On 3/29/2024 8:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
> On 3/28/2024 1:36 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On 3/27/24 15:20, Fishrrman wrote:
>>> On 3/27/24 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>>> When NOMOROBO blocks a call, do you still have the caller ID information
>>>> so you can tell who called?
>>>
>>> NoMoRobo is set to "work" between the first and second ring.
>>>
>>> Caller ID info doesn't "come in" until about that same time -- i.e.
>>> either at the second ring or just before it.
>>>
>>> Thus... if NoMoRobo is quick enough, it may be able to "cut the call"
>>> before caller ID comes in.
>>>
>>> I've seen this on my own phones. Example:
>>> - phone rings (1st ring)
>>> - caller ID shows only "incoming call" (no caller ID yet)
>>> - NoMoRobo cuts off the call
>>> - no caller ID seen, only "incoming call".
>>> NoMoRobo "cut it off" before the caller ID arrived.
>>
>> I would like to know who called. It may actually be legitimate.
>>
>
> Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
> calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
> legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
> you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
> that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
> IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
> the characteristics of the message.

It could have been a different number from his doctors office.

In article <uu6q89$d0e3$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>
> > Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
> > calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
> > legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
> > you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
> > that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
> > IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
> > the characteristics of the message.
>
> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>
>
>

I do not know how they decide but my landline is via the internet and
the caller ID often says 'spam risk' and most of the time it is but
sometimes it is the doctor's office but the answering machine gets this
and if they start to leave a message I will pick it up. Other time it
may say 'wirless caller'. This may or may not be spam so I usually
answer that.

I normally do not get very many calls but my record so far is 26 junk
and 3 important calls in one day. Usually I only get 3 or 4 calls a
week that is important.

On 3/29/2024 12:50 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <uu6q89$d0e3$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>>
>>> Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>>> calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>>> legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>>> you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>>> that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>>> IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>>> the characteristics of the message.
>>
>> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I do not know how they decide but my landline is via the internet and
> the caller ID often says 'spam risk' and most of the time it is but
> sometimes it is the doctor's office but the answering machine gets this
> and if they start to leave a message I will pick it up. Other time it
> may say 'wirless caller'. This may or may not be spam so I usually
> answer that.
>
> I normally do not get very many calls but my record so far is 26 junk
> and 3 important calls in one day. Usually I only get 3 or 4 calls a
> week that is important.
>
>
Just FWIW Dept.

I loaded the tone that was generated by the Phone Company from way back
that is used for a "Dead Line". "BeeBoop Beeeep" I recorded it from
a online link and then played it during the recording of my
Auto Attendant answering message. Then a 2 second pause and my wife
says "Hello sorry we can't answer your call right now. Please leave a
message at the beep!!" The Robo does not leave a message. I would
guess that if it was a Real Hoomann SPAMMER they just hang up and make
a next call on their daily list................

The SPAMMERS Robo Caller hears that tone and takes the number off the
call list. I now get maybe? 2 calls? a week that are SPAM and the number
is dwindling.

Les

On 2024-03-29, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
> In article <uu6q89$d0e3$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>>
>> > Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>> > calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>> > legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>> > you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>> > that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>> > IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>> > the characteristics of the message.
>>
>> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I do not know how they decide but my landline is via the internet and
> the caller ID often says 'spam risk' and most of the time it is but
> sometimes it is the doctor's office but the answering machine gets this
> and if they start to leave a message I will pick it up. Other time it
> may say 'wirless caller'. This may or may not be spam so I usually
> answer that.
>
> I normally do not get very many calls but my record so far is 26 junk
> and 3 important calls in one day. Usually I only get 3 or 4 calls a
> week that is important.

