In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:03:31 -0400,
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 16:21:47 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 22:10:21 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 20:56:44 -0500, Fishrrman <Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 3/7/24 5:10 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>> My 8 year old Kia 170 k km 4 cyl. gas auto
>>>>> has started to behave very sluggish
>>>>> on acceleration and hills.
>>>>
>>>>Just wondering...
>>>>How long since you changed the spark plugs?
>>>>And... the engine air filter?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Spark plugs are original ; numerous air filters.
>>> John T.
>>When you replace the plugs use either NGK or Nippondenso - or AC Delco
>>in a pinch. NOT E3 or Bosch Dual Platinum or other "gimick" plugs.
>>With Coil On Plug dual platinum is not required - they ARE highly
>>recommended for waste spark ignition systems (just not BOSCH). Waste
>>spark systems (double ended coils) fire plugs both polarities so
>>erode both electrodes.
>>
>
> I guess I haven't bought spark plugs in a long time -
>
>Kia dealer $ 27.54 each ! < NGK OEM >

Wow. Used to get a set of 8 for that price.

>Canadian Tire NGK OEM $ 20. NGK <same but non OEM $ 13. >
> John T.

I think I'll buy the Candadian ones except if they're made out of
rubber.

My previous car had a side-mounted 6-cylinder, and I thought of changing
the plubs, but I didn't see how I, or anyone, would get the rear 3 out.
And I didn't like having 3 new ones and 3 old ones... it bothers my
sense of evenness.

The next car is the same as the previous car so I have no plans to
change the plugs. It still starts quickly.

In article <uspoh0$b0ln$1@dont-email.me>, "frank "@frank.net says...
>
> Years ago I drove a rental with the check engine light on for over a
> thousand miles. That also tells us to never buy a used car from a
> rental agency.
>
>

Sometimes you never know about the warning lights. I had a car that had
a warning light that came on after so many thousand miles. The factory
solution was to cut the wire to that light as it was something to do
with a sensor that they thought may only last so many mils but found out
it did not normally go bad. Another car would get the check engine
light every time I filled up at either of 2 service stations that I only
did about every 2 or 3 months.

Now my pet peve about the lights is the tire pressure warning because
the batteries in the sensors only last so long.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:13:18 -0400,
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:29:23 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:03:31 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 16:21:47 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 22:10:21 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 20:56:44 -0500, Fishrrman <Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 3/7/24 5:10 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> My 8 year old Kia 170 k km 4 cyl. gas auto
>>>>>>> has started to behave very sluggish
>>>>>>> on acceleration and hills.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just wondering...
>>>>>>How long since you changed the spark plugs?
>>>>>>And... the engine air filter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Spark plugs are original ; numerous air filters.
>>>>> John T.
>>>>When you replace the plugs use either NGK or Nippondenso - or AC Delco
>>>>in a pinch. NOT E3 or Bosch Dual Platinum or other "gimick" plugs.
>>>>With Coil On Plug dual platinum is not required - they ARE highly
>>>>recommended for waste spark ignition systems (just not BOSCH). Waste
>>>>spark systems (double ended coils) fire plugs both polarities so
>>>>erode both electrodes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess I haven't bought spark plugs in a long time -
>>>
>>>Kia dealer $ 27.54 each ! < NGK OEM >
>>>Canadian Tire NGK OEM $ 20. NGK <same but non OEM $ 13. >
>>> John T.
>>
>>You remember Champion J8 plugs for 29 cents too, do you???
>>
>
>I don't remember 29 cent plugs but $ 30. plugs
>caught me by surprise !
> What makes the NGK OEM better than the same NGK not OEM ?
>or better than Autolite 2 for $ 22. ?
>
>https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/autolite-iridium-spark-plug-2-pk-0183219p.0183220.html?loc=plp&rq=spark+plugs
>
>Personal preference / experience ?
> John T.

Helena Rubenstein**, a major cosmetics developer and manufacturer, said
that she continued for decades to use the first face cream she ever
designed, but she found that the more she charged for other face creams,
the more her customers bought it. So of course, the company kept coming
out with even more expensive creams.

