Hello!

If anybody is wondering why Mixmin isn't accessible anymore:
The host Hetzner shut it down because it has been abused by spammers,
especially in the hierarchy de.*.

The operator didn't do something against it and didn't answer to abuse
mails.

Hetzner first just blocked IPv6 port 119 and 563 incoming.
Now they blocked IPv4 and IPv6 completely for the IP addresses, so
all Mixmin services cannot be used.

Please see Follow-Up!

--
kind regards
Marco

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 21:16:33 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 21:16:33 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:

> Hetzner first just blocked IPv6 port 119 and 563 incoming.
> Now they blocked IPv4 and IPv6 completely for the IP addresses, so
> all Mixmin services cannot be used.
>
> Please see Follow-Up!

Restore it to normal immediately.

Or else.

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

Nadegda wrote:
>
> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 21:16:33 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 21:16:33 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:
>
> > Hetzner first just blocked IPv6 port 119 and 563 incoming.
> > Now they blocked IPv4 and IPv6 completely for the IP addresses, so
> > all Mixmin services cannot be used.
> >
> > Please see Follow-Up!
>
> Restore it to normal immediately.
>
> Or else.

Paul Derbyshire demands that you FIX IT NOW.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Am 23.06.2023 schrieb Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>:

> Restore it to normal immediately.

This can only be done by Hetzner, but I don't think they will do it
until posting without authentication is disabled.

Marco Moock wrote:
>
> Am 23.06.2023 schrieb Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>:
>
> > Restore it to normal immediately.
>
> This can only be done by Hetzner, but I don't think they will do it
> until posting without authentication is disabled.

The dork behind the sock you replied to demands that it
is fixed. Doesn't matter that Steve Crook can't do it, he
still demands it. That's what he does.

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:50:09 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:

> Am 23.06.2023 schrieb Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>:
>
>> Restore it to normal immediately.
>
> This can only be done by Hetzner, but I don't think they will do it
> until posting without authentication is disabled.

Unacceptable.

For months now, you and several others have participated in an orchestrated
campaign to shut off kensi's access to Usenet, despite the fact that she
has done nothing to warrant this. Your actions are morally wrong and you
must undo whatever you did. If you will not do so otherwise, then kensi and
I will pursue every available legal avenue to force you and your co-
conspirators to do so, including this "Hetzner", which neither of us had
even heard of, let alone interacted with, and which therefore would have no
quarrel with kensi unless one or more of you influenced them.

A further moral wrong arising from your actions is that free access to
Usenet, and thus access by any person who doesn't have access to Western
banking and credit cards, is now apparently a monopoly under the control of
Ray Banana, and while I have not had any problem with him or his
administration of E-S, I *do* have a problem with anyone, however
apparently benevolent, being vested with so much power. Power corrupts.

More generally, diversity is preferable to a monoculture, but you and your
co-conspirators have been whittling away at the diversity of free usenet
servers until there are virtually none left. One of you (Sn!pe) has accused
both me and kensi at various times of "destroying" this newsgroup (whilst
their trollish behavior, paranoid rants, and thread derailments did far
more damage than anything either of us ever could have managed), but the
greatest threat to this newsgroup is that its subject matter is an
endangered species brought to the brink of extinction by ... you.

I hereby charge you with the obligation of reversing the damage that you
have done over the past few months. In particular, you are to restore both
mixmin *and* AIOE to normal, and once you have done so you are to post a
public apology in this very newsgroup for your attempts to destroy this
newsgroup's subject matter. After that, you are to function as normal,
ordinary usenet kooks, not supervillains, taking your various spanks as
you earn them and ceasing to take money from the fossil fuel industry to
silence kensi.

Failure to comply is ... not recommended.

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

Am 23.06.2023 um 16:45:09 Uhr schrieb Nadegda:

> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes,
> melt! On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:50:09 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:
>
> > Am 23.06.2023 schrieb Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>:
> >
> >> Restore it to normal immediately.
> >
> > This can only be done by Hetzner, but I don't think they will do it
> > until posting without authentication is disabled.
>
> Unacceptable.
>
> For months now, you and several others have participated in an
> orchestrated campaign to shut off kensi's access to Usenet, despite
> the fact that she has done nothing to warrant this.

I don't know her and the reason was trolling in the German de.*
hierarchy.

> Your actions are morally wrong and you must undo whatever you did.

I didn't block Mixmin, it was blocked by the server provider Hetzner in
Germany.

> If you will not do so otherwise, then kensi and I will pursue every
> available legal avenue to force you and your co- conspirators to do
> so, including this "Hetzner", which neither of us had even heard of,
> let alone interacted with, and which therefore would have no quarrel
> with kensi unless one or more of you influenced them.

