Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA who
claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
shipping company hires. What nonsense.

In 1971, I hitchhiked to Panama and while en route I came up with the
plan to get a job on a freighter going back to the USA, What a pipe
dream, Even in 1971, and far more so now I'm sure, if a sailor got sick
or left the crew during a trip, they didn't and don't hire someone they
find where they happen to be. They fly someone in from their home
country, someone they would have hired if they'd known the first guy
wasn't going to finish the trip. And believe it or not, furiners know
how to sail ships.

Another reasons I didnt' get such a job was that few ships make port in
Panama. The vast majority just anchor off shore, do their paperwork,
and traverse the canal. On the one ship I did board, I met a Japanese
guy coming out of the shower with only a towel around him. The only
word I knew in Japanese was Sayonara, but that sounded corny, so I left.
Then a harbor cop noticed me and kicked me off the pier.

I did find someone at the yacht club who would have taken me as a crew
member to California, but he was making long stops along the way, and I
wanted the east coast. The yacht club only got one or two non-local
yachts a day, so I settled for someone who took me from the Atlantic to
the Pacific. Takes about 6 hours.

From there, I had saved $150 to buy a plane ticket home, so I didn't
have to stay there.

micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA who
> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
> shipping company hires. What nonsense.

Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of the
"captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The "pilot"
who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not the captain.
The pilot was hired to do just that, because the pilot knows the water
channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows where the ship should
avoid so that it won't run aground.

Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner of the
ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked for Baltimore.

> In 1971, I hitchhiked to Panama and while en route I came up with the
> plan to get a job on a freighter going back to the USA, What a pipe
> dream, Even in 1971, and far more so now I'm sure, if a sailor got sick
> or left the crew during a trip, they didn't and don't hire someone they
> find where they happen to be. They fly someone in from their home
> country, someone they would have hired if they'd known the first guy
> wasn't going to finish the trip. And believe it or not, furiners know
> how to sail ships.
>
> Another reasons I didnt' get such a job was that few ships make port in
> Panama. The vast majority just anchor off shore, do their paperwork,
> and traverse the canal. On the one ship I did board, I met a Japanese
> guy coming out of the shower with only a towel around him. The only
> word I knew in Japanese was Sayonara, but that sounded corny, so I left.
> Then a harbor cop noticed me and kicked me off the pier.
>
> I did find someone at the yacht club who would have taken me as a crew
> member to California, but he was making long stops along the way, and I
> wanted the east coast. The yacht club only got one or two non-local
> yachts a day, so I settled for someone who took me from the Atlantic to
> the Pacific. Takes about 6 hours.
>
> From there, I had saved $150 to buy a plane ticket home, so I didn't
> have to stay there.

On 4/3/2024 6:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA who
>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>
>
> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of the
> "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The "pilot"
> who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not the captain.
> The pilot was hired to do just that, because the pilot knows the water
> channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows where the ship should
> avoid so that it won't run aground.
>
> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner of the
> ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked for Baltimore.
>
>

That is sort of correct. Unfortunately, the pilot was not steering the
ship. He wanted to, but the rudder was not working. The pilot had no
control over that situation.

I did hear on the news the investigation can take up to two years.

On 4/3/2024 4:51 PM, Ed P wrote:
> On 4/3/2024 6:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA who
>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>
>>
>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of
>> the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The
>> "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not the
>> captain. The pilot was hired to do just that, because the pilot knows
>> the water channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows where the
>> ship should avoid so that it won't run aground.
>>
>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner of
>> the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked for
>> Baltimore.
>>
>>
>
> That is sort of correct.  Unfortunately, the pilot was not steering the
> ship.  He wanted to, but the rudder was not working.  The pilot had no
> control over that situation.
>
> I did hear on the news the investigation can take up to two years.
>

And the lawsuits years more. I read that the ships owner and the
operator have both declared that they are not responsible for any
damage. Will this be fun or what?

On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA who
>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>
>
> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of the
> "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The "pilot"
> who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not the captain.
> The pilot was hired to do just that, because the pilot knows the water
> channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows where the ship should
> avoid so that it won't run aground.
>
> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner of the
> ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked for Baltimore.

The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after it's
power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots fault?

How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there being
trained?

Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA who
>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>
>>
>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of
>> the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The
>> "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not the
>> captain. The pilot was hired to do just that, because the pilot knows
>> the water channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows where
>> the ship should avoid so that it won't run aground.
>>
>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner of
>> the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked for
>> Baltimore.
>
> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after it's
> power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots fault?
>
> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there being
> trained?

The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone else for
the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for third party
liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge collapse) and
property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that fell into the water).

