Am 27.06.2023 um 07:52:42 Uhr schrieb Nadegda:

> That would easily be addressed by limiting the number of distinct from
> emails from a single IP within a certain time interval. Say, max five
> in one day. (That would effectively kill Tor support though, and use
> from public hotspots.)

Too much.

Additionally, it is easy to get another IP address.
A normal IPv6 network has 2^64 addresses.

Checkmate <moderator@jelly.time> wrote:
>
> Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by
> Checkmate.
>
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 22:02:18 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda had the audacity to say
> the following:
>
>
> >
> > Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:08:59 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> >
> > > In alt.free.newsservers Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> > >> If anybody is wondering why Mixmin isn't accessible anymore:
> > >> The host Hetzner shut it down because it has been abused by spammers,
> > >> especially in the hierarchy de.*.
> > >
> > > Connecting to news.mixmin.net...
> > > news.mixmin.net InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.8.0 (20230529
> > > prerelease) ready (posting ok)
> > >
> > > But when attempting to post it seems to always reply that you're
> > > not allowed to post to any group you try to post to. It looks like
> > > it's gone read-only now, like Neodome.
> >
> > That is also not acceptable as kensi must be permitted to post.
> >
> > Stop fucking around and just put everything back the way it was last
> > December.
>
> Your impotent demands are futile.

Yebbut, they are funny.

Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote in news:u7e619$1pmun$1@solani.org:

> Am 27.06.2023 um 07:52:42 Uhr schrieb Nadegda:
>
>> That would easily be addressed by limiting the number of distinct from
>> emails from a single IP within a certain time interval. Say, max five
>> in one day. (That would effectively kill Tor support though, and use
>> from public hotspots.)
>
> Too much.
>
> Additionally, it is easy to get another IP address.
> A normal IPv6 network has 2^64 addresses.

A crafty admin will not block individual IP addresses. You piss them off
and an entire NETBLK is gone.

On 27/06/2023 06:29, Minoru Osaka wrote:
[cut]
>
> I don't know how Ivo manages to not require pre registration, but you've
> gone the way that Paolo and Alex and others had to go, unfortunately.
>

It's easy: I run a very "strong" filter's, that can help me to
auto-manage the server. And when an abuser found a bug or something, and
I found them (or user's report to me), I adjust them to work prly and
continue ;)

Actually I'm working to add SSL and an .onion andress to paganini, to
help tor and other user's to play better... Stay tuned for update...

Sincerely

--
Ivo Gandolfo

On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 17:06:35 +0200, Ivo Gandolfo wrote:

>> I don't know how Ivo manages to not require pre registration, but you've
>> gone the way that Paolo and Alex and others had to go, unfortunately.
>>
>
> It's easy: I run a very "strong" filter's, that can help me to
> auto-manage the server. And when an abuser found a bug or something, and
> I found them (or user's report to me), I adjust them to work prly and
> continue ;)
>
> Actually I'm working to add SSL and an .onion andress to paganini, to
> help tor and other user's to play better... Stay tuned for update...

Privacy is important in a news server (as Steve Crook knows rather well).

Given Steve had to, finally, give up... I appreciate that you are literally
the last survivor of the privacy breed who have been maintaining a privacy
based server. None of the others afford the privacy that you do, although
Steve was the previous one and Paolo the penultimate of the stated group.

Even though I never spam, I've hit your filters a few times. There are
workarounds for each (e.g., don't reply to a thread whose newsgroup list is
greater than three for one example - or remove groups until it is three).

Once in a while I get a badword even though there are no bad words.
I also get forbidden URLs even though there's seemingly nothing wrong.

But that's the price we pay for our privacy - which is an OK tradeoff.
And, like you said, you respond to users' suggestions (as does RetroGuy).

Thank you and Steve and Paolo and Alex and Roman and Jesse and Steen and
Wolfgang and Daniel and Monika and Benjamin and any I've missed offhand who
provide us, the user, with free news servers (only yours of which is still
able to be private so you're doing a lot of work to keep spammers away).

I don't know your percentages but I hope the spammers are less than 1% of
your posters - where that would mean 99% of your customers are good guys
who simply desire a modicum of privacy when they're posting to Usenet.

