On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:35:17 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 21:47:52 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:43:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>
>>>Ever hear of a democracy? They got to vote their shares. They could
>>>have sold at any time. They may not be happy but it has nothing to do
>>>with the sale price.
>>
>>Do not think Musk is going to be happy with having to pay out One
>>Billion in interest per year out of Twitters profits and given that
>>twitter has only posted a profit in 2018 and 2019 might be digging in
>>other pockets.
>
>Yes. ...but the fat lady hasn't even gotten to the podium yet.
>
She is singing from the dressing room on this one.

On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>>>>
>>>>I know the original post is 17 years old.
>>>> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
>>>>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
>>>>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
>>>> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
>>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
>>> - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
>>>Start your dadabase / study.
>>>
>>>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
>>>
>>>Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
>>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
>>
>>It looks like a lot of junk to me.
>
>
> Which don't you like - the Festool, Veritas, Jessem ..
> Fein, Hettech, Porter Cable, ..
> I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
> John T.

I missed the track saw and track (the only Festool there). $300, now,
with a lot of bids on it. That's about a third of new, condition
unknown. That's not a terrible price if it's in good shape. Browsing
through there again, there are some stupid-high bids in there.

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:04:34 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:35:17 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 21:47:52 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:43:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ever hear of a democracy? They got to vote their shares. They could
>>>>have sold at any time. They may not be happy but it has nothing to do
>>>>with the sale price.
>>>
>>>Do not think Musk is going to be happy with having to pay out One
>>>Billion in interest per year out of Twitters profits and given that
>>>twitter has only posted a profit in 2018 and 2019 might be digging in
>>>other pockets.
>>
>>Yes. ...but the fat lady hasn't even gotten to the podium yet.
>>
>She is singing from the dressing room on this one.

I think you're wrong on this one. Musk isn't stupid. I see a
securities fraud case in here. He's been hinting around at it.

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:36:29 -0800 (PST), John Grossbohlin
<grossboj@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too. When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection. Sort of. Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some >low end. Wide variety. I bet almost everyone here if they had their stuff listed like this auction, it would look the same. I bet we all have some nice tools and some medium they got the job done tools too. And all of the >other random stuff every tool person collects over the decades.
>>
>> The auction makes me kind of sad. If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction, it would not bring the correct price. Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece. >Then you might optimize the valuable items. Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items. But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return. This big auction and everything goes quick is >not a good way to sell tools.
>
>I plan on being around another 20+ years so I have taken a different approach to my "stuff." I've given my sons and friends a lot of tools and other things and downsized. At the same time I've also gotten a lot of better tools... e.g., replaced all my screwdrivers (except the L-N), pliers, electrical tools, etc. with Klein and Knipex and got a new rolling tool cabinet. Once I had all the new stuff I regretted not doing it sooner as the tools work so much better than those I replaced!

+1

I think I've replaced everything, too, except my Unisaw but it's only
10ish years old. I have drawers full screwdrivers just taking up
space. I retired at the beginning of the year so the shop is where I'm
planning to hang out for as long as I can stand upright so I put some
real money into tools over the couple of years before.

My son isn't interested in tools at all, woodworking or home
improvement (he could certainly use it). I gave him all of my DeWalt
corded and cordless tools a few years ago and I doubt he's even
touched them. They're probably an inch deep in cobwebs in his
basement. I've just thrown away several power tools recently because
they take space that I don't want to give them anymore.

>That said, regarding seller/buyer satisfaction, what is somewhat/often times over looked are the opportunity costs of holding out for the last dollar, or holding out to save the last dollar. For one thing, time can not be recouped. Not taking a bit less has opportunity costs too... other opportunities may be missed or the market my dry up. I recently responded to a "wanted" ad and offer the guy stuff for free. While on the phone with him I found out he needed something else I had and offered him that for free too... He drove 40 miles one way and insisted on paying me for the stuff. Market value was probably in the $100-120 range and we both knew it. I said $30... he gave me $40 and was thrilled to have the stuff. I bought lunch. We were both happy. ?
>

