On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 23:52:58 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:

> The container ship was fine sailing the seven seas until the Baltimore
> harbour pilots laid their hands on it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/03/26/baltimore-
bridge-collapse-ship-dali/73105394007/

"The ship in Tuesday's crash, Dali, was involved in at least one prior
accident when it collided with a shipping pier in Belgium.

That 2016 incident occurred as the Dali was leaving port in Antwerp and
struck a loading pier made of stone, causing damage to the ship’s stern,
according to VesselFinder.com, a site that tracks ships across the world.
An investigation determined a mistake made by the ship’s master and pilot
was to blame.

No one was injured in that crash, although the ship required repair and a
full inspection before being returned to service. The pier – or berth –
was also seriously damaged and had to be closed.

VesselFinder reports that the Dali was chartered by Maersk, the same
company chartering it during the Baltimore harbor incident.

The 9-year-old container ship had passed previous inspections during its
time at sea, but during one such inspection in June at the Port of San
Antonio in Chile, officials discovered a deficiency with its "propulsion
and auxiliary machinery (gauges, thermometers, etc)," according to the
Tokyo MOU, an intergovernmental maritime authority in the Asia-Pacific
region."

On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:18:29 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:

> Dropping the anchor was a stupid move. A ship's anchor is not like a
> car's brakes. The ship would keep moving forward until the anchor hit
> the bottom and snared some giant rocks. And then the anchor chain would
> be pulling the bow to one side to spin the ship around (the anchor
> hawseholes are at the front end of the ship). Maybe this is the reason
> the ship suddenly turned towards the pillar of the Key Bridge. Dropping
> the anchor to stop the ship when the ship was still far from the bridge
> might have worked, but not when the ship was so close to the support
> column of the bridge. Anyways, dropping the anchor will always swing a
> ship around.

Your ignorance is incredible and I mean that literally. You cannot be so
stupid; it's merely a trolling device.

On 4/4/2024 2:36 pm, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 11:06 PM:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:28:36 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
>> ? <@.> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 9:58 PM:
>>>> On 4/3/2024 6:30 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead
>>>>>>>>> of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key
>>>>>>>>> Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering
>>>>>>>>> the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that,
>>>>>>>>> because the pilot knows the water channel like the back of his
>>>>>>>>> hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid so that it
>>>>>>>>> won't run aground.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>>>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>>>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>>>>>> fault?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>>>>> being trained?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge
>>>>>>> collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that
>>>>>>> fell into the water).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
>>>>>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
>>>>>> that luxury.
>>>>>
>>>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed
>>>>> the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>>>
>>>> Are you Rod Speed??? You certainly have his stupid know it all
>>>> attitude.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I merely put forward the best, unbiased analysis of what caused the
>>> accident.
>> Might be unbiased, but definitely not the best analysis.
>>
>> Other have answered pretty well but since you replied first to my post,
>> I will take the bait.
>>
>> If I were driving a Ford with 1000 miles on it, and the rack and pinion
>> locked up so that I coudlnt' steer it, do you think I would be liable
>> for the damages that followed or Ford would?
>
> You were driving your own car. How's that relevant to the case of the
> Baltimore harbour pilots at the helm of a strange (or not so familiar)
> ship?
>
>
>> It's the same here.  Assuming the engine could have been turned off, and
>> that the pilot had the power to do that, and he did it, that would make
>> the pilot and his employer liable. But you have to prove that by a
>> preponderance of the evidence.
>
> I think there is a black box in ships like that. I think they got the
> hold of the black box.
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/baltimore-bridge-collapse-cargo-ship-black-box-recovered-2024-3
>
>> It could also be that the owner of the ship didn't maintain the engines
>> properly and that caused the engines to stop.  That would make the owner
>> liable.
>
> It worked fine all over the world until the Baltimore harbour pilots
> took over the helm. I'd blame the pilots first.
>
Harbour pilots are way more skilled at steering ships than any seagoing
helmsman ever would be. Plus they are extremely familiar with their turf.
>
>> It could be, I hear, that the fuel they used was bad and that made the
>> engnine and the electrical generating engines stop. That could make the
>> vendor of the fuel liable, unless maybe he took the standard amount of
>> care but someone else not related to the fuel vendor intentionally
>> damaged the fuel.   Or it could be the fuel wholesaler or producer made
>> bad fuel that fouled the engines.
>
> Bad fuel won't make the power go out and come back on.
>
The return of power was probably the emergency lighting generator(s)
kicking in. They will not provide propulsion, just lighting, hence they
wouldn't/couldn't prevent shit happening.
>
>> It could be that none of those parties were negligent but it turns out
>> the electical generating engines fail at a certain age, and it was that
>> old but they buyers weren't warned.   The maker of the engines might
>> have known they fail at that age and not warned the buyers, or maybe he
>> didn't know this.
>
> This does not explain why the power went out and came back on.

See above. The delay in the return to power would indicate emergency
systems coming into action. Those emergency generators don't always have
an instant startup. That said, I have worked in places where the
emergency generators started within seconds of a power outage and could
go to full power and speed from cold.
>
>> I'm sure there are other things that could have caused this.
>
> Fat finger pushing the wrong button?
>
Unlikely. That's not how ship engines are started and stopped.
>
>>
>> It's not clear from afar, and it's not even clear to those on the scene,
>> if someone was at fault and if so, who it was.
>
>
> You keep trying to make excuses for the Baltimore harbour pilots when
> their human error is the most likely culprit of this disaster.