Minoru Osaka <minoru.osaka@asahi.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 17:06:35 +0200, Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
>
> >> I don't know how Ivo manages to not require pre registration, but you've
> >> gone the way that Paolo and Alex and others had to go, unfortunately.
> >>
> >
> > It's easy: I run a very "strong" filter's, that can help me to
> > auto-manage the server. And when an abuser found a bug or something, and
> > I found them (or user's report to me), I adjust them to work prly and
> > continue ;)
> >
> > Actually I'm working to add SSL and an .onion andress to paganini, to
> > help tor and other user's to play better... Stay tuned for update...
>
> Privacy is important in a news server (as Steve Crook knows rather well).
>
> Given Steve had to, finally, give up... I appreciate that you are literally
> the last survivor of the privacy breed who have been maintaining a privacy
> based server. None of the others afford the privacy that you do, although
> Steve was the previous one and Paolo the penultimate of the stated group.
>

There's still Dizum... [barf]

> Even though I never spam, I've hit your filters a few times. There are
> workarounds for each (e.g., don't reply to a thread whose newsgroup list is
> greater than three for one example - or remove groups until it is three).
>
> Once in a while I get a badword even though there are no bad words.
> I also get forbidden URLs even though there's seemingly nothing wrong.
>
> But that's the price we pay for our privacy - which is an OK tradeoff.
> And, like you said, you respond to users' suggestions (as does RetroGuy).
>
> Thank you and Steve and Paolo and Alex and Roman and Jesse and Steen and
> Wolfgang and Daniel and Monika and Benjamin and any I've missed offhand who
> provide us, the user, with free news servers (only yours of which is still
> able to be private so you're doing a lot of work to keep spammers away).
>
> I don't know your percentages but I hope the spammers are less than 1% of
> your posters - where that would mean 99% of your customers are good guys
> who simply desire a modicum of privacy when they're posting to Usenet.

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My pet rock Gordon just is.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 16:47:19 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

> There's still Dizum... [barf]

True. But dizum (119/563) is read only sans credentials.

I don't use Dizum's mail2news portal but that "may" work - do you know if
it does still work?

Long ago I had asked Alex de Joode usura@despair.sabotage.org in Amsterdam
but he may have changed his email as apparently he never got the messages.

To your point though, these work.

freenews.netfront.net:119 [blank/blank]
news.dizum.net:119 [blank/blank] <<<<<<<< read only
news.mixmin.net:119 [blank/blank]
news.neodome.net:119 [blank/blank]
news.tambov.ru:119 [blank/blank] <<<<<<<< read/write
paganini.bofh.team:119 [blank/blank] <<<<<<<< read/write
reader.albasani.net:119 [readonly/readonly]

PS: When I saw your post I thought "oh my God, more childish drivel", but
you remained an adult for which I commend you upon as you can add value.

Minoru Osaka <minoru.osaka@asahi.net> wrote:

> PS: When I saw your post I thought "oh my God, more childish drivel", but
> you remained an adult for which I commend you upon as you can add value.

[preen]

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Checkmate.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 07:52:42 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda had the audacity to say
the following:

>
> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 09:15:13 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:
>
> > Am 26.06.2023 um 19:03:20 Uhr schrieb Steve Crook:
> >
> >> It isn't really a matter of not caring. I like to think that the
> >> users of Usenet are sufficiently mature to:-
> >> a) Not abuse the service they enjoy
> >
> > People will do this.
> >
> >> b) Use their reader of choice to filter out what they don't want to
> >> read.
> >
> > Not possible. Many trolls came via Mixmin to post a lot of bullshit
> > with continuously changing names and mail addresses.
>
> That would easily be addressed by limiting the number of distinct from
> emails from a single IP within a certain time interval. Say, max five in
> one day. (That would effectively kill Tor support though, and use from
> public hotspots.)

The "problem" has already been addressed, Paul, but thanks for the
suggestion.