How We Steer A Cargo Ship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U

On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA who
>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of
>>> the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The
>>> "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not the
>>> captain. The pilot was hired to do just that, because the pilot knows
>>> the water channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows where
>>> the ship should avoid so that it won't run aground.
>>>
>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner of
>>> the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked for
>>> Baltimore.
>>
>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after it's
>> power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots fault?
>>
>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there being
>> trained?
>
>
> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone else for
> the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for third party
> liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge collapse) and
> property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that fell into the water).
>
> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>
>
>
He was at the helm, but the helm did not work. Can't pin that on him.

Nice video. Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
running and making power? The ship that hit the bridge did not have
that luxury.

On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 18:02:41 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:

> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of the
> "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The "pilot"
> who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not the captain.

Pilots, actually.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/baltimore-bridge-collapse-puts-
highly-specialized-role-ships-108633203

I haven't seen it stated explicitly but I assume they dropped the tugs at
the normal point where a ship proceeds under its own power. The pilot did
order the anchor to be dropped and tried to get the tugs back to no avail.

I'm no maritime lawyer but I would think the master of the ship has the
responsibility of keeping the vessel in a seaworthy condition.

Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA
>>>>> who
>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of
>>>> the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The
>>>> "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not
>>>> the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that, because the pilot
>>>> knows the water channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows
>>>> where the ship should avoid so that it won't run aground.
>>>>
>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>
>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>> fault?
>>>
>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>> being trained?
>>
>>
>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone else
>> for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for third party
>> liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge collapse) and
>> property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that fell into the water).
>>
>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>
>>
>>
> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on him.
>
> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
> that luxury.

Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed the
power by pushing the wrong button.

On 4/3/2024 9:30 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of
>>>>> the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The
>>>>> "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not
>>>>> the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that, because the pilot
>>>>> knows the water channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows
>>>>> where the ship should avoid so that it won't run aground.
>>>>>
>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>
>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>> fault?
>>>>
>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>> being trained?
>>>
>>>
>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone else
>>> for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for third party
>>> liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge collapse) and
>>> property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that fell into the water).
>>>
>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on him.
>>
>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
>> that luxury.
>
>
> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed the
> power by pushing the wrong button.
>
>
>
No, does not work like that. Not the same as turning off the key in
your car ignition.

On 4/3/2024 6:30 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the USA
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of
>>>>> the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The
>>>>> "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not
>>>>> the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that, because the pilot
>>>>> knows the water channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows
>>>>> where the ship should avoid so that it won't run aground.
>>>>>
>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>
>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>> fault?
>>>>
>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>> being trained?
>>>
>>>
>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone else
>>> for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for third party
>>> liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge collapse) and
>>> property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that fell into the water).
>>>
>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on him.
>>
>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
>> that luxury.
>
>
> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed the
> power by pushing the wrong button.
>

Are you Rod Speed??? You certainly have his stupid know it all attitude.

rbowman wrote on 4/3/2024 9:29 PM:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 18:02:41 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead of the
>> "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key Bridge. The "pilot"
>> who was working for Baltimore was steering the ship, not the captain.
> Pilots, actually.
>
> https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/baltimore-bridge-collapse-puts-highly-specialized-role-ships-108633203
>
> I haven't seen it stated explicitly but I assume they dropped the tugs at
> the normal point where a ship proceeds under its own power. The pilot did
> order the anchor to be dropped and tried to get the tugs back to no avail.
>
> I'm no maritime lawyer but I would think the master of the ship has the
> responsibility of keeping the vessel in a seaworthy condition.

The ship was definitely in seaworthy condition. It traveled here all the
way from the other side of the globe. It broke at the hands of the
Baltimore pilots.

Dropping the anchor was a stupid move. A ship's anchor is not like a
car's brakes. The ship would keep moving forward until the anchor hit
the bottom and snared some giant rocks. And then the anchor chain would
be pulling the bow to one side to spin the ship around (the anchor
hawseholes are at the front end of the ship). Maybe this is the reason
the ship suddenly turned towards the pillar of the Key Bridge. Dropping
the anchor to stop the ship when the ship was still far from the bridge
might have worked, but not when the ship was so close to the support
column of the bridge. Anyways, dropping the anchor will always swing a
ship around.

https://thevisualizerblogs.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/ship-parts.png

Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:51 PM:
> On 4/3/2024 9:30 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead
>>>>>> of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key
>>>>>> Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering
>>>>>> the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that,
>>>>>> because the pilot knows the water channel like the back of his
>>>>>> hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid so that it
>>>>>> won't run aground.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>>> fault?
>>>>>
>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>> being trained?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge
>>>> collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that
>>>> fell into the water).
>>>>
>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on him.
>>>
>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
>>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
>>> that luxury.
>>
>>
>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed
>> the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>
>>
>>
> No, does not work like that.  Not the same as turning off the key in
> your car ignition.