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:19:18 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>>>>>
>>>>>I know the original post is 17 years old.
>>>>> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
>>>>>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
>>>>>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
>>>>> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
>>>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
>>>> - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
>>>>Start your dadabase / study.
>>>>
>>>>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
>>>>
>>>>Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
>>>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
>>>
>>>It looks like a lot of junk to me.
>>
>>
>> Which don't you like - the Festool, Veritas, Jessem ..
>> Fein, Hettech, Porter Cable, ..
>> I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
>> John T.
>
>I missed the track saw and track (the only Festool there). $300, now,
>with a lot of bids on it. That's about a third of new, condition
>unknown. That's not a terrible price if it's in good shape. Browsing
>through there again, there are some stupid-high bids in there.

Wait until closing-time - suppertime Wednesday -
that's when the bidding often takes off ..
John T.

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:35:39 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:04:34 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:35:17 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 21:47:52 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:43:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Ever hear of a democracy? They got to vote their shares. They could
>>>>>have sold at any time. They may not be happy but it has nothing to do
>>>>>with the sale price.
>>>>
>>>>Do not think Musk is going to be happy with having to pay out One
>>>>Billion in interest per year out of Twitters profits and given that
>>>>twitter has only posted a profit in 2018 and 2019 might be digging in
>>>>other pockets.
>>>
>>>Yes. ...but the fat lady hasn't even gotten to the podium yet.
>>>
>>She is singing from the dressing room on this one.
>
>I think you're wrong on this one. Musk isn't stupid. I see a
>securities fraud case in here. He's been hinting around at it.

As is the way with reckless billionaires, bury them in lawyers. A
judge already stifled his notions and made him shell out money he
really did not want too.

I do not kmow about his judgement in some things, smoking a joint
during a company meeting on camera?

His Mars plan lacks one vital element, nitrogen.

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:09:27 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:35:39 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:04:34 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:35:17 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 21:47:52 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:43:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ever hear of a democracy? They got to vote their shares. They could
>>>>>>have sold at any time. They may not be happy but it has nothing to do
>>>>>>with the sale price.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do not think Musk is going to be happy with having to pay out One
>>>>>Billion in interest per year out of Twitters profits and given that
>>>>>twitter has only posted a profit in 2018 and 2019 might be digging in
>>>>>other pockets.
>>>>
>>>>Yes. ...but the fat lady hasn't even gotten to the podium yet.
>>>>
>>>She is singing from the dressing room on this one.
>>
>>I think you're wrong on this one. Musk isn't stupid. I see a
>>securities fraud case in here. He's been hinting around at it.
>
>As is the way with reckless billionaires, bury them in lawyers. A
>judge already stifled his notions and made him shell out money he
>really did not want too.

Securities fraud is a whole different kettle.
>
>I do not kmow about his judgement in some things, smoking a joint
>during a company meeting on camera?
>
>His Mars plan lacks one vital element, nitrogen.

I don't think his Mars plan has anything to do with Mars.

On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:03:09 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:19:18 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know the original post is 17 years old.
>>>>>> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
>>>>>>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
>>>>>>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
>>>>>> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
>>>>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
>>>>> - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
>>>>>Start your dadabase / study.
>>>>>
>>>>>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
>>>>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
>>>>
>>>>It looks like a lot of junk to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which don't you like - the Festool, Veritas, Jessem ..
>>> Fein, Hettech, Porter Cable, ..
>>> I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
>>> John T.
>>
>>I missed the track saw and track (the only Festool there). $300, now,
>>with a lot of bids on it. That's about a third of new, condition
>>unknown. That's not a terrible price if it's in good shape. Browsing
>>through there again, there are some stupid-high bids in there.
>
>
> Wait until closing-time - suppertime Wednesday -
> that's when the bidding often takes off ..
> John T.

