Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:

> No, what's interesting is how predictable you two are
> in responding every time I ring Pavlov's little bell.
>
> <snicker>

What colour panties are you wearing today, Paul?

<slaver>

[fu2: bit-bucket]

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My pet rock Gordon just is.

Sn!pe wrote:
>
> William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
>
> > Nadegda wrote:
> > >
> > > Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 20:43:04 +0100, William Stickers wrote:
> > >
> > > > Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 20:25:28 +0200
> > > >> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Am 29.06.2023 um 19:27:41 Uhr schrieb Jerry Friedman:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > To that point though, I would like to ask Ray Banana or Steve Crook
> > > >> > > or Ivo Gondolfo (or any of the others, Jesse Rehmer, Steen Jensen,
> > > >> > > Roman Racine, Benjamin Gufler, etc) what percentage of their traffic
> > > >> > > truly is that spam?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > I suspect it's very low but maybe it's very high for all I know.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It depends on the group.
> > > >> > Political groups in de.* were abused by Mixmin users, technical
> > > >> > weren't.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Given I agree with those that spamming should be blocked at both
> > > >> > > ends, but certainly at our end with reasonable filters so as not to
> > > >> > > feed them, how much of a problem was/is this spamming anyway?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Nobody cares about one or two spam messages, but a group where 20
> > > >> > trollposts came in per day, sometimes crossposted with other groups,
> > > >> > are really, really annoying for people who like to discuss a topic.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > The ONLY people who can respond intelligently, are the named list
> > > >> > > above. If you don't run your own server, you're just guessing wrong.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This is wrong. There are many readers and all of them can access the
> > > >> > posts in a group and read it.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> Is it the real Jerry Friedman you're replying to?
> > > >
> > > > There is a nymshiftng arsehole here who also likes to use
> > > > other people's nyms, so that probably isn't the real
> > > > Jerry Friedman. Isn't that right, Arlen?
> > >
> > > Who is "Arlen", kooky? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.
> >
> > Who is "kooky", Paul? There is nobody in this newsgroup
> > using that alias.
> > ES is a good enough server for you, but not 'Kensi'. And
> > you know why that is, don't you, Paul?
> > Ray Banana can see your IP. Ask him for proof.
>
> It's interesting to see that someone purporting to be "Nadegda"
> sees fit to defend someone who's been accused of being "Arlen".
> Are either of them who we think they are? Pick the bones out of
> that one!
>

Birds of a feather stick together, innit.

Nadegda wrote:
>
> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 20:43:04 +0100, William Stickers wrote:
>
> > Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 20:25:28 +0200
> >> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Am 29.06.2023 um 19:27:41 Uhr schrieb Jerry Friedman:
> >> >
> >> > > To that point though, I would like to ask Ray Banana or Steve Crook
> >> > > or Ivo Gondolfo (or any of the others, Jesse Rehmer, Steen Jensen,
> >> > > Roman Racine, Benjamin Gufler, etc) what percentage of their traffic
> >> > > truly is that spam?
> >> >
> >> > > I suspect it's very low but maybe it's very high for all I know.
> >> >
> >> > It depends on the group.
> >> > Political groups in de.* were abused by Mixmin users, technical weren't.
> >> >
> >> > > Given I agree with those that spamming should be blocked at both
> >> > > ends, but certainly at our end with reasonable filters so as not to
> >> > > feed them, how much of a problem was/is this spamming anyway?
> >> >
> >> > Nobody cares about one or two spam messages, but a group where 20
> >> > trollposts came in per day, sometimes crossposted with other groups,
> >> > are really, really annoying for people who like to discuss a topic.
> >> >
> >> > > The ONLY people who can respond intelligently, are the named list
> >> > > above. If you don't run your own server, you're just guessing wrong.
> >> >
> >> > This is wrong. There are many readers and all of them can access the
> >> > posts in a group and read it.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Is it the real Jerry Friedman you're replying to?
> >
> > There is a nymshiftng arsehole here who also likes to use
> > other people's nyms, so that probably isn't the real
> > Jerry Friedman. Isn't that right, Arlen?
>
> Who is "Arlen", kooky? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

This is Arlen, forging once again
<https://tinyurl.com/29zysbv8> and it shows why he is a
fan of free open newsservers. If Marco sends a complaint
to Solani they will prolly TOS the abusing twat, but he
can get away with it on open servers.