The ship's power went out and came back on. Someone realized the mistake
and corrected it. That's the logical explanation.

Homer Simpson was at the helm.

Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 9:58 PM:
> On 4/3/2024 6:30 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead
>>>>>> of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key
>>>>>> Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering
>>>>>> the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that,
>>>>>> because the pilot knows the water channel like the back of his
>>>>>> hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid so that it
>>>>>> won't run aground.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>>> fault?
>>>>>
>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>> being trained?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge
>>>> collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that
>>>> fell into the water).
>>>>
>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on him.
>>>
>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
>>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
>>> that luxury.
>>
>>
>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed
>> the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>
>
> Are you Rod Speed??? You certainly have his stupid know it all attitude.
>
>

I merely put forward the best, unbiased analysis of what caused the
accident.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:28:36 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
? <@.> wrote:

>Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 9:58 PM:
>> On 4/3/2024 6:30 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead
>>>>>>> of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key
>>>>>>> Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering
>>>>>>> the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that,
>>>>>>> because the pilot knows the water channel like the back of his
>>>>>>> hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid so that it
>>>>>>> won't run aground.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>>>> fault?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>>> being trained?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge
>>>>> collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that
>>>>> fell into the water).
>>>>>
>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on him.
>>>>
>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
>>>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
>>>> that luxury.
>>>
>>>
>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed
>>> the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>
>>
>> Are you Rod Speed??? You certainly have his stupid know it all attitude.
>>
>>
>
>
>I merely put forward the best, unbiased analysis of what caused the
>accident.

Might be unbiased, but definitely not the best analysis.

Other have answered pretty well but since you replied first to my post,
I will take the bait.

If I were driving a Ford with 1000 miles on it, and the rack and pinion
locked up so that I coudlnt' steer it, do you think I would be liable
for the damages that followed or Ford would?

It's the same here. Assuming the engine could have been turned off, and
that the pilot had the power to do that, and he did it, that would make
the pilot and his employer liable. But you have to prove that by a
preponderance of the evidence.

It could also be that the owner of the ship didn't maintain the engines
properly and that caused the engines to stop. That would make the owner
liable.

It could be, I hear, that the fuel they used was bad and that made the
engnine and the electrical generating engines stop. That could make the
vendor of the fuel liable, unless maybe he took the standard amount of
care but someone else not related to the fuel vendor intentionally
damaged the fuel. Or it could be the fuel wholesaler or producer made
bad fuel that fouled the engines.

It could be that none of those parties were negligent but it turns out
the electical generating engines fail at a certain age, and it was that
old but they buyers weren't warned. The maker of the engines might
have known they fail at that age and not warned the buyers, or maybe he
didn't know this.

I'm sure there are other things that could have caused this.

It's not clear from afar, and it's not even clear to those on the scene,
if someone was at fault and if so, who it was.
>
>

On 4/3/2024 10:26 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:51 PM:
>> On 4/3/2024 9:30 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead
>>>>>>> of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key
>>>>>>> Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering
>>>>>>> the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that,
>>>>>>> because the pilot knows the water channel like the back of his
>>>>>>> hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid so that it
>>>>>>> won't run aground.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>>>> fault?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>>> being trained?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge
>>>>> collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that
>>>>> fell into the water).
>>>>>
>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on him.
>>>>
>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
>>>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
>>>> that luxury.
>>>
>>>
>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed
>>> the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> No, does not work like that.  Not the same as turning off the key in
>> your car ignition.
>
> The ship's power went out and came back on. Someone realized the mistake
> and corrected it. That's the logical explanation.
>
> Homer Simpson was at the helm.
>
>
>
>
Have you ever been on a ship? Ever see the power plant?

The pilot did not hit the off button.

I've been on a couple and my brother was an engineer that worked on the
propulsion systems, both diesel and nuclear.

