On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 8:37:30 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 8:25:10 AM UTC-7, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 4:02:23 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 10:03:48 AM UTC-7, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:38:14 AM UTC-7, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:36:20 AM UTC-7, Rusty Wyse wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:28:25 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:25:18 AM UTC-7, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:17:47 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:36:29 PM UTC-7, rst88....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 9:38:49 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 9:28:32 AM UTC-7, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 9:17:17 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 12:02:57 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 5:46:40 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:23:00 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 6:22:49 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A majority of people who voted for former President Donald Trump are in favor of breaking up the country, a new poll from the University of Virginia Center for Politics has found.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UVA surveyed 2,012 voters — half of whom voted for Trump, the other half for President Joe Biden – in late July in order to better understand the growing split between the Democratic and Republican Parties.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The results show a country at ideological war with itself: More than half of the surveyed Trump voters — approximately 52% — said the "situation is such that I would favor [Blue/Red] states seceding from the union to form their own separate country.." Approximately 41% of Biden-voting respondents answered similarly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Republicans have floated proposals to secede from the union, including former Texas GOP chair Allen West. After the Supreme Court rejected a lawsuit spearheaded by the Texas attorney general aimed at overturning the 2020 presidential election results, West said that "perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The survey shows Republicans and Democrats heavily distrust one another, with 80% or more of respondents from each party saying the opposing side presents "a clear and present danger to American democracy." In addition, 80% or more of survey respondents said they're worried they or someone close to them will experience "personal loss or suffering due to the effects" of the opposing party's policies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The divide between Trump and Biden voters is deep, wide, and dangerous," Larry Sabato, the director of UVA's Center for Politics, wrote. "The scope is unprecedented, and it will not be easily fixed.""
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.businessinsider.com/majority-of-trump-voters-believe-its-time-to-secede-survey-finds-2021-10?op=1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sentiment toward secession is probably higher in some regions of the US.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A 66 percent majority of Republicans in 13 Southern states including Texas and Florida are in favor of seceding from the union, according to a poll released Wednesday by Bright Line Watch. Half of all independents in the South agreed, while only 20 percent of Southern Democrats were on board.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Support for forming a breakaway country reached 47 percent among Democrats in California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska and Hawaii. One-third of West Coast independents, or 33 percent, were in favor of succession, along with 27 percent of West Coast Republicans."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.newsweek.com/47-west-coast-dems-66-southern-republicans-want-secede-us-1609875
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Taiwan, Views of Mainland China Mostly Negative
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Closer Taiwan-U.S. relations largely welcomed, especially economically
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/05/12/in-taiwan-views-of-mainland-china-mostly-negative/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For a long times, people in Taiwan also had a very negative view toward the ROC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But now mostly are satisfy with ROC. They were also very negative toward the US
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after they had been betrayed by the US during the 1970s.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taiwan doesn't want "1C2S".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Taiwan will get "1C2S" as soon as Tsia Ing Wen step down as president.
> > > > > > > > > > > > That would be bad.
> > > > > > > > > > > As bad as waving the American flag and singing the American National Anthem in Hong Kong????
> > > > > > > > > > ???
> > > > > > > > > Yes, I know!!! Brainless bmoore as always...
> > > > > > > > > Can't understand what is going on...
> > > > > > > > It's just you. Inconsistent, unaware, impossible to converse with. Buffoon.
> > > > > > > Hummmm!!! I wonder who that person is....
> > > > > > > As always...
> > > > > > > bmoore... or maybe it is b-less... not more... or is it moore....
> > > > > > Never mind me...
> > > > > > I'm just having a wonderful time...
> > > > > > making non-sense...
> > > > > Just like you always do, Yale.
> > > > Yes, having a wonderful, wonderful time...
> > > > as always!!!! You should do the same, b-less!!! and don't be a fool!!!
> > > So you *admit* that you're a worthless poster with little of value to say, pretty much just screwing around?
> > bMore of bless (brain-less) worthless jibbering non-sense...
> You can't even write proper English (or proper Chinese) but you call other people names?

Yeh!!! bless (brain-less)...
Go back to Taiwan and continue to do what you have been doing for the last 15-20 years...