Sn!pe wrote:
>
> Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > No, what's interesting is how predictable you two are
> > in responding every time I ring Pavlov's little bell.
> >
> > <snicker>
>
> What colour panties are you wearing today, Paul?
>
> <slaver>

I hope it's the see through type that makes his fanny
look like a teabag.

<slaver>

William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:

> Sn!pe wrote:
> >
> > Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > No, what's interesting is how predictable you two are
> > > in responding every time I ring Pavlov's little bell.
> > >
> > > <snicker>
> >
> > What colour panties are you wearing today, Paul?
> >
> > <slaver>
>
> I hope it's the see through type that makes his fanny
> look like a teabag.
>
> <slaver>

Steady now, or he'll be in humid gusset mode.

<slaver>

--
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My pet rock Gordon just is.

[ Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ]

On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 20:00:00, in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ? Good Guy ? <Hello.World@example.onion> wrote:
> The main message is in html section of this post but you are not able to read it because you are using an unapproved news-client. Please try these links to amuse youself:

LOL.

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On 01 Jul 2023, William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted
some news:L20oM.88048$5Hs.1957@usenetxs.com:

> Nadegda wrote:
>>
>> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes,
>> melt! On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 20:43:04 +0100, William Stickers wrote:
>>
>> > Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 20:25:28 +0200
>> >> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Am 29.06.2023 um 19:27:41 Uhr schrieb Jerry Friedman:
>> >> >
>> >> > > To that point though, I would like to ask Ray Banana or Steve
>> >> > > Crook or Ivo Gondolfo (or any of the others, Jesse Rehmer,
>> >> > > Steen Jensen, Roman Racine, Benjamin Gufler, etc) what
>> >> > > percentage of their traffic truly is that spam?
>> >> >
>> >> > > I suspect it's very low but maybe it's very high for all I
>> >> > > know.
>> >> >
>> >> > It depends on the group.
>> >> > Political groups in de.* were abused by Mixmin users, technical
>> >> > weren't.
>> >> >
>> >> > > Given I agree with those that spamming should be blocked at
>> >> > > both ends, but certainly at our end with reasonable filters so
>> >> > > as not to feed them, how much of a problem was/is this
>> >> > > spamming anyway?
>> >> >
>> >> > Nobody cares about one or two spam messages, but a group where
>> >> > 20 trollposts came in per day, sometimes crossposted with other
>> >> > groups, are really, really annoying for people who like to
>> >> > discuss a topic.
>> >> >
>> >> > > The ONLY people who can respond intelligently, are the named
>> >> > > list above. If you don't run your own server, you're just
>> >> > > guessing wrong.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is wrong. There are many readers and all of them can access
>> >> > the posts in a group and read it.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Is it the real Jerry Friedman you're replying to?
>> >
>> > There is a nymshiftng arsehole here who also likes to use
>> > other people's nyms, so that probably isn't the real
>> > Jerry Friedman. Isn't that right, Arlen?
>>
>> Who is "Arlen", kooky? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
>> alias.
>
> This is Arlen, forging once again
><https://tinyurl.com/29zysbv8> and it shows why he is a
> fan of free open newsservers. If Marco sends a complaint
> to Solani they will prolly TOS the abusing twat, but he
> can get away with it on open servers.

Solani booted a bunch of us for no reason, some lame excuse that they no
longer serve our region, whatever that meant.

Am 06.07.2023 schrieb dwayne <dwayne@zla.com>:

> Solani booted a bunch of us for no reason, some lame excuse that they
> no longer serve our region, whatever that meant.

Please explain what exactly happened.
Solani blocks spammers and trolls.

Am 01.07.2023 schrieb William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com>:

> This is Arlen, forging once again
> <https://tinyurl.com/29zysbv8> and it shows why he is a
> fan of free open newsservers. If Marco sends a complaint
> to Solani they will prolly TOS the abusing twat, but he
> can get away with it on open servers.