On 4/3/2024 8:06 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:28:36 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
> ? <@.> wrote:
>
>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 9:58 PM:
>>> On 4/3/2024 6:30 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead
>>>>>>>> of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key
>>>>>>>> Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering
>>>>>>>> the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that,
>>>>>>>> because the pilot knows the water channel like the back of his
>>>>>>>> hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid so that it
>>>>>>>> won't run aground.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>>>>> fault?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>>>> being trained?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge
>>>>>> collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that
>>>>>> fell into the water).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
>>>>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
>>>>> that luxury.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed
>>>> the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you Rod Speed??? You certainly have his stupid know it all attitude.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I merely put forward the best, unbiased analysis of what caused the
>> accident.
>
> Might be unbiased, but definitely not the best analysis.
>
> Other have answered pretty well but since you replied first to my post,
> I will take the bait.
>
> If I were driving a Ford with 1000 miles on it, and the rack and pinion
> locked up so that I coudlnt' steer it, do you think I would be liable
> for the damages that followed or Ford would?
>
> It's the same here. Assuming the engine could have been turned off, and
> that the pilot had the power to do that, and he did it, that would make
> the pilot and his employer liable. But you have to prove that by a
> preponderance of the evidence.
>
> It could also be that the owner of the ship didn't maintain the engines
> properly and that caused the engines to stop. That would make the owner
> liable.
>
> It could be, I hear, that the fuel they used was bad and that made the
> engnine and the electrical generating engines stop. That could make the
> vendor of the fuel liable, unless maybe he took the standard amount of
> care but someone else not related to the fuel vendor intentionally
> damaged the fuel. Or it could be the fuel wholesaler or producer made
> bad fuel that fouled the engines.
>
> It could be that none of those parties were negligent but it turns out
> the electical generating engines fail at a certain age, and it was that
> old but they buyers weren't warned. The maker of the engines might
> have known they fail at that age and not warned the buyers, or maybe he
> didn't know this.
>
> I'm sure there are other things that could have caused this.
>
> It's not clear from afar, and it's not even clear to those on the scene,
> if someone was at fault and if so, who it was.

Whoever made the decisions to not properly maintain the essential
equipment needed to control the ships motion?

micky wrote on 4/3/2024 11:06 PM:
> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:28:36 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
> ? <@.> wrote:
>
>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 9:58 PM:
>>> On 4/3/2024 6:30 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead
>>>>>>>> of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key
>>>>>>>> Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering
>>>>>>>> the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that,
>>>>>>>> because the pilot knows the water channel like the back of his
>>>>>>>> hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid so that it
>>>>>>>> won't run aground.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>>>>> fault?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>>>> being trained?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge
>>>>>> collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that
>>>>>> fell into the water).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
>>>>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
>>>>> that luxury.
>>>>
>>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed
>>>> the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>>
>>> Are you Rod Speed??? You certainly have his stupid know it all attitude.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I merely put forward the best, unbiased analysis of what caused the
>> accident.
> Might be unbiased, but definitely not the best analysis.
>
> Other have answered pretty well but since you replied first to my post,
> I will take the bait.
>
> If I were driving a Ford with 1000 miles on it, and the rack and pinion
> locked up so that I coudlnt' steer it, do you think I would be liable
> for the damages that followed or Ford would?

You were driving your own car. How's that relevant to the case of the
Baltimore harbour pilots at the helm of a strange (or not so familiar) ship?

> It's the same here. Assuming the engine could have been turned off, and
> that the pilot had the power to do that, and he did it, that would make
> the pilot and his employer liable. But you have to prove that by a
> preponderance of the evidence.

I think there is a black box in ships like that. I think they got the
hold of the black box.

https://www.businessinsider.com/baltimore-bridge-collapse-cargo-ship-black-box-recovered-2024-3

> It could also be that the owner of the ship didn't maintain the engines
> properly and that caused the engines to stop. That would make the owner
> liable.

It worked fine all over the world until the Baltimore harbour pilots
took over the helm. I'd blame the pilots first.

> It could be, I hear, that the fuel they used was bad and that made the
> engnine and the electrical generating engines stop. That could make the
> vendor of the fuel liable, unless maybe he took the standard amount of
> care but someone else not related to the fuel vendor intentionally
> damaged the fuel. Or it could be the fuel wholesaler or producer made
> bad fuel that fouled the engines.

Bad fuel won't make the power go out and come back on.

> It could be that none of those parties were negligent but it turns out
> the electical generating engines fail at a certain age, and it was that
> old but they buyers weren't warned. The maker of the engines might
> have known they fail at that age and not warned the buyers, or maybe he
> didn't know this.

This does not explain why the power went out and came back on.

> I'm sure there are other things that could have caused this.

Fat finger pushing the wrong button?

>
> It's not clear from afar, and it's not even clear to those on the scene,
> if someone was at fault and if so, who it was.

You keep trying to make excuses for the Baltimore harbour pilots when
their human error is the most likely culprit of this disaster.

Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 11:07 PM:
> On 4/3/2024 10:26 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:51 PM:
>>> On 4/3/2024 9:30 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot"
>>>>>>>> instead of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore
>>>>>>>> Key Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was
>>>>>>>> steering the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do
>>>>>>>> just that, because the pilot knows the water channel like the
>>>>>>>> back of his hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid
>>>>>>>> so that it won't run aground.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or
>>>>>>>> owner of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the
>>>>>>>> ship worked for Baltimore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the
>>>>>>> pilots fault?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>>>> being trained?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the
>>>>>> bridge collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles
>>>>>> that fell into the water).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on
>>>>> him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines
>>>>> were running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did
>>>>> not have that luxury.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally
>>>> killed the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, does not work like that.  Not the same as turning off the key in
>>> your car ignition.
>>
>> The ship's power went out and came back on. Someone realized the
>> mistake and corrected it. That's the logical explanation.
>>
>> Homer Simpson was at the helm.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Have you ever been on a ship?  Ever see the power plant?
>
> The pilot did not hit the off button.

Your psychic power determined that?

>
> I've been on a couple and my brother was an engineer that worked on
> the propulsion systems, both diesel and nuclear.

You mean the control room of a container ship (or a warship) does not
have a button to turn the power on and off? Why? Go down to the belly of
the container ship (or warship) to manually throw the lever switch? What
planet do you live on?

Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 11:13 PM:
> On 4/3/2024 8:06 PM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:28:36 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
>> ? <@.> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 9:58 PM:
>>>> On 4/3/2024 6:30 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead
>>>>>>>>> of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key
>>>>>>>>> Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering
>>>>>>>>> the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that,
>>>>>>>>> because the pilot knows the water channel like the back of his
>>>>>>>>> hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid so that it
>>>>>>>>> won't run aground.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>>>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>>>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>>>>>> fault?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>>>>> being trained?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge
>>>>>>> collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that
>>>>>>> fell into the water).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
>>>>>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
>>>>>> that luxury.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed
>>>>> the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you Rod Speed??? You certainly have his stupid know it all
>>>> attitude.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I merely put forward the best, unbiased analysis of what caused the
>>> accident.
>>
>> Might be unbiased, but definitely not the best analysis.
>>
>> Other have answered pretty well but since you replied first to my post,
>> I will take the bait.
>>
>> If I were driving a Ford with 1000 miles on it, and the rack and pinion
>> locked up so that I coudlnt' steer it, do you think I would be liable
>> for the damages that followed or Ford would?
>>
>> It's the same here.  Assuming the engine could have been turned off, and
>> that the pilot had the power to do that, and he did it, that would make
>> the pilot and his employer liable. But you have to prove that by a
>> preponderance of the evidence.
>>
>> It could also be that the owner of the ship didn't maintain the engines
>> properly and that caused the engines to stop.  That would make the owner
>> liable.
>>
>> It could be, I hear, that the fuel they used was bad and that made the
>> engnine and the electrical generating engines stop. That could make the
>> vendor of the fuel liable, unless maybe he took the standard amount of
>> care but someone else not related to the fuel vendor intentionally
>> damaged the fuel.   Or it could be the fuel wholesaler or producer made
>> bad fuel that fouled the engines.
>>
>> It could be that none of those parties were negligent but it turns out
>> the electical generating engines fail at a certain age, and it was that
>> old but they buyers weren't warned.   The maker of the engines might
>> have known they fail at that age and not warned the buyers, or maybe he
>> didn't know this.
>>
>> I'm sure there are other things that could have caused this.
>>
>> It's not clear from afar, and it's not even clear to those on the scene,
>> if someone was at fault and if so, who it was.
>
> Whoever made the decisions to not properly maintain the essential
> equipment needed to control the ships motion?
>

The container ship was fine sailing the seven seas until the Baltimore
harbour pilots laid their hands on it.

On 4/3/2024 11:47 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 11:07 PM:
>> On 4/3/2024 10:26 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:51 PM:
>>>> On 4/3/2024 9:30 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot"
>>>>>>>>> instead of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore
>>>>>>>>> Key Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was
>>>>>>>>> steering the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do
>>>>>>>>> just that, because the pilot knows the water channel like the
>>>>>>>>> back of his hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid
>>>>>>>>> so that it won't run aground.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or
>>>>>>>>> owner of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the
>>>>>>>>> ship worked for Baltimore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the
>>>>>>>> pilots fault?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>>>>> being trained?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the
>>>>>>> bridge collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles
>>>>>>> that fell into the water).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines
>>>>>> were running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did
>>>>>> not have that luxury.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally
>>>>> killed the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No, does not work like that.  Not the same as turning off the key in
>>>> your car ignition.
>>>
>>> The ship's power went out and came back on. Someone realized the
>>> mistake and corrected it. That's the logical explanation.
>>>
>>> Homer Simpson was at the helm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Have you ever been on a ship?  Ever see the power plant?
>>
>> The pilot did not hit the off button.
>
> Your psychic power determined that?

