Many states have laws about letting your car idle

https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/documents/CompilationofStateIdlingRegulations.pdf

https://www.topmarkfunding.com/anti-idling-laws-in-the-united-states/

On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:23:05 -0500, Ed P wrote:

> Many states have laws about letting your car idle

Leading to those stupid cars that shut off at stop lights. Maybe I'm a
dinosaur but my life experience is a car that stop running while in a
queue of traffic is not a Good Thing. When I hear it I automatically look
for vital fluids leaking from the vehicle.

rbowman wrote on 2/25/2024 3:46 PM:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:23:05 -0500, Ed P wrote:
>
>> Many states have laws about letting your car idle
> Leading to those stupid cars that shut off at stop lights. Maybe I'm a
> dinosaur but my life experience is a car that stop running while in a
> queue of traffic is not a Good Thing. When I hear it I automatically look
> for vital fluids leaking from the vehicle.
>

In Toronto, Canada, it is illegal to idle more than one minute in a
60-minute period; reefer trucks, school buses, ambulances, police
vehicles, etc. that require power to run auxiliary equipment exempted.
Basically it means the law applies only to private vehicles. Maybe you
can get away with it by saying you need the heater function in very cold
days, or the air conditioner function in very hot days.

https://www.toronto.ca/services-payments/streets-parking-transportation/applying-for-a-parking-permit/parking-by-laws-regulations/idling-control-by-law/

On 2024-02-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:23:05 -0500, Ed P wrote:
>
>> Many states have laws about letting your car idle
>
> Leading to those stupid cars that shut off at stop lights.

Really? Glad I'm driving a 20-year-old beater.

--
Cindy Hamilton

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:23:05 -0500, Ed P
<esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>
>Many states have laws about letting your car idle
>
>https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/documents/CompilationofStateIdlingRegulations.pdf
>
>https://www.topmarkfunding.com/anti-idling-laws-in-the-united-states/

I've been idle for the past 2 years and they haven't gotten me.

Oh, the car.

On 25 Feb 2024 20:46:50 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Leading to those stupid cars that shut off at stop lights. Maybe I'm a
> dinosaur but my life experience is a car that stop running while in a
> queue of traffic is not a Good Thing. When I hear it I automatically look
> for vital fluids leaking from the vehicle.

Is it gossiping time for you again, you abnormal pathological senile
bigmouth? <G>

--
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"It's been years since I've been in a fast food burger joint but I used
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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 25 Feb 2024 21:44:42 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:23:05 -0500, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> Many states have laws about letting your car idle
>>
>> Leading to those stupid cars that shut off at stop lights.
>
>Really? Glad I'm driving a 20-year-old beater.

I had one of those 2 years ago as a rental. A citroen. I turned off
that part, so it did not shut off. It had started up promptly, when I
took my foot off the brake, I think, but still. Also, if you came up to
a red light and it stopped the engine, but you took your foot off the
brake to creep up a bit and then stopped again, it didn't stop the
engine the second time. I thought that was good. But I still turned it
all off.

And I turned off the lane warnings because so many of the lanes were so
narrow, with a wall on one side, that I preferred to drive outside of
the lane unless someone was coming or passing.

And I turned off another feature but that one I had to turn off every
time I started the car. I forget what it was.

micky wrote on 2/25/2024 6:43 PM:
> And I turned off another feature but that one I had to turn off every
> time I started the car. I forget what it was.

Collision avoidance?

Ed P wrote:
>
> Many states have laws about letting your car idle
>
> https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/documents/CompilationofStateIdlingRegulations.pdf
>
> https://www.topmarkfunding.com/anti-idling-laws-in-the-united-states/

Another stupid fucking law.
Driving with ice/snow obscured windows is a ticketable offense in Michigan.
You really have to warm up a car for 15 minutes or so to clear the ice from the windshield before driving.

And I'll bet they idle Nancy Piglosi's jet to keep the cabin warm or cool as needed.

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:50:08 -0500, ? Mighty Wannabe
? <@.> wrote:

>micky wrote on 2/25/2024 6:43 PM:
>> And I turned off another feature but that one I had to turn off every
>> time I started the car. I forget what it was.
>
>Collision avoidance?

Don't remember.
>
>

On 2/25/2024 3:46 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:23:05 -0500, Ed P wrote:
>
>> Many states have laws about letting your car idle
>
> Leading to those stupid cars that shut off at stop lights. Maybe I'm a
> dinosaur but my life experience is a car that stop running while in a
> queue of traffic is not a Good Thing. When I hear it I automatically look
> for vital fluids leaking from the vehicle.
>

I've only driven one car with ISG. It performed well enough but one
trip is not enough to make a decision on them. This was an Audi A8,
about $100k car.