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Checkmate.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 05:03:10 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda had the audacity to say
the following:

>
> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 20:43:16 -0700, Checkmate <rodemator@jerry.time>
> wrote:
>
> > Warning! Always make ANSI approved safety giggles when reading drivel by
> > Checkmate.
> >
> > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 22:02:18 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda had the audacity to say
> > the following:
> >
> >> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
> >> On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:08:59 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> >>
> >> > In alt.free.newsservers Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >> >> If anybody is wondering why Mixmin isn't accessible anymore:
> >> >> The host Hetzner shut it down because it has been abused by spammers,
> >> >> especially in the hierarchy de.*.
> >> >
> >> > Connecting to news.mixmin.net...
> >> > news.mixmin.net InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.8.0 (20230529
> >> > prerelease) ready (posting ok)
> >> >
> >> > But when attempting to post it seems to always reply that you're
> >> > not allowed to post to any group you try to post to. It looks like
> >> > it's gone read-only now, like Neodome.
> >>
> >> That is also not acceptable as kensi must be permitted to post.
> >>
> >> Stop fucking around and just put everything back the way it was last
> >> December.
> >
> > Your impotent demands are futile.
>
> Shuddup, kook.

Same answer, you sassy little spankard.

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Copyright © 2023
all rights reserved

"its usually the lesser intelligent person , that comments
on the more intelligent person's , lack of intelligents
and we all think what we do has major significants"

-David Keeting, in perhaps the most ironic statement
ever made on Usenet.

https://youtu.be/wT-8Dm1VThc

https://youtu.be/NxSj2T2vx7M

Footloose! https://youtu.be/mXfVaXjBFK4

Kensi, "doing a little victory dance"
https://youtu.be/obInNk448nI
***************************************************
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kensi." -Nadegda
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***************************************************

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On 27 Jun 2023, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> posted some
news:u7e2a1$1r1hf$2@solani.org:

> Am 26.06.2023 um 19:03:20 Uhr schrieb Steve Crook:
>
>> It isn't really a matter of not caring. I like to think that the
>> users of Usenet are sufficiently mature to:-
>> a) Not abuse the service they enjoy
>
> People will do this.
>
>> b) Use their reader of choice to filter out what they don't want to
>> read.
>
> Not possible. Many trolls came via Mixmin to post a lot of bullshit
> with continuously changing names and mail addresses.

Really put a crimp in your abilities to dox and ultimately attack them at
their places of employment didn't it?

> Then some other people answer to these posts from other servers and
> complain.

If they reply to the posts and complain, they deserve a response. If it's
not to their liking, tough.

On 27 Jun 2023, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) posted some
news:1qczt5z.voosa81iiixy2N%snipeco.2@gmail.com:

> Minoru Osaka <minoru.osaka@asahi.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 17:06:35 +0200, Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
>>
>> >> I don't know how Ivo manages to not require pre registration, but
>> >> you've gone the way that Paolo and Alex and others had to go,
>> >> unfortunately.
>> >>
>> >
>> > It's easy: I run a very "strong" filter's, that can help me to
>> > auto-manage the server. And when an abuser found a bug or
>> > something, and I found them (or user's report to me), I adjust them
>> > to work prly and continue ;)
>> >
>> > Actually I'm working to add SSL and an .onion andress to paganini,
>> > to help tor and other user's to play better... Stay tuned for
>> > update...
>>
>> Privacy is important in a news server (as Steve Crook knows rather
>> well).
>>
>> Given Steve had to, finally, give up... I appreciate that you are
>> literally the last survivor of the privacy breed who have been
>> maintaining a privacy based server. None of the others afford the
>> privacy that you do, although Steve was the previous one and Paolo
>> the penultimate of the stated group.
>>
>
> There's still Dizum... [barf]

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| | _____ | |
| | |_ _| | |
| | | | | |
| | | | | |
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| | | |
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| | _______ | |
| | |_ __ \ | |
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| | |____| |___| | |
| | | |
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| .--------------. |
| | ____ | |
| | .' `. | |
| | / .--. \ | |
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| | .' ___ | | |
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| | |_ ||_ _| | |
| | | |_/ / | |
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| | |____||____| | |
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| | / ___ | | |
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| | '.___`-. | |
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'----------------'

Steve Crook <steve@mixmin.net> writes:
> Marco Moock wrote:
>> Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
>
> It isn't really a matter of not caring. I like to think that the
> users of Usenet are sufficiently mature to:-
> a) Not abuse the service they enjoy

It’s been glaringly obvious since the 1990s that that is not true.

> b) Use their reader of choice to filter out what they don't want to
> read.

The issue here (or at least the one I’m aware of) was content-free
flooding, not just an unpopular opinion or something.

