T wrote:
> On 4/13/24 03:10, Toljah Soh <toljah.soh@sooth.sayer> wrote:
>> 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> I am sure the US also subsidize the schools and universities, except those "private schools/universities" for super rich kids whose parents have money coming out of their ears.
>>
>> The US taxpayers subsidize everyfuckinthing.
>
>
> We need to take a page from Javier Milei and
> end ALL subsidizes, including unwed mother,
> corm alcohol, yada, yada, yada.  He also
> ended all transfers of money from the fed
> to the states.  He sees it, and I agree, as
> too much of a temptation to corruption.
>
> ¡Viva la libertad, carajo!

Agreed!
The evil Michigan Governor Whitmer made one hell of a mess with the Communist Chinese.
Now the taxpayers get to pay to clean it up.

https://freep-mi.newsmemory.com/?publink=044d589da_134d1e3

On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 16:12:30 -0400, Ed P wrote:

> Note that you said "better the degree". Yes, Engineering, Business
> Administration, Computer Science, medical. Not dance, theater,
> puppetry.

https://hass.rpi.edu/games-and-simulation-arts-and-sciences

https://news.rpi.edu/content/2018/06/26/rensselaer-game-design-program-
among-top-10-nationwide

Game design wasn't on the menu when I was an undergraduate. For that
matter there wasn't even a computer science program although FORTRAN IV
was taught.

The question is if a doctorate in critical game design is a good career
choice or akin to puppetry? Om the plus side, while estimates are all over
the place, worldwide it looks like a 200+ billion dollar market,
outstripping Hollywood and music combined.

Even NYS is putting a lot of eggs in the basket. Troy, NY, the home of
RPI, is a typical rust belt city. When I was there in 2004 almost all
industry was gone. RPI graduates are spinning off game companies that
might help the economy.

On the negative side it seems like a trivial use of talent and probably
won't overtake porn as a money maker anytime soon. Maybe a theater degree
with a concentration on 'adult entertainment' is the way to go.

On 13 Apr 2024 20:52:18 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> STEM degrees are still pretty good. Of course, you can't bullshit your
> way through those like you can through a degree in the "soft sciences".

I don't know. I've been bullshitting my way for about 50 years. Maybe
bullshitting isn't quite the right term but a good deal of what is taught
in a STEM curriculum will be obsolete before the ink is dry on the
diploma.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:37:53 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 4/12/2024 4:35 PM, Bob F wrote:
>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, max headroom wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank wrote on 4/12/2024 10:13 AM:
>>>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, T wrote:
>>>>> https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/MC-TBone_041124-800x0.jpg
>>>>
>>>> It is all about buying votes.
>>>>
>>>> I did not mention that I got $2,000 tax rebate on my heat pump thanks
>>>> to Biden but my vote does not come that cheap.  Besides the rebates
>>>> probably got gobbled up by producers of heat pumps.
>>>>
>>>> That will happen with tuition rebates.  The universities will just
>>>> raise tuition cost.
>>>
>>>
>>> I feel sorry for you and your country. Future historians and history
>>> students will have a good laugh at you. In fact they'll laugh their
>>> heads off.
>>
>> There are few other major countries where getting an education results
>> in major debt to the educated. They realize that educating the public
>> benefits everyone and the country itself.
>>
>> When US students decide that getting an education is just to costly to
>> proceed, the country will be the loser.
>>
>>
>
>Our system has been bonkers for a while. Kids have been told to get a
>good job you need a college education. Some companies will not hire
>anyone unless they have a degree.
>
>So, kids take courses they like, Interpretive Dance, Theater, 4th
>Century Greek Sculpture. They have big buck in debt and cannot find a
>decent job.
>
>Finally companies are not always requiring a degree and some kids are
>now going into the trades making a very good living.
>
>I was the General Manager of my company and started working in 1963 with
>no degree, just some night school. The last few years working, two of
>my guys had degrees and made half my salary. Neither used their school
>taught skills for the job.
The best apprentice Mechanic I ever hired had an honours BA in
Physics. Can't say it didn't help him a LITTLE bit in understanding
how things work but where it really helped him was when he went into
teaching - - -