Yep, that's why I said "now". That's the thing about auctions. People
get too emotional for their own good.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 00:36:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> >>
> >> >>I know the original post is 17 years old.
> >> >> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
> >> >>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
> >> >>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
> >> >> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
> >> >>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
> >> > - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
> >> >Start your dadabase / study.
> >> >https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
> >> >Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
> >> >... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
> >>
> >> It looks like a lot of junk to me.
> >>
> >
> >Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too.
> > When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection.
> > Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end.
> >The auction makes me kind of sad.
> > If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction,
> > it would not bring the correct price.
> >Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece.
> >Then you might optimize the valuable items.
> >Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items.
> >But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return.
> >This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools.
> >
> Seriously ?
> Can you imagine trying to sell off this much stuff through
> online classified sites < CraigsList, Kijiji, Facebook etc .. >
> ... there are 382 auction lots - how many online arses are
> you going to be forced to meet and haggle with ?
> If we just look at clamps - he has almost 100 - arranged in
> about a dozen lots .. I can see it taking forever to get top dollar
> for them by selling through online classified sites - in the process
> you'd be dealing with low-ballers and people who want 2-of-those
> and 2-of-these .. agreeing to come for them and not showing up..
> etc etc
> .. and then you've only sold the clamps - you've just begun !
> .. uuugggh .. shudder ..
> Usually the final selling prices are shown the day-after
> the sale closes - I strongly suspect that this guy will get fair
> dollar for most of his stuff - and it will be all gone on the
> scheduled pick-up day. No fuss, no muss, no dickering.
> It's by-far the best way < the only way > to sell
> such a large quantity of stuff.
> John T.

If forced, or when I have to liquidate my stuff, I will give it to certain people. OR, get rid of it over years. 2-3-4 years. No rush. I would likely advertise the premium items. And the mid level items. That way I would eliminate dealing with the riff raff you mention. I assume someone buying a Festool, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch tool is more serious and really wants to buy the tool. And when I am selling a premium item to a buyer, I would also say look around and see if you want some other stuff too. A lot would get sold very quickly to a just a few people. As for all of the "junk" stuff. It might just be thrown out. Which is kind of what is happening with this auction. Spend 30 hours organizing the junk into lots for sale and taking pictures and writing descriptions to get $3. And then the auction house takes their 33% commission. And you have to pay the people taking the pictures and organizing the sale. For $100 of junk you get $30 and spend 60 hours working on it. I consider my time worth more than $0.50 per hour.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:40:36 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 00:36:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I know the original post is 17 years old.
>> >> >> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
>> >> >>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
>> >> >>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
>> >> >> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
>> >> >>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
>> >> > - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
>> >> >Start your dadabase / study.
>> >> >https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
>> >> >Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
>> >> >... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
>> >>
>> >> It looks like a lot of junk to me.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too.
>> > When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection.
>> > Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end.
>> >The auction makes me kind of sad.
>> > If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction,
>> > it would not bring the correct price.
>> >Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece.
>> >Then you might optimize the valuable items.
>> >Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items.
>> >But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return.
>> >This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools.
>> >
>> Seriously ?
>> Can you imagine trying to sell off this much stuff through
>> online classified sites < CraigsList, Kijiji, Facebook etc .. >
>> ... there are 382 auction lots - how many online arses are
>> you going to be forced to meet and haggle with ?
>> If we just look at clamps - he has almost 100 - arranged in
>> about a dozen lots .. I can see it taking forever to get top dollar
>> for them by selling through online classified sites - in the process
>> you'd be dealing with low-ballers and people who want 2-of-those
>> and 2-of-these .. agreeing to come for them and not showing up..
>> etc etc
>> .. and then you've only sold the clamps - you've just begun !
>> .. uuugggh .. shudder ..
>> Usually the final selling prices are shown the day-after
>> the sale closes - I strongly suspect that this guy will get fair
>> dollar for most of his stuff - and it will be all gone on the
>> scheduled pick-up day. No fuss, no muss, no dickering.
>> It's by-far the best way < the only way > to sell
>> such a large quantity of stuff.
>> John T.
>
> And then the auction house takes their 33% commission.
> And you have to pay the people taking the pictures and organizing the sale.
>