Goodness. Since I dumped my landline I barely get one spam call
per week. Sometimes that's the only time my phone rings all week.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 3/29/2024 4:53 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-29, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
>> In article <uu6q89$d0e3$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>> Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>>>> calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>>>> legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>>>> you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>>>> that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>>>> IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>>>> the characteristics of the message.
>>>
>>> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I do not know how they decide but my landline is via the internet and
>> the caller ID often says 'spam risk' and most of the time it is but
>> sometimes it is the doctor's office but the answering machine gets this
>> and if they start to leave a message I will pick it up. Other time it
>> may say 'wirless caller'. This may or may not be spam so I usually
>> answer that.
>>
>> I normally do not get very many calls but my record so far is 26 junk
>> and 3 important calls in one day. Usually I only get 3 or 4 calls a
>> week that is important.
>
> Goodness. Since I dumped my landline I barely get one spam call
> per week. Sometimes that's the only time my phone rings all week.
>

I often get 5 a day, every day.

On 3/29/2024 4:53 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-29, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
>> In article <uu6q89$d0e3$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>> Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>>>> calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>>>> legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>>>> you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>>>> that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>>>> IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>>>> the characteristics of the message.
>>>
>>> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I do not know how they decide but my landline is via the internet and
>> the caller ID often says 'spam risk' and most of the time it is but
>> sometimes it is the doctor's office but the answering machine gets this
>> and if they start to leave a message I will pick it up. Other time it
>> may say 'wirless caller'. This may or may not be spam so I usually
>> answer that.
>>
>> I normally do not get very many calls but my record so far is 26 junk
>> and 3 important calls in one day. Usually I only get 3 or 4 calls a
>> week that is important.
>
> Goodness. Since I dumped my landline I barely get one spam call
> per week. Sometimes that's the only time my phone rings all week.
>

No wonder I can't get you. I've been calling twice a day for weeks!

Today alone, I had 9 calls on the land line and ten on my cell. I'm
thinking Florida with an older population may be a target for scam calls.

On 29 Mar 2024 20:53:43 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 2024-03-29, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
>> In article <uu6q89$d0e3$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> > Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>>> > calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>>> > legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>>> > you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>>> > that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>>> > IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>>> > the characteristics of the message.
>>>
>>> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I do not know how they decide but my landline is via the internet and
>> the caller ID often says 'spam risk' and most of the time it is but
>> sometimes it is the doctor's office but the answering machine gets this
>> and if they start to leave a message I will pick it up. Other time it
>> may say 'wirless caller'. This may or may not be spam so I usually
>> answer that.
>>
>> I normally do not get very many calls but my record so far is 26 junk
>> and 3 important calls in one day. Usually I only get 3 or 4 calls a
>> week that is important.
>
>Goodness. Since I dumped my landline I barely get one spam call
>per week. Sometimes that's the only time my phone rings all week.

I get as many spam colls on my cell as I do on my VOIP line - WAY too
many

On 3/29/2024 12:27 PM, Ed P wrote:
> On 3/29/2024 11:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>> On 3/28/2024 1:36 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>> On 3/27/24 15:20, Fishrrman wrote:
>>>> On 3/27/24 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>>>> When NOMOROBO blocks a call, do you still have the caller ID information
>>>>> so you can tell who called?
>>>>
>>>> NoMoRobo is set to "work" between the first and second ring.
>>>>
>>>> Caller ID info doesn't "come in" until about that same time -- i.e.
>>>> either at the second ring or just before it.
>>>>
>>>> Thus... if NoMoRobo is quick enough, it may be able to "cut the call"
>>>> before caller ID comes in.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen this on my own phones. Example:
>>>> - phone rings (1st ring)
>>>> - caller ID shows only "incoming call" (no caller ID yet)
>>>> - NoMoRobo cuts off the call
>>>> - no caller ID seen, only "incoming call".
>>>> NoMoRobo "cut it off" before the caller ID arrived.
>>>
>>> I would like to know who called. It may actually be legitimate.
>>>
>>
>> Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>> calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>> legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>> you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>> that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>> IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>> the characteristics of the message.
>
>
> Define "legitimate" There are about 6 calls I get on my landline that I
> want to talk to.
>
> Some may be from a real business that I don't want to talk to anyway.
> Some are for the previous user of this number from six years ago. They
> can be fun to play with.
>
> About 95% of the numbers showing are fake.

