My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x h"
piece of wood where, h is "just the right length". A rectangular box
has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"), to
cradle the corner of the card. The computer case holds one end very
securely, but the other end hangs; hence the need for a support like
this. What I described above took me about 10 minutes from design to
implementation and has been serving just fine.

But I am planning to get a new (used) graphics card soon, and thought it
appropriate to try to improve on my design! ; ) Incidentally, my
design only works provided you don't move the computer, but this is not
a significant problem for me.

Here is Amazon's solution:

https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1

Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take care of
them! What would be Your design so that the "product" is "adjustable"
(like the product above).

I'm been thinking about this for a few minutes, and I have an idea or
two, but I thought it might be fun to give us a collective design
project--sort of like they do at MIT! : )

Guidelines are "Fast, simple and cheap", with readily available
materials! Have fun! Don't overthink it! "Adjustability" with
the turn of a screw would be a desirable feature. Something you can have
confidence in (without the need to check it) would be nice too.
If you are really successful you can probably make hundreds of dollars
at Amazon! Besides for notoriety here, you'll have to "cash-in" there!
: ) I know this is not everyone's cup of tea! Obviously, if you don't
want to think about it, then don't do it!

On 9/30/2022 5:07 PM, Bill wrote:
> My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x h"
> piece of wood where, h is "just the right length".  A rectangular box
> has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"), to
> cradle the corner of the card.
> Here is Amazon's solution:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1
>
>
> Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
> cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take care of
> them!  What would be Your design so that the "product" is "adjustable"
> (like the product above). Obviously, if you don't
> want to think about it, then don't do it!

No interest at all? I still think this holds its own as an "interesting
problem". I think "threaded rod" might be very helpful, but if I cut it
with a hack-saw, it seems like I might require a tap/die (actually a
die), to get a nut on it and I lack any of those. Would a file suffice
to clean up the damage left by a hack saw (so that nuts would go on)?

On 10/3/2022 9:11 AM, Bill wrote:
> On 9/30/2022 5:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>> My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x h"
>> piece of wood where, h is "just the right length".  A rectangular box
>> has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"),
>> to cradle the corner of the card. Here is Amazon's solution:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1
>>
>>
>> Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
>> cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take care
>> of them!  What would be Your design so that the "product" is
>> "adjustable" (like the product above). Obviously, if you don't want to
>> think about it, then don't do it!
>
> No interest at all? I still think this holds its own as an "interesting
> problem". I think "threaded rod" might be very helpful, but if I cut it
> with a hack-saw, it seems like I might require a tap/die (actually a
> die), to get a nut on it and I lack any of those. Would a file suffice
> to clean up the damage left by a hack saw (so that nuts would go on)?

Ummm.. Screw a nut on the threaded rod before cutting the rod. Then
remove the nut and it will retread the rod. Cleanup any burrs with a
file or wire brush before removing the nut.

On 10/3/2022 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 10/3/2022 9:11 AM, Bill wrote:
>> On 9/30/2022 5:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x h"
>>> piece of wood where, h is "just the right length".  A rectangular box
>>> has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"),
>>> to cradle the corner of the card. Here is Amazon's solution:
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1
>>>
>>>
>>> Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
>>> cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take care
>>> of them!  What would be Your design so that the "product" is
>>> "adjustable" (like the product above). Obviously, if you don't want
>>> to think about it, then don't do it!
>>
>> No interest at all? I still think this holds its own as an
>> "interesting problem". I think "threaded rod" might be very helpful,
>> but if I cut it with a hack-saw, it seems like I might require a
>> tap/die (actually a die), to get a nut on it and I lack any of those.
>> Would a file suffice to clean up the damage left by a hack saw (so
>> that nuts would go on)?
>
>
> Ummm..   Screw a nut on the threaded rod before cutting the rod.   Then
> remove the nut and it will retread the rod.  Cleanup any burrs with a
> file or wire brush before removing the nut.

Thank you!

On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 11:06:03 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/3/2022 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 10/3/2022 9:11 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> On 9/30/2022 5:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x h"
>>>> piece of wood where, h is "just the right length".  A rectangular box
>>>> has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"),
>>>> to cradle the corner of the card. Here is Amazon's solution:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
>>>> cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take care
>>>> of them!  What would be Your design so that the "product" is
>>>> "adjustable" (like the product above). Obviously, if you don't want
>>>> to think about it, then don't do it!
>>>
>>> No interest at all? I still think this holds its own as an
>>> "interesting problem". I think "threaded rod" might be very helpful,
>>> but if I cut it with a hack-saw, it seems like I might require a
>>> tap/die (actually a die), to get a nut on it and I lack any of those.
>>> Would a file suffice to clean up the damage left by a hack saw (so
>>> that nuts would go on)?
>>
>>
>> Ummm..   Screw a nut on the threaded rod before cutting the rod.   Then
>> remove the nut and it will retread the rod.  Cleanup any burrs with a
>> file or wire brush before removing the nut.
>
>Thank you!