On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 09:53:30 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 4/13/2024 7:24 AM, Frank wrote:
>> On 4/12/2024 8:42 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>
>
>>> By "subsidy" I don't mean government giving you money in the form of
>>> "grants". The government absorbs a lot of the costs of running a
>>> university. The university I went to occupies a whole peninsula off
>>> Vancouver, B.C. The university campus is on "university endowment
>>> land". Apparently it meant the government gave the peninsula to the
>>> university for free (i.e. endowment). Both the provincial government
>>> and the federal government subsidize the cost of education (all levels
>>> of education, not just university education). Canada is socialistic,
>>> from the cradle to the grave.
>>>
>>>> I managed to make enough money working summers to pay tuition and
>>>> even buy a used car to commute.  Grad school I had a teaching
>>>> assistantship and then a business sponsored fellowship.  When I
>>>> finally finished I had no debt and money in my pocket.  I could
>>>> afford to send our three sons without borrowing.  One son now works
>>>> at the university and our granddaughter went free.
>>>
>>> I am sure the US also subsidize the schools and universities, except
>>> those "private schools/universities" for super rich kids whose parents
>>> have money coming out of their ears.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I should not have put it that way and maybe should have wrote no easy
>> money to borrow or scholarship.  Guess I meant in those days I was on my
>> own or dependent on parents alone.  Not sure I would count state
>> universities for residents tuition vs non residents but it is cheaper
>> for residents.
>>
>> Might also mention I went to a Catholic boys high school where tuition
>> was $80 a year but today is $16,000.  Demonstrates that cost of
>> education is up all over. Back in those days teachers were priests
>> living in poverty where today they have all lay teachers.
>
>Our catholic high school tuition was paid by our parish covered by
>donations. Just looked, now $9400.
Here in Ontario the Cathilic schools are suppoerted the same as the
"public" schools - by tax-payer's money.

On 4/13/24 14:45, rbowman wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2024 20:52:18 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> STEM degrees are still pretty good. Of course, you can't bullshit your
>> way through those like you can through a degree in the "soft sciences".
>
> I don't know. I've been bullshitting my way for about 50 years. Maybe
> bullshitting isn't quite the right term but a good deal of what is taught
> in a STEM curriculum will be obsolete before the ink is dry on the
> diploma.

The STEM grads I have come across lately have been worthless.
I have a bachelors in electrical and electronic engineering
myself and I almost do not like saying so as I do not want
to be lumped in with the current group of useless grads.

And STEM degrees are not what the use to be. Now all
STEM work is outsourced to India and such. If you want
a job, stay away from STEM. You need to go into something
that can not be outsoured, such as law, medical, etc..

On 4/13/24 18:53, Clare Snyder wrote:
> Here in Ontario the Cathilic schools are suppoerted the same as the
> "public" schools - by tax-payer's money.

Does the "State" dictate what the Catholic schools teach
or they lose their funding? Are they required to teach things
that violate their beliefs?