The auctioneer in this case gets 15 % from the _buyer_
< not 33 % from the seller ! >
John T.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:40:36 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 00:36:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I know the original post is 17 years old.
>> >> >> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
>> >> >>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
>> >> >>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
>> >> >> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
>> >> >>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
>> >> > - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
>> >> >Start your dadabase / study.
>> >> >https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
>> >> >Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
>> >> >... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
>> >>
>> >> It looks like a lot of junk to me.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too.
>> > When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection.
>> > Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end.
>> >The auction makes me kind of sad.
>> > If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction,
>> > it would not bring the correct price.
>> >Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece.
>> >Then you might optimize the valuable items.
>> >Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items.
>> >But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return.
>> >This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools.
>> >
>> Seriously ?
>> Can you imagine trying to sell off this much stuff through
>> online classified sites < CraigsList, Kijiji, Facebook etc .. >
>> ... there are 382 auction lots - how many online arses are
>> you going to be forced to meet and haggle with ?
>> If we just look at clamps - he has almost 100 - arranged in
>> about a dozen lots .. I can see it taking forever to get top dollar
>> for them by selling through online classified sites - in the process
>> you'd be dealing with low-ballers and people who want 2-of-those
>> and 2-of-these .. agreeing to come for them and not showing up..
>> etc etc
>> .. and then you've only sold the clamps - you've just begun !
>> .. uuugggh .. shudder ..
>> Usually the final selling prices are shown the day-after
>> the sale closes - I strongly suspect that this guy will get fair
>> dollar for most of his stuff - and it will be all gone on the
>> scheduled pick-up day. No fuss, no muss, no dickering.
>> It's by-far the best way < the only way > to sell
>> such a large quantity of stuff.
>> John T.
>
>If forced, or when I have to liquidate my stuff, I will give it to certain people. OR, get rid of it over years. 2-3-4 years. No rush. I would likely advertise the premium items. And the mid level items. That way I would eliminate dealing with the riff raff you mention. I assume someone buying a Festool, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch tool is more serious and really wants to buy the tool. And when I am selling a premium item to a buyer, I would also say look around and see if you want some other stuff too. A lot would get sold very quickly to a just a few people. As for all of the "junk" stuff. It might just be thrown out. Which is kind of what is happening with this auction. Spend 30 hours organizing the junk into lots for sale and taking pictures and writing descriptions to get $3. And then the auction house takes their 33% commission. And you have to pay the people taking the pictures and organizing the sale. For $100 of junk you get $30 and spend 60 hours working on
it.
>I consider my time worth more than $0.50 per hour.

After my MIL died, we just hired an auction house to sell everything
off. It wasn't worth my time to even go through the closets. They
came in, did the auction, carted what didn't sell off, and gave us a
check. I'd have had them do it for nothing but it worked out. The
auction house was very professional and even cleaned up the house
after. Even after their cut (30%, IIRC), we probably got more than we
would have ourselves.