I thought you were looking for a woodworking solution, though I guess
you could use a wood screw (as opposed to a woodscrew).

On 10/3/2022 2:35 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 11:06:03 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/3/2022 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 10/3/2022 9:11 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> On 9/30/2022 5:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x h"
>>>>> piece of wood where, h is "just the right length".  A rectangular box
>>>>> has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"),
>>>>> to cradle the corner of the card. Here is Amazon's solution:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
>>>>> cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take care
>>>>> of them!  What would be Your design so that the "product" is
>>>>> "adjustable" (like the product above). Obviously, if you don't want
>>>>> to think about it, then don't do it!
>>>>
>>>> No interest at all? I still think this holds its own as an
>>>> "interesting problem". I think "threaded rod" might be very helpful,
>>>> but if I cut it with a hack-saw, it seems like I might require a
>>>> tap/die (actually a die), to get a nut on it and I lack any of those.
>>>> Would a file suffice to clean up the damage left by a hack saw (so
>>>> that nuts would go on)?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ummm..   Screw a nut on the threaded rod before cutting the rod.   Then
>>> remove the nut and it will retread the rod.  Cleanup any burrs with a
>>> file or wire brush before removing the nut.
>>
>> Thank you!
>
> I thought you were looking for a woodworking solution, though I guess
> you could use a wood screw (as opposed to a woodscrew).

Well, I would to use as much wood as possible (though I doubt I will
apply a laquer finish). I was thinking of a wooden base with a threaded
rod firmly secured. The threaded rod is one technique to support making
the supports "easily adjustable". What would you propose? When I first
posted the question, it didn't get a single reply!

On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 15:19:57 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/3/2022 2:35 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 11:06:03 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/3/2022 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 10/3/2022 9:11 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> On 9/30/2022 5:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>> My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x h"
>>>>>> piece of wood where, h is "just the right length".  A rectangular box
>>>>>> has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"),
>>>>>> to cradle the corner of the card. Here is Amazon's solution:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
>>>>>> cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take care
>>>>>> of them!  What would be Your design so that the "product" is
>>>>>> "adjustable" (like the product above). Obviously, if you don't want
>>>>>> to think about it, then don't do it!
>>>>>
>>>>> No interest at all? I still think this holds its own as an
>>>>> "interesting problem". I think "threaded rod" might be very helpful,
>>>>> but if I cut it with a hack-saw, it seems like I might require a
>>>>> tap/die (actually a die), to get a nut on it and I lack any of those.
>>>>> Would a file suffice to clean up the damage left by a hack saw (so
>>>>> that nuts would go on)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ummm..   Screw a nut on the threaded rod before cutting the rod.   Then
>>>> remove the nut and it will retread the rod.  Cleanup any burrs with a
>>>> file or wire brush before removing the nut.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>
>> I thought you were looking for a woodworking solution, though I guess
>> you could use a wood screw (as opposed to a woodscrew).
>
>Well, I would to use as much wood as possible (though I doubt I will
>apply a laquer finish). I was thinking of a wooden base with a threaded
>rod firmly secured. The threaded rod is one technique to support making
>the supports "easily adjustable". What would you propose? When I first
>posted the question, it didn't get a single reply!

I didn't reply because I couldn't think of a way to do it with wood,
at least one that would be even close to the one you showed. Even
that seemed like a strange solution for a problem that shouldn't need
solving.