Traffic lights here are often 90 seconds or more so I can see some
benefit with emissions. They do have bigger starters, lubrication
systems and other protections built in.

The system does not work until the engine is warmed up and battery is
well charged. etc. There are work-arounds for many of them too.

micky wrote on 2/25/2024 7:04 PM:
> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:50:08 -0500, ? Mighty Wannabe
> ? <@.> wrote:
>
>> micky wrote on 2/25/2024 6:43 PM:
>>> And I turned off another feature but that one I had to turn off every
>>> time I started the car. I forget what it was.
>> Collision avoidance?
> Don't remember.

Then it must be the electronic stability control.

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 25 Feb 2024 19:52:53 -0500, ? Mighty Wannabe
? <@.> wrote:

>micky wrote on 2/25/2024 7:04 PM:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:50:08 -0500, ? Mighty Wannabe
>> ? <@.> wrote:
>>
>>> micky wrote on 2/25/2024 6:43 PM:
>>>> And I turned off another feature but that one I had to turn off every
>>>> time I started the car. I forget what it was.
>>> Collision avoidance?
>> Don't remember.
>
>Then it must be the electronic stability control.

That doesn't sound familiar.
>

On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 16:25:01 -0500, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:

> In Toronto, Canada, it is illegal to idle more than one minute in a
> 60-minute period;

Does everyone turn their engines off at stop lights? Toronto has almost
three times as many people as this entire state so I assume sitting at
traffic lights is a thing. Even here if I go into the downtown area I
spend more than a minute an hour sitting and idling.

When did Canada stick its head so far up its ass? It used to be a pleasant
place.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 21:44:42 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2024-02-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:23:05 -0500, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> Many states have laws about letting your car idle
>>
>> Leading to those stupid cars that shut off at stop lights.
>
> Really? Glad I'm driving a 20-year-old beater.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/do-stop-start-systems-really-
save-fuel.html

There aren't many around here which really makes them stand out. Some have
a button to turn the feature off, but the EPA put pressure on the
manufacturers so it reverts to on once the car restarts.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 19:52:53 -0500, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:

> micky wrote on 2/25/2024 7:04 PM:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:50:08 -0500, ? Mighty
>> Wannabe ? <@.> wrote:
>>
>>> micky wrote on 2/25/2024 6:43 PM:
>>>> And I turned off another feature but that one I had to turn off every
>>>> time I started the car. I forget what it was.
>>> Collision avoidance?
>> Don't remember.
>
> Then it must be the electronic stability control.

That's how stability and traction control works on my Toyota. Toyota
finally had the epiphany that if you're stuck in snow a system that shuts
down the spinning wheels means you're not going to rock your way out. They
also realized that when you're driving on dirt roads 'stability control'
can lead to being parked in the middle of the road if you slide the
corners a little.

On 2/25/2024 9:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 16:25:01 -0500, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
>> In Toronto, Canada, it is illegal to idle more than one minute in a
>> 60-minute period;
>
> Does everyone turn their engines off at stop lights? Toronto has almost
> three times as many people as this entire state so I assume sitting at
> traffic lights is a thing. Even here if I go into the downtown area I
> spend more than a minute an hour sitting and idling.
>
> When did Canada stick its head so far up its ass? It used to be a pleasant
> place.

Mostly they apply that to NOT traffic condition. People like me. My
granddaughter cannot drive so I often take her places. While waiting
for her, I sit in the car with the AC on when it is 90 degrees outside.

Not a problem at home with car in the garage, but if my car is sitting
in the sun while shopping, I'll remote start it so the AC get soing.

On 26 Feb 2024 02:06:02 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 16:25:01 -0500, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>
>> In Toronto, Canada, it is illegal to idle more than one minute in a
>> 60-minute period;
>
>Does everyone turn their engines off at stop lights? Toronto has almost
>three times as many people as this entire state so I assume sitting at
>traffic lights is a thing. Even here if I go into the downtown area I
>spend more than a minute an hour sitting and idling.
>
>When did Canada stick its head so far up its ass? It used to be a pleasant
>place.
>

It bears stating Toronto isn't Canada and more importantly
Canada isn't Toronto.
John T.