I suspect it's the same thing here. They charge more because they sell
better at the higher price.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Rubinstein but the fact above is
not in the wikip article. It was iirc in a book I read in JHS. _Nine
who chose America_ Googling that gives all kinds of extraneious hits
many that are not word for word, but fails to find in the first 20 or
more hits the Amazon webpage where they have for sale a used copy of the
book, from 1959, a year or so before I read it.
https://www.amazon.com/Nine-Chose-America-Editors-Life/dp/B000JDY3Q0/ref=sr_1_1

On 3/12/2024 10:13 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:29:23 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:03:31 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 16:21:47 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 22:10:21 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 20:56:44 -0500, Fishrrman <Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/7/24 5:10 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> My 8 year old Kia 170 k km 4 cyl. gas auto
>>>>>>> has started to behave very sluggish
>>>>>>> on acceleration and hills.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just wondering...
>>>>>> How long since you changed the spark plugs?
>>>>>> And... the engine air filter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Spark plugs are original ; numerous air filters.
>>>>> John T.
>>>> When you replace the plugs use either NGK or Nippondenso - or AC Delco
>>>> in a pinch. NOT E3 or Bosch Dual Platinum or other "gimick" plugs.
>>>> With Coil On Plug dual platinum is not required - they ARE highly
>>>> recommended for waste spark ignition systems (just not BOSCH). Waste
>>>> spark systems (double ended coils) fire plugs both polarities so
>>>> erode both electrodes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess I haven't bought spark plugs in a long time -
>>>
>>> Kia dealer $ 27.54 each ! < NGK OEM >
>>> Canadian Tire NGK OEM $ 20. NGK <same but non OEM $ 13. >
>>> John T.
>>
>> You remember Champion J8 plugs for 29 cents too, do you???
>>
>
> I don't remember 29 cent plugs but $ 30. plugs
> caught me by surprise !
> What makes the NGK OEM better than the same NGK not OEM ?
> or better than Autolite 2 for $ 22. ?
>
> https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/autolite-iridium-spark-plug-2-pk-0183219p.0183220.html?loc=plp&rq=spark+plugs
>
> Personal preference / experience ?
> John T.

There is a huge difference. When you buy the OEM plugs the service
manager gets a better bonus.

>
>Helena Rubenstein**, a major cosmetics developer and manufacturer, said
>that she continued for decades to use the first face cream she ever
>designed, but she found that the more she charged for other face creams,
>the more her customers bought it.
>

Shania Twain once said she used this veterinary balm on her skin.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-care/skin-and-hand-care/10255-bag-balm?item=AB705

John T.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:20:23 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:13:18 -0400,
>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:29:23 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:03:31 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 16:21:47 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 22:10:21 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 20:56:44 -0500, Fishrrman <Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 3/7/24 5:10 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> My 8 year old Kia 170 k km 4 cyl. gas auto
>>>>>>>> has started to behave very sluggish
>>>>>>>> on acceleration and hills.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just wondering...
>>>>>>>How long since you changed the spark plugs?
>>>>>>>And... the engine air filter?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Spark plugs are original ; numerous air filters.
>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>When you replace the plugs use either NGK or Nippondenso - or AC Delco
>>>>>in a pinch. NOT E3 or Bosch Dual Platinum or other "gimick" plugs.
>>>>>With Coil On Plug dual platinum is not required - they ARE highly
>>>>>recommended for waste spark ignition systems (just not BOSCH). Waste
>>>>>spark systems (double ended coils) fire plugs both polarities so
>>>>>erode both electrodes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess I haven't bought spark plugs in a long time -
>>>>
>>>>Kia dealer $ 27.54 each ! < NGK OEM >
>>>>Canadian Tire NGK OEM $ 20. NGK <same but non OEM $ 13. >
>>>> John T.
>>>
>>>You remember Champion J8 plugs for 29 cents too, do you???
>>>
>>
>>I don't remember 29 cent plugs but $ 30. plugs
>>caught me by surprise !
>> What makes the NGK OEM better than the same NGK not OEM ?
>>or better than Autolite 2 for $ 22. ?
>>
>>https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/autolite-iridium-spark-plug-2-pk-0183219p.0183220.html?loc=plp&rq=spark+plugs
>>
>>Personal preference / experience ?
>> John T.
>
>Helena Rubenstein**, a major cosmetics developer and manufacturer, said
>that she continued for decades to use the first face cream she ever
>designed, but she found that the more she charged for other face creams,
>the more her customers bought it. So of course, the company kept coming
>out with even more expensive creams.
>
>I suspect it's the same thing here. They charge more because they sell
>better at the higher price.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Rubinstein but the fact above is
>not in the wikip article.

Actually, it is. I should have read the whole article before posting.
It says "They [Rubenstein and Elizabeth Arden] were both keenly aware of
effective marketing and luxurious packaging, the attraction of
beauticians in neat uniforms, the value of celebrity endorsements, the
perceived value of overpricing and the promotion of the pseudoscience of
skincare."

Which points to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-based_pricing though
I couldn't find anything here about overpricing.

This might be better, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pricing_strategies
One interesting part: "Decoy pricing
Method of pricing where the seller offers at least three products, and
where two of them have a similar or equal price. The two products with
the similar prices should be the most expensive ones, and one of the two
should be less attractive than the other. This strategy will make people
compare the options with similar prices; as a result, sales of the more
attractive high-priced item will increase. "

And check out the opposite, Premium decoy pricing,

Odd-Even pricing has an example that reminds me of my mother, "A good
example of this can be noticed in most supermarkets where instead of
pricing milk at £5, it would be written as £4.99. " Not at the store
but when home and reading advertisements, she would see something sold
at say $3.99, roughly $4, but later could not remember if it was 3.99 or
4.xx, that is, 4.99. So instead of her liking it because it's not even
$4, her memory was that it was almost $5, a high price, so it had the
opposite effect on her from what was intended.