On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 8:43:59 AM UTC-7, Rusty Wyse wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 8:37:30 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 8:25:10 AM UTC-7, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 4:02:23 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 10:03:48 AM UTC-7, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:38:14 AM UTC-7, rst88...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:36:20 AM UTC-7, Rusty Wyse wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:28:25 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:25:18 AM UTC-7, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:17:47 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 5:36:29 PM UTC-7, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 9:38:49 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 9:28:32 AM UTC-7, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 9:17:17 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 12:02:57 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 5:46:40 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:23:00 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 6:22:49 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A majority of people who voted for former President Donald Trump are in favor of breaking up the country, a new poll from the University of Virginia Center for Politics has found.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UVA surveyed 2,012 voters — half of whom voted for Trump, the other half for President Joe Biden – in late July in order to better understand the growing split between the Democratic and Republican Parties.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The results show a country at ideological war with itself: More than half of the surveyed Trump voters — approximately 52% — said the "situation is such that I would favor [Blue/Red] states seceding from the union to form their own separate country." Approximately 41% of Biden-voting respondents answered similarly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Republicans have floated proposals to secede from the union, including former Texas GOP chair Allen West. After the Supreme Court rejected a lawsuit spearheaded by the Texas attorney general aimed at overturning the 2020 presidential election results, West said that "perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The survey shows Republicans and Democrats heavily distrust one another, with 80% or more of respondents from each party saying the opposing side presents "a clear and present danger to American democracy." In addition, 80% or more of survey respondents said they're worried they or someone close to them will experience "personal loss or suffering due to the effects" of the opposing party's policies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The divide between Trump and Biden voters is deep, wide, and dangerous," Larry Sabato, the director of UVA's Center for Politics, wrote. "The scope is unprecedented, and it will not be easily fixed.""
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.businessinsider.com/majority-of-trump-voters-believe-its-time-to-secede-survey-finds-2021-10?op=1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sentiment toward secession is probably higher in some regions of the US.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A 66 percent majority of Republicans in 13 Southern states including Texas and Florida are in favor of seceding from the union, according to a poll released Wednesday by Bright Line Watch. Half of all independents in the South agreed, while only 20 percent of Southern Democrats were on board.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Support for forming a breakaway country reached 47 percent among Democrats in California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska and Hawaii. One-third of West Coast independents, or 33 percent, were in favor of succession, along with 27 percent of West Coast Republicans."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.newsweek.com/47-west-coast-dems-66-southern-republicans-want-secede-us-1609875
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Taiwan, Views of Mainland China Mostly Negative
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Closer Taiwan-U.S. relations largely welcomed, especially economically
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/05/12/in-taiwan-views-of-mainland-china-mostly-negative/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For a long times, people in Taiwan also had a very negative view toward the ROC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But now mostly are satisfy with ROC. They were also very negative toward the US
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after they had been betrayed by the US during the 1970s.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taiwan doesn't want "1C2S".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taiwan will get "1C2S" as soon as Tsia Ing Wen step down as president.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That would be bad.
> > > > > > > > > > > > As bad as waving the American flag and singing the American National Anthem in Hong Kong????
> > > > > > > > > > > ???
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, I know!!! Brainless bmoore as always...
> > > > > > > > > > Can't understand what is going on...
> > > > > > > > > It's just you. Inconsistent, unaware, impossible to converse with. Buffoon.
> > > > > > > > Hummmm!!! I wonder who that person is....
> > > > > > > > As always...
> > > > > > > > bmoore... or maybe it is b-less... not more... or is it moore...
> > > > > > > Never mind me...
> > > > > > > I'm just having a wonderful time...
> > > > > > > making non-sense...
> > > > > > Just like you always do, Yale.
> > > > > Yes, having a wonderful, wonderful time...
> > > > > as always!!!! You should do the same, b-less!!! and don't be a fool!!!
> > > > So you *admit* that you're a worthless poster with little of value to say, pretty much just screwing around?
> > > bMore of bless (brain-less) worthless jibbering non-sense...
> > You can't even write proper English (or proper Chinese) but you call other people names?
> Yeh!!! bless (brain-less)...
> Go back to Taiwan and continue to do what you have been doing for the last 15-20 years...

And watch out for all the Dong-Fung hypersonic weapons flying overhead...

On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 5:51:24 PM UTC-5, stoney wrote:
> The two party is like two siblings seeking to split the country into half
> and go their way..