The contact the Hetzner company in Germany. They were running the
machine Mixmin was running on.

> A further moral wrong arising from your actions is that free access to
> Usenet, and thus access by any person who doesn't have access to
> Western banking and credit cards, is now apparently a monopoly under
> the control of Ray Banana, and while I have not had any problem with
> him or his administration of E-S, I *do* have a problem with anyone,
> however apparently benevolent, being vested with so much power. Power
> corrupts.

There are other free usenet servers available, e.g. solani.org,
szaf.org, nntp4.net and others. Feel free to use them.

> More generally, diversity is preferable to a monoculture, but you and
> your co-conspirators have been whittling away at the diversity of
> free usenet servers until there are virtually none left.

Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.

> I hereby charge you with the obligation of reversing the damage that
> you have done over the past few months. In particular, you are to
> restore both mixmin *and* AIOE to normal, and once you have done so
> you are to post a public apology in this very newsgroup for your
> attempts to destroy this newsgroup's subject matter.

According to the rumor mill, the disk at aioe failed. After that the
information occured that the operator is seriously ill. We haven't hear
from him for months.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 12:45:11 PM UTC-4, Nadegda wrote:
> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:50:09 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:
>
> > Am 23.06.2023 schrieb Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>:
> >
> >> Restore it to normal immediately.
> >
> > This can only be done by Hetzner, but I don't think they will do it
> > until posting without authentication is disabled.
> Unacceptable.
>
> For months now, you and several others have participated in an orchestrated
> campaign to shut off kensi's access to Usenet, despite the fact that she
> has done nothing to warrant this. Your actions are morally wrong and you
> must undo whatever you did. If you will not do so otherwise, then kensi and
> I will pursue every available legal avenue to force you and your co-
> conspirators to do so, including this "Hetzner", which neither of us had
> even heard of, let alone interacted with, and which therefore would have no
> quarrel with kensi unless one or more of you influenced them.
>
> A further moral wrong arising from your actions is that free access to
> Usenet, and thus access by any person who doesn't have access to Western
> banking and credit cards, is now apparently a monopoly under the control of
> Ray Banana, and while I have not had any problem with him or his
> administration of E-S, I *do* have a problem with anyone, however
> apparently benevolent, being vested with so much power. Power corrupts.
>
> More generally, diversity is preferable to a monoculture, but you and your
> co-conspirators have been whittling away at the diversity of free usenet
> servers until there are virtually none left. One of you (Sn!pe) has accused
> both me and kensi at various times of "destroying" this newsgroup (whilst
> their trollish behavior, paranoid rants, and thread derailments did far
> more damage than anything either of us ever could have managed), but the
> greatest threat to this newsgroup is that its subject matter is an
> endangered species brought to the brink of extinction by ... you.
>
> I hereby charge you with the obligation of reversing the damage that you
> have done over the past few months. In particular, you are to restore both
> mixmin *and* AIOE to normal, and once you have done so you are to post a
> public apology in this very newsgroup for your attempts to destroy this
> newsgroup's subject matter. After that, you are to function as normal,
> ordinary usenet kooks, not supervillains, taking your various spanks as
> you earn them and ceasing to take money from the fossil fuel industry to
> silence kensi.
>
> Failure to comply is ... not recommended.
> --
> FNVWe Nadegda
>
> "By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
> you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
> Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
> bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

I have to agree with Nadegda here. The proper process for debating and implementing a UDP was not followed. Instead some dickhead with an axe to grind acted unilaterally. If entire Usenet servers can now be subjected to a heckler's veto then it isn't Usenet anymore.

I think you should restore both of the servers named and then submit proposals through the proper channels to have them UDP'd. And then accept it when you lose.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-4, Marco Moock wrote:
> I don't know her and the reason was trolling in the German de.*
> hierarchy.

Trolling is not a valid reason for a UDP. Only permitting spam is.

> I didn't block Mixmin, it was blocked by the server provider Hetzner in
> Germany.

At, apparently, your behest, or that of a group consisting of you, Stickers, Snipe, and Kerman who have decided *unilaterally* to forbid no-registration usenet servers from operating. Four people attempting to impose their authoritarian vision on the entire populace, unasked-for. That is about as hostile to the spirit of Usenet as I can conceive.

> Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.

a) Do you have any proof of that? (Remember, "abuse" and "someone did something I personally don't like" are *not* synonymous.)
b) Unless it constituted spamming, with the tacit or explicit support of the server operator, it is still not valid grounds for a UDP.

> According to the rumor mill, the disk at aioe failed. After that the
> information occured that the operator is seriously ill. We haven't hear
> from him for months.

