In article <9p4qtidg6p3n01ivv3pobok1634jvq4u19@4ax.com>, NONONOmisc07
@fmguy.com says...
>
> In an episode of Adam 12, set in LA decades ago, one of the cops said
> they had a policy of getting rid of cars after 80,000 miles.
>
>

I was in a small town of around 30,000 people at the time. They ran the
police cars to it cost more to repair than they were worth. If they
lasted over 100,000 miles they probably had half that much run time at
the local eating place.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:25:55 -0500, hubops wrote:

> East Coast in Canada is the Maritimes - best place & best people
> anywhere - hands down.

Even the Newfies? I've never been there but I have been in NB and NS and
agree. Even the Gaspe isn't bad.

'East Coast' is too general even in the US. Maine, New Hampshire, and
Vermont are relatively sane even if VT doesn't have a coast and NH doesn't
have much.

> I well remember the hotels of the '70s - the mens room or
> beverage room was for drinking and maybe a dart board.
> Pickled eggs & sausages at the bar. They seldom asked for ID.

That's the sort of place I had in mind although I don't think it was
actually a hotel. The other oddity at the time was you could only get a
drink with a meal on Sunday. Bring me a pickled sausage and keep the beer
coming.

NYS had a similar deal, leading to those packets of salt herring stapled
to cardboard that nobody in their right mind would eat (except New Years
Eve when a blind robin brought good luck). 'Sure we serve food!'

> Disco helped kill those places in the '80s .

Disco killed a lot of things.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 18:26:06 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I have an internet-ready stove. I simply failed to tell it my WiFi
> password. I'm sure it's desperately lonely.

My stove is almost as old as I am. The only thing it asks for is a propane
connection. Despite the recent concerns it hasn't killed me yet. It isn't
smart enough to turn itself off so I sometimes have haute cuisine
blackened whatever. I took the battery out of the smoke detector about 30
years ago.

The IoT fascinates me in its technical aspects and what can be done with
local ML but it also scares me. Pandora's box and all that.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 19:36:35 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> Nah, it just connected to your neighbors unsecure wifi SSID. Or
> connected to a non-advertised private SSID run by the NSA .

The NSA would never, never do a thing like that. Would they?

I think people are getting a little more sophisticated. Years ago I was at
my brother's and turned on my laptop to look at a locally stored map. I
realized it had connected. My brother had a wired connection and when I
asked him about wifi he looked puzzled. I guess I was leeching off some
neighbor.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 22:00:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Ah, the NSA. I figure they're watching and listening through the TV.
> When I give my husband a motorboat every evening, I figure the NSA guys
> are tossing their cookies.

When I was a kid there was a local kids' show where Miss Glendora alleged
she could see her audience via the TV. It's not nice to set a 5 year old
kid up for a lifetime of paranoia. Santa Claus, God, your guardian angel,
and all the rest of the creepy entities watching as you got up to no good,
plus all the adults who could read minds.

Seventy years later it's pretty much reality.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 13:20:54 -0500, Frank wrote:

> Site I worked out took precautions to a fault. A delivery truck even if
> parked on a slope had to have wheels chocked. Big problem was
> contractors but we did have one working on a building expansion that
> parked a dump truck on a slope and unattended rolled into four cars in
> our parking lot.

For a really bad feeling I stopped on the pass between Montana and Idaho
with a semi to take a leak. I pulled the big red button that dumped the
air, got out, and was doing my thing with one hand resting on the side of
the trailer when I realized the whole mess was inching its way downhill.
It didn't seem that icy when I walked around the truck.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:57:55 -0500, Ed P wrote:

> I'd find that annoying and intrusive. OTOH, if cars were limited to 100
> mph, I'd have no problem with that. Every week you read about cars
> speeding at 140, accidents at 120, chases well over 100.

Most of Montana didn't have a daytime speed limit until 2000. I'll admit I
wasn't too keen on threading my way on a bike through a gaggle of soccer
moms in SUVs doing 100+. 70 or 80 is fine by me.