Clare Snyder wrote on 4/13/2024 9:52 PM:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:37:53 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 4/12/2024 4:35 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Frank wrote on 4/12/2024 10:13 AM:
>>>>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, T wrote:
>>>>>> https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/MC-TBone_041124-800x0.jpg
>>>>> It is all about buying votes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not mention that I got $2,000 tax rebate on my heat pump thanks
>>>>> to Biden but my vote does not come that cheap.  Besides the rebates
>>>>> probably got gobbled up by producers of heat pumps.
>>>>>
>>>>> That will happen with tuition rebates.  The universities will just
>>>>> raise tuition cost.
>>>>
>>>> I feel sorry for you and your country. Future historians and history
>>>> students will have a good laugh at you. In fact they'll laugh their
>>>> heads off.
>>> There are few other major countries where getting an education results
>>> in major debt to the educated. They realize that educating the public
>>> benefits everyone and the country itself.
>>>
>>> When US students decide that getting an education is just to costly to
>>> proceed, the country will be the loser.
>>>
>>>
>> Our system has been bonkers for a while. Kids have been told to get a
>> good job you need a college education. Some companies will not hire
>> anyone unless they have a degree.
>>
>> So, kids take courses they like, Interpretive Dance, Theater, 4th
>> Century Greek Sculpture. They have big buck in debt and cannot find a
>> decent job.
>>
>> Finally companies are not always requiring a degree and some kids are
>> now going into the trades making a very good living.
>>
>> I was the General Manager of my company and started working in 1963 with
>> no degree, just some night school. The last few years working, two of
>> my guys had degrees and made half my salary. Neither used their school
>> taught skills for the job.
> The best apprentice Mechanic I ever hired had an honours BA in
> Physics.

"Bachelor of Arts in Physics" is an oxymoron. That's is a "waste of time
& money" degree.

Physics is in Faculty of Science.

> Can't say it didn't help him a LITTLE bit in understanding
> how things work

I can understand why he doesn't understand how things work as an
apprentice Mechanic.

> but where it really helped him was when he went into
> teaching - - -

“Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach.”

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 13 Apr 2024 22:21:34 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
? <@.> wrote:

>Clare Snyder wrote on 4/13/2024 9:52 PM:
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:37:53 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/12/2024 4:35 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote on 4/12/2024 10:13 AM:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, T wrote:
>>>>>>> https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/MC-TBone_041124-800x0.jpg
>>>>>> It is all about buying votes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not mention that I got $2,000 tax rebate on my heat pump thanks
>>>>>> to Biden but my vote does not come that cheap.  Besides the rebates
>>>>>> probably got gobbled up by producers of heat pumps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That will happen with tuition rebates.  The universities will just
>>>>>> raise tuition cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel sorry for you and your country. Future historians and history
>>>>> students will have a good laugh at you. In fact they'll laugh their
>>>>> heads off.
>>>> There are few other major countries where getting an education results
>>>> in major debt to the educated. They realize that educating the public
>>>> benefits everyone and the country itself.
>>>>
>>>> When US students decide that getting an education is just to costly to
>>>> proceed, the country will be the loser.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Our system has been bonkers for a while. Kids have been told to get a
>>> good job you need a college education. Some companies will not hire
>>> anyone unless they have a degree.
>>>
>>> So, kids take courses they like, Interpretive Dance, Theater, 4th
>>> Century Greek Sculpture. They have big buck in debt and cannot find a
>>> decent job.
>>>
>>> Finally companies are not always requiring a degree and some kids are
>>> now going into the trades making a very good living.
>>>
>>> I was the General Manager of my company and started working in 1963 with
>>> no degree, just some night school. The last few years working, two of
>>> my guys had degrees and made half my salary. Neither used their school
>>> taught skills for the job.
>> The best apprentice Mechanic I ever hired had an honours BA in
>> Physics.
>
>
>"Bachelor of Arts in Physics" is an oxymoron. That's is a "waste of time
>& money" degree.

No it's not. You probably don't know the difference between a BA and BS
in many schools. At the U. of Chicago it was only one course, that
didn't have to be in physics.
>
>Physics is in Faculty of Science.

So what?
>
>> Can't say it didn't help him a LITTLE bit in understanding
>> how things work
>
>I can understand why he doesn't understand how things work as an
>apprentice Mechanic.

With Clare's 3 negatives, I think you missed the point of what he was
saying.

>> but where it really helped him was when he went into
>> teaching - - -
>
>“Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach.”