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 5:07:20 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x h"
> piece of wood where, h is "just the right length". A rectangular box
> has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"), to
> cradle the corner of the card. The computer case holds one end very
> securely, but the other end hangs; hence the need for a support like
> this. What I described above took me about 10 minutes from design to
> implementation and has been serving just fine.
>
> But I am planning to get a new (used) graphics card soon, and thought it
> appropriate to try to improve on my design! ; ) Incidentally, my
> design only works provided you don't move the computer, but this is not
> a significant problem for me.
>
> Here is Amazon's solution:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1
>
> Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
> cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take care of
> them! What would be Your design so that the "product" is "adjustable"
> (like the product above).
>
> I'm been thinking about this for a few minutes, and I have an idea or
> two, but I thought it might be fun to give us a collective design
> project--sort of like they do at MIT! : )
>
> Guidelines are "Fast, simple and cheap", with readily available
> materials! Have fun! Don't overthink it! "Adjustability" with
> the turn of a screw would be a desirable feature. Something you can have
> confidence in (without the need to check it) would be nice too.
> If you are really successful you can probably make hundreds of dollars
> at Amazon! Besides for notoriety here, you'll have to "cash-in" there!
> : ) I know this is not everyone's cup of tea! Obviously, if you don't
> want to think about it, then don't do it!

This is just a concept, not a final product...modify the steps as required.

1 - Get a hardwood dowel of whatever diameter you want, like maybe 1.5".
2 - Glue the dowel into a base that has magnets embedded in the bottom
like the Amazon ones so it stands up inside the case and stays where you
put it.
3 - Drill a 1.5" hole in a piece of 3/4 hardwood stock and slip it over the dowel.
Place the hole off center lengthwise so that you leave enough of a shelf to
support the graphics card and "just enough" wood on the opposite side of
the dowel for the next step.
4 - Tap the portion of the 3/4" stock that is opposite the shelf to accept a bolt.

With a nice snug hole for the dowel, you should be able to position the shelf right
where you need it and then tighten the bolt against the dowel to prevent it from
sliding. The bolt really won't be doing much so it shouldn't need to be so tight that
it causes any damage to the dowel or the threads.

If you want to get "all woody with it" look up some YouTube's on making wooden
bolts. Then make a wooden bolt to match whatever tap you choose.

On 10/3/2022 8:36 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 15:19:57 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/3/2022 2:35 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 11:06:03 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/3/2022 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 10/3/2022 9:11 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/30/2022 5:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>> My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x h"
>>>>>>> piece of wood where, h is "just the right length".  A rectangular box
>>>>>>> has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"),
>>>>>>> to cradle the corner of the card. Here is Amazon's solution:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
>>>>>>> cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take care
>>>>>>> of them!  What would be Your design so that the "product" is
>>>>>>> "adjustable" (like the product above). Obviously, if you don't want
>>>>>>> to think about it, then don't do it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No interest at all? I still think this holds its own as an
>>>>>> "interesting problem". I think "threaded rod" might be very helpful,
>>>>>> but if I cut it with a hack-saw, it seems like I might require a
>>>>>> tap/die (actually a die), to get a nut on it and I lack any of those.
>>>>>> Would a file suffice to clean up the damage left by a hack saw (so
>>>>>> that nuts would go on)?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ummm..   Screw a nut on the threaded rod before cutting the rod.   Then
>>>>> remove the nut and it will retread the rod.  Cleanup any burrs with a
>>>>> file or wire brush before removing the nut.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> I thought you were looking for a woodworking solution, though I guess
>>> you could use a wood screw (as opposed to a woodscrew).
>>
>> Well, I would to use as much wood as possible (though I doubt I will
>> apply a laquer finish). I was thinking of a wooden base with a threaded
>> rod firmly secured. The threaded rod is one technique to support making
>> the supports "easily adjustable". What would you propose? When I first
>> posted the question, it didn't get a single reply!
>
> I didn't reply because I couldn't think of a way to do it with wood,
> at least one that would be even close to the one you showed. Even
> that seemed like a strange solution for a problem that shouldn't need
> solving.

Well, every computer case/motherboard/gpu combination is different.As
you may know, some gpus are well over 10 inches long. If you have a long
heavy gpu that occupies more than 2 PCI slots, it needs some support.
Compatibility is addressed by the standards, but not physical
configuration issues like this one. Intel and AMD aren't even including
CPU coolers with their CPUs any longer, as needs vary so much from user
to user.
If you don't want to deal with "problems" like this, then you buy a
pre-built system from an OEM like HP or Dell (who may even leave the GPU
hanging like a cantilever, I'm not sure), or even Apple.

Here is a question: If the problem "shouldn't need solving", then whose
job should it be to provide a solution. Case manufacturers? GPU
manufacturers? motherboard manufacturers? Or the system builders. Yep.