By legitimate I mean that both the caller ID phone number is truly the
number where the call originates, the name displayed is the actual name
of the caller or the organization the caller represents, and the call is
from an organization or individual you have previously had come
communication with (regardless of whether by mail, e-mail, or phone).

If you go strictly by the caller ID information, you can't tell if the
call is legitimate or spoofed. Only once did I ever receive a
legitimate phone call from the bank where I have an active credit card
account. I did not trust who might be calling even though I recognized
the name of the bank. I didn't answer, but the voice mail identified
the reason for the call as wanting to verify a suspicious charge
resulting from a possible stolen credit card number for my account.
They left a phone number and asked me call back ASAP. Of course I
didn't, Instead, I called the customer service number on the back of my
card, explained the reason for my call, and was told the call was
legitimate. They transferred me to their fraud department and I was
able to verify that no, I had not been in the Caribbean the past week
and had not authorized any charges from any vendor there.

However, if my car is in the service shop and I get a phone call where
caller ID identifies the name of that shop and the phone number on my
copy of the work order, I'll assume the call is legitimate and pick up
the phone.

On 3/29/2024 12:28 PM, Bob F wrote:
> On 3/29/2024 8:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>> On 3/28/2024 1:36 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>> On 3/27/24 15:20, Fishrrman wrote:
>>>> On 3/27/24 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>>>> When NOMOROBO blocks a call, do you still have the caller ID information
>>>>> so you can tell who called?
>>>>
>>>> NoMoRobo is set to "work" between the first and second ring.
>>>>
>>>> Caller ID info doesn't "come in" until about that same time -- i.e.
>>>> either at the second ring or just before it.
>>>>
>>>> Thus... if NoMoRobo is quick enough, it may be able to "cut the call"
>>>> before caller ID comes in.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen this on my own phones. Example:
>>>> - phone rings (1st ring)
>>>> - caller ID shows only "incoming call" (no caller ID yet)
>>>> - NoMoRobo cuts off the call
>>>> - no caller ID seen, only "incoming call".
>>>> NoMoRobo "cut it off" before the caller ID arrived.
>>>
>>> I would like to know who called. It may actually be legitimate.
>>>
>>
>> Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>> calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>> legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>> you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>> that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>> IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>> the characteristics of the message.
>
> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>

And how many scammers would know my doctor's name? Unlikely to be a
spoofed caller ID. I'd pick up the phone. Now if someone is the office
used their private cell phone to call me and I didn't recognize the name
as a staff member in the office, and of course, didn't recognize the
number, I would not pick up the phone.

On 3/27/24 4:20 PM, Fishrrman wrote:
> On 3/27/24 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>> When NOMOROBO blocks a call, do you still have the caller ID information
>> so you can tell who called?
>
> NoMoRobo is set to "work" between the first and second ring.
>
> Caller ID info doesn't "come in" until about that same time -- i.e.
> either at the second ring or just before it.
>
> Thus... if NoMoRobo is quick enough, it may be able to "cut the call"
> before caller ID comes in.
>
> I've seen this on my own phones. Example:
> - phone rings (1st ring)
> - caller ID shows only "incoming call" (no caller ID yet)
> - NoMoRobo cuts off the call
> - no caller ID seen, only "incoming call".
> NoMoRobo "cut it off" before the caller ID arrived.

I have had 2 instances where NoMo blocked return calls from people I
called at their direct number and got their voicemail. And then did not
hear from them for some time. When I called them again, and they
answered, they said they tried to call back but "I refused their call"

A little investigation revealed that when they called back, the Caller
ID for that call was their company corporate phone number, which is/was
on NoMo's black list. And the caller did not follow NoMo's spoken
instructions on how to bypass the block.

BTW, NoMo does allow a user to create a "white list" of blocked numbers
to allow such calls to you to go thru. BTDT.

[snip]

> Goodness. Since I dumped my landline I barely get one spam call
> per week. Sometimes that's the only time my phone rings all week.

