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In the folcrum of love with 
Deep sea diving desire
To come up quick and hard
To smash the surface and
Crack the code
To make some sense of it all
In this crazy mixed up world
Where two people don’t
Amount to a hill of beans

Deep within the folcrum
Of time immemorial
We encrypt the night with gusto
To make our project a must-o

We stealthily groove through 
The dark of the night 
Practicing our evasive tactics
For the light of day
Saving it up for the ‘really big shew’
Where the fetid CBS breath 
Of Ed Sullivan
Meets the hip grinding 
Torso stink of Elvis's
Pre Chubby Checker
Everybody's twisting the Night away motif
Then ducking deeps turtle-like
Back into the audience
To blend in
With the regular Joe's 
Of Planet Zeldon B-49
And to become as one
With all of nature across
The vast incomprehensible
Expanse of infinity 
That seems to knows no bounds
Mired deep in 
Random Puddles of
Quicksand and 
Hopelessness
On the corner of 
Billy Bob Thornton Avenue
And the Right Honorable
Reverend Doctor
Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.

Be there!

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 by: OllieNorthie@aol.com - Thu, 26 Aug 2021 07:07 UTC

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 4:23:30 PM UTC-4, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
> In the folcrum of love with
> Deep sea diving desire
> To come up quick and hard
> To smash the surface and
> Crack the code
> To make some sense of it all
> In this crazy mixed up world
> Where two people don’t
> Amount to a hill of beans
>
> Deep within the folcrum
> Of time immemorial
> We encrypt the night with gusto
> To make our project a must-o
>
> We stealthily groove through
> The dark of the night
> Practicing our evasive tactics
> For the light of day
> Saving it up for the ‘really big shew’
> Where the fetid CBS breath
> Of Ed Sullivan
> Meets the hip grinding
> Torso stink of Elvis's
> Pre Chubby Checker
> Everybody's twisting the Night away motif
> Then ducking deeps turtle-like
> Back into the audience
> To blend in
> With the regular Joe's
> Of Planet Zeldon B-49
> And to become as one
> With all of nature across
> The vast incomprehensible
> Expanse of infinity
> That seems to knows no bounds
> Mired deep in
> Random Puddles of
> Quicksand and
> Hopelessness
> On the corner of
> Billy Bob Thornton Avenue
> And the Right Honorable
> Reverend Doctor
> Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.
>
> Be there!

I picture Tom Hanks hacked to pieces on Hollywood Blvd. Try not to step in it.

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> I picture Tom Hanks hacked to pieces on Hollywood Blvd. Try not to step in it.

I love it, people telling me what they see in my work. I see a teacher reading my post to her class then asking them how they interpret it. "Ok class, that's your homework for tonight, papers returned no later than the start of tomorrow's class - an essay on what you see in Thomas Joseph's poetry, and why.

IOTA - interpretation of Thomas's artistry

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On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:50:07 PM UTC-4, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I picture Tom Hanks hacked to pieces on Hollywood Blvd. Try not to step in it.
> I love it, people telling me what they see in my work. I see a teacher reading my post to her class then asking them how they interpret it. "Ok class, that's your homework for tonight, papers returned no later than the start of tomorrow's class - an essay on what you see in Thomas Joseph's poetry, and why.
>
> IOTA - interpretation of Thomas's artistry

A literary Rorschach test. I can see it now and it looks like a vagina.

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> A literary Rorschach test. I can see it now and it looks like a vagina.

I've taken my fair share of those tests. When I was at the Pro in Philly I was taken with my best friend to Temple University where we were given IQ tests along with Rorschach and others. I loved it. We were chosen because the Brothers thought we were the best candidates, probably because we weren't much like the other kids in the place, on the surface anyway. To me almost all rorschachs look alike, either like cunts or roadkill of some kind or maybe somebody who jumped off a building. Whoever invented them was nuts. A disciple of Freud, another top notch loony masquerading as a scientist, Dr. Moreau style.

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On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 6:01:39 PM UTC-4, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
> > A literary Rorschach test. I can see it now and it looks like a vagina.
> I've taken my fair share of those tests. When I was at the Pro in Philly I was taken with my best friend to Temple University where we were given IQ tests along with Rorschach and others. I loved it. We were chosen because the Brothers thought we were the best candidates, probably because we weren't much like the other kids in the place, on the surface anyway. To me almost all rorschachs look alike, either like cunts or roadkill of some kind or maybe somebody who jumped off a building. Whoever invented them was nuts. A disciple of Freud, another top notch loony masquerading as a scientist, Dr. Moreau style.