You're right, even though I was off work tying up loose ends, it still
wasn't worth my time dumping it, much less selling it. What we got
was money falling from the trees, as far as I was concerned.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:06:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:40:36 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 00:36:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I know the original post is 17 years old.
> >> >> >> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
> >> >> >>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
> >> >> >>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
> >> >> >> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
> >> >> >>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
> >> >> > - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
> >> >> >Start your dadabase / study.
> >> >> >https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
> >> >> >Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
> >> >> >... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
> >> >>
> >> >> It looks like a lot of junk to me.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too.
> >> > When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection.
> >> > Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end.
> >> >The auction makes me kind of sad.
> >> > If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction,
> >> > it would not bring the correct price.
> >> >Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece.
> >> >Then you might optimize the valuable items.
> >> >Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items.
> >> >But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return.
> >> >This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools.
> >> >
> >> Seriously ?
> >> Can you imagine trying to sell off this much stuff through
> >> online classified sites < CraigsList, Kijiji, Facebook etc .. >
> >> ... there are 382 auction lots - how many online arses are
> >> you going to be forced to meet and haggle with ?
> >> If we just look at clamps - he has almost 100 - arranged in
> >> about a dozen lots .. I can see it taking forever to get top dollar
> >> for them by selling through online classified sites - in the process
> >> you'd be dealing with low-ballers and people who want 2-of-those
> >> and 2-of-these .. agreeing to come for them and not showing up..
> >> etc etc
> >> .. and then you've only sold the clamps - you've just begun !
> >> .. uuugggh .. shudder ..
> >> Usually the final selling prices are shown the day-after
> >> the sale closes - I strongly suspect that this guy will get fair
> >> dollar for most of his stuff - and it will be all gone on the
> >> scheduled pick-up day. No fuss, no muss, no dickering.
> >> It's by-far the best way < the only way > to sell
> >> such a large quantity of stuff.
> >> John T.
> >
> >If forced, or when I have to liquidate my stuff, I will give it to certain people. OR, get rid of it over years. 2-3-4 years. No rush. I would likely advertise the premium items. And the mid level items. That way I would eliminate dealing with the riff raff you mention. I assume someone buying a Festool, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch tool is more serious and really wants to buy the tool. And when I am selling a premium item to a buyer, I would also say look around and see if you want some other stuff too. A lot would get sold very quickly to a just a few people. As for all of the "junk" stuff. It might just be thrown out. Which is kind of what is happening with this auction. Spend 30 hours organizing the junk into lots for sale and taking pictures and writing descriptions to get $3. And then the auction house takes their 33% commission. And you have to pay the people taking the pictures and organizing the sale. For $100 of junk you get $30 and spend 60 hours working on
> it.
> >I consider my time worth more than $0.50 per hour.
> After my MIL died, we just hired an auction house to sell everything
> off. It wasn't worth my time to even go through the closets. They
> came in, did the auction, carted what didn't sell off, and gave us a
> check. I'd have had them do it for nothing but it worked out. The
> auction house was very professional and even cleaned up the house
> after. Even after their cut (30%, IIRC), we probably got more than we
> would have ourselves.
>
> You're right, even though I was off work tying up loose ends, it still
> wasn't worth my time dumping it, much less selling it. What we got
> was money falling from the trees, as far as I was concerned.

OK. I am not arguing too strenuously against anyone just selling everything and being done with it. Easier the better. And it is possible with the auction linked above and all of the pictures, that is what happened. Children inherited everything and are not even close to home. So they just want to be done with it and settle up. No interest in tools.

As for me I sort of know which relatives will get my tools. Sort of. Hopefully much later on I can start passing the tools down to them the way I want to and avoid any mass sell off. Just have the pure junk stuff left over.. Which can be tossed and no harm done.

As for the auction and its pictures linked above, I was coming at it from a tool lover perspective who wants to get maximum value for each tool. If they were my tools, I would go through them all and keep some of them and not sell them. I actually own many of the tools being sold in the auction. And am sort of glad I do own them. I would not want to get rid of them. And some of the other tools in the auction, I might stash under the table to take home with me. Not all of them, but some were definitely worth keeping. And even all of the junk stuff being sold, I have some junk too. And sometimes its good to have it around. There was one picture of a bunch of punches. I used a punch to unjam a coil roofing nailer last fall when roofing the house. So its good to have punches. Even though they looked like junk being sold off.