Junk callers may have been avoiding cell phones because you would have
to pay to receive calls. This is often no longer true. I hope that
doesn't mean the situation is about to get much worse.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"I have not the slightest confidence in 'spiritual manifestations.'"
[Robert G. Ingersoll]

On 3/29/2024 1:53 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-29, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
>> In article <uu6q89$d0e3$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>> Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>>>> calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>>>> legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>>>> you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>>>> that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>>>> IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>>>> the characteristics of the message.
>>>
>>> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I do not know how they decide but my landline is via the internet and
>> the caller ID often says 'spam risk' and most of the time it is but
>> sometimes it is the doctor's office but the answering machine gets this
>> and if they start to leave a message I will pick it up. Other time it
>> may say 'wirless caller'. This may or may not be spam so I usually
>> answer that.
>>
>> I normally do not get very many calls but my record so far is 26 junk
>> and 3 important calls in one day. Usually I only get 3 or 4 calls a
>> week that is important.
>
> Goodness. Since I dumped my landline I barely get one spam call
> per week. Sometimes that's the only time my phone rings all week.
>

How long has that been? I suspect that the reason I don't get many on my
mobile is because I don't give than number out very often.

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:59:27 -0500, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid>
wrote:

>[snip]
>
>> Goodness. Since I dumped my landline I barely get one spam call
>> per week. Sometimes that's the only time my phone rings all week.
>
>Junk callers may have been avoiding cell phones because you would have
>to pay to receive calls. This is often no longer true. I hope that
>doesn't mean the situation is about to get much worse.
It has. I get more junk calls on my cell than on my Voip home phone
(which is listed - my cell is not)

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:08:18 -0500, Snag posted for all of us to digest...

>
> On 3/25/2024 8:14 PM, Ed P wrote:
> > On 3/25/2024 7:49 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 19:15:10 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I get a lot of calls from various telemarketers for medicare benefits,
> >>> final expense insurance, home improvements, etc.  Most every one starts
> >>> the call with "how are you?"
> >>>
> >>> The problem is, they ask how I am, but they don't listen when I answer.
> >>> A well trained and courteous customer service person would listen.
> >>> I always try to give an honest answer to the question.  I tell them how
> >>> my hemorrhoid is sore today.  Yes, I detail how it burns, how sore it
> >>> get when you wipe.   They either ignore me or some even hang up.
> >>>
> >>> Recently, I got a few calls that would help me with unsecured debt.  I
> >>> could really us help there so they ask for details.  I explain "I owe
> >>> your mother 20 bucks for a BJ she gave me" and they hag up, sometimes
> >>> they curse me out.
> >>>
> >>> Customer service sure has deteriorated in recent years.
> >>>
> >>
> >> In recent years ,  we look at the cordless phone's
> >>   Call Display  to see the caller ID  -  it's so so easy
> >> to let it go to voicemail  -  if it's a weird number.
> >> My    phone-scam-calls   are almost all   robo calls -
> >> ..  again -  easy to hang-up-on - it's a robo after all !
> >>   The   quite-rare   human   caller  just gets a polite
> >>    "  not interested    bye "     So easy.
> >>     I avoid   " having them on "   because they may
> >> then  submit my phone number to all their friends.
> >>     John T.
> >
> >
> > Many say Spam Call and I ignore those.  If I'm talking to them, they are
> > not scamming some old lady at the moment.
> >
> > I've also gotten quite a few calls for Accidental Claim Recovery. They
> > say:We understand you'd been in an accident and have not been paid, we
> > have attorneys that can help.
> >
> > I tell them about my accident.  I was parked in the lot at WalMart and
> > the spot across from me was empty.  A car pulled in, did not stop in
> > time and hit me.  That is how I got injured.  My girlfriend was giving
> > me a BJ and it scared her and she bit my dick.
>
> Dammit Ed , I may not agree with you on some thing s but you sure can
> be one funny SOB !

+100 on that, he really slips 'em in...

--
Hiram

On 3/26/24 04:22, Frank wrote:
> Then there was the granddad call.

I tell them he's a putz and deserves to stew
in jail. Then hang up.