On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 23:10:35 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/3/2022 8:36 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 15:19:57 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/3/2022 2:35 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 11:06:03 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/2022 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/3/2022 9:11 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/30/2022 5:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>> My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x h"
>>>>>>>> piece of wood where, h is "just the right length".  A rectangular box
>>>>>>>> has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"),
>>>>>>>> to cradle the corner of the card. Here is Amazon's solution:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
>>>>>>>> cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take care
>>>>>>>> of them!  What would be Your design so that the "product" is
>>>>>>>> "adjustable" (like the product above). Obviously, if you don't want
>>>>>>>> to think about it, then don't do it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No interest at all? I still think this holds its own as an
>>>>>>> "interesting problem". I think "threaded rod" might be very helpful,
>>>>>>> but if I cut it with a hack-saw, it seems like I might require a
>>>>>>> tap/die (actually a die), to get a nut on it and I lack any of those.
>>>>>>> Would a file suffice to clean up the damage left by a hack saw (so
>>>>>>> that nuts would go on)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ummm..   Screw a nut on the threaded rod before cutting the rod.   Then
>>>>>> remove the nut and it will retread the rod.  Cleanup any burrs with a
>>>>>> file or wire brush before removing the nut.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> I thought you were looking for a woodworking solution, though I guess
>>>> you could use a wood screw (as opposed to a woodscrew).
>>>
>>> Well, I would to use as much wood as possible (though I doubt I will
>>> apply a laquer finish). I was thinking of a wooden base with a threaded
>>> rod firmly secured. The threaded rod is one technique to support making
>>> the supports "easily adjustable". What would you propose? When I first
>>> posted the question, it didn't get a single reply!
>>
>> I didn't reply because I couldn't think of a way to do it with wood,
>> at least one that would be even close to the one you showed. Even
>> that seemed like a strange solution for a problem that shouldn't need
>> solving.
>
>Well, every computer case/motherboard/gpu combination is different.As
>you may know, some gpus are well over 10 inches long. If you have a long
>heavy gpu that occupies more than 2 PCI slots, it needs some support.
>Compatibility is addressed by the standards, but not physical
>configuration issues like this one. Intel and AMD aren't even including
>CPU coolers with their CPUs any longer, as needs vary so much from user
>to user.
>If you don't want to deal with "problems" like this, then you buy a
>pre-built system from an OEM like HP or Dell (who may even leave the GPU
>hanging like a cantilever, I'm not sure), or even Apple.
>
>Here is a question: If the problem "shouldn't need solving", then whose
>job should it be to provide a solution. Case manufacturers? GPU
>manufacturers? motherboard manufacturers? Or the system builders. Yep.

The case manufacturers. It's easier for them since they already have
the physical structure. Since gamers are the only ones who assemble
computers anymore it would seem to be an integral component of the
case.

I haven't built one in 20 years. I've used nothing but laptops since
their (non-gamer) performance increased more than I really need. I
think Adventure was the only game I really got into. Soon after that
they became too complicated to play casually.

On 10/4/2022 2:52 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

Snip

>
> I haven't built one in 20 years. I've used nothing but laptops since
> their (non-gamer) performance increased more than I really need. I
> think Adventure was the only game I really got into. Soon after that
> they became too complicated to play casually.

I like Bubble Shooter.

On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 15:52:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

>The case manufacturers. It's easier for them since they already have
>the physical structure. Since gamers are the only ones who assemble
>computers anymore it would seem to be an integral component of the
>case.

I build my own have since my third system I bought at a store in '94.
On the sixth now, motherboards come with video on board, so all you
need is a case, power supply, memory and drives. Do not like laptops
as batteries suck, tablets nope. Preload crap on store bought systems
are why I avoid them.

On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 16:12:00 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 15:52:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>>The case manufacturers. It's easier for them since they already have
>>the physical structure. Since gamers are the only ones who assemble
>>computers anymore it would seem to be an integral component of the
>>case.
>
> I build my own have since my third system I bought at a store in '94.
>On the sixth now, motherboards come with video on board, so all you
>need is a case, power supply, memory and drives. Do not like laptops
>as batteries suck, tablets nope. Preload crap on store bought systems
>are why I avoid them.

I can't count the number of systems I've built. I think my first was
in '93 and built a couple more before I changed jobs. I spent a few
years evaluating computer hardware so I had access to hundreds of
different components (motherboards, graphics cards, disk drives...).

Since Li-Ion replaced NiCd, I haven't had a problem with batteries
(same with tools). I use a tablet for the gym and I have another that
I use at home, pretty much for YouTube. I bought it for the gym but
it's an 11" (the other is a 7" and a lot more rugged) so I have to
figure out a way of keeping it from falling off the treadmill.

My current laptop has a 4K display and can support three displays, two
at 4K, though one is pretty slow. It's nice for CAD (Sketchup).