A popular snide remark, but not true.
>
>

On 4/13/2024 8:24 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 13 Apr 2024 22:21:34 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
> ? <@.> wrote:
>
>> Clare Snyder wrote on 4/13/2024 9:52 PM:
>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:37:53 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/12/2024 4:35 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote on 4/12/2024 10:13 AM:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, T wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/MC-TBone_041124-800x0.jpg
>>>>>>> It is all about buying votes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did not mention that I got $2,000 tax rebate on my heat pump thanks
>>>>>>> to Biden but my vote does not come that cheap.  Besides the rebates
>>>>>>> probably got gobbled up by producers of heat pumps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That will happen with tuition rebates.  The universities will just
>>>>>>> raise tuition cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel sorry for you and your country. Future historians and history
>>>>>> students will have a good laugh at you. In fact they'll laugh their
>>>>>> heads off.
>>>>> There are few other major countries where getting an education results
>>>>> in major debt to the educated. They realize that educating the public
>>>>> benefits everyone and the country itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> When US students decide that getting an education is just to costly to
>>>>> proceed, the country will be the loser.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Our system has been bonkers for a while. Kids have been told to get a
>>>> good job you need a college education. Some companies will not hire
>>>> anyone unless they have a degree.
>>>>
>>>> So, kids take courses they like, Interpretive Dance, Theater, 4th
>>>> Century Greek Sculpture. They have big buck in debt and cannot find a
>>>> decent job.
>>>>
>>>> Finally companies are not always requiring a degree and some kids are
>>>> now going into the trades making a very good living.
>>>>
>>>> I was the General Manager of my company and started working in 1963 with
>>>> no degree, just some night school. The last few years working, two of
>>>> my guys had degrees and made half my salary. Neither used their school
>>>> taught skills for the job.
>>> The best apprentice Mechanic I ever hired had an honours BA in
>>> Physics.
>>
>>
>> "Bachelor of Arts in Physics" is an oxymoron. That's is a "waste of time
>> & money" degree.
>
> No it's not. You probably don't know the difference between a BA and BS
> in many schools. At the U. of Chicago it was only one course, that
> didn't have to be in physics.
>>
>> Physics is in Faculty of Science.
>
> So what?
>>
>>> Can't say it didn't help him a LITTLE bit in understanding
>>> how things work
>>
>> I can understand why he doesn't understand how things work as an
>> apprentice Mechanic.
>
> With Clare's 3 negatives, I think you missed the point of what he was
> saying.
>
>>> but where it really helped him was when he went into
>>> teaching - - -
>>
>> “Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach.”
>
> A popular snide remark, but not true.
>>
>>

Gop'ers think in meaningless snide talking points.

Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 09:53:30 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 4/13/2024 7:24 AM, Frank wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2024 8:42 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> By "subsidy" I don't mean government giving you money in the form of
>>>> "grants". The government absorbs a lot of the costs of running a
>>>> university. The university I went to occupies a whole peninsula off
>>>> Vancouver, B.C. The university campus is on "university endowment
>>>> land". Apparently it meant the government gave the peninsula to the
>>>> university for free (i.e. endowment). Both the provincial government
>>>> and the federal government subsidize the cost of education (all levels
>>>> of education, not just university education). Canada is socialistic,
>>>> from the cradle to the grave.
>>>>
>>>>> I managed to make enough money working summers to pay tuition and
>>>>> even buy a used car to commute.  Grad school I had a teaching
>>>>> assistantship and then a business sponsored fellowship.  When I
>>>>> finally finished I had no debt and money in my pocket.  I could
>>>>> afford to send our three sons without borrowing.  One son now works
>>>>> at the university and our granddaughter went free.
>>>>
>>>> I am sure the US also subsidize the schools and universities, except
>>>> those "private schools/universities" for super rich kids whose parents
>>>> have money coming out of their ears.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I should not have put it that way and maybe should have wrote no easy
>>> money to borrow or scholarship.  Guess I meant in those days I was on my
>>> own or dependent on parents alone.  Not sure I would count state
>>> universities for residents tuition vs non residents but it is cheaper
>>> for residents.
>>>
>>> Might also mention I went to a Catholic boys high school where tuition
>>> was $80 a year but today is $16,000.  Demonstrates that cost of
>>> education is up all over. Back in those days teachers were priests
>>> living in poverty where today they have all lay teachers.
>>
>> Our catholic high school tuition was paid by our parish covered by
>> donations. Just looked, now $9400.
> Here in Ontario the Cathilic schools are suppoerted the same as the
> "public" schools - by tax-payer's money.
>