In alt.home.repair, on 29 Mar 2024 20:53:43 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 2024-03-29, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
>> In article <uu6q89$d0e3$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> > Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>>> > calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>>> > legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>>> > you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>>> > that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>>> > IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>>> > the characteristics of the message.
>>>
>>> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I do not know how they decide but my landline is via the internet and
>> the caller ID often says 'spam risk' and most of the time it is but
>> sometimes it is the doctor's office but the answering machine gets this
>> and if they start to leave a message I will pick it up. Other time it
>> may say 'wirless caller'. This may or may not be spam so I usually
>> answer that.
>>
>> I normally do not get very many calls but my record so far is 26 junk
>> and 3 important calls in one day. Usually I only get 3 or 4 calls a
>> week that is important.
>
>Goodness. Since I dumped my landline I barely get one spam call
>per week. Sometimes that's the only time my phone rings all week.

If you're lonely, I will call you. Or there is a social service agency
that will call you.

I never got spam on my cell phone until the last month or two. I've
still only gotten about 5 total, but it seems ominous. My phone is off
90% of the time so that maybe that helps.

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 31 Mar 2024 13:12:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:59:27 -0500, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>[snip]
>>
>>> Goodness. Since I dumped my landline I barely get one spam call
>>> per week. Sometimes that's the only time my phone rings all week.
>>
>>Junk callers may have been avoiding cell phones because you would have
>>to pay to receive calls. This is often no longer true. I hope that
>>doesn't mean the situation is about to get much worse.
> It has. I get more junk calls on my cell than on my Voip home phone
>(which is listed - my cell is not)

Remember when people talked about having a directory like the original
phone book but one that included cell phone numbers.

On 2024-04-07, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on 29 Mar 2024 20:53:43 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
><hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-03-29, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
>>> In article <uu6q89$d0e3$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> > Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>>>> > calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>>>> > legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>>>> > you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>>>> > that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>>>> > IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>>>> > the characteristics of the message.
>>>>
>>>> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do not know how they decide but my landline is via the internet and
>>> the caller ID often says 'spam risk' and most of the time it is but
>>> sometimes it is the doctor's office but the answering machine gets this
>>> and if they start to leave a message I will pick it up. Other time it
>>> may say 'wirless caller'. This may or may not be spam so I usually
>>> answer that.
>>>
>>> I normally do not get very many calls but my record so far is 26 junk
>>> and 3 important calls in one day. Usually I only get 3 or 4 calls a
>>> week that is important.
>>
>>Goodness. Since I dumped my landline I barely get one spam call
>>per week. Sometimes that's the only time my phone rings all week.
>
> If you're lonely, I will call you. Or there is a social service agency
> that will call you.

No thanks. I prefer talking to my husband.

> I never got spam on my cell phone until the last month or two. I've
> still only gotten about 5 total, but it seems ominous. My phone is off
> 90% of the time so that maybe that helps.

Yes, it should. My phone is on 100% of the time, although it's set
for Do Not Disturb from 8 pm to 5 am.

--
Cindy Hamilton

In alt.home.repair, on 07 Apr 2024 17:13:41 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

>
>> I never got spam on my cell phone until the last month or two. I've
>> still only gotten about 5 total, but it seems ominous. My phone is off
>> 90% of the time so that maybe that helps.
>
>Yes, it should. My phone is on 100% of the time, although it's set
>for Do Not Disturb from 8 pm to 5 am.

My brother, who has been sick and I'm worried about him, is usually
impossible** to reach. It rings 5 or 6 times and goes to voicemail,
which is almost always full. I visited two weeks ago and found he had
it set on DND. I turned that off, but today it did the same thing.

If his phone were off, it would go to voicemail right away, right? or
almost right away, no 5 rings, Right?

Is there any other way it could ring 5 times and go to VM than DND?

Maybe he sets it to DND when he's sleeping and forgets to change it
back. Is there some other settting he could use instead for sleeping?