On 10/4/2022 4:12 PM, Markem618 wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 15:52:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>> The case manufacturers. It's easier for them since they already have
>> the physical structure. Since gamers are the only ones who assemble
>> computers anymore it would seem to be an integral component of the
>> case.
>
> I build my own have since my third system I bought at a store in '94.
> On the sixth now, motherboards come with video on board, so all you
> need is a case, power supply, memory and drives. Do not like laptops
> as batteries suck, tablets nope. Preload crap on store bought systems
> are why I avoid them.

I wish I was only on my 6th computer. LOL. Bought my first in 1986.

The video card on board does not suite my needs. I have my computers
built locally and the Radeon video card, for Sketchup, is pretty large
physically, with it's own fans.

From what I understand Dell no longer loads their computers with
anything but what you order.

On 10/4/2022 7:48 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 16:12:00 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 04 Oct 2022 15:52:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>
>>> The case manufacturers. It's easier for them since they already have
>>> the physical structure. Since gamers are the only ones who assemble
>>> computers anymore it would seem to be an integral component of the
>>> case.
>>
>> I build my own have since my third system I bought at a store in '94.
>> On the sixth now, motherboards come with video on board, so all you
>> need is a case, power supply, memory and drives. Do not like laptops
>> as batteries suck, tablets nope. Preload crap on store bought systems
>> are why I avoid them.
>
> I can't count the number of systems I've built. I think my first was
> in '93 and built a couple more before I changed jobs. I spent a few
> years evaluating computer hardware so I had access to hundreds of
> different components (motherboards, graphics cards, disk drives...).
>
> Since Li-Ion replaced NiCd, I haven't had a problem with batteries
> (same with tools). I use a tablet for the gym and I have another that
> I use at home, pretty much for YouTube. I bought it for the gym but
> it's an 11" (the other is a 7" and a lot more rugged) so I have to
> figure out a way of keeping it from falling off the treadmill.
>
> My current laptop has a 4K display and can support three displays, two
> at 4K, though one is pretty slow. It's nice for CAD (Sketchup).
>

4K displays and the video cards to support them are cool. CAD/Sketchup
drawing's diagonal/angled lines are straight and not jagged zig zag any
more.

On 10/3/2022 11:06 AM, Bill wrote:
> On 10/3/2022 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 10/3/2022 9:11 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> On 9/30/2022 5:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x
>>>> h" piece of wood where, h is "just the right length".  A rectangular
>>>> box
>>>> has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"),
>>>> to cradle the corner of the card. Here is Amazon's solution:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
>>>> cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take
>>>> care of them!  What would be Your design so that the "product" is
>>>> "adjustable" (like the product above). Obviously, if you don't want
>>>> to think about it, then don't do it!
>>>
>>> No interest at all? I still think this holds its own as an
>>> "interesting problem". I think "threaded rod" might be very helpful,
>>> but if I cut it with a hack-saw, it seems like I might require a
>>> tap/die (actually a die), to get a nut on it and I lack any of those.
>>> Would a file suffice to clean up the damage left by a hack saw (so
>>> that nuts would go on)?
>>
>>
>> Ummm..   Screw a nut on the threaded rod before cutting the rod.
>> Then remove the nut and it will retread the rod.  Cleanup any burrs
>> with a file or wire brush before removing the nut.
>
> Thank you!

Just for fun, I made a SketchUp model (I think everyone should use that
software at least once a year whether they like it or not! : ) )
I looked inside my computer case, and realized there probably won't be
room in my case for a support on the end of the card, so I will likely
support it from underneath, between the middle and the end of the card,
but not *from* the end.

I posted two jpg's to alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking for your
possible entertainment.
Washers, nuts and other hardware is not illustrated, and it's not
exactly to scale.

I still need to see if can find a "threaded sleeve" to fit in the top
support, fitting the 3/8" threaded rod. That will be where the vertical
adjustment lies. Please let me know if this "threaded sleeve" is easily
available? I thought of gluing 3 or 4 nuts together, but that doesn't
seem right.