I wont take a test where there is no right answer.

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> I wont take a test where there is no right answer.

In my 20s a guy at the poolroom gave me a logic puzzle to figure out. "You got one day", he said. I told him it wouldn't take that long. But I couldn't figure it out. I told him I couldn't. He said to take as much time as I want with it. Finally I gave up and asked him what the answer was and he said, "I don't know." Kind of pissed me off but I had to laugh at the same time. That's what makes me a nice guy - I can be pissed off and laugh at the same time. Can you do that? Not many kind. It's what sets me apart. Makes me unique. Special. Different. Esoteric. Out of sight. But I'm not going to brag about it because I can't prove it. That means there is no right answer. So for us this test is over. Repeat: This test is over!

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On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 5:44:18 PM UTC-4, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I wont take a test where there is no right answer.
> In my 20s a guy at the poolroom gave me a logic puzzle to figure out. "You got one day", he said. I told him it wouldn't take that long. But I couldn't figure it out. I told him I couldn't. He said to take as much time as I want with it. Finally I gave up and asked him what the answer was and he said, "I don't know." Kind of pissed me off but I had to laugh at the same time. That's what makes me a nice guy - I can be pissed off and laugh at the same time. Can you do that? Not many kind. It's what sets me apart. Makes me unique. Special. Different. Esoteric. Out of sight. But I'm not going to brag about it because I can't prove it. That means there is no right answer. So for us this test is over. Repeat: This test is over!

I read where woman are constantly testing men. Creating situations to see how they react. This is why so many are beat up. The man did not want no testing.

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> I read where woman are constantly testing men. Creating situations to see how they react. This is why so many are beat up. The man did not want no testing.

Another funny lead-in: "I read where............" It's right up there with "I don't care what anyone says,........", or, "Inside information tells me that..............." I see now a national convention where women testers have gathered to share stories of their testing techniques and all of them have dotted eyes and other signs of physical abuse. The leader of the group is still in favor of testing men but suggests new methods are needed to keep the beatings down. She started by founding NAFTA - Nationally Associated Female Testers of Abuse - and also writing a book on the subject that made her famous. The title of the book? "A Test Too Far."

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On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 6:49:38 PM UTC-4, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I read where woman are constantly testing men. Creating situations to see how they react. This is why so many are beat up. The man did not want no testing.
> Another funny lead-in: "I read where............" It's right up there with "I don't care what anyone says,........", or, "Inside information tells me that..............." I see now a national convention where women testers have gathered to share stories of their testing techniques and all of them have dotted eyes and other signs of physical abuse. The leader of the group is still in favor of testing men but suggests new methods are needed to keep the beatings down. She started by founding NAFTA - Nationally Associated Female Testers of Abuse - and also writing a book on the subject that made her famous. The title of the book? "A Test Too Far."

So many acronyms. We are a lazy bunch. So many and sometimes have multiple meanings. HMM (Has multiple meanings).

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> So many acronyms. We are a lazy bunch. So many and sometimes have multiple meanings. HMM (Has multiple meanings).

LOL. I saw your post last night on the smartphone and wanted to respond but did not want to get out of bed. LOL again. I have been thinking of starting an anti abbreviation group. Our slogan would be TMA - (too many abbreviations) or (too much aggravation). Truth is we don't want to use abbreviations at all, we want them abolished. But in order to get the backing we need we need to get the attention of the masses. Can we do that without abbreviations? It would not be easy. They'd see a bunch of full sized words and stop reading on the spot. I hate caving in, but in our quest to get Triple A under way (AAA - anti abbreviation association), we will need to use a few acronyms to lure people in. Just at the start. Then slowly as we rope them in we can begin to use less and less acronyms and abbreviations until we've got them reading our manifestos beginning to end with no short cuts or deviations allowed.

