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* Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
+* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?wattney
|`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
| `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|  `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
|   `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|    `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
|     +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     |+* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
|     ||`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     || `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
|     ||  `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     ||   `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
|     ||    +- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     ||    `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     ||     `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Sn!pe
|     ||      `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     ||       `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
|     ||        `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Nadegda
|     |+- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?David Canzi
|     |+* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
|     ||+* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     |||`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Free Speech
|     ||| +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
|     ||| |`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     ||| | +- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Sn!pe
|     ||| | `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Richmond
|     ||| `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
|     ||`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?The Clatch
|     || `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
|     |+* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?David Canzi
|     ||`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     || `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?David Canzi
|     ||  `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     |`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?The Clatch
|     | `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     |  +- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Sn!pe
|     |  +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  |`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     |  | +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | |`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     |  | | `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | |  +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | |  |`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     |  | |  | +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | |  | |`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
|     |  | |  | | `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | |  | `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
|     |  | |  `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman
|     |  | |   +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
|     |  | |   |`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | |   | `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
|     |  | |   |  `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | |   |   `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
|     |  | |   |    `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | |   |     +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
|     |  | |   |     |`- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | |   |     `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?SWD
|     |  | |   |      `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | |   |       +- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Mr Ön!on
|     |  | |   |       `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?SWD
|     |  | |   |        `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | |   |         `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Uwe
|     |  | |   |          `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Skeeter
|     |  | |   `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?William Stickers
|     |  | `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
|     |  |  +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Richmond
|     |  |  |`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
|     |  |  | `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Richmond
|     |  |  |  `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
|     |  |  |   `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Richmond
|     |  |  |    `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?socialite
|     |  |  `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?socialite
|     |  |   +- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Nadegda
|     |  |   `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Marco Moock
|     |  `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Ivo Gandolfo
|     |   +- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?MR
|     |   `* Re: ??????????????Any updates on aioe and mixmin???????????????🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈Jen🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 Dershmender 💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🐶笛🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈
|     |    +- Re: ??????????????Any updates on aioe and mixmin???????????????Skeeter
|     |    `* Re: 🏳️‍🌈Any updates oRoberto Wolfe IIV
|     |     `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Canada pays more than the USA
|     |      +- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Checkmate
|     |      `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Rob Wolfe
|     `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Checkmate
|      `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Sn!pe
|       +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?mixed nuts
|       |`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Sn!pe
|       | `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?mixed nuts
|       |  +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
|       |  |`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?mixed nuts
|       |  | `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
|       |  +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Sn!pe
|       |  |`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?mixed nuts
|       |  | `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Sn!pe
|       |  |  `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?mixed nuts
|       |  `- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Snoopy
|       `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Snoopy
|        `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Sn!pe
|         `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Snoopy
|          +* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Sn!pe
|          |+* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Nadegda
|          |`- Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Snoopy
|          `* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Adam H. Kerman
+* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Sean
+* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?Paul
`* Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?badgolferman

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 by: Nadegda - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 04:21 UTC

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 16:41:01 +0000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
>>Sn!pe wrote:
>>>
>>> William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> > [...]
>>> > >
>>> > > Don't deflect, seamus
>>> >
>>> > Not everyone is Derbyshire, you blithering idiot.
>>>
>>> I think 'Seamus' is a generic epithet, Bill.
>>
>>Kerman once ID'd me as Seamus. He calls a lot of posters
>>that.

There's a clinical term for that: Fregoli Delusion.

And badgolferman, your confusion is understandable. For some odd reason
they named this kook newsgroup "alt.free.newsservers" so you can be
forgiven for thinking it was a group for discussing free newsservers,
when it's actually part of an online lunatic asylum comprising this
group, alt.checkmate, and, of course, alt.usenet.kooks.

There's a lot more mis-named newsgroups. One of the most prominent
conservative politics newsgroups somehow got named "rec.arts.tv", for
example, rather than the much more precise "alt.fan.fox-and-friends".

I blame Comcast.

Now if you'll excuse me it's time for me to prepare Kerman's daily
thorazine injection and then do a bed check.

<snicker>

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

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 by: Nadegda - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 04:44 UTC

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 02:44:14 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

> Snoopy <therealsnoopy@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> spurted out the following:
>> > Snoopy <therealsnoopy@protonmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> spurted out the following:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> >> > ITYF that all you need to register at E-S is a working email to
>> >> > confirm your bona fides, your choice of account name and then
>> >> > whatever From: name and address you like. Excessive morphing
>> >> > or other bad behaviour will get you TOSsed. I imagine that Ray
>> >> >would take precautions against people registering multiple accounts.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> You can use a temporary email to register the ES account.
>> >>
>> >
>> > [hypothetical]
>> >
>> > Given that the server sees the poster's IP it would be trivial
>> > to check for multiple accounts using the same IP. Even if you
>> > use a VPN and change IP between switching posting accounts,
>> > it would only take one slip and use the same IP for two accounts
>> > to ring an alarm bell.

You sound like you're speaking from personal experience.

<snicker>

>> vpn --> tor --> nntp
>>
>> Or vpn --> tor --> Open Socks5 --> nntp
>
> Sure, but only a career t0rll would go to those lengths.

You would know.

<snicker>

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

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 by: Marco Moock - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 06:51 UTC

Am 13.04.2023 schrieb The Clatch <wongway@joe.net>:

> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote in
> news:u171cf$18kd$2@dont-email.me:
>
> > Am 12.04.2023 um 15:43:06 Uhr schrieb badgolferman:
> >
> >> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> What other privacy focused free news servers offer free
> >> >> registration with no username or password required, other than
> >> >> paganini.bofh.team:119 today?
> >> >
> >> > You can use eternal-septemberg, they don't verify your name, you
> >> > can enter Donald Duck.
> >>
> >> It's surprising that you didn't understand the question since you
> >> are supposed to be knowledgeable in nntp server administration
> >> tasks.
> >
> > You asked impossible things. Either it allows posting without
> > registration or it needs registration, that is maybe free.
> >
> > Servers that don't need login and allow posting are most of the time
> > used for posting spam and troll messages. Everybody hates them and
> > so only a small amount of people operate such servers.
>
> That's simply not true. Free servers are appreciated and respected.
> There are always a few turds who smell up a public communication
> resource
> - unless it's a sewer by design, like Twitter for example.

In the German de.* hierarchy, many trolls from aioe and mixmin came.
Many users now automatically delete posts from mixmin. aioe is dead and
no troll can abuse it anymore.

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 by: Marco Moock - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 06:58 UTC

Am 13.04.2023 schrieb badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>:

> William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
>
> > FFS, just register at one of the servers that requires a
> > valid email for registration with a throwaway email
> > account. The email I'm using here is valid, but I rarely
> > check it. Or just carry on moaning.

> The question is what free no-registration news servers do you know of?

I also know

news.tlt.ru
news.tambov.ru

> Then there are no-registration news servers which don't require login
> credentials such as those from Paolo & Steve & Ivo & others who are
> even kinder since they provide their servers without need for
> registration.

They aren't kind - they are nasty for all people because the operate
open gateways that are being abused.

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 by: Marco Moock - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 07:00 UTC

Am 13.04.2023 schrieb badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>:

> Does news.novabbs.org:119 work for you (with registration, of course)?
> Because it failed every time I tried it (with registration, of
> course).

Yes, it worked.
The admin is also active in the rocksolid.* hierarchy, so ask there if
it is a general problem.

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 by: Marco Moock - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 07:01 UTC

Am 13.04.2023 schrieb William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com>:

> No. It was news.cyber23.de. Closed for posting now so I don't mind
> telling you it.

Because people abused it.

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 by: William Stickers - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:41 UTC

Marco Moock wrote:
>
> Am 13.04.2023 schrieb William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com>:
>
> > No. It was news.cyber23.de. Closed for posting now so I don't mind
> > telling you it.
>
> Because people abused it.

Obviously and I agree with you that a lot of abuse comes
from open servers.

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 by: Richmond - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:44 UTC

Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> writes:

>> Then there are no-registration news servers which don't require login
>> credentials such as those from Paolo & Steve & Ivo & others who are
>> even kinder since they provide their servers without need for
>> registration.
>
> They aren't kind - they are nasty for all people because the operate
> open gateways that are being abused.

I disagree. The internet is abused but that doesn't mean the internet is
nasty.

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 by: Marco Moock - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:51 UTC

Am 14.04.2023 schrieb Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>:

> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> writes:
>
> >> Then there are no-registration news servers which don't require
> >> login credentials such as those from Paolo & Steve & Ivo & others
> >> who are even kinder since they provide their servers without need
> >> for registration.
> >
> > They aren't kind - they are nasty for all people because the operate
> > open gateways that are being abused.
>
> I disagree. The internet is abused but that doesn't mean the internet
> is nasty.

Operators of servers who don't care that their machine is being abused
are the nasty people.

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 by: Snoopy - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:54 UTC

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 02:44:14 +0100, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> spurted out the following:
> Snoopy <therealsnoopy@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> spurted out the following:
>> > Snoopy <therealsnoopy@protonmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> spurted out the following:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> >> > ITYF that all you need to register at E-S is a working email to
>> >> > confirm your bona fides, your choice of account name and then
>> >> > whatever From: name and address you like. Excessive morphing
>> >> > or other bad behaviour will get you TOSsed. I imagine that Ray
>> >> >would take precautions against people registering multiple accounts.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> You can use a temporary email to register the ES account.
>> >>
>> >
>> > [hypothetical]
>> >
>> > Given that the server sees the poster's IP it would be trivial
>> > to check for multiple accounts using the same IP. Even if you
>> > use a VPN and change IP between switching posting accounts,
>> > it would only take one slip and use the same IP for two accounts
>> > to ring an alarm bell.
>> >
>>
>> vpn --> tor --> nntp
>>
>> Or vpn --> tor --> Open Socks5 --> nntp
>>
>
> Sure, but only a career t0rll would go to those lengths.
> Besides, my "only one slip" comment would still apply.
>

To aovid that, just always launch it from a script.

--
The Real Snoopy

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 by: Richmond - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 10:13 UTC

Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> writes:

> Am 14.04.2023 schrieb Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>:
>
>> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> writes:
>>
>> >> Then there are no-registration news servers which don't require
>> >> login credentials such as those from Paolo & Steve & Ivo & others
>> >> who are even kinder since they provide their servers without need
>> >> for registration.
>> >
>> > They aren't kind - they are nasty for all people because the operate
>> > open gateways that are being abused.
>>
>> I disagree. The internet is abused but that doesn't mean the internet
>> is nasty.
>
> Operators of servers who don't care that their machine is being abused
> are the nasty people.

How do you know they don't care? Maybe they don't think that there is anything
they can do about it. There is also abuse on other platforms where you
do have to register.

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 by: Sn!pe - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 10:22 UTC

Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> wrote:

> <snicker>

Go away, Paul. [fu2: bit-bucket]

--
^Ï^. – Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.

<https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

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 by: Marco Moock - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 10:25 UTC

Am 14.04.2023 schrieb Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>:

> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> writes:
>
> > Am 14.04.2023 schrieb Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>:
> >
> >> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> writes:
> >>
> >> >> Then there are no-registration news servers which don't require
> >> >> login credentials such as those from Paolo & Steve & Ivo &
> >> >> others who are even kinder since they provide their servers
> >> >> without need for registration.
> >> >
> >> > They aren't kind - they are nasty for all people because the
> >> > operate open gateways that are being abused.
> >>
> >> I disagree. The internet is abused but that doesn't mean the
> >> internet is nasty.
> >
> > Operators of servers who don't care that their machine is being
> > abused are the nasty people.
>
> How do you know they don't care? Maybe they don't think that there is
> anything they can do about it. There is also abuse on other platforms
> where you do have to register.

Check the attack on de.test the last days via mixmin. This is one of
the examples Chris Crooks gives a fuck about what comes
out of his spam server mixmin.

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Subject: Re: Any updates on aioe and mixmin?
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 by: Richmond - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 10:33 UTC

Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> writes:

> Am 14.04.2023 schrieb Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>:
>
>> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> writes:
>>
>> > Am 14.04.2023 schrieb Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>:
>> >
>> >> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> writes:
>> >>
>> >> >> Then there are no-registration news servers which don't require
>> >> >> login credentials such as those from Paolo & Steve & Ivo &
>> >> >> others who are even kinder since they provide their servers
>> >> >> without need for registration.
>> >> >
>> >> > They aren't kind - they are nasty for all people because the
>> >> > operate open gateways that are being abused.
>> >>
>> >> I disagree. The internet is abused but that doesn't mean the
>> >> internet is nasty.
>> >
>> > Operators of servers who don't care that their machine is being
>> > abused are the nasty people.
>>
>> How do you know they don't care? Maybe they don't think that there is
>> anything they can do about it. There is also abuse on other platforms
>> where you do have to register.
>
> Check the attack on de.test the last days via mixmin. This is one of
> the examples Chris Crooks gives a fuck about what comes
> out of his spam server mixmin.

OK but that problem could be solved without registration by limiting the
number of posts per minute.

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 13:12 UTC

William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>>. . .

>>What useless newsgroup did you try to start that no one blowing sunshine
>>up your ass in alt.config prevented you from finding an audience?

>I've forgotten how many alt* froups I've newgrouped,

Any idiot can send a newgroup message. Were any of these newgroup
messages sent because there was an audience for the proposed newsgroup,
or did you just add to the massive list of failed newsgroups?

>but I know I never discussed them in alt.config or sought anyone's
>approval in alt.config.

Gee, that's nice, 'cuz there is no approval to seek in alt.config. No
one ever claimed otherwise except idiots like you who lie about the
nature of discussion that takes place.

alt.config discussed proposals for newsgroups and gives guidance to a
proponent in how to find an audience. Most proponents don't want to hear
that no audience exists for their proposed newsgroup unless and until
the find people already disucssing the topic and figure out if they are
truly motivated to discuss the topic in a new group.

>The only time I've done the discussion thang is when I was the proponent
>for a new local froup in uk*, which after a civil discussion was approved
>and the cmsg newgroup sent.

How nice that you are civil in other hierarchies. It's incivil to send
newgroup messages to deliberately start spamtraps, which it sure sounds
like you've done.

>>How many sockpuppets ago was that?

>>See if you can hold that grudge for another 20 years.

>As I never partook in any discussion in alt.config I couldn't care less about your antics in there
>which was just pissing in the wind. New group cmsgs were sent anyway.
>You being a fucking arsehole is what grates with me, so if you piss me
>off, I'll let you know.

Clearly you just lied about not caring less. You're the one who raised
this utter irrelevancy. You're upset. It gnaws upon you. You really need
to get over it.

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 13:14 UTC

Snoopy <therealsnoopy@protonmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 01:57:43 +0100, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> spurted
>out the following:
>> Snoopy <therealsnoopy@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> spurted out the following:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> > ITYF that all you need to register at E-S is a working email to
>>> > confirm your bona fides, your choice of account name and then
>>> > whatever From: name and address you like. Excessive morphing
>>> > or other bad behaviour will get you TOSsed. I imagine that Ray
>>> >would take precautions against people registering multiple accounts.
>>> >
>>>
>>> You can use a temporary email to register the ES account.
>>>
>>
>> [hypothetical]
>>
>> Given that the server sees the poster's IP it would be trivial
>> to check for multiple accounts using the same IP. Even if you
>> use a VPN and change IP between switching posting accounts,
>> it would only take one slip and use the same IP for two accounts
>> to ring an alarm bell.
>>
>
>vpn --> tor --> nntp
>
>Or vpn --> tor --> Open Socks5 --> nntp

You skipped the method to disguise the same old idiocy. It's not like
it's not obvious who posted what. There can be no privacy.

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 by: socialite - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:30 UTC

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:58:59 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

>> The question is what free no-registration news servers do you know of?
>
> I also know
>
> news.tlt.ru
> news.tambov.ru

I don't know how to test posting to these two newsgroups
(other than to set them to port 119 in my news reader).

Posting to a.f.n using news.tambov.ru:119 (with no username or password set).
Status = failed

Are these the only newsgroups on that server?
control Various control messages (no posting).
control.cancel Cancel messages (no posting).
control.checkgroups Hierarchy check control messages (no posting).
control.newgroup Newsgroup creation control messages (no posting).
control.rmgroup Newsgroup removal control messages (no posting).
free.go.woke.go.broke Need you ask?
free.lyin.biden When Biden's lips are moving.
junk Unfiled articles (no posting).
tambov.test Local test newsgroup.

Posting to a,f.n using news.tlt.ru:119 (with no username or password set).
Status = failed

Are these the only newsgroups on that server?
alt.comp.os.windows-11 For all things related to Microsoft Windows version 11.
alt.russian.z1 Russians abroad talk
control Various control messages (no posting).
control.cancel Cancel messages (no posting).
control.checkgroups Hierarchy check control messages (no posting).
control.newgroup Newsgroup creation control messages (no posting).
control.rmgroup Newsgroup removal control messages (no posting).
de.alt.hoerfunk Hoerfunk: Radio, Programme, Sendungen etc.
free.2020.covid.election.fraud Democrats cheated with China!
free.2020.covid.voter.fraud Because it was.
free.2020.democrat.covid.election.fraud Because it was.
free.2020.democrat.covid.voter.fraud Because it was.
free.affirmative.action.ketanji.brown.jackson Discuss racist SCOTUS
free.black.marxist.racist.michelle.obama Michelle Obama's racist
free.bozo.karine.john-peter Karine Jean-Pierre's incompetence
free.cassidy.hutchinson.perjury Cassity Hutchinson the mistake
free.comp.ipfs Discussion about InterPlanetary File System
free.covid.election.fraud Democrats cheated with China!
free.giggling.hyena.kamala.harris Kamala is a moron
free.go.woke.go.broke Need you ask?
free.jan6.witchhunt.committee Liz oinker Cheney
free.liberals.cant.tell.boys.from.girls 202X truths!
free.liz.cheney.backstabber Liz Cheney's voter disloyalty
free.lyin.biden When Biden's lips are moving.
junk Unfiled articles (no posting).

What's a better test that I can run from the command line?

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 by: socialite - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:50 UTC

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 11:33:17 +0100, Richmond wrote:

>> Check the attack on de.test the last days via mixmin. This is one of
>> the examples Chris Crooks gives a fuck about what comes
>> out of his spam server mixmin.
>
> OK but that problem could be solved without registration by limiting the
> number of posts per minute.

Marco's position is, in my humble opinion, unreasonably Draconian.
Many people believe others have no rights and they want to take them away.

Steve Crook believes in rights and one of those rights is personal privacy.

Marco doesn't want people to have personal privacy because he feels that
some people abuse that personal privacy right - and Marco is correct.

But it's the wrong approach, in my humble opinion, to restrict people's
rights to privacy just because "some" people abuse those rights to spam.

You don't stop spam by requiring everyone to register an email, do you?

IMHO, people can (and will) abuse news servers with or without registration
being required so to focus on registration is the wrong focus for abuse.

It's exactly like saying that by requiring registration for email, abuse
will be stopped - because everyone knows that isn't even close to accurate.

It's almost like saying if you want to stop drug abuse, you have to stop
the growing of the drugs - which - while it's what countries attempt,
doesn't seem to be working all that well - because it's not the growth of
the drug plant which is _causing_ the abuse in the first place.

If it's not the cause - then breaking it will never be the solution.

Specifically, if lack of registration is not the cause of the abuse, then
it's small minded to think breaking that will ever be a solution. It won't.

Abuse is caused by abusers. Not server administrators. (At least we hope.)

Having made the point that lack of registration isn't the cause of abuse
so requiring registration will never stop abuse, I would think it's harder
for the server admin to contain abuse without being able to cancel
registration.

So how do they stop abuse?
I don't know.

I suspect admins may limit the number or frequency of posts per "from"
line, and/or they may limit the post from the sender's IP address perhaps.

Certainly many admits limit crossposting and double posting, don't they?
I'm sure they have badword filters too. And bad domains in the message.

And I have seen some evidence admins temporarily or permanently block
problematic newsgroups which have been taken over by abuse, don't they?

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 by: William Stickers - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 15:46 UTC

Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
> >Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> >>>. . .
>
> >>What useless newsgroup did you try to start that no one blowing sunshine
> >>up your ass in alt.config prevented you from finding an audience?
>
> >I've forgotten how many alt* froups I've newgrouped,
>
> Any idiot can send a newgroup message. Were any of these newgroup
> messages sent because there was an audience for the proposed newsgroup,
> or did you just add to the massive list of failed newsgroups?

At the time they were used.

> >but I know I never discussed them in alt.config or sought anyone's
> >approval in alt.config.
>
> Gee, that's nice, 'cuz there is no approval to seek in alt.config. No
> one ever claimed otherwise except idiots like you who lie about the
> nature of discussion that takes place.

I said, Seamus, that I'd never discussed them in
alt.config or sought anyone's approval there. That isn't
a lie. Try spinning it another way.

> alt.config discussed proposals for newsgroups and gives guidance to a
> proponent in how to find an audience. Most proponents don't want to hear
> that no audience exists for their proposed newsgroup unless and until
> the find people already disucssing the topic and figure out if they are
> truly motivated to discuss the topic in a new group.

And so fucking what? It all amounts to nothing.

> >The only time I've done the discussion thang is when I was the proponent
> >for a new local froup in uk*, which after a civil discussion was approved
> >and the cmsg newgroup sent.
>
> How nice that you are civil in other hierarchies.

The alt* hierarchy isn't the uk* hierarchy. The uk*
hierarchy is managed. Only the uk control can send cmsgs
there. The alt* hierarchy is the wild west and anyone
could do as they wanted.

> It's incivil to send
> newgroup messages to deliberately start spamtraps, which it sure sounds
> like you've done.

Those newsgroups were used at the time. Now they are
empty or full of spam. alt.config is mostly spam. The
newsgroup I proposed in uk.local* has been rmgrouped, as
has most of the froups in uk.local*. Usenet is dying, you
fucking muppet. Do try and keep up.

> >>How many sockpuppets ago was that?
>
> >>See if you can hold that grudge for another 20 years.
>
> >As I never partook in any discussion in alt.config I couldn't care less about your antics in there
> >which was just pissing in the wind. New group cmsgs were sent anyway.
> >You being a fucking arsehole is what grates with me, so if you piss me
> >off, I'll let you know.
>
> Clearly you just lied about not caring less. You're the one who raised
> this utter irrelevancy.

I pointed out to you that every nitpicking jerk in
alt.config isn't called Kerman for illustrative purposes.
Just like every autistic fuckwit isn't seamus, Seamus.