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Am 28.06.2023 08:56 schrieb Richard Kettlewell:

> Steve Crook <steve@mixmin.net> writes:
> > Marco Moock wrote:
> >> Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
> >
> > It isn't really a matter of not caring. I like to think that the
> > users of Usenet are sufficiently mature to:-
> > a) Not abuse the service they enjoy
>
> It’s been glaringly obvious since the 1990s that that is not true.
>
> > b) Use their reader of choice to filter out what they don't want to
> > read.
>
> The issue here (or at least the one I’m aware of) was content-free
> flooding, not just an unpopular opinion or something.

If there is criteria that can be filtered, it is ok. But it didn't
exist for the trolls, they used many names and mail addresses.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 03:49:16 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; Wally
<wally@world.std> determined that the following was of great importance
and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<u7gajr$3e65c$1@paganini.bofh.team>:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= On 27 Jun 2023, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> posted some
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= news:u7e2a1$1r1hf$2@solani.org:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Am 26.06.2023 um 19:03:20 Uhr schrieb Steve Crook:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= It isn't really a matter of not caring. I like to think that the users
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= of Usenet are sufficiently mature to:- a) Not abuse the service they
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= enjoy
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= People will do this.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= b) Use their reader of choice to filter out what they don't want to
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= read.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Not possible. Many trolls came via Mixmin to post a lot of bullshit with
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= continuously changing names and mail addresses.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Really put a crimp in your abilities to dox and ultimately attack them
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= at their places of employment didn't it?
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Then some other people answer to these posts from other servers and
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= complain.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= If they reply to the posts and complain, they deserve a response. If
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= it's not to their liking, tough.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=

Maybe you could team up with the alt.checkmate pedophile "Checkmate" to rid usenet of such annoyances?

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On 6/28/2023 6:04 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 28.06.2023 08:56 schrieb Richard Kettlewell:
>
>> Steve Crook <steve@mixmin.net> writes:
>>> Marco Moock wrote:
>>>> Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
>>>
>>> It isn't really a matter of not caring. I like to think that the
>>> users of Usenet are sufficiently mature to:-
>>> a) Not abuse the service they enjoy
>>
>> It’s been glaringly obvious since the 1990s that that is not true.
>>
>>> b) Use their reader of choice to filter out what they don't want to
>>> read.
>>
>> The issue here (or at least the one I’m aware of) was content-free
>> flooding, not just an unpopular opinion or something.
>
> If there is criteria that can be filtered, it is ok. But it didn't
> exist for the trolls, they used many names and mail addresses.
>
That's called a VPN machine gun.

I don't know if you're aware, how many open and abuse-able VPNs
exist, suited to sending a few USENET messages and then shutting down.

This allows an abuser, to have a pool of IP addresses to work with,
which makes it difficult for a USENET server operator to filter them off.

There is also a defense for that, but it costs money. There is
a subscription service that tracks open VPNs, and delivers the
list of filterable IP addresses. (That's because at least some of
these open VPNs are at fixed addresses or don't reboot that often.)
Firms like Netflix, subscribe to lists like that.

So you can "harden" a USENET server against VPN machine guns,
but it costs money (to get a subscription to the list).

The number of free, low bandwidth, abuse-able facilities,
is at least 1200.

There is at least one USENETter who is known to possess such a
machine gun.

Paul

Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>Am 28.06.2023 08:56 schrieb Richard Kettlewell:
>>Steve Crook <steve@mixmin.net> writes:
>>>Marco Moock wrote:

>>>>Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.

>>>It isn't really a matter of not caring. I like to think that the
>>>users of Usenet are sufficiently mature to:-

>>>a) Not abuse the service they enjoy

>>It's been glaringly obvious since the 1990s that that is not true.

>>>b) Use their reader of choice to filter out what they don't want to
>>>read.

>>The issue here (or at least the one I'm aware of) was content-free
>>flooding, not just an unpopular opinion or something.

>If there is criteria that can be filtered, it is ok. But it didn't
>exist for the trolls, they used many names and mail addresses.

There had been a criterion: It was injected through mixmin. Despite what
Steve Crook claims to believe, almost nothing worth reading was posted
through his server, except by someone whose regular server was off line.
Normally, if it was posted through mixmin, one assumed that the user was
being forged, given how common it was.