LDTT - let's do this thing

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On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 6:01:20 PM UTC-4, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
> > So many acronyms. We are a lazy bunch. So many and sometimes have multiple meanings. HMM (Has multiple meanings).
> LOL. I saw your post last night on the smartphone and wanted to respond but did not want to get out of bed. LOL again. I have been thinking of starting an anti abbreviation group. Our slogan would be TMA - (too many abbreviations) or (too much aggravation). Truth is we don't want to use abbreviations at all, we want them abolished. But in order to get the backing we need we need to get the attention of the masses. Can we do that without abbreviations? It would not be easy. They'd see a bunch of full sized words and stop reading on the spot. I hate caving in, but in our quest to get Triple A under way (AAA - anti abbreviation association), we will need to use a few acronyms to lure people in. Just at the start. Then slowly as we rope them in we can begin to use less and less acronyms and abbreviations until we've got them reading our manifestos beginning to end with no short cuts or deviations allowed.
>
> LDTT - let's do this thing

So many new ones and other terms on the internet. Many I do not get. MIDNG

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> So many new ones and other terms on the internet. Many I do not get. MIDNG

Sounds racist - like a mulatto type - "midway between the NGr and the White." Or a late nite Negro on the prowl. A rover of the night. A holy terror. Beware the Midnight Nigger.

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On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:24:49 PM UTC-4, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
> > So many new ones and other terms on the internet. Many I do not get. MIDNG
> Sounds racist - like a mulatto type - "midway between the NGr and the White." Or a late nite Negro on the prowl. A rover of the night. A holy terror. Beware the Midnight Nigger.

We had a negro shoot a cop near me. He put the first cop in the hospital. The second cop put him in the ground. No statues will be erected.

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> We had a negro shoot a cop near me. He put the first cop in the hospital. The second cop put him in the ground. No statues will be erected.

"Near me" - lol. At first I let it ride, I figured without thinking, oh yeah, in his area. Maybe in his part of the state. Maybe even in his own town. Maybe even in his part of town. Maybe even on his block. But wait, he went a step further, didn't he? He said "near me." Does that mean the cop was next to you when the Negro shot him? Was the cop getting ready to hand you a ticket for a moving violation? Who knows for sure? All we know is the Negro escapes. You don't like the way it looks, the cop dead and you there with the ticket in your hand. So you flee the scene too. But the cop had already filed your plate numbers with his dispatchers and you will be caught, guarantee it. The cop is dead, you are in jail, and the Negro has escaped.

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On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:25:08 PM UTC-4, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
> > We had a negro shoot a cop near me. He put the first cop in the hospital. The second cop put him in the ground. No statues will be erected.
> "Near me" - lol. At first I let it ride, I figured without thinking, oh yeah, in his area. Maybe in his part of the state. Maybe even in his own town. Maybe even in his part of town. Maybe even on his block. But wait, he went a step further, didn't he? He said "near me." Does that mean the cop was next to you when the Negro shot him? Was the cop getting ready to hand you a ticket for a moving violation? Who knows for sure? All we know is the Negro escapes. You don't like the way it looks, the cop dead and you there with the ticket in your hand. So you flee the scene too. But the cop had already filed your plate numbers with his dispatchers and you will be caught, guarantee it. The cop is dead, you are in jail, and the Negro has escaped.

Well the cop can always find a negro that fits the description. All of them in fact.

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> Well the cop can always find a negro that fits the description. All of them in fact.

Maybe it's too late, but how a cop treats a suspect means a lot in the long run. I used to get stopped almost every night in Hollywood when I was in my 20s. Even sometimes when I got older. I was on the ground a few times, for nothing. Most of the time the cops would roust people and give no reason why. I never asked, but I never challenged them either. Well, one night in the poolroom parking lot two cops stopped me and got out and questioned me. Then they said it was ok, I can go. Before leaving one of the cops showed me a small photo of a guy they were looking for. "We stopped you because you look a little like the guy we're looking for", he said. Now, that could have been total bullshit. But even if it was bullshit it made me feel better to think they had an actual reason for rousting me. I suppose really they could narrow it down to maybe ten photos if they really wanted to. Ten different types. So after they stop someone they go into their photo album and pull out the one that most resembles the person. It's a sham but it helps keep things from getting out of hand, most of the time anyway - unless they get a George Floyd "I can't breathe" type, then it's "go time".