The pilot cannot be blamed if the ship has no propulsion. No propulsion
equals no steering. It would be worse heading downriver on an outgoing
tide. You really have no clue about how ships operate, eh?

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 4/4/2024 2:47 pm, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 11:07 PM:
>> On 4/3/2024 10:26 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:51 PM:
>>>> On 4/3/2024 9:30 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot"
>>>>>>>>> instead of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore
>>>>>>>>> Key Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was
>>>>>>>>> steering the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do
>>>>>>>>> just that, because the pilot knows the water channel like the
>>>>>>>>> back of his hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid
>>>>>>>>> so that it won't run aground.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or
>>>>>>>>> owner of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the
>>>>>>>>> ship worked for Baltimore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the
>>>>>>>> pilots fault?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>>>>> being trained?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the
>>>>>>> bridge collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles
>>>>>>> that fell into the water).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines
>>>>>> were running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did
>>>>>> not have that luxury.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally
>>>>> killed the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No, does not work like that.  Not the same as turning off the key in
>>>> your car ignition.
>>>
>>> The ship's power went out and came back on. Someone realized the
>>> mistake and corrected it. That's the logical explanation.
>>>
>>> Homer Simpson was at the helm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Have you ever been on a ship?  Ever see the power plant?
>>
>> The pilot did not hit the off button.
>
> Your psychic power determined that?
>
Common sense most likely determined that. Here, a video to educate
yourself on the process of *starting* a ship's engine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mFmCxOjY_A

>>
>> I've been on a couple and my brother was an engineer that worked on
>> the propulsion systems, both diesel and nuclear.
>
> You mean the control room of a container ship (or a warship) does not
> have a button to turn the power on and off? Why? Go down to the belly of

A ship does not operate like your car.

> the container ship (or warship) to manually throw the lever switch? What
> planet do you live on?

Funny, I was wondering that exact same thing about you!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 4/4/2024 4:26 pm, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:18:29 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
>> Dropping the anchor was a stupid move. A ship's anchor is not like a
>> car's brakes. The ship would keep moving forward until the anchor hit
>> the bottom and snared some giant rocks. And then the anchor chain would
>> be pulling the bow to one side to spin the ship around (the anchor
>> hawseholes are at the front end of the ship). Maybe this is the reason
>> the ship suddenly turned towards the pillar of the Key Bridge. Dropping
>> the anchor to stop the ship when the ship was still far from the bridge
>> might have worked, but not when the ship was so close to the support
>> column of the bridge. Anyways, dropping the anchor will always swing a
>> ship around.
>
> Your ignorance is incredible and I mean that literally. You cannot be so
> stupid; it's merely a trolling device.

I have seen extremes of stupidity: he *can* be that stupid!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 4/4/2024 10:51 am, Ed P wrote:
> On 4/3/2024 6:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA who
>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>
>>
>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of
>> the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The
>> "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not the
>> captain. The pilot was hired to do just that, because the pilot knows
>> the water channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows where the
>> ship should avoid so that it won't run aground.
>>
>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner of
>> the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked for
>> Baltimore.
>>
>>
>
> That is sort of correct.  Unfortunately, the pilot was not steering the
> ship.  He wanted to, but the rudder was not working.  The pilot had no
> control over that situation.

Correction, the rudder *might* have been working Had power resumed) but
would be ineffective when the ship has lost propulsion and drifting.
Tides can worsen matters greatly. For instance, an outgoing tide would
mean the ship drift and the water flow might match - result - no
steerage at all.
>
> I did hear on the news the investigation can take up to two years.
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 4/4/2024 12:05 pm, Ed P wrote:
> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA who
>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of
>>>> the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The
>>>> "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not the
>>>> captain. The pilot was hired to do just that, because the pilot
>>>> knows the water channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows
>>>> where the ship should avoid so that it won't run aground.
>>>>
>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner of
>>>> the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked for
>>>> Baltimore.
>>>
>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after it's
>>> power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots fault?
>>>
>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there being
>>> trained?
>>
>>
>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone else
>> for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for third party
>> liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge collapse) and
>> property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that fell into the water).
>>
>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>
>>
>>
> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on him.
>
> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
> that luxury.

Yup, no propulsion = no steerage regardless of whether the rudders
themselves can be physically actuated.
--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

rbowman wrote on 4/4/2024 1:26 AM:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:18:29 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
>> Dropping the anchor was a stupid move. A ship's anchor is not like a
>> car's brakes. The ship would keep moving forward until the anchor hit
>> the bottom and snared some giant rocks. And then the anchor chain would
>> be pulling the bow to one side to spin the ship around (the anchor
>> hawseholes are at the front end of the ship). Maybe this is the reason
>> the ship suddenly turned towards the pillar of the Key Bridge. Dropping
>> the anchor to stop the ship when the ship was still far from the bridge
>> might have worked, but not when the ship was so close to the support
>> column of the bridge. Anyways, dropping the anchor will always swing a
>> ship around.
> Your ignorance is incredible and I mean that literally. You cannot be so
> stupid; it's merely a trolling device.