At least I tried to make this fun (for you!) : )

P.S. I took another look, and I didn't see anything on the market long
enough for a case as tall as mine. Most of the GPU "Props" don't go to 8
or 9 inches. So it is nice to be able to scrounge something together
myself. My next GPU Auction is Saturday! I can't afford or justify the
current market prices of buying "new"--or at least, I like what I can
get "used" better than what I can get buying new, for almost exactly the
same price. Cheers! -Bill

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 17:03:04 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/3/2022 11:06 AM, Bill wrote:
>> On 10/3/2022 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 10/3/2022 9:11 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> On 9/30/2022 5:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> My current solution for a "graphics card prop", is a 3/4" x 1.5" x
>>>>> h" piece of wood where, h is "just the right length".  A rectangular
>>>>> box
>>>>> has been cut from the top, leaving a supporting shape (like an "L"),
>>>>> to cradle the corner of the card. Here is Amazon's solution:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B08T98DSG3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WQ344BSQKVK1&keywords=EZDIY-FAB-Graphics-GPU-Anodized-Aluminum&qid=1664570048&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjE4IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ezdiy-fab-graphics-gpu-anodized-aluminum%2Celectronics%2C103&sr=1-3&th=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably few here would pay $20 for the product above. But graphics
>>>>> cards have become so expensive that you can't afford to not take
>>>>> care of them!  What would be Your design so that the "product" is
>>>>> "adjustable" (like the product above). Obviously, if you don't want
>>>>> to think about it, then don't do it!
>>>>
>>>> No interest at all? I still think this holds its own as an
>>>> "interesting problem". I think "threaded rod" might be very helpful,
>>>> but if I cut it with a hack-saw, it seems like I might require a
>>>> tap/die (actually a die), to get a nut on it and I lack any of those.
>>>> Would a file suffice to clean up the damage left by a hack saw (so
>>>> that nuts would go on)?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ummm..   Screw a nut on the threaded rod before cutting the rod.
>>> Then remove the nut and it will retread the rod.  Cleanup any burrs
>>> with a file or wire brush before removing the nut.
>>
>> Thank you!
>
>
>Just for fun, I made a SketchUp model (I think everyone should use that
>software at least once a year whether they like it or not! : ) )
>I looked inside my computer case, and realized there probably won't be
>room in my case for a support on the end of the card, so I will likely
>support it from underneath, between the middle and the end of the card,
>but not *from* the end.
>
>I posted two jpg's to alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking for your
>possible entertainment.
>Washers, nuts and other hardware is not illustrated, and it's not
>exactly to scale.

I understand it but how do you keep it in place? I have the same
question about the retail version.
>
>I still need to see if can find a "threaded sleeve" to fit in the top
>support, fitting the 3/8" threaded rod. That will be where the vertical
>adjustment lies. Please let me know if this "threaded sleeve" is easily
>available? I thought of gluing 3 or 4 nuts together, but that doesn't
>seem right.

How about threaded inserts? Put as many in the hole as floats your
boat.

>At least I tried to make this fun (for you!) : )
>
>P.S. I took another look, and I didn't see anything on the market long
>enough for a case as tall as mine. Most of the GPU "Props" don't go to 8
>or 9 inches. So it is nice to be able to scrounge something together
>myself. My next GPU Auction is Saturday! I can't afford or justify the
>current market prices of buying "new"--or at least, I like what I can
>get "used" better than what I can get buying new, for almost exactly the
>same price. Cheers! -Bill
>
>

On 10/5/2022 7:57 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

> I understand it but how do you keep it in place? I have the same
> question about the retail version.

Some of them have magnets on the bottom and some of them have adhesive
pads. I am going to see if Menards has some sort of "easy to apply"
magnetic pads. If I raise to to high enough, so that it's snug, I feel
pretty confident that it won't be going anywhere. Gravity will do it's
job. The other end of the card is firmly attached to the case--we're
just supporting the "cantilever".

The primitive wooden support I am currently using worked fine until
after I "disturbed" the case (it sits along a "path" and I inadvertently
bumped into it). The monitor started not waking from sleep with the
rest of the computer. It was a month before I (mentally) made the
possible association, and took off the cover to take a look. But after
I re-positioned the wooden support, that problem mysteriously
disappeared. So the moral of that experience is that support for a long
graphics card matters. Maybe not always, but sometimes (for sure)!

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 23:06:00 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/5/2022 7:57 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>> I understand it but how do you keep it in place? I have the same
>> question about the retail version.
>
>Some of them have magnets on the bottom and some of them have adhesive
>pads. I am going to see if Menards has some sort of "easy to apply"
>magnetic pads. If I raise to to high enough, so that it's snug, I feel
>pretty confident that it won't be going anywhere. Gravity will do it's
>job. The other end of the card is firmly attached to the case--we're
>just supporting the "cantilever".