How is Canada's #1 shop teacher (Mr. Kayla Z-cups) doing?

On 4/13/2024 10:18 PM, T wrote:
> On 4/13/24 14:45, rbowman wrote:
>> On 13 Apr 2024 20:52:18 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> STEM degrees are still pretty good.  Of course, you can't bullshit your
>>> way through those like you can through a degree in the "soft sciences".
>>
>> I don't know. I've been bullshitting my way for about 50 years.  Maybe
>> bullshitting isn't quite the right term but a good deal of what is taught
>> in a STEM curriculum will be obsolete before the ink is dry on the
>> diploma.
>
> The STEM grads I have come across lately have been worthless.
> I have a bachelors in electrical and electronic engineering
> myself and I almost do not like saying so as I do not want
> to be lumped in with the current group of useless grads.
>
> And STEM degrees are not what the use to be.  Now all
> STEM work is outsourced to India and such.  If you want
> a job, stay away from STEM.  You need to go into something
> that can not be outsoured, such as law, medical, etc..

Reminds me of a high school classmate who as a retired civil engineer
got a job teaching at a junior college. The college got on him for
being too severe in his grading. I agree that it is easier to get a
STEM degree today.

Frank wrote on 4/14/2024 7:08 AM:
> On 4/13/2024 10:18 PM, T wrote:
>> On 4/13/24 14:45, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 13 Apr 2024 20:52:18 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> STEM degrees are still pretty good. Of course, you can't bullshit your
>>>> way through those like you can through a degree in the "soft
>>>> sciences".
>>>
>>> I don't know. I've been bullshitting my way for about 50 years.  Maybe
>>> bullshitting isn't quite the right term but a good deal of what is
>>> taught
>>> in a STEM curriculum will be obsolete before the ink is dry on the
>>> diploma.
>>
>> The STEM grads I have come across lately have been worthless.
>> I have a bachelors in electrical and electronic engineering
>> myself and I almost do not like saying so as I do not want
>> to be lumped in with the current group of useless grads.
>>
>> And STEM degrees are not what the use to be.  Now all
>> STEM work is outsourced to India and such.  If you want
>> a job, stay away from STEM.  You need to go into something
>> that can not be outsoured, such as law, medical, etc..
>
> Reminds me of a high school classmate who as a retired civil engineer
> got a job teaching at a junior college.  The college got on him for
> being too severe in his grading.  I agree that it is easier to get a
> STEM degree today.

He can't be that good a civil engineer if he has to get a teaching job
in his golden years.

In article <uvgdf8$3jmfd$1@dont-email.me>, "frank "@frank.net says...
>
> Reminds me of a high school classmate who as a retired civil engineer
> got a job teaching at a junior college. The college got on him for
> being too severe in his grading. I agree that it is easier to get a
> STEM degree today.
>
>

Co worker was picking up some extra money as a teacher at a technical
college. He failed seveal 2nd qarter students which were actually men
that companies sent for electrical training. He was told his services
were no longer needed ashe was just suppose to pass then through so they
could get paid for going to school. He told me that they did not have
an understanding of what the first quarter was suppose to teach them.

Thirty years ago I ran into a teacher from my technical college and
introduced him to another teacher in his field from another school.
They talked of how much easier things were after the time I had went
there.