You are the incredibly ignorant one here. An anchored ship always faces
the anchor. That means when a ship in forward motion drops the anchor,
the ship would eventually swing around to face the anchor. After the
engine is turned off, the ship's heading will always be against the
current and facing the anchor.

An anchored ship always faces the anchor
https://maritimesa.org/nautical-science-grade-11/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/10/11.2.4.

rbowman wrote on 4/4/2024 1:26 AM:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:18:29 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
>> Dropping the anchor was a stupid move. A ship's anchor is not like a
>> car's brakes. The ship would keep moving forward until the anchor hit
>> the bottom and snared some giant rocks. And then the anchor chain would
>> be pulling the bow to one side to spin the ship around (the anchor
>> hawseholes are at the front end of the ship). Maybe this is the reason
>> the ship suddenly turned towards the pillar of the Key Bridge. Dropping
>> the anchor to stop the ship when the ship was still far from the bridge
>> might have worked, but not when the ship was so close to the support
>> column of the bridge. Anyways, dropping the anchor will always swing a
>> ship around.
> Your ignorance is incredible and I mean that literally. You cannot be so
> stupid; it's merely a trolling device.

You are the incredibly ignorant one here. An anchored ship always faces
the anchor. That means when a ship in forward motion drops the anchor,
the ship would eventually swing around to face the anchor. After the
engine is turned off, the ship's heading will always be against the
current and facing the anchor.

An anchored ship always faces the anchor

https://maritimesa.org/nautical-science-grade-11/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/10/11.2.4.3_fig_2.jpg

https://www.myseatime.com/blogadm/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/swinging-circle-of-the-ship-at-anchor.jpg

rbowman wrote on 4/4/2024 1:23 AM:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 23:52:58 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
>> The container ship was fine sailing the seven seas until the Baltimore
>> harbour pilots laid their hands on it.
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/03/26/baltimore-
> bridge-collapse-ship-dali/73105394007/
>
> "The ship in Tuesday's crash, Dali, was involved in at least one prior
> accident when it collided with a shipping pier in Belgium.
>
> That 2016 incident occurred as the Dali was leaving port in Antwerp and
> struck a loading pier made of stone, causing damage to the ship’s stern,
> according to VesselFinder.com, a site that tracks ships across the world.
> An investigation determined a mistake made by the ship’s master and pilot
> was to blame.

Another pilot mistake. Belgium also hires "Homer Simpson"-type of
pilots. The "stern" of a ship is the rear-end of the ship. Apparently
the pilot put the ship in reverse by mistake and rear-ended ship against
the pier.

> No one was injured in that crash, although the ship required repair and a
> full inspection before being returned to service. The pier – or berth –
> was also seriously damaged and had to be closed.
>
> VesselFinder reports that the Dali was chartered by Maersk, the same
> company chartering it during the Baltimore harbor incident.
>
> The 9-year-old container ship had passed previous inspections during its
> time at sea, but during one such inspection in June at the Port of San
> Antonio in Chile, officials discovered a deficiency with its "propulsion
> and auxiliary machinery (gauges, thermometers, etc)," according to the
> Tokyo MOU, an intergovernmental maritime authority in the Asia-Pacific
> region."
>
>

On 4/4/2024 6:18 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> rbowman wrote on 4/4/2024 1:23 AM:
>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 23:52:58 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>
>>> The container ship was fine sailing the seven seas until the Baltimore
>>> harbour pilots laid their hands on it.
>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/03/26/baltimore-
>> bridge-collapse-ship-dali/73105394007/
>>
>> "The ship in Tuesday's crash, Dali, was involved in at least one prior
>> accident when it collided with a shipping pier in Belgium.
>>
>> That 2016 incident occurred as the Dali was leaving port in Antwerp and
>> struck a loading pier made of stone, causing damage to the ship’s stern,
>> according to VesselFinder.com, a site that tracks ships across the world.
>> An investigation determined a mistake made by the ship’s master and pilot
>> was to blame.
>
> Another pilot mistake. Belgium also hires "Homer Simpson"-type of
> pilots. The "stern" of a ship is the rear-end of the ship. Apparently
> the pilot put the ship in reverse by mistake and rear-ended ship against
> the pier.
>

Apparently you are wrong again. Do you know how ships steer? Unlike a
car, it is the the back, not the front.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/26/baltimore-bridge-ship-previous-collision-antwerp-2016

On 4/4/2024 6:01 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> rbowman wrote on 4/4/2024 1:26 AM:
>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:18:29 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>
>>> Dropping the anchor was a stupid move. A ship's anchor is not like a
>>> car's brakes. The ship would keep moving forward until the anchor hit
>>> the bottom and snared some giant rocks. And then the anchor chain would
>>> be pulling the bow to one side to spin the ship around (the anchor
>>> hawseholes are at the front end of the ship). Maybe this is the reason
>>> the ship suddenly turned towards the pillar of the Key Bridge. Dropping
>>> the anchor to stop the ship when the ship was still far from the bridge
>>> might have worked, but not when the ship was so close to the support
>>> column of the bridge. Anyways, dropping the anchor will always swing a
>>> ship around.
>> Your ignorance is incredible and I mean that literally. You cannot be so
>> stupid; it's merely a trolling device.
>
>
> You are the incredibly ignorant one here. An anchored ship always faces
> the anchor. That means when a ship in forward motion drops the anchor,
> the ship would eventually swing around to face the anchor. After the
> engine is turned off, the ship's heading will always be against the
> current and facing the anchor.
>
> An anchored ship always faces the anchor
> https://maritimesa.org/nautical-science-grade-11/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/10/11.2.4.
>

At least you used the word "eventually". Ships don't pivot very fast
and the anchor would help stop for forward motion until about stopped.
Then the currents take over and eventually it will swing around.