So, we're to believe that the deaths, one by one, of every no-registration free server over the past few months, after they'd been fixtures of the net for *decades*, is just coincidence and not a systematic assassination campaign?

Methinks you forgot that a key ingredient in plausible deniability is, well, *plausibility*.

Twisted One <twisted0n3@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 12:45:11?PM UTC-4, Nadegda wrote:
> > Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> > On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:50:09 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:
> >
> > > Am 23.06.2023 schrieb Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>:
> > >
> > >> Restore it to normal immediately.
> > >
> > > This can only be done by Hetzner, but I don't think they will do it
> > > until posting without authentication is disabled.
> > Unacceptable.
> >
> > For months now, you and several others have participated in an orchestrated
> > campaign to shut off kensi's access to Usenet, despite the fact that she
> > has done nothing to warrant this. Your actions are morally wrong and you
> > must undo whatever you did. If you will not do so otherwise, then kensi and
> > I will pursue every available legal avenue to force you and your co-
> > conspirators to do so, including this "Hetzner", which neither of us had
> > even heard of, let alone interacted with, and which therefore would have no
> > quarrel with kensi unless one or more of you influenced them.
> >
> > A further moral wrong arising from your actions is that free access to
> > Usenet, and thus access by any person who doesn't have access to Western
> > banking and credit cards, is now apparently a monopoly under the control of
> > Ray Banana, and while I have not had any problem with him or his
> > administration of E-S, I *do* have a problem with anyone, however
> > apparently benevolent, being vested with so much power. Power corrupts.
> >
> > More generally, diversity is preferable to a monoculture, but you and your
> > co-conspirators have been whittling away at the diversity of free usenet
> > servers until there are virtually none left. One of you (Sn!pe) has accused
> > both me and kensi at various times of "destroying" this newsgroup (whilst
> > their trollish behavior, paranoid rants, and thread derailments did far
> > more damage than anything either of us ever could have managed), but the
> > greatest threat to this newsgroup is that its subject matter is an
> > endangered species brought to the brink of extinction by ... you.
> >
> > I hereby charge you with the obligation of reversing the damage that you
> > have done over the past few months. In particular, you are to restore both
> > mixmin *and* AIOE to normal, and once you have done so you are to post a
> > public apology in this very newsgroup for your attempts to destroy this
> > newsgroup's subject matter. After that, you are to function as normal,
> > ordinary usenet kooks, not supervillains, taking your various spanks as
> > you earn them and ceasing to take money from the fossil fuel industry to
> > silence kensi.
> >
> > Failure to comply is ... not recommended.
> > --
> > FNVWe Nadegda
> >
> > "By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
> > you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
> > Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
> > bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>
>
> I have to agree with Nadegda here. The proper process for debating and
>implementing a UDP was not followed. Instead some dickhead with an axe
>to grind acted unilaterally. If entire Usenet servers can now be
>subjected to a heckler's veto then it isn't Usenet anymore.
>
> I think you should restore both of the servers named and then submit
>proposals through the proper channels to have them UDP'd. And then
>accept it when you lose.
>

Hi, Paul, how's yer belly off for spots? <BFG>

--
^Ï^. – Sn!pe – <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

My pet rock Gordon just is.

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 20:48:57 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:

> Am 23.06.2023 um 16:45:09 Uhr schrieb Nadegda:
>
>> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes,
>> melt! On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:50:09 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:
>>
>> > Am 23.06.2023 schrieb Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>:
>> >
>> >> Restore it to normal immediately.
>> >
>> > This can only be done by Hetzner, but I don't think they will do it
>> > until posting without authentication is disabled.
>>
>> Unacceptable.
>>
>> For months now, you and several others have participated in an
>> orchestrated campaign to shut off kensi's access to Usenet, despite
>> the fact that she has done nothing to warrant this.
>
> I don't know her and the reason was trolling in the German de.*
> hierarchy.

Sure, sure, it's just *coincidence* that you and your little cabal have
systematically eradicated every server she's ever posted through.

>> Your actions are morally wrong and you must undo whatever you did.
>
> I didn't block Mixmin, it was blocked by the server provider Hetzner in
> Germany.

It's amazing how fast you flip-flopped from gloating about it to denying
having had anything to do with it. With mental gymnastics skills like
those you could probably make a career of it. Fox "News" is probably
hiring -- they'll need a replacement for Fucker Carlson. I've a sneaking
suspicion you'd fit right in there.

<snicker>

> There are other free usenet servers available, e.g. solani.org,
> szaf.org, nntp4.net and others. Feel free to use them.

I'm happy with E-S. I assume kensi has good reasons for not using those
(possibly including some of them being read-only).