It's interesting that I90 is 80 except where it passes through a city and
most people drive 80. If I95 were posted at 80 the traffic would be moving
at 95. California is the same. Drive the limit and you're going to get run
over.

On 2/26/2024 6:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:57:55 -0500, Ed P wrote:
>
>> I'd find that annoying and intrusive. OTOH, if cars were limited to 100
>> mph, I'd have no problem with that. Every week you read about cars
>> speeding at 140, accidents at 120, chases well over 100.
>
> Most of Montana didn't have a daytime speed limit until 2000. I'll admit I
> wasn't too keen on threading my way on a bike through a gaggle of soccer
> moms in SUVs doing 100+. 70 or 80 is fine by me.
>
> It's interesting that I90 is 80 except where it passes through a city and
> most people drive 80. If I95 were posted at 80 the traffic would be moving
> at 95. California is the same. Drive the limit and you're going to get run
> over.

Sometimes the police can be a benefit. Coming down I75 after already
about 9 hours on the road, traffic was getting heavier and slower.
State trooper was clearing the left lane at about 80 so a few of us got
behind him for a good 20 miles and it was smooth going.

I do I95 a few times a year from FL to MA and 80 is comfy for most of it.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 22:03:16 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On 26 Feb 2024 02:06:02 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 16:25:01 -0500, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>
>>> In Toronto, Canada, it is illegal to idle more than one minute in a
>>> 60-minute period;
>>
>>Does everyone turn their engines off at stop lights? Toronto has almost
>>three times as many people as this entire state so I assume sitting at
>>traffic lights is a thing. Even here if I go into the downtown area I
>>spend more than a minute an hour sitting and idling.
>>
>>When did Canada stick its head so far up its ass? It used to be a pleasant
>>place.
>>
>
> It bears stating Toronto isn't Canada and more importantly
> Canada isn't Toronto.
> John T.
Here in Kitchener/Waterloo our anti-idling bylaw says that you must
turn off your vehicle after three consecutive minutes of idling,
unless in traffic. If the temperature outside a vehicle is above 27°C
or below 5°C, this bylaw does not apply.
However there ARE No-Idling zones - places like in front of the
hospital and close to other building entrances where idling (for more
than 30 seconds? when parked) is not allowed under ANY circumstances.

There was talk of banning new drive-through lanes at restaurants but
with a "timmy's" on every second corner, and just about every other
fast foor restaurant also having drive - throughs THAT didn't go very
far - - - - .

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 10:03:09 -0500, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

>In article <urhuq6$2h50m$1@dont-email.me>, "frank "@frank.net says...
>>
>> IMHO the biggest offenders of idling are government workers. We have
>> all seen police sitting around in their cars for lengthy periods with
>> the engine running. With today's electronics the excuse of needing to
>> run the engine for them is probably not true.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Years ago the local police would leave their cars running while they
>went into the food place to eat lunch. Not sure if they still do or
>not.
>One city policeman told me that he got behind a man that was going about
>10 mph over the 35 mph speed limit and decided to pull him over. When
>he turned on the blue light the man was in a 45 mph speed zone and
>speeded up about 10 mph. The cop car would not go any faster than about
>40 mph. While the car being chased did not actually try to get away it
>did and the driver probably never thought he was being pulled over.
>Those cars probably had so much carbon built up in them the engine could
>hardly run. Maybe it was the spark plugs fouling out due to all the
>iddling time and many of those cars had ovre 100,000 miles on them back
>in the middle 1960's.
In our small town the cruisers never had a chance to carbon up. The
327 Rambler and the 350 Pontiac were both known to have been seen
with a cloud of black smoke behind them as one of the constables
booted it out of town, with his right foot trying to go through the
floor on a not-too-busy night - not to mention when it was in for an
oil change or tune-up or tire change or any other excuse for the
mechanic at the garage to take it for a test drive. The young fellows
in town all knew just how fast their cars had to be to NOT be
overtaken by the cruiser - and the Rambler was faster than the Poncho
that replaced it and faster than anything I owned at the time
(including my "hot" Valiant)