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On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 7:55:07 PM UTC-4, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Well the cop can always find a negro that fits the description. All of them in fact.
> Maybe it's too late, but how a cop treats a suspect means a lot in the long run. I used to get stopped almost every night in Hollywood when I was in my 20s. Even sometimes when I got older. I was on the ground a few times, for nothing. Most of the time the cops would roust people and give no reason why. I never asked, but I never challenged them either. Well, one night in the poolroom parking lot two cops stopped me and got out and questioned me. Then they said it was ok, I can go. Before leaving one of the cops showed me a small photo of a guy they were looking for. "We stopped you because you look a little like the guy we're looking for", he said. Now, that could have been total bullshit. But even if it was bullshit it made me feel better to think they had an actual reason for rousting me. I suppose really they could narrow it down to maybe ten photos if they really wanted to. Ten different types. So after they stop someone they go into their photo album and pull out the one that most resembles the person. It's a sham but it helps keep things from getting out of hand, most of the time anyway - unless they get a George Floyd "I can't breathe" type, then it's "go time".

Being young is a crime. Being old is the sentence.

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> Being young is a crime. Being old is the sentence.

Good one. Uh, did you make it up? Don't get me wrong, I know you make up lots of good stuff. But sometimes something sounds so good you have to wonder if it hasn't been said before. Anyway, no need to overanalyze it, just saying it's a good one. I guess the crimes keep growing in severity. Being young is a a crime but it's not as serious a crime as being old. When you are young you are sentenced to being old. When you are old you are sentenced to death.

I still seriously want to learn I've got some kind of slow moving terminal illness so I can relax even beyond where I'm at today. I want to know for a royal fact that the future means nothing. No more hemming and hawing - I want to live one minute, I want to die the next - NO, from now on I want to die. But it has to be on my terms. Slow and painless with narcotics just to make sure.

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> Never can be sure what is an original thought. A lot of thinking has been going on for awhile now. Doc Holiday interests me because he did not seem to care if he was killed in a shootout. He knew he was going to die young. Funny how he went west for his health only to engage in the dangerous gunfighting of the time.

Holiday was probably as big a creep as Earp and the rest of them. He is the most interesting of all the OK Corral characters, which I suppose isn't saying much. More history that no one knows if it's real or not. Maybe the Clanton's were hounded by the Earp's. All the way. Pushed into a showdown by Earp and his bawdy band of outlaws turned lawmen. But I suppose Holiday can be interesting. He's one of those rare characters a good actor (think Nick Cage or Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks) can really sink his teeth into. Everyone is waiting for the movie to come out so they can see how Doc is interpreted. That's what it's all about. What version of Holiday are we going to get? Up there with Dr. Moreau and Fletcher Christian and Captain Bly, only not quite, not in my opinion. But he does endure, doesn't he? The Doc endures.

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> I do not think anyone involved in that fracas was without sin. All drunks and whoremongers. Wait that sounds familiar/

It's funny how some stories endure over time. I can understand some of them. Good premises. All historical yet open to interpretation. These enduring premises - the Earps, the Holidays, the Clantons, the Christians and the Bleys - they are but the windows to the one big soul Preacher Casey and Tom Joad were talking about. Can't you see that, man?

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> Tom Joad had a violent streak in him. He told himself it was becasue of the grapes but his wrath went deeper.

The grapes soothed his wrath. He became addicted to them. A wino. Straight out of Oklahoma. Yes, he was violent. I did not care for that opening scene in the film where he gets a ride with a guy who is asking him all kinds of questions, and Joad gets pissed and says, "Well, why don't you just come out and ask it? Ever since I got in this truck you've been busting a gut to know what I did to wind up in prison. Well, if you really want to know - it was homi-cide." He said it kind of hateful. Can't make it through life that way. If you want to hitch hike your way through life you have to be more amenable. Joad was an angry young man. I don't know if he was angry when he died, but he was young. Tom Joad died young. A good thing for all mankind.

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> Amazing anyone would be bothered by a convicted murder. People were so shallow then.

Pardon me if I feel inclined to drag myself into this. I drove a cab for 33 years. I also did a lot of hitch hiking. They are kind of the same thing, related in some ways. Hitch hiking or driving the cab I would never feel bothered knowing the guy in the back is a murderer. Unless he's a spree killer and I'm next on his list. As a matter of fact - true - when someone would get in the cab and tell me, "I just got out of prison", it would make me more trusting of the person.