If that ever happens, would and should China recognize and support the weaker
side as an independent country right away?
Could the US government really preclude any secession movement, if not, how
could the US expect China to cooperate with the stronger side given its current
position regarding Taiwan?
>
> "ltlee1" wrote in message
> news:4f302980-1cb6-4f54...@googlegroups.com...
> "A majority of people who voted for former President Donald Trump are in
> favor of breaking up the country, a new poll from the University of Virginia
> Center for Politics has found.
>
> UVA surveyed 2,012 voters — half of whom voted for Trump, the other half for
> President Joe Biden – in late July in order to better understand the growing
> split between the Democratic and Republican Parties.
>
> The results show a country at ideological war with itself: More than half of
> the surveyed Trump voters — approximately 52% — said the "situation is such
> that I would favor [Blue/Red] states seceding from the union to form their
> own separate country." Approximately 41% of Biden-voting respondents
> answered similarly.
>
> Some Republicans have floated proposals to secede from the union, including
> former Texas GOP chair Allen West. After the Supreme Court rejected a
> lawsuit spearheaded by the Texas attorney general aimed at overturning the
> 2020 presidential election results, West said that "perhaps law-abiding
> states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by
> the constitution."
>
> The survey shows Republicans and Democrats heavily distrust one another,
> with 80% or more of respondents from each party saying the opposing side
> presents "a clear and present danger to American democracy." In addition,
> 80% or more of survey respondents said they're worried they or someone close
> to them will experience "personal loss or suffering due to the effects" of
> the opposing party's policies.
> ...
> "The divide between Trump and Biden voters is deep, wide, and dangerous,"
> Larry Sabato, the director of UVA's Center for Politics, wrote. "The scope
> is unprecedented, and it will not be easily fixed.""
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/majority-of-trump-voters-believe-its-time-to-secede-survey-finds-2021-10?op=1

China will not interfere in the other people's politics and internal affairs
or businesses. Hence, as usual, China will not likely take sides.

But the world can include their views to take sides on the weaker side to
split. The US government will not be able to prevent their split, because
the American's motto - freedom, freedom and freedom.

Hence, if there is breakup in US, the internal support from the world to
recognise both party into two separated USA will definitely be supported.
When that happened, there will be joy and delights and celebrations not only
by Americans, but by the world, too.

Once the US becomes two independent countries, there will be more
separations from it, too. In the two independent US countries, there should
be further separation into republics, too.

In any case, US independent breakup is the US government that China will not
interfere. If US dies to the dust, it is US business. However, China will
not allow any US independent country if any to interfere China on Taiwan.
Make no mistake, China will snag and snap at US or any country in trying
interfere Taiwan.

"ltlee1" wrote in message
news:533ac183-11a5-4248-bbe9-037158ba0ae6n@googlegroups.com...

On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 5:51:24 PM UTC-5, stoney wrote:
> The two party is like two siblings seeking to split the country into half
> and go their way..

If that ever happens, would and should China recognize and support the
weaker
side as an independent country right away?
Could the US government really preclude any secession movement, if not, how
could the US expect China to cooperate with the stronger side given its
current
position regarding Taiwan?

>
> "ltlee1" wrote in message
> news:4f302980-1cb6-4f54...@googlegroups.com...
> "A majority of people who voted for former President Donald Trump are in
> favor of breaking up the country, a new poll from the University of
> Virginia
> Center for Politics has found.
>
> UVA surveyed 2,012 voters — half of whom voted for Trump, the other half
> for
> President Joe Biden – in late July in order to better understand the
> growing
> split between the Democratic and Republican Parties.
>
> The results show a country at ideological war with itself: More than half
> of
> the surveyed Trump voters — approximately 52% — said the "situation is
> such
> that I would favor [Blue/Red] states seceding from the union to form their
> own separate country." Approximately 41% of Biden-voting respondents
> answered similarly.
>
> Some Republicans have floated proposals to secede from the union,
> including
> former Texas GOP chair Allen West. After the Supreme Court rejected a
> lawsuit spearheaded by the Texas attorney general aimed at overturning the
> 2020 presidential election results, West said that "perhaps law-abiding
> states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by
> the constitution."
>
> The survey shows Republicans and Democrats heavily distrust one another,
> with 80% or more of respondents from each party saying the opposing side
> presents "a clear and present danger to American democracy." In addition,
> 80% or more of survey respondents said they're worried they or someone
> close
> to them will experience "personal loss or suffering due to the effects" of
> the opposing party's policies.
> ...
> "The divide between Trump and Biden voters is deep, wide, and dangerous,"
> Larry Sabato, the director of UVA's Center for Politics, wrote. "The scope
> is unprecedented, and it will not be easily fixed.""
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/majority-of-trump-voters-believe-its-time-to-secede-survey-finds-2021-10?op=1