The magnetic pads I've seen aren't all that great. A rare-earth
magnet recessed into the support would work better. Even better yet:
<https://www.harborfreight.com/multi-position-magnetic-base-with-fine-adjustment-63663.html>
I don't think you'll ever find a mag-switch cheaper than this. IIRC,
they're threaded for 1/4-20 so great for photographic accessories.
They aren't wimps, either.
>
>The primitive wooden support I am currently using worked fine until
>after I "disturbed" the case (it sits along a "path" and I inadvertently
>bumped into it). The monitor started not waking from sleep with the
>rest of the computer. It was a month before I (mentally) made the
>possible association, and took off the cover to take a look. But after
>I re-positioned the wooden support, that problem mysteriously
>disappeared. So the moral of that experience is that support for a long
>graphics card matters. Maybe not always, but sometimes (for sure)!

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 23:06:00 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/5/2022 7:57 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>> I understand it but how do you keep it in place? I have the same
>> question about the retail version.
>
>Some of them have magnets on the bottom and some of them have adhesive
>pads. I am going to see if Menards has some sort of "easy to apply"
>magnetic pads. If I raise to to high enough, so that it's snug, I feel
>pretty confident that it won't be going anywhere. Gravity will do it's
>job. The other end of the card is firmly attached to the case--we're
>just supporting the "cantilever".
>
>The primitive wooden support I am currently using worked fine until
>after I "disturbed" the case (it sits along a "path" and I inadvertently
>bumped into it). The monitor started not waking from sleep with the
>rest of the computer. It was a month before I (mentally) made the
>possible association, and took off the cover to take a look. But after
>I re-positioned the wooden support, that problem mysteriously
>disappeared. So the moral of that experience is that support for a long
>graphics card matters. Maybe not always, but sometimes (for sure)!

Might 19 to many in the pack, but a bit of super glue on one of these.

https://totalelement.com/products/1-2-x-1-8-inch-strong-neodymium-rare-earth-disc-magnets-n52-24-pack?

On 10/5/2022 11:53 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

> The magnetic pads I've seen aren't all that great. A rare-earth
> magnet recessed into the support would work better. Even better yet:
> <https://www.harborfreight.com/multi-position-magnetic-base-with-fine-adjustment-63663.html>
> I don't think you'll ever find a mag-switch cheaper than this. IIRC,
> they're threaded for 1/4-20 so great for photographic accessories.
> They aren't wimps, either.

Certainly that would work. But I don't think that much "complexity" is
called for in this application, a thin rubber pad would probably
suffice. Size is an issue too, as my front case fan has to blow air
passed it. it will sit right in front of a 140mm case fan, and the only
source of air coming into my computer case (there is a fan in the back
and two on top, a CPU-AIO cooler, forcing air out). I agree that the
price is very good, I paid twice as much for a similar one from Grizzly.

On 10/6/2022 12:45 AM, Markem618 wrote:

> Might 19 to many in the pack, but a bit of super glue on one of these.
>
> https://totalelement.com/products/1-2-x-1-8-inch-strong-neodymium-rare-earth-disc-magnets-n52-24-pack?

Thank you for your suggestion! I happen to have a few similar magnets.
Keep in mind that the GPU has strong (vibrating) fans, that go on and
off repeatedly. While I wish it would, I'm not sure I trust a super glue
joint to hold up to that for as many years as I typically use my system
for. I'm on year 8 for my current system, and intend to also re-use the
graphics card I am searching for now (Nvidia 3000 series) in my next
system. One can get a used RTX 3070 for the *same* price as a new
(entry level) RTX 3050, and the RTX 3050, being relatively new, is not
really available used. Nvidia has decided they
want to sell their cards for quite a bit more money than they used to,
and I really don't wish to encourage them by buying a new card. I'm not
a "gamer", but I do have one AI-related program whose performance
depends on OpenCL performance (it is AI related, "does a lot of math",
and prefers to do it on a GPU over the CPU).
Doing a web search with "OpenCl Benchmarks" yields a website with a
benchmark score for every GPU you can think of, which I have found handy.

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 02:25:02 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/6/2022 12:45 AM, Markem618 wrote:
>
>> Might 19 to many in the pack, but a bit of super glue on one of these.
>>
>> https://totalelement.com/products/1-2-x-1-8-inch-strong-neodymium-rare-earth-disc-magnets-n52-24-pack?
>
>Thank you for your suggestion! I happen to have a few similar magnets.
>Keep in mind that the GPU has strong (vibrating) fans, that go on and
>off repeatedly. While I wish it would, I'm not sure I trust a super glue
>joint to hold up to that for as many years as I typically use my system
>for. I'm on year 8 for my current system, and intend to also re-use the
>graphics card I am searching for now (Nvidia 3000 series) in my next
>system. One can get a used RTX 3070 for the *same* price as a new
>(entry level) RTX 3050, and the RTX 3050, being relatively new, is not
>really available used. Nvidia has decided they
>want to sell their cards for quite a bit more money than they used to,
>and I really don't wish to encourage them by buying a new card. I'm not
>a "gamer", but I do have one AI-related program whose performance
>depends on OpenCL performance (it is AI related, "does a lot of math",
>and prefers to do it on a GPU over the CPU).
>Doing a web search with "OpenCl Benchmarks" yields a website with a
>benchmark score for every GPU you can think of, which I have found handy.

Heat will degrade super glue over time, but at the bottom of your
support sticking to the case not so much, right.

On 10/6/2022 12:14 PM, Markem618 wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 02:25:02 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/6/2022 12:45 AM, Markem618 wrote:
>>
>>> Might 19 to many in the pack, but a bit of super glue on one of these.
>>>
>>> https://totalelement.com/products/1-2-x-1-8-inch-strong-neodymium-rare-earth-disc-magnets-n52-24-pack?
>>
>> Thank you for your suggestion! I happen to have a few similar magnets.
>> Keep in mind that the GPU has strong (vibrating) fans, that go on and
>> off repeatedly. While I wish it would, I'm not sure I trust a super glue
>> joint to hold up to that for as many years as I typically use my system
>> for. I'm on year 8 for my current system, and intend to also re-use the
>> graphics card I am searching for now (Nvidia 3000 series) in my next
>> system. One can get a used RTX 3070 for the *same* price as a new
>> (entry level) RTX 3050, and the RTX 3050, being relatively new, is not
>> really available used. Nvidia has decided they
>> want to sell their cards for quite a bit more money than they used to,
>> and I really don't wish to encourage them by buying a new card. I'm not
>> a "gamer", but I do have one AI-related program whose performance
>> depends on OpenCL performance (it is AI related, "does a lot of math",
>> and prefers to do it on a GPU over the CPU).
>> Doing a web search with "OpenCl Benchmarks" yields a website with a
>> benchmark score for every GPU you can think of, which I have found handy.
>
> Heat will degrade super glue over time, but at the bottom of your
> support sticking to the case not so much, right.

I didn't have so much concern about heat, but about the vibrations
coming from other end of the support. Although it says online that
super glue works on wood, I have concerns about the durability of the
connection (to unfinished wood). I really don't know. As my magnets
(which came out of old disk drives) are not round, it would be a fair
amount of work to inset them, and use epoxy adhesive, which I thought of
doing. If I locate a thin sheet of rubber (something like an old inner
tube from a bicycle) I may test that to see if it "sticks" to the bottom
of the case (which has a nice shiny finish). Where is that old inner
tube when you need it! ; ) My next graphics card auction isn't for a
couple days, so I still have time! One seller had 4 cards on E-bay the
other day, all closing within 6 minutes. And my computer went blue
screen after placing a bid at the end of one of the 2nd auction, so I
missed the rest. E-bay was very interested in learning all of the
details, but they did nothing to recompense me for my inconvenience
(even after I hinted!--I said, "Maybe you could offer me a coupon or
something for my inconvenience?". But those details fell on deaf ears!).

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 01:44:31 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/5/2022 11:53 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>> The magnetic pads I've seen aren't all that great. A rare-earth
>> magnet recessed into the support would work better. Even better yet:
>> <https://www.harborfreight.com/multi-position-magnetic-base-with-fine-adjustment-63663.html>
>> I don't think you'll ever find a mag-switch cheaper than this. IIRC,
>> they're threaded for 1/4-20 so great for photographic accessories.
>> They aren't wimps, either.
>
>Certainly that would work. But I don't think that much "complexity" is
>called for in this application, a thin rubber pad would probably
>suffice. Size is an issue too, as my front case fan has to blow air
>passed it. it will sit right in front of a 140mm case fan, and the only
>source of air coming into my computer case (there is a fan in the back
>and two on top, a CPU-AIO cooler, forcing air out). I agree that the
>price is very good, I paid twice as much for a similar one from Grizzly.

What I meant was to use the base as a starting point. I believe the
thread on the top is 1/4-20 so it would be easy to mount some sort of
support tower on that. I didn't mean to use the rest of the tool.