On 4/14/2024 8:14 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Frank wrote on 4/14/2024 7:08 AM:

>>
>> Reminds me of a high school classmate who as a retired civil engineer
>> got a job teaching at a junior college.  The college got on him for
>> being too severe in his grading.  I agree that it is easier to get a
>> STEM degree today.
>
>
> He can't be that good a civil engineer if he has to get a teaching job
> in his golden years.
>

Quite the opposite. He is using his years of experience to give
knowledge to to others in the future. That has been done for generations.

On 4/14/24 04:08, Frank wrote:
> On 4/13/2024 10:18 PM, T wrote:
>> On 4/13/24 14:45, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 13 Apr 2024 20:52:18 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> STEM degrees are still pretty good.  Of course, you can't bullshit your
>>>> way through those like you can through a degree in the "soft sciences".
>>>
>>> I don't know. I've been bullshitting my way for about 50 years.  Maybe
>>> bullshitting isn't quite the right term but a good deal of what is
>>> taught
>>> in a STEM curriculum will be obsolete before the ink is dry on the
>>> diploma.
>>
>> The STEM grads I have come across lately have been worthless.
>> I have a bachelors in electrical and electronic engineering
>> myself and I almost do not like saying so as I do not want
>> to be lumped in with the current group of useless grads.
>>
>> And STEM degrees are not what the use to be.  Now all
>> STEM work is outsourced to India and such.  If you want
>> a job, stay away from STEM.  You need to go into something
>> that can not be outsoured, such as law, medical, etc..
>
> Reminds me of a high school classmate who as a retired civil engineer
> got a job teaching at a junior college.  The college got on him for
> being too severe in his grading.  I agree that it is easier to get a
> STEM degree today.

And good luck getting a job with a STEM degree, unless you
want to move to India or China.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 23:24:18 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 13 Apr 2024 22:21:34 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
>? <@.> wrote:
>
>>Clare Snyder wrote on 4/13/2024 9:52 PM:
>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:37:53 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/12/2024 4:35 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote on 4/12/2024 10:13 AM:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, T wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/MC-TBone_041124-800x0.jpg
>>>>>>> It is all about buying votes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did not mention that I got $2,000 tax rebate on my heat pump thanks
>>>>>>> to Biden but my vote does not come that cheap.  Besides the rebates
>>>>>>> probably got gobbled up by producers of heat pumps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That will happen with tuition rebates.  The universities will just
>>>>>>> raise tuition cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel sorry for you and your country. Future historians and history
>>>>>> students will have a good laugh at you. In fact they'll laugh their
>>>>>> heads off.
>>>>> There are few other major countries where getting an education results
>>>>> in major debt to the educated. They realize that educating the public
>>>>> benefits everyone and the country itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> When US students decide that getting an education is just to costly to
>>>>> proceed, the country will be the loser.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Our system has been bonkers for a while. Kids have been told to get a
>>>> good job you need a college education. Some companies will not hire
>>>> anyone unless they have a degree.
>>>>
>>>> So, kids take courses they like, Interpretive Dance, Theater, 4th
>>>> Century Greek Sculpture. They have big buck in debt and cannot find a
>>>> decent job.
>>>>
>>>> Finally companies are not always requiring a degree and some kids are
>>>> now going into the trades making a very good living.
>>>>
>>>> I was the General Manager of my company and started working in 1963 with
>>>> no degree, just some night school. The last few years working, two of
>>>> my guys had degrees and made half my salary. Neither used their school
>>>> taught skills for the job.
>>> The best apprentice Mechanic I ever hired had an honours BA in
>>> Physics.
>>
>>
>>"Bachelor of Arts in Physics" is an oxymoron. That's is a "waste of time
>>& money" degree.
>
>No it's not. You probably don't know the difference between a BA and BS
>in many schools. At the U. of Chicago it was only one course, that
>didn't have to be in physics.
>>
>>Physics is in Faculty of Science.
>
>So what?
>>
>>> Can't say it didn't help him a LITTLE bit in understanding
>>> how things work
>>
>>I can understand why he doesn't understand how things work as an
>>apprentice Mechanic.
>
>With Clare's 3 negatives, I think you missed the point of what he was
>saying.
>
>>> but where it really helped him was when he went into
>>> teaching - - -
>>
>>“Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach.”
>
>A popular snide remark, but not true.
>>
>>
I definitely proved I COULD DO - as well as COULD TEACH - as did Rob
- and also another apprentice I trained - Steve. Both ended their
careers as tech department heads and one as a board consultant after
retirement while I decided to go back to the doing for another decade
or so before changing fields.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 10:39:39 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 4/14/2024 8:14 AM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>> Frank wrote on 4/14/2024 7:08 AM:
>
>>>
>>> Reminds me of a high school classmate who as a retired civil engineer
>>> got a job teaching at a junior college.  The college got on him for
>>> being too severe in his grading.  I agree that it is easier to get a
>>> STEM degree today.
>>
>>
>> He can't be that good a civil engineer if he has to get a teaching job
>> in his golden years.
>>
>
>Quite the opposite. He is using his years of experience to give
>knowledge to to others in the future. That has been done for generations.
That's how the good ones got trained.