On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 2:13:58 AM UTC-5, stoney wrote:
> China will not interfere in the other people's politics and internal affairs
> or businesses. Hence, as usual, China will not likely take sides.
>
> But the world can include their views to take sides on the weaker side to
> split. The US government will not be able to prevent their split, because
> the American's motto - freedom, freedom and freedom.
>
> Hence, if there is breakup in US, the internal support from the world to
> recognise both party into two separated USA will definitely be supported.
> When that happened, there will be joy and delights and celebrations not only
> by Americans, but by the world, too.
>
> Once the US becomes two independent countries, there will be more
> separations from it, too. In the two independent US countries, there should
> be further separation into republics, too.
>
> In any case, US independent breakup is the US government that China will not
> interfere. If US dies to the dust, it is US business. However, China will
> not allow any US independent country if any to interfere China on Taiwan.
> Make no mistake, China will snag and snap at US or any country in trying
> interfere Taiwan.
>
>
>
>
>
> "ltlee1" wrote in message
> news:533ac183-11a5-4248...@googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 5:51:24 PM UTC-5, stoney wrote:
> > The two party is like two siblings seeking to split the country into half
> > and go their way..
>
> If that ever happens, would and should China recognize and support the
> weaker
> side as an independent country right away?
> Could the US government really preclude any secession movement, if not, how
> could the US expect China to cooperate with the stronger side given its
> current
> position regarding Taiwan?
>
> >
> > "ltlee1" wrote in message
> > news:4f302980-1cb6-4f54...@googlegroups.com...
> > "A majority of people who voted for former President Donald Trump are in
> > favor of breaking up the country, a new poll from the University of
> > Virginia
> > Center for Politics has found.
> >
> > UVA surveyed 2,012 voters — half of whom voted for Trump, the other half
> > for
> > President Joe Biden – in late July in order to better understand the
> > growing
> > split between the Democratic and Republican Parties.
> >
> > The results show a country at ideological war with itself: More than half
> > of
> > the surveyed Trump voters — approximately 52% — said the "situation is
> > such
> > that I would favor [Blue/Red] states seceding from the union to form their
> > own separate country." Approximately 41% of Biden-voting respondents
> > answered similarly.
> >
> > Some Republicans have floated proposals to secede from the union,
> > including
> > former Texas GOP chair Allen West. After the Supreme Court rejected a
> > lawsuit spearheaded by the Texas attorney general aimed at overturning the
> > 2020 presidential election results, West said that "perhaps law-abiding
> > states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by
> > the constitution."
> >
> > The survey shows Republicans and Democrats heavily distrust one another,
> > with 80% or more of respondents from each party saying the opposing side
> > presents "a clear and present danger to American democracy." In addition,
> > 80% or more of survey respondents said they're worried they or someone
> > close
> > to them will experience "personal loss or suffering due to the effects" of
> > the opposing party's policies.
> > ...
> > "The divide between Trump and Biden voters is deep, wide, and dangerous,"
> > Larry Sabato, the director of UVA's Center for Politics, wrote. "The scope
> > is unprecedented, and it will not be easily fixed.""
> >
> > https://www.businessinsider.com/majority-of-trump-voters-believe-its-time-to-secede-survey-finds-2021-10?op=1

I am not sure I can totally agree with you on the interpretation of non-interfering.
When is interfering interfering?

When Nixon offered to help ROC (Taiwan) a seat in the United Nation, Jiang
declined Nixon's offer. Jiang's refusal to establish the ROC as an independent
nation is the foundation of the One China principle and the Shanghai Communique.
The One China principle clearly delineates when is interfering.
However, such agreement from both sides of a still civil war is rare. And without such
agreement, when is interfering interfering is a lot murkier.

For example, China congratulated Biden's electoral win a week after other world
leaders. But the Trump camp still claimed the Democrat had stolen the election.
Was China's congratulation still a form of interference?