On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 13:11:59 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:06:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:40:36 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 00:36:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I know the original post is 17 years old.
>> >> >> >> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
>> >> >> >>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
>> >> >> >>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
>> >> >> >> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
>> >> >> >>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
>> >> >> > - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
>> >> >> >Start your dadabase / study.
>> >> >> >https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
>> >> >> >Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
>> >> >> >... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It looks like a lot of junk to me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too.
>> >> > When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection.
>> >> > Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end.
>> >> >The auction makes me kind of sad.
>> >> > If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction,
>> >> > it would not bring the correct price.
>> >> >Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece.
>> >> >Then you might optimize the valuable items.
>> >> >Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items.
>> >> >But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return.
>> >> >This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools.
>> >> >
>> >> Seriously ?
>> >> Can you imagine trying to sell off this much stuff through
>> >> online classified sites < CraigsList, Kijiji, Facebook etc .. >
>> >> ... there are 382 auction lots - how many online arses are
>> >> you going to be forced to meet and haggle with ?
>> >> If we just look at clamps - he has almost 100 - arranged in
>> >> about a dozen lots .. I can see it taking forever to get top dollar
>> >> for them by selling through online classified sites - in the process
>> >> you'd be dealing with low-ballers and people who want 2-of-those
>> >> and 2-of-these .. agreeing to come for them and not showing up..
>> >> etc etc
>> >> .. and then you've only sold the clamps - you've just begun !
>> >> .. uuugggh .. shudder ..
>> >> Usually the final selling prices are shown the day-after
>> >> the sale closes - I strongly suspect that this guy will get fair
>> >> dollar for most of his stuff - and it will be all gone on the
>> >> scheduled pick-up day. No fuss, no muss, no dickering.
>> >> It's by-far the best way < the only way > to sell
>> >> such a large quantity of stuff.
>> >> John T.
>> >
>> >If forced, or when I have to liquidate my stuff, I will give it to certain people. OR, get rid of it over years. 2-3-4 years. No rush. I would likely advertise the premium items. And the mid level items. That way I would eliminate dealing with the riff raff you mention. I assume someone buying a Festool, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch tool is more serious and really wants to buy the tool. And when I am selling a premium item to a buyer, I would also say look around and see if you want some other stuff too. A lot would get sold very quickly to a just a few people. As for all of the "junk" stuff. It might just be thrown out. Which is kind of what is happening with this auction. Spend 30 hours organizing the junk into lots for sale and taking pictures and writing descriptions to get $3. And then the auction house takes their 33% commission. And you have to pay the people taking the pictures and organizing the sale. For $100 of junk you get $30 and spend 60 hours working on
>> it.
>> >I consider my time worth more than $0.50 per hour.
>> After my MIL died, we just hired an auction house to sell everything
>> off. It wasn't worth my time to even go through the closets. They
>> came in, did the auction, carted what didn't sell off, and gave us a
>> check. I'd have had them do it for nothing but it worked out. The
>> auction house was very professional and even cleaned up the house
>> after. Even after their cut (30%, IIRC), we probably got more than we
>> would have ourselves.
>>
>> You're right, even though I was off work tying up loose ends, it still
>> wasn't worth my time dumping it, much less selling it. What we got
>> was money falling from the trees, as far as I was concerned.
>
>OK. I am not arguing too strenuously against anyone just selling everything and being done with it. Easier the better. And it is possible with the auction linked above and all of the pictures, that is what happened. Children inherited everything and are not even close to home. So they just want to be done with it and settle up. No interest in tools.
>
>As for me I sort of know which relatives will get my tools. Sort of. Hopefully much later on I can start passing the tools down to them the way I want to and avoid any mass sell off. Just have the pure junk stuff left over. Which can be tossed and no harm done.
>
>As for the auction and its pictures linked above, I was coming at it from a tool lover perspective who wants to get maximum value for each tool. If they were my tools, I would go through them all and keep some of them and not sell them. I actually own many of the tools being sold in the auction. And am sort of glad I do own them. I would not want to get rid of them. And some of the other tools in the auction, I might stash under the table to take home with me. Not all of them, but some were definitely worth keeping. And even all of the junk stuff being sold, I have some junk too. And sometimes its good to have it around. There was one picture of a bunch of punches. I used a punch to unjam a coil roofing nailer last fall when roofing the house. So its good to have punches. Even though they looked like junk being sold off.

Obviously this is situational. I'd have no one to leave them to but
would like to find a good home for them. If there were a maker place
with a 501-C3 around, it would be a good place. There is a rather
significant pile of money there.

On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>>>>
>>>>I know the original post is 17 years old.
>>>> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
>>>>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
>>>>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
>>>> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
>>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
>>> - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
>>>Start your dadabase / study.
>>>
>>>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
>>>
>>>Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
>>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
>>
>>
>>It looks like a lot of junk to me.
>>
>
>
> I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
> John T.
>

Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
... with some junky sample items below - just f y i :

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

John T.

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >>>>
> >>>>I know the original post is 17 years old.
> >>>> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
> >>>>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
> >>>>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
> >>>> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
> >>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
> >>> - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
> >>>Start your dadabase / study.
> >>>
> >>>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
> >>>
> >>>Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
> >>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
> >>
> >>
> >>It looks like a lot of junk to me.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
> > John T.
> >
> Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
> .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> John T.