Forging names and mail addresses is abuse and such accounts are luckily
being removed.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 00:37:23 +0900,
Minoru Osaka <minoru.osaka@asahi.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 17:06:35 +0200, Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
>
> >> I don't know how Ivo manages to not require pre registration,
> >> but you've gone the way that Paolo and Alex and others had to
> >> go, unfortunately.
> >>
> >
> > It's easy: I run a very "strong" filter's, that can help me to
> > auto-manage the server. And when an abuser found a bug or
> > something, and I found them (or user's report to me), I adjust
> > them to work prly and continue ;)
> >
> > Actually I'm working to add SSL and an .onion andress to
> > paganini, to help tor and other user's to play better... Stay
> > tuned for update...
>
> Privacy is important in a news server (as Steve Crook knows
> rather well).
>
> Given Steve had to, finally, give up... I appreciate that you
> are literally the last survivor of the privacy breed who have
> been maintaining a privacy based server. None of the others
> afford the privacy that you do, although Steve was the previous
> one and Paolo the penultimate of the stated group.
>
> Even though I never spam, I've hit your filters a few times.
> There are workarounds for each (e.g., don't reply to a thread
> whose newsgroup list is greater than three for one example - or
> remove groups until it is three).
>
> Once in a while I get a badword even though there are no bad
> words. I also get forbidden URLs even though there's seemingly
> nothing wrong.
>
> But that's the price we pay for our privacy - which is an OK
> tradeoff. And, like you said, you respond to users' suggestions
> (as does RetroGuy).

You make good points here, Osaka-san. I especially like the point
that there are tradeoffs between privacy and convenience. Reminds
me of when I first encountered an electronic signature for
checkout at my local hardware store--probably nearly 25 years ago.
Though I used the store regularly, I stopped paying with credit
card. My reasoning was that I did not want to give an implied
consent for them to store my scanned signature in a database.

> Thank you and Steve and Paolo and Alex and Roman and Jesse and
> Steen and Wolfgang and Daniel and Monika and Benjamin and any
> I've missed offhand who provide us, the user, with free news
> servers (only yours of which is still able to be private so
> you're doing a lot of work to keep spammers away).

Yes, my thanks as well to all those who labor to keep ideals of
the interet alive.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 12:15:16 +0000, Ted Heise wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 00:37:23 +0900,
> Minoru Osaka <minoru.osaka@asahi.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 17:06:35 +0200, Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
>>
>> >> I don't know how Ivo manages to not require pre registration,
>> >> but you've gone the way that Paolo and Alex and others had to
>> >> go, unfortunately.
>> >>
>> >
>> > It's easy: I run a very "strong" filter's, that can help me to
>> > auto-manage the server. And when an abuser found a bug or
>> > something, and I found them (or user's report to me), I adjust
>> > them to work prly and continue ;)
>> >
>> > Actually I'm working to add SSL and an .onion andress to
>> > paganini, to help tor and other user's to play better... Stay
>> > tuned for update...
>>
>> Privacy is important in a news server (as Steve Crook knows
>> rather well).
>>
>> Given Steve had to, finally, give up... I appreciate that you
>> are literally the last survivor of the privacy breed who have
>> been maintaining a privacy based server. None of the others
>> afford the privacy that you do, although Steve was the previous
>> one and Paolo the penultimate of the stated group.
>>
>> Even though I never spam, I've hit your filters a few times.
>> There are workarounds for each (e.g., don't reply to a thread
>> whose newsgroup list is greater than three for one example - or
>> remove groups until it is three).
>>
>> Once in a while I get a badword even though there are no bad
>> words. I also get forbidden URLs even though there's seemingly
>> nothing wrong.
>>
>> But that's the price we pay for our privacy - which is an OK
>> tradeoff. And, like you said, you respond to users' suggestions
>> (as does RetroGuy).
>
> You make good points here, Osaka-san. I especially like the point
> that there are tradeoffs between privacy and convenience. Reminds
> me of when I first encountered an electronic signature for
> checkout at my local hardware store--probably nearly 25 years ago.
> Though I used the store regularly, I stopped paying with credit
> card. My reasoning was that I did not want to give an implied
> consent for them to store my scanned signature in a database.