Once stopped, they can pull the anchor up and drift with the currents if
that is better at the tine and position.

Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 8:58 AM:
> On 4/4/2024 6:18 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> rbowman wrote on 4/4/2024 1:23 AM:
>>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 23:52:58 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>
>>>> The container ship was fine sailing the seven seas until the Baltimore
>>>> harbour pilots laid their hands on it.
>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/03/26/baltimore-
>>>
>>> bridge-collapse-ship-dali/73105394007/
>>>
>>> "The ship in Tuesday's crash, Dali, was involved in at least one prior
>>> accident when it collided with a shipping pier in Belgium.
>>>
>>> That 2016 incident occurred as the Dali was leaving port in Antwerp and
>>> struck a loading pier made of stone, causing damage to the ship’s
>>> stern,
>>> according to VesselFinder.com, a site that tracks ships across the
>>> world.
>>> An investigation determined a mistake made by the ship’s master and
>>> pilot
>>> was to blame.
>>
>> Another pilot mistake. Belgium also hires "Homer Simpson"-type of
>> pilots. The "stern" of a ship is the rear-end of the ship. Apparently
>> the pilot put the ship in reverse by mistake and rear-ended ship
>> against the pier.
>>
>
> Apparently you are wrong again.  Do you know how ships steer? Unlike a
> car, it is the the back, not the front.
>

People say "a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing". That applies
to you.

For humanity's sake, instead of wasting time arguing till the cows come
home, why don't you watch the collision of the ship against the base of
the Baltimore Key Bridge? It's all over the internet.

Before the collision, the ship appeared to have lost the lights, and
then the lights came back on. Then the ship suddenly pulled to the
starboard side (right hand side) and impacted the bridge.

The only reasonable explanation for the ship suddenly jerking to the
starboard side is that the anchor had snared the sea bottom and the
anchor chain was thus pulling on the right hand side of the bow, because
reportedly the ship had deliberately dropped the anchor.

Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 9:06 AM:
> On 4/4/2024 6:01 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> rbowman wrote on 4/4/2024 1:26 AM:
>>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:18:29 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dropping the anchor was a stupid move. A ship's anchor is not like a
>>>> car's brakes. The ship would keep moving forward until the anchor hit
>>>> the bottom and snared some giant rocks. And then the anchor chain
>>>> would
>>>> be pulling the bow to one side to spin the ship around (the anchor
>>>> hawseholes are at the front end of the ship). Maybe this is the reason
>>>> the ship suddenly turned towards the pillar of the Key Bridge.
>>>> Dropping
>>>> the anchor to stop the ship when the ship was still far from the
>>>> bridge
>>>> might have worked, but not when the ship was so close to the support
>>>> column of the bridge. Anyways, dropping the anchor will always swing a
>>>> ship around.
>>> Your ignorance is incredible and I mean that literally. You cannot
>>> be so
>>> stupid; it's merely a trolling device.
>>
>>
>> You are the incredibly ignorant one here. An anchored ship always
>> faces the anchor. That means when a ship in forward motion drops the
>> anchor, the ship would eventually swing around to face the anchor.
>> After the engine is turned off, the ship's heading will always be
>> against the current and facing the anchor.
>>
>> An anchored ship always faces the anchor
>>
>> https://maritimesa.org/nautical-science-grade-11/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/10/11.2.4.3_fig_2.jpg
>>
>>
>> https://www.myseatime.com/blogadm/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/swinging-circle-of-the-ship-at-anchor.jpg
>>
>
> At least you used the word "eventually".  Ships don't pivot very fast
> and the anchor would help stop for forward motion until about stopped.
> Then the currents take over and eventually it will swing around.
>
> Once stopped, they can pull the anchor up and drift with the currents
> if that is better at the tine and position.
>

People say "a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing". That applies
to you.

For humanity's sake, instead of wasting time arguing till the cows come
home, why don't you watch the collision of the ship against the base of
the Baltimore Key Bridge? It's all over the internet.

Before the collision, the ship appeared to have lost the lights, and
then the lights came back on. Then the ship suddenly pulled to the
starboard side (right hand side) and impacted the bridge.

The only reasonable explanation for the ship suddenly jerking to the
starboard side is that the anchor had snared the sea bottom and the
anchor chain was thus pulling on the right hand side of the bow, because
reportedly the ship had deliberately dropped the anchor.

Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 8:58 AM:
> On 4/4/2024 6:18 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> rbowman wrote on 4/4/2024 1:23 AM:
>>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 23:52:58 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>
>>>> The container ship was fine sailing the seven seas until the Baltimore
>>>> harbour pilots laid their hands on it.
>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/03/26/baltimore-
>>>
>>> bridge-collapse-ship-dali/73105394007/
>>>
>>> "The ship in Tuesday's crash, Dali, was involved in at least one prior
>>> accident when it collided with a shipping pier in Belgium.
>>>
>>> That 2016 incident occurred as the Dali was leaving port in Antwerp and
>>> struck a loading pier made of stone, causing damage to the ship’s
>>> stern,
>>> according to VesselFinder.com, a site that tracks ships across the
>>> world.
>>> An investigation determined a mistake made by the ship’s master and
>>> pilot
>>> was to blame.
>>
>> Another pilot mistake. Belgium also hires "Homer Simpson"-type of
>> pilots. The "stern" of a ship is the rear-end of the ship. Apparently
>> the pilot put the ship in reverse by mistake and rear-ended ship
>> against the pier.
>>
>
> Apparently you are wrong again.  Do you know how ships steer? Unlike a
> car, it is the the back, not the front.
>
>

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. A ship's propeller can spin
backward, just like your car tire can spin backward when in reverse
gear. Are you really that dumb, or merely trying to drive up your number
of posts to catch up to Peeler's?

On 4/4/2024 10:52 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 8:58 AM:
>> On 4/4/2024 6:18 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> rbowman wrote on 4/4/2024 1:23 AM:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 23:52:58 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The container ship was fine sailing the seven seas until the Baltimore
>>>>> harbour pilots laid their hands on it.
>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/03/26/baltimore-
>>>> bridge-collapse-ship-dali/73105394007/
>>>>
>>>> "The ship in Tuesday's crash, Dali, was involved in at least one prior
>>>> accident when it collided with a shipping pier in Belgium.
>>>>
>>>> That 2016 incident occurred as the Dali was leaving port in Antwerp and
>>>> struck a loading pier made of stone, causing damage to the ship’s
>>>> stern,
>>>> according to VesselFinder.com, a site that tracks ships across the
>>>> world.
>>>> An investigation determined a mistake made by the ship’s master and
>>>> pilot
>>>> was to blame.
>>>
>>> Another pilot mistake. Belgium also hires "Homer Simpson"-type of
>>> pilots. The "stern" of a ship is the rear-end of the ship. Apparently
>>> the pilot put the ship in reverse by mistake and rear-ended ship
>>> against the pier.
>>>
>>
>> Apparently you are wrong again.  Do you know how ships steer? Unlike a
>> car, it is the the back, not the front.
>>
>>
>
> A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. A ship's propeller can spin
> backward, just like your car tire can spin backward when in reverse
> gear. Are you really that dumb, or merely trying to drive up your number
> of posts to catch up to Peeler's?
>
Ah yes, when proven wrong start with personal attacks and name calling.
Classy.

Having owned boats, I know how they operate. I KNOW HOW THE REAR END
SWINGS. Show me where the propeller was going in reverse.

Facts is what matters and you have shown none, only your opinion. Ahow
a cite please.

On 4/4/2024 10:08 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 9:06 AM:

>>> An anchored ship always faces the anchor
>>>
>>> https://maritimesa.org/nautical-science-grade-11/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/10/11.2.4.3_fig_2.jpg
>>>
>>> https://www.myseatime.com/blogadm/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/swinging-circle-of-the-ship-at-anchor.jpg
>>
>> At least you used the word "eventually".  Ships don't pivot very fast
>> and the anchor would help stop for forward motion until about stopped.
>> Then the currents take over and eventually it will swing around.
>>
>> Once stopped, they can pull the anchor up and drift with the currents
>> if that is better at the tine and position.
>>
>
>
> People say "a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing". That applies
> to you.
>
> For humanity's sake, instead of wasting time arguing till the cows come
> home, why don't you watch the collision of the ship against the base of
> the Baltimore Key Bridge? It's all over the internet.
>
> Before the collision, the ship appeared to have lost the lights, and
> then the lights came back on. Then the ship suddenly pulled to the
> starboard side (right hand side) and impacted the bridge.
>
> The only reasonable explanation for the ship suddenly jerking to the
> starboard side is that the anchor had snared the sea bottom and the
> anchor chain was thus pulling on the right hand side of the bow, because
> reportedly the ship had deliberately dropped the anchor.
>
>

I guess you know better than the pilot

https://tinyurl.com/3cx5p9bn

A pilot on board the cargo ship that crashed into the Baltimore bridge
tried to swing it clear of a collision by dropping its port anchor to
pivot it away, authorities said.

=?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> writes:
>Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 8:58 AM:

>> Apparently you are wrong again.  Do you know how ships steer? Unlike a
>> car, it is the the back, not the front.
>>
>
>People say "a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing". That applies
>to you.

Indeed, and to you as well.

Wait for the accident report before speculating based on
internet videos.

Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 11:22 AM:
> On 4/4/2024 10:08 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 9:06 AM:
>
>>>> An anchored ship always faces the anchor
>>>>
>>>> https://maritimesa.org/nautical-science-grade-11/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/10/11.2.4.3_fig_2.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.myseatime.com/blogadm/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/swinging-circle-of-the-ship-at-anchor.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>> At least you used the word "eventually".  Ships don't pivot very
>>> fast and the anchor would help stop for forward motion until about
>>> stopped. Then the currents take over and eventually it will swing
>>> around.
>>>
>>> Once stopped, they can pull the anchor up and drift with the
>>> currents if that is better at the tine and position.
>>>
>>
>>
>> People say "a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing". That
>> applies to you.
>>
>> For humanity's sake, instead of wasting time arguing till the cows
>> come home, why don't you watch the collision of the ship against the
>> base of the Baltimore Key Bridge? It's all over the internet.
>>
>> Before the collision, the ship appeared to have lost the lights, and
>> then the lights came back on. Then the ship suddenly pulled to the
>> starboard side (right hand side) and impacted the bridge.
>>
>> The only reasonable explanation for the ship suddenly jerking to the
>> starboard side is that the anchor had snared the sea bottom and the
>> anchor chain was thus pulling on the right hand side of the bow,
>> because reportedly the ship had deliberately dropped the anchor.
>>
>>
>
> I guess you know better than the pilot
>

Naturally.