I don't know. It looks like the big Delta tools and the King planer brought a fair price. The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think. Veritas block plane sold for $61 USD when its new price is $162. Good? Bad? Not sure. But the big Festool 75 track saw only brought $300 USD. Its retail is $875, with a rail of course. That one went cheap I think.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 11:12:40 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>>>>>
>>>>>I know the original post is 17 years old.
>>>>> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
>>>>>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
>>>>>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
>>>>> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
>>>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
>>>> - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
>>>>Start your dadabase / study.
>>>>
>>>>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
>>>>
>>>>Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
>>>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
>>>
>>>
>>>It looks like a lot of junk to me.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
>> John T.
>>
>
>
> Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
>.. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/

I threw one of the Bosch Jobsite radios away recently. I thought it
was junk from the minute I got it home. I would have gladly sold it
for $77.50, even CAD.

Overall, I think they did pretty well.
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>
> John T.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:44:09 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> >On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I know the original post is 17 years old.
>> >>>> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
>> >>>>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
>> >>>>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
>> >>>> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
>> >>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
>> >>> - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
>> >>>Start your dadabase / study.
>> >>>
>> >>>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
>> >>>
>> >>>Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
>> >>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>It looks like a lot of junk to me.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
>> > John T.
>> >
>> Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
>> .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>
>> John T.
>
>
>I don't know. It looks like the big Delta tools and the King planer brought a fair price. The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think. Veritas block plane sold for $61 USD when its new price is $162. Good? Bad? Not sure.

>ut the big Festool 75 track saw only brought $300 USD. Its retail is $875, with a rail of course. That one went cheap I think.

$400. Add another $225 for a 75" rail and it's not such a great deal.
The track on the auction site may have been the one that came with it
(no details) but it went for another $100, so a total of $500-$625. I
don't think the deal was all that great.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:17:11 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:44:09 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
><ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> >On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>I know the original post is 17 years old.
>>> >>>> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
>>> >>>>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
>>> >>>>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
>>> >>>> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
>>> >>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
>>> >>> - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
>>> >>>Start your dadabase / study.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
>>> >>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>It looks like a lot of junk to me.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
>>> > John T.
>>> >
>>> Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
>>> .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>
>>> John T.
>>
>>
>>I don't know. It looks like the big Delta tools and the King planer brought a fair price. The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think. Veritas block plane sold for $61 USD when its new price is $162. Good? Bad? Not sure.
>
>>ut the big Festool 75 track saw only brought $300 USD. Its retail is $875, with a rail of course. That one went cheap I think.
>
>$400. Add another $225 for a 75" rail and it's not such a great deal.
>The track on the auction site may have been the one that came with it
>(no details) but it went for another $100, so a total of $500-$625. I
>don't think the deal was all that great.

He got $ 400 for the T75 and $ 100 for the track -
after fee & tax the buyer paid $ 640 -
the pair sells for $ 1350. + tax here in Canuck-Bucks.
Buyer is probably happy.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/power-tools/saws/circular-saw/68072-festool-ts-75-eq-plunge-cut-circular-saw?item=ZT575390

John T.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 22:19:03 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:17:11 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:44:09 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>><ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>> >On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>I know the original post is 17 years old.
>>>> >>>> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
>>>> >>>>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
>>>> >>>>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
>>>> >>>> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
>>>> >>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
>>>> >>> - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
>>>> >>>Start your dadabase / study.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
>>>> >>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>It looks like a lot of junk to me.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
>>>> > John T.
>>>> >
>>>> Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
>>>> .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
>>>>
>>>> John T.
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know. It looks like the big Delta tools and the King planer brought a fair price. The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think. Veritas block plane sold for $61 USD when its new price is $162. Good? Bad? Not sure.
>>
>>>ut the big Festool 75 track saw only brought $300 USD. Its retail is $875, with a rail of course. That one went cheap I think.
>>
>>$400. Add another $225 for a 75" rail and it's not such a great deal.
>>The track on the auction site may have been the one that came with it
>>(no details) but it went for another $100, so a total of $500-$625. I
>>don't think the deal was all that great.
>
>
>
>He got $ 400 for the T75 and $ 100 for the track -
> after fee & tax the buyer paid $ 640 -
> the pair sells for $ 1350. + tax here in Canuck-Bucks.
> Buyer is probably happy.

I forgot about Canuckistani dollars (=$.75US). I didn't realize how
bad that was now! Makes me reconsider all of the prices.
>
>https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/power-tools/saws/circular-saw/68072-festool-ts-75-eq-plunge-cut-circular-saw?item=ZT575390

You're still paying $200CAD more than the south side of the border,
including exchange rate. Gack! Yeah, it makes a difference.

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:24:24 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 22:19:03 -0500, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:17:11 -0500, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:44:09 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >><ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>>> >On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>I know the original post is 17 years old.
> >>>> >>>> Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
> >>>> >>>>8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
> >>>> >>>>Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
> >>>> >>>> If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
> >>>> >>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
> >>>> >>> - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
> >>>> >>>Start your dadabase / study.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
> >>>> >>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>It looks like a lot of junk to me.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
> >>>> > John T.
> >>>> >
> >>>> Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
> >>>> .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog
> >>>>
> >>>> John T.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I don't know. It looks like the big Delta tools and the King planer brought a fair price. The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think. Veritas block plane sold for $61 USD when its new price is $162. Good? Bad? Not sure.
> >>
> >>>ut the big Festool 75 track saw only brought $300 USD. Its retail is $875, with a rail of course. That one went cheap I think.
> >>
> >>$400. Add another $225 for a 75" rail and it's not such a great deal.
> >>The track on the auction site may have been the one that came with it
> >>(no details) but it went for another $100, so a total of $500-$625. I
> >>don't think the deal was all that great.
> >
> >
> >
> >He got $ 400 for the T75 and $ 100 for the track -
> > after fee & tax the buyer paid $ 640 -
> > the pair sells for $ 1350. + tax here in Canuck-Bucks.
> > Buyer is probably happy.
> I forgot about Canuckistani dollars (=$.75US). I didn't realize how
> bad that was now! Makes me reconsider all of the prices.
> >
> >https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/power-tools/saws/circular-saw/68072-festool-ts-75-eq-plunge-cut-circular-saw?item=ZT575390
>
> You're still paying $200CAD more than the south side of the border,
> including exchange rate. Gack! Yeah, it makes a difference.

I wish we could add those smiley icons in Google threads. I'd put in a whole line of them. So I'll have to make do with the text version.

;-) ;-) ;-)
My original post did say "But the big Festool 75 track saw only brought $300 USD." I did clearly state US Dollars. Which as you realized converts to Canadian dollars at $0.75 USD per Canadian Dollar. I didn't realize there was an extra 14% markup for fees and taxes and such. In this instance for the Festool 75 saw and track, I think selling it privately would have garnered much more money. As pointed out, NEW, it sells for $1350 CDN plus sales tax or VAT, whatever they have up in Canada. And the picture shows the saw looking very good. Unused. So selling a very name brand desirable Festool track saw for only about 40% of new price is bad economics.

But as I stated, the other big tools seemed to sell for a fair price. And i have now changed my mind about the Bessey clamps. I now think they sold cheap. Previously I said "The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think.". Wrong. $300 CDN for six 24" Bessey and two 12" Bessey. Average of 37.50$ CDN each. Or $28.12 USD each. Looking on Amazon, you can buy Bessey 24" clamps for $50 each. And the 12" Bessey for $56 each. US Dollars. So only paying/receiving $28 USD for clamps that cost $50-56 is not a good sale by the seller. He lost money. I don't think getting 50% retail for Bessey clamps is good. Bessey clamps are a premium item. And should hold their value very well. Its not like you can wear out a Bessey clamp by using it.

I'm still going to stick with my prior statement that to maximize selling price for the seller, its best to sell the items individually. At least the premium items and big ticket type items. Meaning the stationary tools. As for all of the little extraneous stuff, and junk stuff, a mass sale, online auction, probably makes sense just from the convenience and expedience of it.