>> More generally, diversity is preferable to a monoculture, but you and
>> your co-conspirators have been whittling away at the diversity of
>> free usenet servers until there are virtually none left.
>
> Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.

So you claim. Please supply proof that it was a source of abuse OF the
net (not just abuse ON the net) or retract your accusations, Mr. Koock.
(That would include sending a letter to this Hetzner entity withdrawing
your prior complaints to them, on behalf of yourself *and* all of your
co-conspirators.)

>> I hereby charge you with the obligation of reversing the damage that
>> you have done over the past few months. In particular, you are to
>> restore both mixmin *and* AIOE to normal, and once you have done so
>> you are to post a public apology in this very newsgroup for your
>> attempts to destroy this newsgroup's subject matter.
>
> According to the rumor mill,

A reliable source if ever there was one.

On second thought I don't think you'd do so well at Fox. Your plausible
deniability skills still need serious work.

<snicker>

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:57:06 -0700, Twisted One wrote:

> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-4, Marco Moock wrote:
>> I don't know her and the reason was trolling in the German de.*
>> hierarchy.
>
> Trolling is not a valid reason for a UDP. Only permitting spam is.
>
>> I didn't block Mixmin, it was blocked by the server provider Hetzner in
>> Germany.
>
> At, apparently, your behest, or that of a group consisting of you,
> Stickers, Snipe, and Kerman who have decided *unilaterally* to forbid
> no-registration usenet servers from operating. Four people attempting to
> impose their authoritarian vision on the entire populace, unasked-for.

Five. I think Jen Dershmender is in on it as well, sad to say.

> That is about as hostile to the spirit of Usenet as I can conceive.

Oh, I don't know, I think *one* person imposing an authoritarian vision on
all of Usenet would be even more so. :/

>> Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
>
> a) Do you have any proof of that? (Remember, "abuse" and "someone did
> something I personally don't like" are *not* synonymous.)
> b) Unless it constituted spamming, with the tacit or explicit support of
> the server operator, it is still not valid grounds for a UDP.

Point: Twisted One. Also, the procedure for deciding and, if agreed, imposing
a UDP was not followed. Which makes Kerman's involvement in this whole affair
rather hypocritical on his part, given how much of a stickler he usually is
for the following of proper Usenet procedures in such matters.

>> According to the rumor mill, the disk at aioe failed. After that the
>> information occured that the operator is seriously ill. We haven't hear
>> from him for months.
>
> So, we're to believe that the deaths, one by one, of every no-registration
> free server over the past few months, after they'd been fixtures of the net
> for *decades*, is just coincidence and not a systematic assassination
> campaign?
>
> Methinks you forgot that a key ingredient in plausible deniability is,
> well, *plausibility*.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

SPANKY-SPANKY! on Koock and friends.

And now that they have been thoroughly spanked, they have 48 hours to get
at least one of the servers they've attacked restored to normal operation,
or dire consequences will ensue. I won't even need to do more than sit on
the sidelines munching popcorn, because if they want a war, kensi will give
them a war!

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

Nadegda wrote:
>
> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:57:06 -0700, Twisted One wrote:
>
> > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-4, Marco Moock wrote:
> >> I don't know her and the reason was trolling in the German de.*
> >> hierarchy.
> >
> > Trolling is not a valid reason for a UDP. Only permitting spam is.
> >
> >> I didn't block Mixmin, it was blocked by the server provider Hetzner in
> >> Germany.
> >
> > At, apparently, your behest, or that of a group consisting of you,
> > Stickers, Snipe, and Kerman who have decided *unilaterally* to forbid
> > no-registration usenet servers from operating. Four people attempting to
> > impose their authoritarian vision on the entire populace, unasked-for.
>
> Five. I think Jen Dershmender is in on it as well, sad to say.
>
> > That is about as hostile to the spirit of Usenet as I can conceive.
>
> Oh, I don't know, I think *one* person imposing an authoritarian vision on
> all of Usenet would be even more so. :/
>
> >> Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
> >
> > a) Do you have any proof of that? (Remember, "abuse" and "someone did
> > something I personally don't like" are *not* synonymous.)
> > b) Unless it constituted spamming, with the tacit or explicit support of
> > the server operator, it is still not valid grounds for a UDP.
>
> Point: Twisted One. Also, the procedure for deciding and, if agreed, imposing
> a UDP was not followed. Which makes Kerman's involvement in this whole affair
> rather hypocritical on his part, given how much of a stickler he usually is
> for the following of proper Usenet procedures in such matters.
>
> >> According to the rumor mill, the disk at aioe failed. After that the
> >> information occured that the operator is seriously ill. We haven't hear
> >> from him for months.
> >
> > So, we're to believe that the deaths, one by one, of every no-registration
> > free server over the past few months, after they'd been fixtures of the net
> > for *decades*, is just coincidence and not a systematic assassination
> > campaign?
> >
> > Methinks you forgot that a key ingredient in plausible deniability is,
> > well, *plausibility*.
>
> Couldn't have said it better myself.
>
> SPANKY-SPANKY! on Koock and friends.
>
> And now that they have been thoroughly spanked, they have 48 hours to get
> at least one of the servers they've attacked restored to normal operation,
> or dire consequences will ensue. I won't even need to do more than sit on
> the sidelines munching popcorn, because if they want a war, kensi will give
> them a war!