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:48:53 -0500, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

>In article <9p4qtidg6p3n01ivv3pobok1634jvq4u19@4ax.com>, NONONOmisc07
>@fmguy.com says...
>>
>> In an episode of Adam 12, set in LA decades ago, one of the cops said
>> they had a policy of getting rid of cars after 80,000 miles.
>>
>>
>
>I was in a small town of around 30,000 people at the time. They ran the
>police cars to it cost more to repair than they were worth. If they
>lasted over 100,000 miles they probably had half that much run time at
>the local eating place.
I doubt our local cruisers back then ever went over 6 years or ever
got CLOSE to 100,000 miles and there was always a market for them when
they were retired. Only the OPP cruisers would have gotten any kind of
high mileage on them but the local cruisers DID get a fair amount of
idling time.
A lot of ex cruisers ended up doing Taxi duty for a number of years
after retirement, racking up the miles (and hours of idling time)

On 2/25/24 19:03, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2024 02:06:02 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 16:25:01 -0500, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>
>>> In Toronto, Canada, it is illegal to idle more than one minute in a
>>> 60-minute period;
>>
>> Does everyone turn their engines off at stop lights? Toronto has almost
>> three times as many people as this entire state so I assume sitting at
>> traffic lights is a thing. Even here if I go into the downtown area I
>> spend more than a minute an hour sitting and idling.
>>
>> When did Canada stick its head so far up its ass? It used to be a pleasant
>> place.
>>
>
> It bears stating Toronto isn't Canada and more importantly
> Canada isn't Toronto.
> John T.

Oh ya. I have noticed. The rest of Canada is
really swell folks. Toronto (the French Canada)
is, putting it nicely, condescending jerks.

On 26 Feb 2024 22:53:56 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Even the Newfies? I've never been there but

I know, but you can blather and gossip about it anyway, you abnormal
bigmouth. LOL

--
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intentions:
"At the onset all Germany wanted was to build a road to East Prussia which
had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig Corridor."
MID: <kabnetFft5qU17@mid.individual.net>

On 26 Feb 2024 23:14:00 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> When I was a kid

Oh, no! Not yet more thrilling details from your thrilling life, senile
bigmouth! <tsk>

--
And yet another "cool" line from the resident bigmouthed all-American
superhero:
"I was working on the roof when the cat came up the ladder to see what I
was doing. Cats do not do well going down aluminum ladders."
MID: <k9roshF2rjdU1@mid.individual.net>

On 26 Feb 2024 23:09:06 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> The NSA would never, never do a thing like that. Would they?
>
> I think people are getting a little more sophisticated. Years ago I was at
> my brother's and

Oh, fuck! The self-admiring gossip is at it again...

<FLUSH the inevitable self-admiring senile crap unread>

--
And yet another idiotic "cool" line, this time about the UK, from the
resident bigmouthed all-American superhero:
"You could dump the entire 93,628 square miles in eastern Montana and only
the prairie dogs would notice."
MID: <ka2vrlF6c5uU1@mid.individual.net>

On 26 Feb 2024 23:04:44 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> My stove is almost as old as I am. The only thing it asks for is a propane
> connection. Despite the recent concerns it hasn't killed me yet. It isn't
> smart enough to turn itself off so I sometimes have haute cuisine
> blackened whatever. I took the battery out of the smoke detector about 30
> years ago.
>
> The IoT fascinates me in its technical aspects and what can be done with
> local ML but it also scares me. Pandora's box and all that.

You abnormally big mouth indeed is fascinating! I BET you've been in
psychiatric treatment repeatedly because of it, you pathological
self-admiring senile blabbermouth! <tsk>

--
More of the resident bigmouth's usual idiotic babble and gossip:
I'm not saying my father and uncle wouldn't have drank Genesee beer
without Miss Genny but it certainly didn't hurt. Stanton's was the
hometown brewery but it closed in '50. There was a Schaefer brewery in
Albany but their product was considered a step up from cat piss.