> https://tinyurl.com/3cx5p9bn
>
> A pilot on board the cargo ship that crashed into the Baltimore bridge
> tried to swing it clear of a collision by dropping its port anchor to
> pivot it away, authorities said.

Now you have proven my point, that dropping the anchor can swing the
ship around. Unfortunately the "Homer Simpson" Baltimore harbour pilot
dropped the anchor from the wrong side so the ship pulled towards the
bridge support instead. Maybe he doesn't know which side is called
"port" and which side is called "starboard". Maybe the anchor buttons on
the control panel which have been labeled "left" and "right" instead of
"port" and "starboard" to make it more intuitive for "Homer Simpson"
Baltimore harbour pilots.

Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 11:16 AM:
> On 4/4/2024 10:52 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 8:58 AM:
>>> On 4/4/2024 6:18 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> rbowman wrote on 4/4/2024 1:23 AM:
>>>>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 23:52:58 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The container ship was fine sailing the seven seas until the
>>>>>> Baltimore
>>>>>> harbour pilots laid their hands on it.
>>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/03/26/baltimore-
>>>>>
>>>>> bridge-collapse-ship-dali/73105394007/
>>>>>
>>>>> "The ship in Tuesday's crash, Dali, was involved in at least one
>>>>> prior
>>>>> accident when it collided with a shipping pier in Belgium.
>>>>>
>>>>> That 2016 incident occurred as the Dali was leaving port in
>>>>> Antwerp and
>>>>> struck a loading pier made of stone, causing damage to the ship’s
>>>>> stern,
>>>>> according to VesselFinder.com, a site that tracks ships across the
>>>>> world.
>>>>> An investigation determined a mistake made by the ship’s master
>>>>> and pilot
>>>>> was to blame.
>>>>
>>>> Another pilot mistake. Belgium also hires "Homer Simpson"-type of
>>>> pilots. The "stern" of a ship is the rear-end of the ship.
>>>> Apparently the pilot put the ship in reverse by mistake and
>>>> rear-ended ship against the pier.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently you are wrong again.  Do you know how ships steer? Unlike
>>> a car, it is the the back, not the front.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. A ship's propeller can spin
>> backward, just like your car tire can spin backward when in reverse
>> gear. Are you really that dumb, or merely trying to drive up your
>> number of posts to catch up to Peeler's?
>>
> Ah yes, when proven wrong start with personal attacks and name
> calling. Classy.
>
> Having owned boats, I know how they operate. I KNOW HOW THE REAR END
> SWINGS.

Apparently you have watched many TikTok twerky videos.

#twerking❤️ | TikTok

https://www.tiktok.com/tag/twerking%E2%9D%A4%EF%B8%8F?lang=en

> Show me where the propeller was going in reverse.
>
> Facts is what matters and you have shown none, only your opinion. Ahow
> a cite please.
>
>

Ship propellers can go in reverse. Did they teach you anything in school?

Reversing of Marine Diesel Engine - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CzabMnTOzA

On 4/4/2024 12:00 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 11:22 AM:
>> On 4/4/2024 10:08 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 9:06 AM:
>>
>>>>> An anchored ship always faces the anchor
>>>>>
>>>>> https://maritimesa.org/nautical-science-grade-11/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/10/11.2.4.3_fig_2.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.myseatime.com/blogadm/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/swinging-circle-of-the-ship-at-anchor.jpg
>>>>
>>>> At least you used the word "eventually".  Ships don't pivot very
>>>> fast and the anchor would help stop for forward motion until about
>>>> stopped. Then the currents take over and eventually it will swing
>>>> around.
>>>>
>>>> Once stopped, they can pull the anchor up and drift with the
>>>> currents if that is better at the tine and position.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> People say "a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing". That
>>> applies to you.
>>>
>>> For humanity's sake, instead of wasting time arguing till the cows
>>> come home, why don't you watch the collision of the ship against the
>>> base of the Baltimore Key Bridge? It's all over the internet.
>>>
>>> Before the collision, the ship appeared to have lost the lights, and
>>> then the lights came back on. Then the ship suddenly pulled to the
>>> starboard side (right hand side) and impacted the bridge.
>>>
>>> The only reasonable explanation for the ship suddenly jerking to the
>>> starboard side is that the anchor had snared the sea bottom and the
>>> anchor chain was thus pulling on the right hand side of the bow,
>>> because reportedly the ship had deliberately dropped the anchor.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I guess you know better than the pilot
>>
>
> Naturally.
>
>> https://tinyurl.com/3cx5p9bn
>>
>> A pilot on board the cargo ship that crashed into the Baltimore bridge
>> tried to swing it clear of a collision by dropping its port anchor to
>> pivot it away, authorities said.
>
> Now you have proven my point, that dropping the anchor can swing the
> ship around. Unfortunately the "Homer Simpson" Baltimore harbour pilot
> dropped the anchor from the wrong side so the ship pulled towards the
> bridge support instead. Maybe he doesn't know which side is called
> "port" and which side is called "starboard". Maybe the anchor buttons on
> the control panel which have been labeled "left" and "right" instead of
> "port" and "starboard" to make it more intuitive for "Homer Simpson"
> Baltimore harbour pilots.
>
>
>
No, you've proven you were incorrect. The front of the ship hit, not
the rear that swung around.