No, my knowledge of ships did.

>
>>
>> I've been on a couple and my brother was an engineer that worked on
>> the propulsion systems, both diesel and nuclear.
>
> You mean the control room of a container ship (or a warship) does not
> have a button to turn the power on and off? Why? Go down to the belly of
> the container ship (or warship) to manually throw the lever switch? What
> planet do you live on?
>

Did I say they had to go down?

Show me the button.

On 4/3/2024 8:36 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 11:06 PM:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:28:36 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
>> ? <@.> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 9:58 PM:
>>>> On 4/3/2024 6:30 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked down in
>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who the
>>>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead
>>>>>>>>> of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key
>>>>>>>>> Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering
>>>>>>>>> the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that,
>>>>>>>>> because the pilot knows the water channel like the back of his
>>>>>>>>> hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid so that it
>>>>>>>>> won't run aground.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or owner
>>>>>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship worked
>>>>>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>>>>>> fault?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>>>>> being trained?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the bridge
>>>>>>> collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that
>>>>>>> fell into the water).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that on
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines were
>>>>>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not have
>>>>>> that luxury.
>>>>>
>>>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed
>>>>> the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>>>
>>>> Are you Rod Speed??? You certainly have his stupid know it all
>>>> attitude.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I merely put forward the best, unbiased analysis of what caused the
>>> accident.
>> Might be unbiased, but definitely not the best analysis.
>>
>> Other have answered pretty well but since you replied first to my post,
>> I will take the bait.
>>
>> If I were driving a Ford with 1000 miles on it, and the rack and pinion
>> locked up so that I coudlnt' steer it, do you think I would be liable
>> for the damages that followed or Ford would?
>
> You were driving your own car. How's that relevant to the case of the
> Baltimore harbour pilots at the helm of a strange (or not so familiar)
> ship?
>
>
>> It's the same here.  Assuming the engine could have been turned off, and
>> that the pilot had the power to do that, and he did it, that would make
>> the pilot and his employer liable. But you have to prove that by a
>> preponderance of the evidence.
>
> I think there is a black box in ships like that. I think they got the
> hold of the black box.
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/baltimore-bridge-collapse-cargo-ship-black-box-recovered-2024-3
>
>> It could also be that the owner of the ship didn't maintain the engines
>> properly and that caused the engines to stop.  That would make the owner
>> liable.
>
> It worked fine all over the world until the Baltimore harbour pilots
> took over the helm. I'd blame the pilots first.

I'd blame you before the pilots. Especially the trainee one.

Obviosely, this ship had a maintenance problem.

>
>
>> It could be, I hear, that the fuel they used was bad and that made the
>> engnine and the electrical generating engines stop. That could make the
>> vendor of the fuel liable, unless maybe he took the standard amount of
>> care but someone else not related to the fuel vendor intentionally
>> damaged the fuel.   Or it could be the fuel wholesaler or producer made
>> bad fuel that fouled the engines.
>
> Bad fuel won't make the power go out and come back on.
>
>
>> It could be that none of those parties were negligent but it turns out
>> the electical generating engines fail at a certain age, and it was that
>> old but they buyers weren't warned.   The maker of the engines might
>> have known they fail at that age and not warned the buyers, or maybe he
>> didn't know this.
>
> This does not explain why the power went out and came back on.
>
>> I'm sure there are other things that could have caused this.
>
> Fat finger pushing the wrong button?

You actually think the pilots are pushing the buttons?????

Does the captain push the buttons?

"Basically, captains do not steer ships. There is a helmsman, usually an
able bodied seaman, that handles the wheel when maneuvering in a narrow
channel. The helmsman executes helm orders from an officer. The captain
gives helm and engine orders usually when approaching a channel to a
port from the sea."

>
>
>>
>> It's not clear from afar, and it's not even clear to those on the scene,
>> if someone was at fault and if so, who it was.
>
>
> You keep trying to make excuses for the Baltimore harbour pilots when
> their human error is the most likely culprit of this disaster.
>
>
>

Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 11:54 PM:
> On 4/3/2024 8:36 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 11:06 PM:
>>> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:28:36 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
>>> ? <@.> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 9:58 PM:
>>>>> On 4/3/2024 6:30 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked
>>>>>>>>>>> down in
>>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around the
>>>>>>>>>>> USA who
>>>>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot" instead
>>>>>>>>>> of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the Baltimore Key
>>>>>>>>>> Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for Baltimore was steering
>>>>>>>>>> the ship, not the captain. The pilot was hired to do just that,
>>>>>>>>>> because the pilot knows the water channel like the back of his
>>>>>>>>>> hand. The pilot knows where the ship should avoid so that it
>>>>>>>>>> won't run aground.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or
>>>>>>>>>> owner
>>>>>>>>>> of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the ship
>>>>>>>>>> worked
>>>>>>>>>> for Baltimore.
>>>>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge, after
>>>>>>>>> it's power systems failed. You actually think that was the pilots
>>>>>>>>> fault?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was there
>>>>>>>>> being trained?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the
>>>>>>>> bridge
>>>>>>>> collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the vehicles that
>>>>>>>> fell into the water).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that
>>>>>>> on him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did not
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> that luxury.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally killed
>>>>>> the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Are you Rod Speed??? You certainly have his stupid know it all
>>>>> attitude.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I merely put forward the best, unbiased analysis of what caused the
>>>> accident.
>>> Might be unbiased, but definitely not the best analysis.
>>>
>>> Other have answered pretty well but since you replied first to my post,
>>> I will take the bait.
>>>
>>> If I were driving a Ford with 1000 miles on it, and the rack and pinion
>>> locked up so that I coudlnt' steer it, do you think I would be liable
>>> for the damages that followed or Ford would?
>>
>> You were driving your own car. How's that relevant to the case of the
>> Baltimore harbour pilots at the helm of a strange (or not so
>> familiar) ship?
>>
>>
>>> It's the same here.  Assuming the engine could have been turned off,
>>> and
>>> that the pilot had the power to do that, and he did it, that would make
>>> the pilot and his employer liable. But you have to prove that by a
>>> preponderance of the evidence.
>>
>> I think there is a black box in ships like that. I think they got the
>> hold of the black box.
>>
>> https://www.businessinsider.com/baltimore-bridge-collapse-cargo-ship-black-box-recovered-2024-3
>>
>>
>>> It could also be that the owner of the ship didn't maintain the engines
>>> properly and that caused the engines to stop.  That would make the
>>> owner
>>> liable.
>>
>> It worked fine all over the world until the Baltimore harbour pilots
>> took over the helm. I'd blame the pilots first.
>
> I'd blame you before the pilots. Especially the trainee one.
>
> Obviosely, this ship had a maintenance problem.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>> It could be, I hear, that the fuel they used was bad and that made the
>>> engnine and the electrical generating engines stop. That could make the
>>> vendor of the fuel liable, unless maybe he took the standard amount of
>>> care but someone else not related to the fuel vendor intentionally
>>> damaged the fuel.   Or it could be the fuel wholesaler or producer made
>>> bad fuel that fouled the engines.
>>
>> Bad fuel won't make the power go out and come back on.
>>
>>
>>> It could be that none of those parties were negligent but it turns out
>>> the electical generating engines fail at a certain age, and it was that
>>> old but they buyers weren't warned.   The maker of the engines might
>>> have known they fail at that age and not warned the buyers, or maybe he
>>> didn't know this.
>>
>> This does not explain why the power went out and came back on.
>>
>>> I'm sure there are other things that could have caused this.
>>
>> Fat finger pushing the wrong button?
>
> You actually think the pilots are pushing the buttons?????
>
> Does the captain push the buttons?
>
> "Basically, captains do not steer ships. There is a helmsman, usually
> an able bodied seaman, that handles the wheel when maneuvering in a
> narrow channel. The helmsman executes helm orders from an officer. The
> captain gives helm and engine orders usually when approaching a
> channel to a port from the sea."
>

That might be the case for an American aircraft carrier with 5,000
sailors on-board. Modern container ships operate on minimum staff. There
is no reason not to have a button on the bridge to cut power. Everything
is fly-by-wire on a gigantic container ship like that.

When piloting a ship to navigate a channel to avoid underwater
obstacles, the most efficient way is for the pilot to personally turn
the wheel instead of the pilot telling another person to turn the wheel.

Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 11:53 PM:
> On 4/3/2024 11:47 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 11:07 PM:
>>> On 4/3/2024 10:26 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:51 PM:
>>>>> On 4/3/2024 9:30 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked
>>>>>>>>>>> down in
>>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around
>>>>>>>>>>> the USA who
>>>>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot"
>>>>>>>>>> instead of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the
>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore Key Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for
>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore was steering the ship, not the captain. The pilot
>>>>>>>>>> was hired to do just that, because the pilot knows the water
>>>>>>>>>> channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows where the
>>>>>>>>>> ship should avoid so that it won't run aground.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or
>>>>>>>>>> owner of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the
>>>>>>>>>> ship worked for Baltimore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge,
>>>>>>>>> after it's power systems failed. You actually think that was
>>>>>>>>> the pilots fault?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was
>>>>>>>>> there being trained?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the
>>>>>>>> bridge collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the
>>>>>>>> vehicles that fell into the water).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that
>>>>>>> on him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines
>>>>>>> were running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did
>>>>>>> not have that luxury.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally
>>>>>> killed the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, does not work like that.  Not the same as turning off the key
>>>>> in your car ignition.
>>>>
>>>> The ship's power went out and came back on. Someone realized the
>>>> mistake and corrected it. That's the logical explanation.
>>>>
>>>> Homer Simpson was at the helm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Have you ever been on a ship?  Ever see the power plant?
>>>
>>> The pilot did not hit the off button.
>>
>> Your psychic power determined that?
>
> No, my knowledge of ships did.
>
>>
>>>
>>> I've been on a couple and my brother was an engineer that worked on
>>> the propulsion systems, both diesel and nuclear.
>>
>> You mean the control room of a container ship (or a warship) does not
>> have a button to turn the power on and off? Why? Go down to the belly
>> of the container ship (or warship) to manually throw the lever
>> switch? What planet do you live on?
>>
>
> Did I say they had to go down?
>
> Show me the button.
>

This ain't WWII. Everything is fly-by-wire now. The control room of a
container ship can control everything just from that room.

On 4/4/2024 12:20 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 11:53 PM:
>> On 4/3/2024 11:47 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 11:07 PM:
>>>> On 4/3/2024 10:26 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:51 PM:
>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 9:30 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>> Ed P wrote on 4/3/2024 9:05 PM:
>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 8:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Bob F wrote on 4/3/2024 7:59 PM:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 3:02 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> micky wrote on 4/3/2024 9:46 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't find the thread about the Key Bridge being knocked
>>>>>>>>>>>> down in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, but wanted to comment on the racist pigs around
>>>>>>>>>>>> the USA who
>>>>>>>>>>>> claimed it had something to do with seeking diversity in who
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping company hires.   What nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Did you notice that the news kept mentioning the "pilot"
>>>>>>>>>>> instead of the "captain"? The captain didn't hit the
>>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore Key Bridge. The "pilot" who was working for
>>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore was steering the ship, not the captain. The pilot
>>>>>>>>>>> was hired to do just that, because the pilot knows the water
>>>>>>>>>>> channel like the back of his hand. The pilot knows where the
>>>>>>>>>>> ship should avoid so that it won't run aground.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore authorities cannot sue the captain of the ship or
>>>>>>>>>>> owner of the ship, because the "pilot" who was steering the
>>>>>>>>>>> ship worked for Baltimore.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The pilot did not hit the bridge, the ship hit the bridge,
>>>>>>>>>> after it's power systems failed. You actually think that was
>>>>>>>>>> the pilots fault?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How would you like to have been the second pilot, who was
>>>>>>>>>> there being trained?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. Good luck blaming anyone
>>>>>>>>> else for the accident. The US will have to pick up the tab for
>>>>>>>>> third party liability (people hurt/killed as a result of the
>>>>>>>>> bridge collapse) and property damage (the bridge and the
>>>>>>>>> vehicles that fell into the water).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How We Steer A Cargo Ship
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-wFfPm37U
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He was at the helm, but the helm did not work.  Can't pin that
>>>>>>>> on him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice video.  Did you notice in the last minute that the engines
>>>>>>>> were running and making power?  The ship that hit the bridge did
>>>>>>>> not have that luxury.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Baltimore's pilot was at the helm. He might have accidentally
>>>>>>> killed the power by pushing the wrong button.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, does not work like that.  Not the same as turning off the key
>>>>>> in your car ignition.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ship's power went out and came back on. Someone realized the
>>>>> mistake and corrected it. That's the logical explanation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Homer Simpson was at the helm.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Have you ever been on a ship?  Ever see the power plant?
>>>>
>>>> The pilot did not hit the off button.
>>>
>>> Your psychic power determined that?
>>
>> No, my knowledge of ships did.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been on a couple and my brother was an engineer that worked on
>>>> the propulsion systems, both diesel and nuclear.
>>>
>>> You mean the control room of a container ship (or a warship) does not
>>> have a button to turn the power on and off? Why? Go down to the belly
>>> of the container ship (or warship) to manually throw the lever
>>> switch? What planet do you live on?
>>>
>>
>> Did I say they had to go down?
>>
>> Show me the button.
>>
>
> This ain't WWII. Everything is fly-by-wire now. The control room of a
> container ship can control everything just from that room.
>
>
>
Show me the button