Sometimes the "them that can't do teach" is ALMOST true.
Once the old guys can no longer physically keep up they step down to
give the "young bucks" a chance and go to teaching - imparting their
knowlege and experience to the "young young bucks" getting in at the
bottom of the ladder.

When I was teaching I was still one of the "young bucks"

On 4/14/24 21:25, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 23:24:18 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 13 Apr 2024 22:21:34 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
>> ? <@.> wrote:
>>
>>> Clare Snyder wrote on 4/13/2024 9:52 PM:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:37:53 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/12/2024 4:35 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank wrote on 4/12/2024 10:13 AM:
>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 7:32 AM, T wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/MC-TBone_041124-800x0.jpg
>>>>>>>> It is all about buying votes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did not mention that I got $2,000 tax rebate on my heat pump thanks
>>>>>>>> to Biden but my vote does not come that cheap.  Besides the rebates
>>>>>>>> probably got gobbled up by producers of heat pumps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That will happen with tuition rebates.  The universities will just
>>>>>>>> raise tuition cost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel sorry for you and your country. Future historians and history
>>>>>>> students will have a good laugh at you. In fact they'll laugh their
>>>>>>> heads off.
>>>>>> There are few other major countries where getting an education results
>>>>>> in major debt to the educated. They realize that educating the public
>>>>>> benefits everyone and the country itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When US students decide that getting an education is just to costly to
>>>>>> proceed, the country will be the loser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Our system has been bonkers for a while. Kids have been told to get a
>>>>> good job you need a college education. Some companies will not hire
>>>>> anyone unless they have a degree.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, kids take courses they like, Interpretive Dance, Theater, 4th
>>>>> Century Greek Sculpture. They have big buck in debt and cannot find a
>>>>> decent job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally companies are not always requiring a degree and some kids are
>>>>> now going into the trades making a very good living.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was the General Manager of my company and started working in 1963 with
>>>>> no degree, just some night school. The last few years working, two of
>>>>> my guys had degrees and made half my salary. Neither used their school
>>>>> taught skills for the job.
>>>> The best apprentice Mechanic I ever hired had an honours BA in
>>>> Physics.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bachelor of Arts in Physics" is an oxymoron. That's is a "waste of time
>>> & money" degree.
>>
>> No it's not. You probably don't know the difference between a BA and BS
>> in many schools. At the U. of Chicago it was only one course, that
>> didn't have to be in physics.
>>>
>>> Physics is in Faculty of Science.
>>
>> So what?
>>>
>>>> Can't say it didn't help him a LITTLE bit in understanding
>>>> how things work
>>>
>>> I can understand why he doesn't understand how things work as an
>>> apprentice Mechanic.
>>
>> With Clare's 3 negatives, I think you missed the point of what he was
>> saying.
>>
>>>> but where it really helped him was when he went into
>>>> teaching - - -
>>>
>>> “Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach.”
>>
>> A popular snide remark, but not true.
>>>
>>>
> I definitely proved I COULD DO - as well as COULD TEACH - as did Rob
> - and also another apprentice I trained - Steve. Both ended their
> careers as tech department heads and one as a board consultant after
> retirement while I decided to go back to the doing for another decade
> or so before changing fields.