I just lurve watching an autistic meltdown :-)

More, please.

Am 23.06.2023 um 11:57:06 Uhr schrieb Twisted One:

> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-4, Marco Moock wrote:
> > I don't know her and the reason was trolling in the German de.*
> > hierarchy.
>
> Trolling is not a valid reason for a UDP. Only permitting spam is.

Excessive trolling, including mail and name forgeries in certain
newsgroups, is spam and abusive.

> > I didn't block Mixmin, it was blocked by the server provider
> > Hetzner in Germany.
>
> At, apparently, your behest, or that of a group consisting of you,
> Stickers, Snipe, and Kerman who have decided *unilaterally* to forbid
> no-registration usenet servers from operating. Four people attempting
> to impose their authoritarian vision on the entire populace,
> unasked-for. That is about as hostile to the spirit of Usenet as I
> can conceive.

It is what Hetzner did. They can read all the messages that came from
Mixmin to get an idea of what happened.
Just look at de.talk.tagesgeschehen and look at the many posts by
forged From: addresses and names, mostly just to annoy people. Often
these posts were crossposted to other groups where they were off-topic.

The operators of Mixmin (Steven Crook) didn't care about it, so the VPS
hoster blocked access to it with the firewall.

> > Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
>
> a) Do you have any proof of that? (Remember, "abuse" and "someone did
> something I personally don't like" are *not* synonymous.) b) Unless
> it constituted spamming, with the tacit or explicit support of the
> server operator, it is still not valid grounds for a UDP.

It spreaded spam, because mail and name forgeries and bullshit content
are mostly considered spam.

> > According to the rumor mill, the disk at aioe failed. After that
> > the information occured that the operator is seriously ill. We
> > haven't hear from him for months.
>
> So, we're to believe that the deaths, one by one, of every
> no-registration free server over the past few months, after they'd
> been fixtures of the net for *decades*, is just coincidence and not a
> systematic assassination campaign?

You can try to contact Paolo (IIRC with was the name of the aioe
operator). But many people tried - no answer.

Am 23.06.2023 um 11:49:05 Uhr schrieb Twisted One:

> I have to agree with Nadegda here. The proper process for debating
> and implementing a UDP was not followed. Instead some dickhead with
> an axe to grind acted unilaterally. If entire Usenet servers can now
> be subjected to a heckler's veto then it isn't Usenet anymore.

It was Hetzner (the VPS operator) that closed it. So ask them.
Just writing an abuse message isn't enough. They also ask the person
who rents the VPS, IIRC.

> I think you should restore both of the servers named and then submit
> proposals through the proper channels to have them UDP'd. And then
> accept it when you lose.

I cannot restore them. I don't run them, I don't have access to the
administration interface interface like SSH.

Am 23.06.2023 um 19:13:29 Uhr schrieb Nadegda:

> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes,
> melt! On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 20:48:57 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:
>
> > Am 23.06.2023 um 16:45:09 Uhr schrieb Nadegda:

> It's amazing how fast you flip-flopped from gloating about it to
> denying having had anything to do with it.

I contacted Hetzner - nothing else. They decided to block it.

> > Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
>
> So you claim. Please supply proof that it was a source of abuse OF the
> net (not just abuse ON the net) or retract your accusations, Mr.
> Koock. (That would include sending a letter to this Hetzner entity
> withdrawing your prior complaints to them, on behalf of yourself
> *and* all of your co-conspirators.)

You can use http://al.howardknight.net/ to view these messages:

Message-ID: <u6usap$oal8$3@news.mixmin.net>
Message-ID: <u6usqe$odv2$1@news.mixmin.net>
Message-ID: <u6t0qp$frui$2@news.mixmin.net>
Message-ID: <u6t01f$fn2m$6@news.mixmin.net>
Message-ID: <u6svg2$fn2m$2@news.mixmin.net>
Message-ID: <u6s362$bp05$1@news.mixmin.net>
Message-ID: <u6svv9$fjig$2@news.mixmin.net>

Just look at the Form header. Such posts appeared for years from that
server.