So, their making a paper copy with that handheld "zip-zip" thingy
was fine by you, but an electronic copy was a bridge too far?

No judgment here, just gathering data ...

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 13:03:03 -0000 (UTC),
Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 12:15:16 +0000, Ted Heise wrote:
>

> > ...when I first encountered an electronic signature for
> > checkout at my local hardware store--probably nearly 25 years
> > ago. Though I used the store regularly, I stopped paying with
> > credit card. My reasoning was that I did not want to give an
> > implied consent for them to store my scanned signature in a
> > database.
>
> So, their making a paper copy with that handheld "zip-zip"
> thingy was fine by you, but an electronic copy was a bridge too
> far?
>
> No judgment here, just gathering data ...

No worries. I probably wasn't explicit enough. I figured the
credit companies all had my signature captured anyway, but also
figured that entering it into an electronic capture device gave
them permission (either implicit or explicit, I tend not to read
the fine print) to actually have it stored in their records.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 14:50:11 +0000, Ted Heise wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 13:03:03 -0000 (UTC),
> Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 12:15:16 +0000, Ted Heise wrote:
>>
>> > ...when I first encountered an electronic signature for
>> > checkout at my local hardware store--probably nearly 25 years
>> > ago. Though I used the store regularly, I stopped paying with
>> > credit card. My reasoning was that I did not want to give an
>> > implied consent for them to store my scanned signature in a
>> > database.
>>
>> So, their making a paper copy with that handheld "zip-zip"
>> thingy was fine by you, but an electronic copy was a bridge too
>> far?
>>
>> No judgment here, just gathering data ...
>
> No worries. I probably wasn't explicit enough. I figured the
> credit companies all had my signature captured anyway, but also
> figured that entering it into an electronic capture device gave
> them permission (either implicit or explicit, I tend not to read
> the fine print) to actually have it stored in their records.

I'll bet they did that anyway; that during the era of the zip-zip
machines, the mimeographed copy got stuffed into an envelope with
the rest of the day's business receipts and mailed back to the head
office, where one of the data entry clerks (remember all those want
ads for typists with three-digit WPM typing speeds back then?) would
punch it all into a terminal connected to their mainframe. Then the
internet and scanners and magnetic stripes and chip cards came along
and put all those typists out of work.

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 15:25:50 -0000 (UTC),
Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 14:50:11 +0000, Ted Heise wrote:
> > On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 13:03:03 -0000 (UTC),
> > Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 12:15:16 +0000, Ted Heise wrote:
> >>
> >> > ...when I first encountered an electronic signature for
> >> > checkout at my local hardware store--probably nearly 25
> >> > years ago. Though I used the store regularly, I stopped
> >> > paying with credit card. My reasoning was that I did not
> >> > want to give an implied consent for them to store my
> >> > scanned signature in a database.
> >>
> >> So, their making a paper copy with that handheld "zip-zip"
> >> thingy was fine by you, but an electronic copy was a bridge
> >> too far?
> >>
> >> No judgment here, just gathering data ...
> >
> > No worries. I probably wasn't explicit enough. I figured the
> > credit companies all had my signature captured anyway, but
> > also figured that entering it into an electronic capture
> > device gave them permission (either implicit or explicit, I
> > tend not to read the fine print) to actually have it stored in
> > their records.
>
> I'll bet they did that anyway; that during the era of the
> zip-zip machines, the mimeographed copy got stuffed into an
> envelope with the rest of the day's business receipts and
> mailed back to the head office, where one of the data entry
> clerks (remember all those want ads for typists with
> three-digit WPM typing speeds back then?) would punch it all
> into a terminal connected to their mainframe. Then the internet
> and scanners and magnetic stripes and chip cards came along and
> put all those typists out of work.

Oh, I agree, and that's essentially what I was implying. My point
was that using the signature device provided objective endorsement
(so to speak :) that they would legitimately have my signature in
such a format.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA