Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 4/8/2023 3:25 PM, Markem618 wrote:

>Correct. But it should not be an issue with the next home owner as the
>junction box will be accessible IF the end of the line receptical
>stooped working because a wire nut fell off and the connection came
>loose. That could happen at any junction box.

But how will the next owner know that the Jbox is there?

On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
> >On 4/8/2023 3:25 PM, Markem618 wrote:
>
> >Correct. But it should not be an issue with the next home owner as the
> >junction box will be accessible IF the end of the line receptical
> >stooped working because a wire nut fell off and the connection came
> >loose. That could happen at any junction box.
> But how will the next owner know that the Jbox is there?

That is not a NEC concern and certainly not a violation.

If the next homeowner can't find the junction box and/or isn't willing
to learn how to trace wires, he should call an electrician. Any decent
electrician will have the tools/knowledge to find a junction box, even
one actually hidden behind drywall - which is not Leon's situation.

A junction box behind a cabinet drawer is just as accessible (as
defined by the NEC) as junction box covered with insulation (other
than spray foam, of course).

"Accessible (as applied to wiring methods). Capable of being removed
or exposed without damaging the building structure or finish or not
permanently closed in by the structure or finish of the building."

On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 11:40:26 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> On 4/9/2023 9:55 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
>
> Snip
> >>>
> >>> That depends on the mode of failure. Fire can affect lots of things. That's
> >>> why I brought up the new receptacle and article 314.20 regarding the box
> >>> being flush with the finished surface. The box and/or extension rings are
> >>> there to contain sparks (and small flames) from causing serious issues.
> >> Yes, the new receptical is in a box and flush with the surface.
> >>>
> >
> > The NEC is kind of like our constitution. There are different ways to
> > interpret the wording and that often leads to confusion. So, I have to
> > ask...
> >
> > Do you mean "the new receptacle is in a box and the *box* is flush with the
> > surface" or simply that the *receptacle* is flush with the surface?
> Yes, the box is flush with the surface. Relatively, Some boxes extend
> past the surface about 1/16" by design. The mounting tabs are proud
> but against the surface. The cover plate fits flush against the
> mounting surface too.

I will sleep better now. ;-)

>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52804635584/in/datetaken/
> >
> > Since the receptacle is the subject of your sentence, the "and flush with
> > the surface" refers to the receptacle, leaving the reader to wonder about
> > the box. The code requires the box to be flush with the surface, not the
> > receptacle. (Consider a recessed receptacle behind a TV.)
> >
> > I'm not nit-picking, just trying to understand your installation.
> >

On 4/9/2023 10:57 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 4/8/2023 12:23 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>> On 4/4/2023 6:10 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
>>>> And this connection that I am extending terminated at that wall plug.
>>>> It was a simple connection, there were only the single ground, neutral,
>>>> and hot wires coming in. I understand the concerns but if my
>>>> connection fails it will not affect any of the other outlets on the circuit.
>>>
>>> There may be failure modes that could cause problems, a loose neutral
>>> for instance.
>>
>> Understood but my connections were pretwisted with pliers and nipped to
>> equal length before the wire nuts were added so I believe that this will
>> not be an issue.
>
> I highly recommend WAGO connectors rather than wirenuts.

I looked at them, and really considered them, but I had a load of wire
nuts on hand.

On 4/9/2023 10:57 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 4/8/2023 3:25 PM, Markem618 wrote:
>
>> Correct. But it should not be an issue with the next home owner as the
>> junction box will be accessible IF the end of the line receptical
>> stooped working because a wire nut fell off and the connection came
>> loose. That could happen at any junction box.
>
> But how will the next owner know that the Jbox is there?

Open the drawer and look inside. or if they pull the receptical and
the board holding the box the wiring will show them the way. This is
all designed for relatively easy access.

On 4/9/2023 1:48 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 11:40:26 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/9/2023 9:55 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>>
>> Snip
>>>>>
>>>>> That depends on the mode of failure. Fire can affect lots of things. That's
>>>>> why I brought up the new receptacle and article 314.20 regarding the box
>>>>> being flush with the finished surface. The box and/or extension rings are
>>>>> there to contain sparks (and small flames) from causing serious issues.
>>>> Yes, the new receptical is in a box and flush with the surface.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> The NEC is kind of like our constitution. There are different ways to
>>> interpret the wording and that often leads to confusion. So, I have to
>>> ask...
>>>
>>> Do you mean "the new receptacle is in a box and the *box* is flush with the
>>> surface" or simply that the *receptacle* is flush with the surface?
>> Yes, the box is flush with the surface. Relatively, Some boxes extend
>> past the surface about 1/16" by design. The mounting tabs are proud
>> but against the surface. The cover plate fits flush against the
>> mounting surface too.
>
> I will sleep better now. ;-)

Me two!
>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52804635584/in/datetaken/