> >> I hereby charge you with the obligation of reversing the damage
> >> that you have done over the past few months. In particular, you
> >> are to restore both mixmin *and* AIOE to normal, and once you have
> >> done so you are to post a public apology in this very newsgroup
> >> for your attempts to destroy this newsgroup's subject matter.
> >
> > According to the rumor mill,
>
> A reliable source if ever there was one.

Message-ID: <u1pm6i$6mq8$2@dont-email.me>

m@ryz:~$ ping news.aioe.org
PING news.aioe.org (46.165.242.91) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 212.95.37.27 (212.95.37.27) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable

And no posts from him in aioe.*. I assume he at least cannot use
internet anymore.

Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:50:09 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:
>>Am 23.06.2023 schrieb Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>:

>>>Restore it to normal immediately.
>>This can only be done by Hetzner, but I don't think they will do it
>>until posting without authentication is disabled.

>Unacceptable.

Can't you create a sockpuppet capable of running a News server, Paul?

>For months now, you and several others have participated in an orchestrated
>campaign to shut off kensi's access to Usenet, despite the fact that she
>has done nothing to warrant this.

That's simply untrue. kensi stink, and stinks bad. All of your
sockpuppets stink, Paul. No one wants them on Usenet for the smell.

Do you need help with detergent, or can you afford it? Do you need
quarters for the laundry machine? Just ask. We all care about you. We
are here to help.

No one wants you to have filthy, unwashed, unlaundered, holely
sockpuppets, Paul.

>Your actions are morally wrong and you must undo whatever you did.

Don't worry about Marco. I'm offering detergent. I will help you, Paul.
I promise.

>If you will not do so otherwise, then kensi and I will pursue every
>available legal avenue to force you and your co- conspirators to do so,
>including this "Hetzner", which neither of us had even heard of, let
>alone interacted with, and which therefore would have no quarrel with
>kensi unless one or more of you influenced them.

Now now, Paul. No judge will let you into court with filthy, unwashed,
holey sockpuppets. Let me help you with your laundry, Paul. I realize
you just can't afford it.

>A further moral wrong arising from your actions is that free access to
>Usenet, and thus access by any person who doesn't have access to Western
>banking and credit cards, is now apparently a monopoly under the control of
>Ray Banana, and while I have not had any problem with him or his
>administration of E-S, I *do* have a problem with anyone, however
>apparently benevolent, being vested with so much power. Power corrupts.

You aren't a person. Neither is kensi. This would be why you don't have
a credit card. No credit cards for sockpuppets. The holes are so big it
would be impossible to retain them anyway.

>More generally, diversity is preferable to a monoculture, but you and your
>co-conspirators have been whittling away at the diversity of free usenet
>servers until there are virtually none left.

There's no diversity in sockpuppet creation, Paul. It's all you.

>One of you (Sn!pe) has accused both me and kensi at various times of
>"destroying" this newsgroup (whilst their trollish behavior, paranoid
>rants, and thread derailments did far more damage than anything either
>of us ever could have managed), but the greatest threat to this newsgroup
>is that its subject matter is an endangered species brought to the brink
>of extinction by ... you.

At no point has Sn!pe ever accused you of being human. Now you are just
flat out lying.

>I hereby charge you with the obligation of reversing the damage that you
>have done over the past few months. In particular, you are to restore both
>mixmin *and* AIOE to normal, and once you have done so you are to post a
>public apology in this very newsgroup for your attempts to destroy this
>newsgroup's subject matter. After that, you are to function as normal,
>ordinary usenet kooks, not supervillains, taking your various spanks as
>you earn them and ceasing to take money from the fossil fuel industry to
>silence kensi.

>Failure to comply is ... not recommended.

I charge you with being unwashed and stinky. Failure to wash is not
recommended.

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 22:08:06 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:

> It spreaded spam, because mail and name forgeries and bullshit content
> are mostly considered spam.

No, a Breidbart Index over 20 is considered spam.

You still seem to have severe deficits in your understanding of Usenet.
You are singularly unqualified to have the degree of influence over its
operations that you evidently have managed to dishonestly acquire.

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 22:23:45 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:

> Am 23.06.2023 um 19:13:29 Uhr schrieb Nadegda:
>
>> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes,
>> melt! On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 20:48:57 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:
>>
>> > Am 23.06.2023 um 16:45:09 Uhr schrieb Nadegda:
>
>> It's amazing how fast you flip-flopped from gloating about it to
>> denying having had anything to do with it.
>
> I contacted Hetzner

Confession recorded.

Now contact them again and retract your complaint, as kensi has work
to do and your recent shenanigans are wrongfully obstructing her from
doing it.

>> > Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
>>
>> So you claim. Please supply proof that it was a source of abuse OF the
>> net (not just abuse ON the net) or retract your accusations, Mr.
>> Koock. (That would include sending a letter to this Hetzner entity
>> withdrawing your prior complaints to them, on behalf of yourself
>> *and* all of your co-conspirators.)
>
> You can use http://al.howardknight.net/ to view these messages:
>
> Message-ID: <u6usap$oal8$3@news.mixmin.net>
> Message-ID: <u6usqe$odv2$1@news.mixmin.net>
> Message-ID: <u6t0qp$frui$2@news.mixmin.net>
> Message-ID: <u6t01f$fn2m$6@news.mixmin.net>
> Message-ID: <u6svg2$fn2m$2@news.mixmin.net>
> Message-ID: <u6s362$bp05$1@news.mixmin.net>
> Message-ID: <u6svv9$fjig$2@news.mixmin.net>

All I see here is abuse ON the net. And nothing even approaching a BI of
20.

> Just look at the Form header. Such posts appeared for years from that
> server.

How fascinating. Some usenet posters are trolls. What a groundbreaking
discovery you have made.

But also clearly just an excuse and not the actual *reason* or you
would have launched this attack years ago. These posts weren't the
real reason for this; kensi was. Other people (probably paid shills of
Big Oil) have had a bee in their bonnet for years about kensi, and it
seems they recruited you to find some way to get the servers she uses
shut down.

I hope they paid you well. It would be a shame if you only got a pittance
in return for enduring what you are soon to endure at the hands of kensi.
(For reference, look up what happened to other people who unwisely decided
to tangle with her in the past. People like Fred Hall, AB, murphy, K-man,
Aratzio, and oh, so many more usenetters who, to the last one, are no
longer with us. Most of them lost their net access ... permanently. Many
were driven mad. Basket weaving is murphy's primary hobby now, whereas it
was morphing and harassment before he had the misfortune to try his shit
on kensi.)

> And no posts from him in aioe.*. I assume he at least cannot use
> internet anymore.

Frankly unbelievable, in this day and age, unless he's been kidnapped and
is being held incommunicado. In which case kensi will be the least of your
problems. Interpol will make kensi's wrath seem like a nice sunny day by
comparison.

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

On Jun 23, 2023 at 5:18:39 PM CDT, "Nadegda" <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:

>
>>>> Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
>>>
>>> So you claim. Please supply proof that it was a source of abuse OF the
>>> net (not just abuse ON the net) or retract your accusations, Mr.
>>> Koock. (That would include sending a letter to this Hetzner entity
>>> withdrawing your prior complaints to them, on behalf of yourself
>>> *and* all of your co-conspirators.)
>>
>> You can use http://al.howardknight.net/ to view these messages:
>>
>> Message-ID: <u6usap$oal8$3@news.mixmin.net>
>> Message-ID: <u6usqe$odv2$1@news.mixmin.net>
>> Message-ID: <u6t0qp$frui$2@news.mixmin.net>
>> Message-ID: <u6t01f$fn2m$6@news.mixmin.net>
>> Message-ID: <u6svg2$fn2m$2@news.mixmin.net>
>> Message-ID: <u6s362$bp05$1@news.mixmin.net>
>> Message-ID: <u6svv9$fjig$2@news.mixmin.net>
>
> All I see here is abuse ON the net. And nothing even approaching a BI of
> 20.

There have been several occasions in the past few months where millions of
identical messages were posted from news.mixmin.net in less than 24-hours.
Does that reach your bullshit threshold?

Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 22:08:06 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:

>>It spreaded spam, because mail and name forgeries and bullshit content
>>are mostly considered spam.

>No, a Breidbart Index over 20 is considered spam.

cancellable spam, you blithering idiot, Paul

>You still seem to have severe deficits in your understanding of Usenet.
>You are singularly unqualified to have the degree of influence over its
>operations that you evidently have managed to dishonestly acquire.

Has anyone ever agreed with you, Paul?

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 23:25:13 +0000, Jesse Rehmer wrote:

> On Jun 23, 2023 at 5:18:39 PM CDT, "Nadegda" <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
>>>>
>>>> So you claim. Please supply proof that it was a source of abuse OF the
>>>> net (not just abuse ON the net) or retract your accusations, Mr.
>>>> Koock. (That would include sending a letter to this Hetzner entity
>>>> withdrawing your prior complaints to them, on behalf of yourself
>>>> *and* all of your co-conspirators.)
>>>
>>> You can use http://al.howardknight.net/ to view these messages:
>>>
>>> Message-ID: <u6usap$oal8$3@news.mixmin.net>
>>> Message-ID: <u6usqe$odv2$1@news.mixmin.net>
>>> Message-ID: <u6t0qp$frui$2@news.mixmin.net>
>>> Message-ID: <u6t01f$fn2m$6@news.mixmin.net>
>>> Message-ID: <u6svg2$fn2m$2@news.mixmin.net>
>>> Message-ID: <u6s362$bp05$1@news.mixmin.net>
>>> Message-ID: <u6svv9$fjig$2@news.mixmin.net>
>>
>> All I see here is abuse ON the net. And nothing even approaching a BI of
>> 20.
>
> There have been several occasions in the past few months where millions of
> identical messages were posted from news.mixmin.net in less than 24-hours.