Those that can do.

Those that can't, teach.

Those that can't teach, become administrators.

On 4/14/24 22:18, T wrote:
> On 4/14/24 21:25, Clare Snyder wrote:

>>>> “Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach.”
>>>
>>> A popular snide remark, but not true.
>>>>
>>>>
>>   I definitely proved I COULD DO - as well as COULD TEACH - as did Rob
>> - and also another apprentice I trained - Steve. Both ended their
>> careers as tech department heads and one as a board consultant after
>> retirement while I decided to go back to the doing for another decade
>> or so before changing fields.
>
>
> Those that can do.
>
> Those that can't, teach.
>
> Those that can't teach, become administrators.
>

I did have some good instructors in college. But
I could not help to notice that most instructors
because worthless wastes of space after they got
tenure.

Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 10:39:39 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 4/14/2024 8:14 AM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>> Frank wrote on 4/14/2024 7:08 AM:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Reminds me of a high school classmate who as a retired civil engineer
>>>> got a job teaching at a junior college.  The college got on him for
>>>> being too severe in his grading.  I agree that it is easier to get a
>>>> STEM degree today.
>>>
>>>
>>> He can't be that good a civil engineer if he has to get a teaching job
>>> in his golden years.
>>>
>>
>> Quite the opposite. He is using his years of experience to give
>> knowledge to to others in the future. That has been done for generations.
> That's how the good ones got trained.
>
> Sometimes the "them that can't do teach" is ALMOST true.
> Once the old guys can no longer physically keep up they step down to
> give the "young bucks" a chance and go to teaching - imparting their
> knowlege and experience to the "young young bucks" getting in at the
> bottom of the ladder.
>
> When I was teaching I was still one of the "young bucks"
>

Learn it. Do it. Teach it.

https://www.breitbart.com/education/2024/04/14/police-nebraska-teacher-found-undressed-student-back-seat-car/

Dik Kraven-Moorehead wrote on 4/15/2024 6:31 AM:
> Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 10:39:39 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/14/2024 8:14 AM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote on 4/14/2024 7:08 AM:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Reminds me of a high school classmate who as a retired civil engineer
>>>>> got a job teaching at a junior college.  The college got on him for
>>>>> being too severe in his grading.  I agree that it is easier to get a
>>>>> STEM degree today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He can't be that good a civil engineer if he has to get a teaching job
>>>> in his golden years.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Quite the opposite.  He is using his years of experience to give
>>> knowledge to to others in the future.  That has been done for
>>> generations.
>>   That's how the good ones got trained.
>>
>> Sometimes the "them that can't do teach" is ALMOST true.
>> Once the old guys can no longer physically keep up they step down to
>> give the "young bucks" a chance and  go to teaching - imparting their
>> knowlege and experience to the "young young bucks" getting in at the
>> bottom of the ladder.
>>
>> When I was teaching I was still one of the "young bucks"
>>
>
>
> Learn it. Do it. Teach it.
>
> https://www.breitbart.com/education/2024/04/14/police-nebraska-teacher-found-undressed-student-back-seat-car/
>

This doe loves young bucks.

On 4/12/24 04:32, T wrote:
> https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/MC-TBone_041124-800x0.jpg

https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb042224dAPR-800x0.jpg

T wrote:
> On 4/12/24 04:32, T wrote:
>> https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/MC-TBone_041124-800x0.jpg
>
> https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/afb042224dAPR-800x0.jpg
>
>

I need some taxpayer debt relief.