Steve Crook is an intelligent man. He expressed wishful thinking but in
practice, I don't believe for a moment that he was unaware of the amount
of Usenet abuse being committed through his server.

The only non-registering server that had some worthwhile content was
AIOE, and even that had significant abuse. At one point, I had to tell
Paolo to reject articles with my email address as I was being forged.

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> said:

> So you can "harden" a USENET server against VPN machine guns,
> but it costs money (to get a subscription to the list).
>
> The number of free, low bandwidth, abuse-able facilities,
> is at least 1200.
>
> There is at least one USENETter who is known to possess such a
> machine gun.

How does oagabubi's bofh get around these vpn machine guns then?

On 28 Jun 2023, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> posted some
news:u7hm3d$1qeef$1@dont-email.me:

> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>>Am 28.06.2023 08:56 schrieb Richard Kettlewell:
>>>Steve Crook <steve@mixmin.net> writes:
>>>>Marco Moock wrote:
>
>>>>>Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
>
>>>>It isn't really a matter of not caring. I like to think that the
>>>>users of Usenet are sufficiently mature to:-
>
>>>>a) Not abuse the service they enjoy
>
>>>It's been glaringly obvious since the 1990s that that is not true.
>
>>>>b) Use their reader of choice to filter out what they don't want to
>>>>read.
>
>>>The issue here (or at least the one I'm aware of) was content-free
>>>flooding, not just an unpopular opinion or something.
>
>>If there is criteria that can be filtered, it is ok. But it didn't
>>exist for the trolls, they used many names and mail addresses.
>
> There had been a criterion: It was injected through mixmin. Despite what
> Steve Crook claims to believe, almost nothing worth reading was posted
> through his server, except by someone whose regular server was off line.
> Normally, if it was posted through mixmin, one assumed that the user was
> being forged, given how common it was.

That's not the truth, the whole truth, or anything even resembling truth.
Take the dress off and put some pants on, Kerman.

> Steve Crook is an intelligent man. He expressed wishful thinking but in

Brighter than most and a good guy.

> practice, I don't believe for a moment that he was unaware of the amount
> of Usenet abuse being committed through his server.

Primarily by the same two turds who ruined albasani, freenews, neodome and
aioe, one of whom is now trolling from motzarella. Neither one of them is
the character who went after the de.* groups. That one was lurking in
apas trying to get qsl working for a while. Yes we helped him.

> The only non-registering server that had some worthwhile content was
> AIOE, and even that had significant abuse. At one point, I had to tell
> Paolo to reject articles with my email address as I was being forged.

There's free speech and countering viewpoints that some torpid
participants consider abusive. It doesn't take much effort to filter
those out or poke the author(s) with a sharp stick.

Hopalong Beaver <try@earthlink.net> wrote:

>>. . .

>That's not the truth, the whole truth, or anything even resembling truth.
>Take the dress off and put some pants on, Kerman.

It sure takes guts to flame me with constant morphing, posting through
paganini.

No one else has ever found it necessary to hide behind layers of
sockpuppets to criticize me. I'm fair game.

You're a coward. You've always been a coward. You always will be a
coward. Take your own advice and grow a pair.

Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> Hopalong Beaver <try@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>. . .
>
> >That's not the truth, the whole truth, or anything even resembling truth.
> >Take the dress off and put some pants on, Kerman.
>
> It sure takes guts to flame me with constant morphing, posting through
> paganini.
>
> No one else has ever found it necessary to hide behind layers of
> sockpuppets to criticize me. I'm fair game.
>
> You're a coward. You've always been a coward. You always will be a
> coward. Take your own advice and grow a pair.