My preference was Rheingold on tap"

MID: <k9mnmmF9emhU1@mid.individual.net>

On 26 Feb 2024 23:18:55 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> For a really bad feeling I stopped on the pass between Montana and Idaho
> with a semi to take a leak. I pulled the big red button that dumped the
> air, got out, and was doing my thing with one hand resting on the side of
> the trailer when I realized the whole mess was inching its way downhill.
> It didn't seem that icy when I walked around the truck.

Just WTF is WRONG with this abnormal self-admiring bigmouth? Are you on
meds? ...or OFF your meds? LOL

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
"It's been years since I've been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy's because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes."
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

On 26 Feb 2024 23:26:56 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Most of Montana didn't have a daytime speed limit until 2000. I'll admit I
> wasn't too keen on threading my way on a bike through a gaggle of soccer
> moms in SUVs doing 100+. 70 or 80 is fine by me.
>
> It's interesting that I90 is 80 except where it passes through a city and
> most people drive 80. If I95 were posted at 80 the traffic would be moving
> at 95. California is the same. Drive the limit and you're going to get run
> over.

Yeah, but what to do with your big mouth that will still continue babbling
and gossiping?

--
More of the senile gossip's absolutely idiotic senile blather:
"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn't do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
'We keep God's time in Virginia.'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while."

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>

On 2024-02-26, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 22:00:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Ah, the NSA. I figure they're watching and listening through the TV.
>> When I give my husband a motorboat every evening, I figure the NSA guys
>> are tossing their cookies.
>
> When I was a kid there was a local kids' show where Miss Glendora alleged
> she could see her audience via the TV. It's not nice to set a 5 year old
> kid up for a lifetime of paranoia. Santa Claus, God, your guardian angel,
> and all the rest of the creepy entities watching as you got up to no good,
> plus all the adults who could read minds.
>
> Seventy years later it's pretty much reality.

I remember about 30 years ago on Usenet there was some sad nutbar
who wanted everybody to put a lit candle between themselves and the
TV so the gubmint couldn't spy on them.

Nowadays, people voluntarily put so much information out there, all
you have to do is write a bot to trawl through the various social
media and aggregate what you find.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-02-26, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:57:55 -0500, Ed P wrote:
>
>> I'd find that annoying and intrusive. OTOH, if cars were limited to 100
>> mph, I'd have no problem with that. Every week you read about cars
>> speeding at 140, accidents at 120, chases well over 100.
>
> Most of Montana didn't have a daytime speed limit until 2000. I'll admit I
> wasn't too keen on threading my way on a bike through a gaggle of soccer
> moms in SUVs doing 100+. 70 or 80 is fine by me.
>
> It's interesting that I90 is 80 except where it passes through a city and
> most people drive 80. If I95 were posted at 80 the traffic would be moving
> at 95. California is the same. Drive the limit and you're going to get run
> over.

Michigan, too. We all customarily drive 10 over the limit; a few
drive faster.

I was ticketed on I94 during a local fundraiser, so on that stretch I
set my cruise control for 70 and drive in the right-hand lane with
the trucks.

--
Cindy Hamilton

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 27 Feb 2024 10:45:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

>
>I remember about 30 years ago on Usenet there was some sad nutbar
>who wanted everybody to put a lit candle between themselves and the
>TV so the gubmint couldn't spy on them.

Darn, I missed that post. How big a candle do you need? Surely those
little birthday cake candles wouldn't be enough. Or would they? I'm
tired of the gubmint spying on me.
>
>Nowadays, people voluntarily put so much information out there, all
>you have to do is write a bot to trawl through the various social
>media and aggregate what you find.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 27 Feb 2024 00:46:38 -0500, Clare Snyder
<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

>
> Here in Kitchener/Waterloo our anti-idling bylaw says that you must

I didn't know where in Canada you lived before now In 1967. a couple
friends and I drove from Chicago to Expo '67 in Montreal, and we must
have gone through Kitchener. By the time we passed through Detroit,
it was dark and somehwere in Canada, my oil pressure guage started
dipping almost down to zero for short periods. I wanted to buy oil but
saw no gas stations. I thought of parking and waiting until dawn when I
could get help from a passing car, but didn't like that idea. So we
drove I think 2 hours with the needle dipping down almost to zero.