You can take courses in boating that explain and demonstrate that sort
of thing.

On 4/4/2024 12:25 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 11:16 AM:
>> On 4/4/2024 10:52 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 8:58 AM:
>>>> On 4/4/2024 6:18 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>> rbowman wrote on 4/4/2024 1:23 AM:
>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 23:52:58 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The container ship was fine sailing the seven seas until the
>>>>>>> Baltimore
>>>>>>> harbour pilots laid their hands on it.
>>>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/03/26/baltimore-
>>>>>> bridge-collapse-ship-dali/73105394007/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The ship in Tuesday's crash, Dali, was involved in at least one
>>>>>> prior
>>>>>> accident when it collided with a shipping pier in Belgium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That 2016 incident occurred as the Dali was leaving port in
>>>>>> Antwerp and
>>>>>> struck a loading pier made of stone, causing damage to the ship’s
>>>>>> stern,
>>>>>> according to VesselFinder.com, a site that tracks ships across the
>>>>>> world.
>>>>>> An investigation determined a mistake made by the ship’s master
>>>>>> and pilot
>>>>>> was to blame.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another pilot mistake. Belgium also hires "Homer Simpson"-type of
>>>>> pilots. The "stern" of a ship is the rear-end of the ship.
>>>>> Apparently the pilot put the ship in reverse by mistake and
>>>>> rear-ended ship against the pier.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently you are wrong again.  Do you know how ships steer? Unlike
>>>> a car, it is the the back, not the front.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. A ship's propeller can spin
>>> backward, just like your car tire can spin backward when in reverse
>>> gear. Are you really that dumb, or merely trying to drive up your
>>> number of posts to catch up to Peeler's?
>>>
>> Ah yes, when proven wrong start with personal attacks and name
>> calling. Classy.
>>
>> Having owned boats, I know how they operate. I KNOW HOW THE REAR END
>> SWINGS.
>
> Apparently you have watched many TikTok twerky videos.
>
> #twerking❤️ | TikTok
>
> https://www.tiktok.com/tag/twerking%E2%9D%A4%EF%B8%8F?lang=en
>
>
>
>> Show me where the propeller was going in reverse.
>>
>> Facts is what matters and you have shown none, only your opinion. Ahow
>> a cite please.
>>
>>
>
>
> Ship propellers can go in reverse. Did they teach you anything in school?
>
> Reversing of Marine Diesel Engine - YouTube
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CzabMnTOzA
>

Yes, but you have not shown that they were reversed. Your seamanship
skills are lacking and making you look silly.

On 4/4/2024 2:35 PM, Ed P wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The ship in Tuesday's crash, Dali, was involved in at least one
>>>>>>> prior
>>>>>>> accident when it collided with a shipping pier in Belgium.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That 2016 incident occurred as the Dali was leaving port in
>>>>>>> Antwerp and
>>>>>>> struck a loading pier made of stone, causing damage to the ship’s
>>>>>>> stern,
>>>>>>> according to VesselFinder.com, a site that tracks ships across
>>>>>>> the world.
>>>>>>> An investigation determined a mistake made by the ship’s master
>>>>>>> and pilot
>>>>>>> was to blame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another pilot mistake. Belgium also hires "Homer Simpson"-type of
>>>>>> pilots. The "stern" of a ship is the rear-end of the ship.
>>>>>> Apparently the pilot put the ship in reverse by mistake and
>>>>>> rear-ended ship against the pier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently you are wrong again.  Do you know how ships steer?
>>>>> Unlike a car, it is the the back, not the front.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. A ship's propeller can spin
>>>> backward, just like your car tire can spin backward when in reverse
>>>> gear. Are you really that dumb, or merely trying to drive up your
>>>> number of posts to catch up to Peeler's?
>>>>
>>> Ah yes, when proven wrong start with personal attacks and name
>>> calling. Classy.
>>>
>>> Having owned boats, I know how they operate. I KNOW HOW THE REAR END
>>> SWINGS.
>>
>> Apparently you have watched many TikTok twerky videos.
>>
>> #twerking❤️ | TikTok
>>
>> https://www.tiktok.com/tag/twerking%E2%9D%A4%EF%B8%8F?lang=en
>>
>>
>>
>>> Show me where the propeller was going in reverse.
>>>
>>> Facts is what matters and you have shown none, only your opinion.
>>> Ahow a cite please.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ship propellers can go in reverse. Did they teach you anything in school?
>>
>> Reversing of Marine Diesel Engine - YouTube
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CzabMnTOzA
>>
>
> Yes, but you have not shown that they were reversed.  Your seamanship
> skills are lacking and making you look silly.
>

Here is a simple thing you can do to learn how the rear of the ship hit
pulling away.