But I did get beat in the cab once by a guy claiming he just got out of the state pen here in NC. He looked it too. He even told me the money was on the other end. I took a lot of gambles driving the cab. I would say most paid off. Even if they didn't pay off money wise, they paid off later story telling wise. My philosophy was I was pretty much getting beat by the dispatchers anyway, so why not beat myself now and then. The just out of prison guy approached me at a Dunkin Donuts. I told him I'd take him. His grandmother would pay on the other end.

But it was a 40 mile ride. A good one. A good pay day. When we got there she wasn't home. I don't believe it was even the right house. Then he went to a phone and called or pretended to call someone. He explained the money was further down the road. I agreed to take him. The masochism was kicking in. He got out and made another call. "No, they're further down the highway", he said. I wound up taking this guy like 70 miles down the road chasing after that cash.

Finally he wants to use the phone again. I pulled into a gas station. The phone was within viewing distance but I wanted to get rid of this guy anyway. I needed to give him an out. I bent over the front seat as if checking something out in back. Then I pulled out a map book and pretended to be absorbed in it. I gave it a good minute or two. When I looked up he was gone. At last. I drove back to W-S. When I got back I had a good 5 hours left on my shift and I just went to town taking every crap order they'd give me and when it was all over I actually wound up making $50 for the night. But ordinarily when a guy gets in and says he just got out of prison or he's looking for a whore or for drugs, usually that's a good sign. Wrong or right, I tend to trust people who admit shit up front. So if a guy says he's a murderer - and if he's not in the middle of a random spree - I might actually feel safer with him than with the average clown who claims to have never killed.

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On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 6:43:21 PM UTC-4, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Amazing anyone would be bothered by a convicted murder. People were so shallow then.
> Pardon me if I feel inclined to drag myself into this. I drove a cab for 33 years. I also did a lot of hitch hiking. They are kind of the same thing, related in some ways. Hitch hiking or driving the cab I would never feel bothered knowing the guy in the back is a murderer. Unless he's a spree killer and I'm next on his list. As a matter of fact - true - when someone would get in the cab and tell me, "I just got out of prison", it would make me more trusting of the person.
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> But I did get beat in the cab once by a guy claiming he just got out of the state pen here in NC. He looked it too. He even told me the money was on the other end. I took a lot of gambles driving the cab. I would say most paid off. Even if they didn't pay off money wise, they paid off later story telling wise. My philosophy was I was pretty much getting beat by the dispatchers anyway, so why not beat myself now and then. The just out of prison guy approached me at a Dunkin Donuts. I told him I'd take him. His grandmother would pay on the other end.
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> But it was a 40 mile ride. A good one. A good pay day. When we got there she wasn't home. I don't believe it was even the right house. Then he went to a phone and called or pretended to call someone. He explained the money was further down the road. I agreed to take him. The masochism was kicking in. He got out and made another call. "No, they're further down the highway", he said. I wound up taking this guy like 70 miles down the road chasing after that cash.
>
> Finally he wants to use the phone again. I pulled into a gas station. The phone was within viewing distance but I wanted to get rid of this guy anyway. I needed to give him an out. I bent over the front seat as if checking something out in back. Then I pulled out a map book and pretended to be absorbed in it. I gave it a good minute or two. When I looked up he was gone. At last. I drove back to W-S. When I got back I had a good 5 hours left on my shift and I just went to town taking every crap order they'd give me and when it was all over I actually wound up making $50 for the night. But ordinarily when a guy gets in and says he just got out of prison or he's looking for a whore or for drugs, usually that's a good sign. Wrong or right, I tend to trust people who admit shit up front. So if a guy says he's a murderer - and if he's not in the middle of a random spree - I might actually feel safer with him than with the average clown who claims to have never killed.

You are waved down by a guy covered in blood. You ask if he is hurt bad. He says no but the other guy is.

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> You are waved down by a guy covered in blood. You ask if he is hurt bad. He says no but the other guy is.

Reminds me of a guy named Dana at the poolroom who used to walk up the steps on his hands and do 25 handstand pushups in a row, if that means anything.. He was telling me about 3 guys who were giving him a hard time and he called an ambulance. "Did they do anything for you?", I asked. He said, "I didn't call for me, I called for them." I don't know if he made it up or not but it was a nice story that seemed to roll out unforced. I would pick up the bloody guy but he might have to show me money first. Even without money, if he's fleeing someone or something, even if he is guilty of something, I would at least get him out of the area before telling him he's got to go.

I'm a nice guy. Please, believe me!


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