+1

In article <u7i133$3k2ea$1@paganini.bofh.team>, try@earthlink.net
says...
>
> On 28 Jun 2023, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> posted some
> news:u7hm3d$1qeef$1@dont-email.me:
>
> > Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >>Am 28.06.2023 08:56 schrieb Richard Kettlewell:
> >>>Steve Crook <steve@mixmin.net> writes:
> >>>>Marco Moock wrote:
> >
> >>>>>Mixmin has been abused and the operator didn't care for years.
> >
> >>>>It isn't really a matter of not caring. I like to think that the
> >>>>users of Usenet are sufficiently mature to:-
> >
> >>>>a) Not abuse the service they enjoy
> >
> >>>It's been glaringly obvious since the 1990s that that is not true.
> >
> >>>>b) Use their reader of choice to filter out what they don't want to
> >>>>read.
> >
> >>>The issue here (or at least the one I'm aware of) was content-free
> >>>flooding, not just an unpopular opinion or something.
> >
> >>If there is criteria that can be filtered, it is ok. But it didn't
> >>exist for the trolls, they used many names and mail addresses.
> >
> > There had been a criterion: It was injected through mixmin. Despite what
> > Steve Crook claims to believe, almost nothing worth reading was posted
> > through his server, except by someone whose regular server was off line.
> > Normally, if it was posted through mixmin, one assumed that the user was
> > being forged, given how common it was.
>
> That's not the truth, the whole truth, or anything even resembling truth.
> Take the dress off and put some pants on, Kerman.
>
> > Steve Crook is an intelligent man. He expressed wishful thinking but in
>
> Brighter than most and a good guy.
>
> > practice, I don't believe for a moment that he was unaware of the amount
> > of Usenet abuse being committed through his server.
>
> Primarily by the same two turds who ruined albasani, freenews, neodome and
> aioe, one of whom is now trolling from motzarella. Neither one of them is
> the character who went after the de.* groups. That one was lurking in
> apas trying to get qsl working for a while. Yes we helped him.
>
> > The only non-registering server that had some worthwhile content was
> > AIOE, and even that had significant abuse. At one point, I had to tell
> > Paolo to reject articles with my email address as I was being forged.
>
> There's free speech and countering viewpoints that some torpid
> participants consider abusive. It doesn't take much effort to filter
> those out or poke the author(s) with a sharp stick.

It's all Kensi's and her puppet Nads fault.

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 10:18:49 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:

> Am 27.06.2023 um 07:52:42 Uhr schrieb Nadegda:
>
>> That would easily be addressed by limiting the number of distinct from
>> emails from a single IP within a certain time interval. Say, max five
>> in one day. (That would effectively kill Tor support though, and use
>> from public hotspots.)
>
> Too much.
>
> Additionally, it is easy to get another IP address.
> A normal IPv6 network has 2^64 addresses.

A normal user doesn't. A normal user has one, and *may* be able to get
another one if they turn their router off for 10 minutes or so and then
back on again. Not really compatible with mass flood/spam attacks. Not if
they have to do it after every five posts (if they want to morph with every
post to avoid being killfiled).

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 10:01:58 +0000, rank amateur wrote:

> Marco Koock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote in news:u7e619$1pmun$1@solani.org:
>
>> Am 27.06.2023 um 07:52:42 Uhr schrieb Nadegda:
>>
>>> That would easily be addressed by limiting the number of distinct from
>>> emails from a single IP within a certain time interval. Say, max five
>>> in one day. (That would effectively kill Tor support though, and use
>>> from public hotspots.)
>>
>> Too much.
>>
>> Additionally, it is easy to get another IP address.
>> A normal IPv6 network has 2^64 addresses.
>
> A crafty admin will not block individual IP addresses. You piss them off
> and an entire NETBLK is gone.

You misspelled "A ruthless admin". That will cause *massive* collateral
damage.

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 15:36:11 -0700, Checkmate <rodemator@jelly.time>
wrote:

> Warning! Always make ANSI approved safety giggles when reading drivel by
> Checkmate.
>
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 07:52:42 -0000 (UTC), Nadegda had the audacity to say
> the following:
>
>> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 09:15:13 +0200, Marco Koock wrote:
>>
>> > Am 26.06.2023 um 19:03:20 Uhr schrieb Steve Crook:
>> >
>> >> It isn't really a matter of not caring. I like to think that the
>> >> users of Usenet are sufficiently mature to:-
>> >> a) Not abuse the service they enjoy
>> >
>> > People will do this.
>> >
>> >> b) Use their reader of choice to filter out what they don't want to
>> >> read.
>> >
>> > Not possible. Many trolls came via Mixmin to post a lot of bullshit
>> > with continuously changing names and mail addresses.
>>
>> That would easily be addressed by limiting the number of distinct from
>> emails from a single IP within a certain time interval. Say, max five in
>> one day. (That would effectively kill Tor support though, and use from
>> public hotspots.)
>
> The "problem" has already been addressed,

No, it hasn't, kook. Not until kensi is back online.

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>