Finally bought oil and never had trouble with the car. 1950 Olds 88,
4-door.

>turn off your vehicle after three consecutive minutes of idling,
>unless in traffic. If the temperature outside a vehicle is above 27°C
>or below 5°C, this bylaw does not apply.
> However there ARE No-Idling zones - places like in front of the
>hospital and close to other building entrances where idling (for more
>than 30 seconds? when parked) is not allowed under ANY circumstances.
>
>There was talk of banning new drive-through lanes at restaurants but
>with a "timmy's" on every second corner, and just about every other
>fast foor restaurant also having drive - throughs THAT didn't go very
>far - - - - .

In article <m5jDN.134970$46Te.100453@fx38.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
>
> > It's interesting that I90 is 80 except where it passes through a city and
> > most people drive 80. If I95 were posted at 80 the traffic would be moving
> > at 95. California is the same. Drive the limit and you're going to get run
> > over.
>
> Michigan, too. We all customarily drive 10 over the limit; a few
> drive faster.
>
>
>

Charlotte NC is about40 miles from me and I seldom go there. Last time
I was on the interstate 4 lane. i was in the 2nd land on the slow side
and there were 2 'fast' lanes to my left. I was barely keeping up with
the slow traffic. Speed limit was 65 and I was doing 80 and the fast
lane was passing me . I don't know if there are any cops checking for
speeders but it sure seems like there are none.

Most cars around here are just under 10 mph over the speed limit, but as
usual there are always some going faster.

In article <9jortipeoud9gtcpkj5fq960i02bnnfgag@4ax.com>, NONONOmisc07
@fmguy.com says...
>
> >turn off your vehicle after three consecutive minutes of idling,
> >unless in traffic. If the temperature outside a vehicle is above 27°C
> >or below 5°C, this bylaw does not apply.
> > However there ARE No-Idling zones - places like in front of the
> >hospital and close to other building entrances where idling (for more
> >than 30 seconds? when parked) is not allowed under ANY circumstances.
>
>

i have not seen any idling laws in Nc but did see a list of states and
on it was NC for 5 min. Some cities have laws about leaving your car
while it is running. Mainly due to them getting stolen while the driver
is not in the car.

micky wrote on 2/27/2024 8:27 AM:
> In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 27 Feb 2024 00:46:38 -0500, Clare Snyder
> <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
>> Here in Kitchener/Waterloo our anti-idling bylaw says that you must
> I didn't know where in Canada you lived before now In 1967. a couple
> friends and I drove from Chicago to Expo '67 in Montreal, and we must
> have gone through Kitchener. By the time we passed through Detroit,
> it was dark and somehwere in Canada, my oil pressure guage started
> dipping almost down to zero for short periods. I wanted to buy oil but
> saw no gas stations. I thought of parking and waiting until dawn when I
> could get help from a passing car, but didn't like that idea. So we
> drove I think 2 hours with the needle dipping down almost to zero.
>
> Finally bought oil and never had trouble with the car. 1950 Olds 88,
> 4-door.

Canada has superior motor oil. Good for you. The oil company in those
days, now called "Petro-Canada", was a socialistic Crown corporation
(state-owned) when you came by in 1967.

>> turn off your vehicle after three consecutive minutes of idling,
>> unless in traffic. If the temperature outside a vehicle is above 27°C
>> or below 5°C, this bylaw does not apply.
>> However there ARE No-Idling zones - places like in front of the
>> hospital and close to other building entrances where idling (for more
>> than 30 seconds? when parked) is not allowed under ANY circumstances.
>>
>> There was talk of banning new drive-through lanes at restaurants but
>> with a "timmy's" on every second corner, and just about every other
>> fast foor restaurant also having drive - throughs THAT didn't go very
>> far - - - - .