**Except I can text him, but he doesn't usually notice texts either.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 26 Mar 2024 13:38:22 -0500, Mark Lloyd
<not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

>[snip]
>
>> Comparing our telcom's phone log for
>> our incoming calls to the number of times/day our phone rings, I'd guess
>> that we get 5-20 blocked spam calls/day thanks to NOMOROBO. Of the
>> unrecognized calls that ring through, maybe 2-3% leave a voice mail.
>> All in all, we save lots of time and bother every day.
>
>When NOMOROBO blocks a call, do you still have the caller ID information
>so you can tell who called?

I have VOIP from Verizon, and a Uniden base-station phone plus 3
cordless phones. They may be 20 years old**. The base station has a
simple way to look at past caller-id's and there are quite a few that
were blocked by nomorobo. It rings once here. If they could block it
before it rang at all, I don't know if those would be listed. I think
so but it doesn't work that way for me. Does it ring once for you?

It can be done iirc but I don't know how to look at callerid on the
Uniden cordless phones

**The one flaw they have is that when people call from the same area
code as mine, I can't display the caller ID and then use it to dial the
phone, because it doesn't show the area code. Of course most of those
I want to call back fit that category. But otherwise the phone does
everything.

Well, it will only record phone calls for maybe 30 minutes minus the
total of stored incoming messages. I'd like it to be much longer in
case trump calls me, or really, when the doctor calls and tells me
things and I can't write it all down, I'd like to record it but last
time it filled up and stopped in the middle. it beeps every 15 seconds
but apparently the other party can't hear it!

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Mar 2024 12:50:25 -0400, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

>In article <uu6q89$d0e3$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>>
>> > Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>> > calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>> > legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>> > you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>> > that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>> > IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>> > the characteristics of the message.
>>
>> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I do not know how they decide but my landline is via the internet and
>the caller ID often says 'spam risk' and most of the time it is but

I got one that says "Probably Fraud"!

And I get some where the number is preceded by [V] . I suppose that
means victory, but I'm not sure.

>sometimes it is the doctor's office but the answering machine gets this
>and if they start to leave a message I will pick it up. Other time it
>may say 'wirless caller'. This may or may not be spam so I usually
>answer that.
>
>I normally do not get very many calls but my record so far is 26 junk
>and 3 important calls in one day. Usually I only get 3 or 4 calls a
>week that is important.
>

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:01:54 -0400, ABLE1
<somebody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On 3/29/2024 12:50 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>> In article <uu6q89$d0e3$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>> Tell us please how, from merely reading the caller ID and number
>>>> calling, both of which can easily be spoofed, you can distinguish a
>>>> legitimate phone call from a spoofed spam or robo call? By your logic,
>>>> you need to pick up the phone every time you receive an incoming call
>>>> that identifies as a legitimate organization, such as the FBI or the
>>>> IRS. I'd rather make my decision on whether they leave a message and
>>>> the characteristics of the message.
>>>
>>> It could have been a different number from his doctors office.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I do not know how they decide but my landline is via the internet and
>> the caller ID often says 'spam risk' and most of the time it is but
>> sometimes it is the doctor's office but the answering machine gets this
>> and if they start to leave a message I will pick it up. Other time it
>> may say 'wirless caller'. This may or may not be spam so I usually
>> answer that.
>>
>> I normally do not get very many calls but my record so far is 26 junk
>> and 3 important calls in one day. Usually I only get 3 or 4 calls a
>> week that is important.
>>
>>
>Just FWIW Dept.
>
>I loaded the tone that was generated by the Phone Company from way back
>that is used for a "Dead Line". "BeeBoop Beeeep" I recorded it from
>a online link and then played it during the recording of my
>Auto Attendant answering message.

I did that too. A little tricky to then follow with my own usual
message but after 3 or 4 tries, I got it right.

> Then a 2 second pause and my wife
>says "Hello sorry we can't answer your call right now. Please leave a
>message at the beep!!" The Robo does not leave a message. I would
>guess that if it was a Real Hoomann SPAMMER they just hang up and make
>a next call on their daily list................
>
>The SPAMMERS Robo Caller hears that tone and takes the number off the
>call list. I now get maybe? 2 calls? a week that are SPAM and the number
>is dwindling.