On 2/25/2024 4:52 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> micky wrote on 2/25/2024 7:04 PM:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:50:08 -0500, ? Mighty Wannabe
>> ? <@.> wrote:
>>
>>> micky wrote on 2/25/2024 6:43 PM:
>>>> And I turned off another feature but that one I had to turn off every
>>>> time I started the car.  I forget what it was.
>>> Collision avoidance?
>> Don't remember.
>
> Then it must be the electronic stability control.

Really???

On 2/25/2024 3:44 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-02-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:23:05 -0500, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> Many states have laws about letting your car idle
>>
>> Leading to those stupid cars that shut off at stop lights.
>
> Really? Glad I'm driving a 20-year-old beater.
>

HOW DARE YOU ! You should go right out and buy a new electric car
that you (I don't really know or care) can't afford with a complete
suite of tracking/monitoring systems so we can monitor you 24/7 !
And while you're at it , get a new smart refrigerator and a ring
doorbell . We'll be comparing the items you purchase at Walmart to what
shows up in that fridge . Can't have you supplying food to unauthorized
eaters .
Actually , our main car is a 25 year old 4Runner . The newest on the
place is a 2009 Sportster trike , the oldest is also a Harley - vintage
1939 . None of our vehicles have the means to track , though I'm
suspicious of the smart phone ...
And I'm shopping for a points ignition system for my '86 GMC pickup
and the 1990 Harley . EMP's don't affect them .
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 2/25/2024 8:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 19:52:53 -0500, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
>> micky wrote on 2/25/2024 7:04 PM:
>>> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:50:08 -0500, ? Mighty
>>> Wannabe ? <@.> wrote:
>>>
>>>> micky wrote on 2/25/2024 6:43 PM:
>>>>> And I turned off another feature but that one I had to turn off every
>>>>> time I started the car. I forget what it was.
>>>> Collision avoidance?
>>> Don't remember.
>>
>> Then it must be the electronic stability control.
>
> That's how stability and traction control works on my Toyota. Toyota
> finally had the epiphany that if you're stuck in snow a system that shuts
> down the spinning wheels means you're not going to rock your way out. They
> also realized that when you're driving on dirt roads 'stability control'
> can lead to being parked in the middle of the road if you slide the
> corners a little.
>

Traction control in my '86 GMC pickup will consist of an Eaton type
posi locker . As soon as I have time and the weather warms up a little .
--
Snag
"They may take our lives but
they'll never take our freedom."
William Wallace

On 26 Feb 2024 02:06:02 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Does everyone turn their engines off at stop lights?

More pertinent question: do you shut your mouth when you turn off the
engine? Do you EVER shut it ...like when you sleep? Or don't you?

--
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"My family loaded me into a '51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in '52. I'm alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going."
MID: <j2kuc1F3ejsU1@mid.individual.net>

On 26 Feb 2024 02:20:39 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> That's how stability and traction control works on my Toyota. Toyota
> finally had the epiphany

"Epiphany"! LMAO

WTF is WRONG with this abnormal grandiloquent bigmouth? LOL

--
More of the senile gossip's absolutely idiotic senile blather:
"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn't do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
'We keep God's time in Virginia.'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while."

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>

On 26 Feb 2024 02:16:58 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/do-stop-start-systems-really-
> save-fuel.html
>
> There aren't many around here which really makes them stand out.

I know what makes YOU stand out! It's your pervertedly big mouth!

--
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head:
"Skunk probably tastes like chicken. I've never gotten that comparison,
most famously with Chicken of the Sea. Tuna is a fish and tastes like a
fish. I will admit I've had chicken that tasted like fish. I don't think I
want to know what they were feeding it."
MID: <k44t5lFl1k3U4@mid.individual.net>

On 2/25/2024 3:46 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:23:05 -0500, Ed P wrote:
>
>> Many states have laws about letting your car idle
>
> Leading to those stupid cars that shut off at stop lights. Maybe I'm a
> dinosaur but my life experience is a car that stop running while in a
> queue of traffic is not a Good Thing. When I hear it I automatically look
> for vital fluids leaking from the vehicle.
>

I hear that most of the wear of an engine is on start up as oil drains
from top to reservoir and lubrication is important. Also with all these
start stops you will have to beef up the starter so it does not wear
faster. I also hear on new cars with this feature you can turn it off
and probably depending on car it can remain set or you have to do it
every time you drive.

IMHO the biggest offenders of idling are government workers. We have
all seen police sitting around in their cars for lengthy periods with
the engine running. With today's electronics the excuse of needing to
run the engine for them is probably not true.

Once walking in the park I came across a project were there were 6
county vehicles, one with an operator and the other five idling with
guys standing around. When I told one that they were wasting gas the
guy told me, yeah and you are paying for it - really.