Proof, kook?

Even so, unless you can prove that this alleged spam came from kensi, it
doesn't constitute grounds for revoking kensi's usenet access.

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote in
news:u75c3b$3m66m$10@dont-email.me:

> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 23:25:13 +0000, Jesse Rehmer wrote:
>
>> On Jun 23, 2023 at 5:18:39 PM CDT, "Nadegda"
>> <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you claim. Please supply proof that it was a source of abuse OF
>>>>> the net (not just abuse ON the net) or retract your accusations,
>>>>> Mr. Koock. (That would include sending a letter to this Hetzner
>>>>> entity withdrawing your prior complaints to them, on behalf of
>>>>> yourself *and* all of your co-conspirators.)
>>>>
>>>> You can use http://al.howardknight.net/ to view these messages:
>>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <u6usap$oal8$3@news.mixmin.net>
>>>> Message-ID: <u6usqe$odv2$1@news.mixmin.net>
>>>> Message-ID: <u6t0qp$frui$2@news.mixmin.net>
>>>> Message-ID: <u6t01f$fn2m$6@news.mixmin.net>
>>>> Message-ID: <u6svg2$fn2m$2@news.mixmin.net>
>>>> Message-ID: <u6s362$bp05$1@news.mixmin.net>
>>>> Message-ID: <u6svv9$fjig$2@news.mixmin.net>
>>>
>>> All I see here is abuse ON the net. And nothing even approaching a
>>> BI of 20.
>>
>> There have been several occasions in the past few months where
>> millions of identical messages were posted from news.mixmin.net in
>> less than 24-hours.
>
> Proof, kook?
>
> Even so, unless you can prove that this alleged spam came from kensi,
> it doesn't constitute grounds for revoking kensi's usenet access.

Anything from kensi with climate, global, warming, or truthout is spam.

Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:

> Poof kookie?

arse biscuit! <https://youtu.be/mzgT-fg01vY>

[fu2: bit-bucket]

--
\|/
(((Ï))) – Mr Ön!on
When we shake the ketchup bottle
First none comes and then a lot'll.

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 01:13:30 +0000, alf wrote:

> Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote in
> news:u75c3b$3m66m$10@dont-email.me:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 23:25:13 +0000, Jesse Rehmer wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2023 at 5:18:39 PM CDT, "Nadegda"
>>> <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you claim. Please supply proof that it was a source of abuse OF
>>>>>> the net (not just abuse ON the net) or retract your accusations,
>>>>>> Mr. Koock. (That would include sending a letter to this Hetzner
>>>>>> entity withdrawing your prior complaints to them, on behalf of
>>>>>> yourself *and* all of your co-conspirators.)
>>>>>
>>>>> You can use http://al.howardknight.net/ to view these messages:
>>>>>
>>>>> Message-ID: <u6usap$oal8$3@news.mixmin.net>
>>>>> Message-ID: <u6usqe$odv2$1@news.mixmin.net>
>>>>> Message-ID: <u6t0qp$frui$2@news.mixmin.net>
>>>>> Message-ID: <u6t01f$fn2m$6@news.mixmin.net>
>>>>> Message-ID: <u6svg2$fn2m$2@news.mixmin.net>
>>>>> Message-ID: <u6s362$bp05$1@news.mixmin.net>
>>>>> Message-ID: <u6svv9$fjig$2@news.mixmin.net>
>>>>
>>>> All I see here is abuse ON the net. And nothing even approaching a
>>>> BI of 20.
>>>
>>> There have been several occasions in the past few months where
>>> millions of identical messages were posted from news.mixmin.net in
>>> less than 24-hours.
>>
>> Proof, kook?
>>
>> Even so, unless you can prove that this alleged spam came from kensi,
>> it doesn't constitute grounds for revoking kensi's usenet access.
>
> Anything from kensi with climate, global, warming, or truthout is spam.

You know, people like you should be required to wear the logos of your
sponsors, kinda like NASCAR drivers. Which logo would you be wearing?
Shell? Exxon? BP?

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>