Pretend you are a ship.
Pull into a parking spot and keep your tires right next to the line on
the driver's side. Back out and cut the wheel hard to the right.
Notice how you cross the line, just like a ship steers using rudder.

Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 2:34 PM:
> On 4/4/2024 12:00 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 11:22 AM:
>>> On 4/4/2024 10:08 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 9:06 AM:
>>>
>>>>>> An anchored ship always faces the anchor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://maritimesa.org/nautical-science-grade-11/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/10/11.2.4.3_fig_2.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.myseatime.com/blogadm/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/swinging-circle-of-the-ship-at-anchor.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At least you used the word "eventually".  Ships don't pivot very
>>>>> fast and the anchor would help stop for forward motion until about
>>>>> stopped. Then the currents take over and eventually it will swing
>>>>> around.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once stopped, they can pull the anchor up and drift with the
>>>>> currents if that is better at the tine and position.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> People say "a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing". That
>>>> applies to you.
>>>>
>>>> For humanity's sake, instead of wasting time arguing till the cows
>>>> come home, why don't you watch the collision of the ship against
>>>> the base of the Baltimore Key Bridge? It's all over the internet.
>>>>
>>>> Before the collision, the ship appeared to have lost the lights,
>>>> and then the lights came back on. Then the ship suddenly pulled to
>>>> the starboard side (right hand side) and impacted the bridge.
>>>>
>>>> The only reasonable explanation for the ship suddenly jerking to
>>>> the starboard side is that the anchor had snared the sea bottom and
>>>> the anchor chain was thus pulling on the right hand side of the
>>>> bow, because reportedly the ship had deliberately dropped the anchor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess you know better than the pilot
>>>
>>
>> Naturally.
>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/3cx5p9bn
>>>
>>> A pilot on board the cargo ship that crashed into the Baltimore
>>> bridge tried to swing it clear of a collision by dropping its port
>>> anchor to pivot it away, authorities said.
>>
>> Now you have proven my point, that dropping the anchor can swing the
>> ship around. Unfortunately the "Homer Simpson" Baltimore harbour
>> pilot dropped the anchor from the wrong side so the ship pulled
>> towards the bridge support instead. Maybe he doesn't know which side
>> is called "port" and which side is called "starboard". Maybe the
>> anchor buttons on the control panel which have been labeled "left"
>> and "right" instead of "port" and "starboard" to make it more
>> intuitive for "Homer Simpson" Baltimore harbour pilots.
>>
>>
>>
> No, you've proven you were incorrect.  The front of the ship hit, not
> the rear that swung around.
>

For humanity's sake, watch the freaking video of the ship accident. The
ship suddenly jerked to the right and hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. Of
course it could not totally swing around, you freaking idiot, because
the bridge fell down and trapped it there.

On 4/4/2024 3:05 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 2:34 PM:
>> On 4/4/2024 12:00 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 11:22 AM:
>>>> On 4/4/2024 10:08 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/4/2024 9:06 AM:
>>>>
>>>>>>> An anchored ship always faces the anchor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://maritimesa.org/nautical-science-grade-11/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/10/11.2.4.3_fig_2.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.myseatime.com/blogadm/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/swinging-circle-of-the-ship-at-anchor.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least you used the word "eventually".  Ships don't pivot very
>>>>>> fast and the anchor would help stop for forward motion until about
>>>>>> stopped. Then the currents take over and eventually it will swing
>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once stopped, they can pull the anchor up and drift with the
>>>>>> currents if that is better at the tine and position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> People say "a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing". That
>>>>> applies to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> For humanity's sake, instead of wasting time arguing till the cows
>>>>> come home, why don't you watch the collision of the ship against
>>>>> the base of the Baltimore Key Bridge? It's all over the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before the collision, the ship appeared to have lost the lights,
>>>>> and then the lights came back on. Then the ship suddenly pulled to
>>>>> the starboard side (right hand side) and impacted the bridge.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only reasonable explanation for the ship suddenly jerking to
>>>>> the starboard side is that the anchor had snared the sea bottom and
>>>>> the anchor chain was thus pulling on the right hand side of the
>>>>> bow, because reportedly the ship had deliberately dropped the anchor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess you know better than the pilot
>>>>
>>>
>>> Naturally.
>>>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3cx5p9bn
>>>>
>>>> A pilot on board the cargo ship that crashed into the Baltimore
>>>> bridge tried to swing it clear of a collision by dropping its port
>>>> anchor to pivot it away, authorities said.
>>>
>>> Now you have proven my point, that dropping the anchor can swing the
>>> ship around. Unfortunately the "Homer Simpson" Baltimore harbour
>>> pilot dropped the anchor from the wrong side so the ship pulled
>>> towards the bridge support instead. Maybe he doesn't know which side
>>> is called "port" and which side is called "starboard". Maybe the
>>> anchor buttons on the control panel which have been labeled "left"
>>> and "right" instead of "port" and "starboard" to make it more
>>> intuitive for "Homer Simpson" Baltimore harbour pilots.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> No, you've proven you were incorrect.  The front of the ship hit, not
>> the rear that swung around.
>>
>
> For humanity's sake, watch the freaking video of the ship accident. The
> ship suddenly jerked to the right and hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. Of
> course it could not totally swing around, you freaking idiot, because
> the bridge fell down and trapped it there.
>
>
Oh, I bet you had a erection writing that. Such a classy guy.