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 by: William Stickers - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 15:48 UTC

Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> Snoopy <therealsnoopy@protonmail.com> wrote:
> >On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 01:57:43 +0100, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> spurted
> >out the following:
> >> Snoopy <therealsnoopy@protonmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> spurted out the following:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>> > ITYF that all you need to register at E-S is a working email to
> >>> > confirm your bona fides, your choice of account name and then
> >>> > whatever From: name and address you like. Excessive morphing
> >>> > or other bad behaviour will get you TOSsed. I imagine that Ray
> >>> >would take precautions against people registering multiple accounts.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> You can use a temporary email to register the ES account.
> >>>
> >>
> >> [hypothetical]
> >>
> >> Given that the server sees the poster's IP it would be trivial
> >> to check for multiple accounts using the same IP. Even if you
> >> use a VPN and change IP between switching posting accounts,
> >> it would only take one slip and use the same IP for two accounts
> >> to ring an alarm bell.
> >>
> >
> >vpn --> tor --> nntp
> >
> >Or vpn --> tor --> Open Socks5 --> nntp
>
> You skipped the method to disguise the same old idiocy. It's not like
> it's not obvious who posted what. There can be no privacy.

Fuck off, Seamus.

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 by: Seamus Coleman - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 17:00 UTC

On 14/04/2023 16:48, William Stickers wrote:
> Fuck off, Seamus.

I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING TO YOU. IF YOU DON'T LIKE KERMAN THEN CONTACT
HIM BY EMAIL ON "Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>" AND TELL HIM
TO F/O. HE DESERVES IT MORE THAN ME!!!!. I THINK HE USES HIS REAL EMAIL.

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 17:14 UTC

William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>>>>. . .

>>>>What useless newsgroup did you try to start that no one blowing sunshine
>>>>up your ass in alt.config prevented you from finding an audience?

>>>I've forgotten how many alt* froups I've newgrouped,

>>Any idiot can send a newgroup message. Were any of these newgroup
>>messages sent because there was an audience for the proposed newsgroup,
>>or did you just add to the massive list of failed newsgroups?

>At the time they were used.

No audience except right at the beginning.

You have not persuaded me that you weren't useless as a proponent. You
didn't do the work, gave up when no audience magically appeared, then
sent newgroup messages for other useless newsgroups. Lather, rinse,
repeat

There's no reason to read any more.

>>>. . .

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Seamus Coleman wrote:
>
> On 14/04/2023 16:48, William Stickers wrote:
> > Fuck off, Seamus.
>
> I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING TO YOU. IF YOU DON'T LIKE KERMAN THEN CONTACT
> HIM BY EMAIL ON "Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>" AND TELL HIM
> TO F/O. HE DESERVES IT MORE THAN ME!!!!. I THINK HE USES HIS REAL EMAIL.

Fuck off, Seamus.

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 by: William Stickers - Fri, 14 Apr 2023 18:21 UTC

Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
> >Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
> >>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> >>>>>. . .
>
> >>>>What useless newsgroup did you try to start that no one blowing sunshine
> >>>>up your ass in alt.config prevented you from finding an audience?
>
> >>>I've forgotten how many alt* froups I've newgrouped,
>
> >>Any idiot can send a newgroup message. Were any of these newgroup
> >>messages sent because there was an audience for the proposed newsgroup,
> >>or did you just add to the massive list of failed newsgroups?
>
> >At the time they were used.
>
> No audience except right at the beginning.
>
> You have not persuaded me that you weren't useless as a proponent. You
> didn't do the work, gave up when no audience magically appeared, then
> sent newgroup messages for other useless newsgroups. Lather, rinse,
> repeat

Nice snippage. Well done.

> There's no reason to read any more.

Good. Fuck off.

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 16:46:39 +0100, William Stickers wrote:

> Just like every autistic fuckwit isn't seamus, Seamus.

Ableism is bad, mmkay?


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