I have read, maybe even 3 years ago, that spammer software knows about
this trick already and it doesn't work. I can't judge because I got
very few spam calls when I first did it, a few years ago, and I still
don't get many and I have no way to know if the ones I do get are from
new spammers. '

So far it doesnt' seem to have messed up any real callers, becauase the
pause after the tone is short. Don't know how many seconds, but short.

There is a webpage that will play all these utilitarian squealing
noises. There were at least 20.

>Les

On 2024-04-07, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on 07 Apr 2024 17:13:41 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
><hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> I never got spam on my cell phone until the last month or two. I've
>>> still only gotten about 5 total, but it seems ominous. My phone is off
>>> 90% of the time so that maybe that helps.
>>
>>Yes, it should. My phone is on 100% of the time, although it's set
>>for Do Not Disturb from 8 pm to 5 am.
>
> My brother, who has been sick and I'm worried about him, is usually
> impossible** to reach. It rings 5 or 6 times and goes to voicemail,
> which is almost always full. I visited two weeks ago and found he had
> it set on DND. I turned that off, but today it did the same thing.

> If his phone were off, it would go to voicemail right away, right? or
> almost right away, no 5 rings, Right?

I don't know. I've never called anybody (that I know of) who uses
DND. I have mine set so that anybody in my contacts list can get
through even during DND, in case my mother (or her doctor or her
local police, etc.) calls me.

> Is there any other way it could ring 5 times and go to VM than DND?
>
> Maybe he sets it to DND when he's sleeping and forgets to change it
> back. Is there some other settting he could use instead for sleeping?

Airplane mode. But if he won't get it off DND, he won't get it
off airplane.

> **Except I can text him, but he doesn't usually notice texts either.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 07 Apr 2024 13:05:44 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 31 Mar 2024 13:12:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
><clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:59:27 -0500, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>> Goodness. Since I dumped my landline I barely get one spam call
>>>> per week. Sometimes that's the only time my phone rings all week.
>>>
>>>Junk callers may have been avoiding cell phones because you would have
>>>to pay to receive calls. This is often no longer true. I hope that
>>>doesn't mean the situation is about to get much worse.
>> It has. I get more junk calls on my cell than on my Voip home phone
>>(which is listed - my cell is not)
>
>Remember when people talked about having a directory like the original
>phone book but one that included cell phone numbers.
It's the bloody random number dialers that cheese me off. The riale
just starts with an area code and then randonly generates exchanges
and numbers. Half the time they are not even programmed to only call
American numbers - I keep getting calls to register for ObamaCare up
here in 519 country (central Ontario Canada!!!!)

In alt.home.repair, on 07 Apr 2024 21:01:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 2024-04-07, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on 07 Apr 2024 17:13:41 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
>><hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> I never got spam on my cell phone until the last month or two. I've
>>>> still only gotten about 5 total, but it seems ominous. My phone is off
>>>> 90% of the time so that maybe that helps.
>>>
>>>Yes, it should. My phone is on 100% of the time, although it's set
>>>for Do Not Disturb from 8 pm to 5 am.
>>
>> My brother, who has been sick and I'm worried about him, is usually
>> impossible** to reach. It rings 5 or 6 times and goes to voicemail,
>> which is almost always full. I visited two weeks ago and found he had
>> it set on DND. I turned that off, but today it did the same thing.
>
>> If his phone were off, it would go to voicemail right away, right? or
>> almost right away, no 5 rings, Right?
>
>I don't know. I've never called anybody (that I know of) who uses
>DND. I have mine set so that anybody in my contacts list can get
>through even during DND, in case my mother (or her doctor or her
>local police, etc.) calls me.

I would have done that for myself if I'd known it existed. I don't
remember seeing it on any of my phones. Android.
>
>> Is there any other way it could ring 5 times and go to VM than DND?
>>
>> Maybe he sets it to DND when he's sleeping and forgets to change it
>> back. Is there some other settting he could use instead for sleeping?
>
>Airplane mode. But if he won't get it off DND, he won't get it
>off airplane.

Right.

>> **Except I can text him, but he doesn't usually notice texts either.