> It was iirc in a book I read in JHS. _Nine
>who chose America_ Googling that gives all kinds of extraneious hits
>many that are not word for word, but fails to find in the first 20 or
>more hits the Amazon webpage where they have for sale a used copy of the
>book, from 1959, a year or so before I read it.

Glad to see I remembered accurately something I read at age 13.

>https://www.amazon.com/Nine-Chose-America-Editors-Life/dp/B000JDY3Q0/ref=sr_1_1

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:32:32 -0400,
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>
>>
>>Helena Rubenstein**, a major cosmetics developer and manufacturer, said
>>that she continued for decades to use the first face cream she ever
>>designed, but she found that the more she charged for other face creams,
>>the more her customers bought it.
>>
>
>
>Shania Twain once said she used this veterinary balm on her skin.
>
>https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-care/skin-and-hand-care/10255-bag-balm?item=AB705
>
> John T.

Only $18.50.

Called Bag Balm and not for the bags under one's eyes.

I wonder why you can't ship it to Alberta.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:48:14 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>
>
>>https://www.amazon.com/Nine-Chose-America-Editors-Life/dp/B000JDY3Q0/ref=sr_1_1

BTW, this book was about 9 immigrants to America, who contributed
greatly to our country, most of whom came when there were no limits and
the only ones sent back were only 1% of those who came, those who had TB
or maybe some other serious contagious illness.

They included her; Sikorsky who made the first practical helicopter, and
I can't remember the other 7.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
>In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:32:32 -0400,
>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>Helena Rubenstein**, a major cosmetics developer and manufacturer, said
>>>that she continued for decades to use the first face cream she ever
>>>designed, but she found that the more she charged for other face creams,
>>>the more her customers bought it.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Shania Twain once said she used this veterinary balm on her skin.
>>
>>https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-care/skin-and-hand-care/10255-bag-balm?item=AB705
>>
>> John T.
>
>Only $18.50.
>
>Called Bag Balm and not for the bags under one's eyes.

My Costco carries Bag Balm in the pharmacy for a penny less.

https://www.costco.com/bag-balm-vermont's-original-moisturizing-ointment-2-8-oz-%2526-1-1-oz-tins.product.4000216554.html

(The "bag" in the name refers to a portion of the bovine anatomy.)

On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:52:38 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:32:32 -0400,
>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>Helena Rubenstein**, a major cosmetics developer and manufacturer, said
>>>that she continued for decades to use the first face cream she ever
>>>designed, but she found that the more she charged for other face creams,
>>>the more her customers bought it.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Shania Twain once said she used this veterinary balm on her skin.
>>
>>https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-care/skin-and-hand-care/10255-bag-balm?item=AB705
>>
>> John T.
>
>Only $18.50.
>Called Bag Balm and not for the bags under one's eyes.
>I wonder why you can't ship it to Alberta.
>

It's considered veterinary medicine there.
John T.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:23:26 -0400, Frank wrote:

> Years ago I drove a rental with the check engine light on for over a
> thousand miles. That also tells us to never buy a used car from a
> rental agency.

Good advice. In my younger days I drove rentals like they were stolen.
What fun is there in renting a Javelin and driving like grandma?

On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:00:30 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:

> Now my pet peve about the lights is the tire pressure warning because
> the batteries in the sensors only last so long.

In the winter I switch to studded tires mounted on rims that never had
sensors. I sometimes notice the blinking icon but when it goes to steady I
filter it out.

It used to think the charge for new valve stems when you bought new tires
was a scam. Now it's and additional charge to 'rebuild' the sensors.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:32:32 -0400, hubops wrote:

> Shania Twain once said she used this veterinary balm on her skin.
>
> https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-care/skin-and-hand-
care/10255-bag-balm?item=AB705

I've used Bag Balm for years. It hasn't done anything for my beauty but
it's great for the dry skin on my elbows in the winter.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 12:28:54 -0400, hubops wrote:

> It's considered veterinary medicine there.

Nothing wrong with vet meds. I was treating a lame horse by rubbing down
his leg with Absorbine, which comes in a gallon jug. When I got through
with him I'd rub down my own leg. I don't know if it is exactly the same
as Absorbine Jr. but it's a lot cheaper.

On 12 Mar 2024 18:35:32 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> In the winter I switch

INTERESTING!

<FLUSH senile crap>

--
Yet another thrilling account from the resident senile superhero's senile
life:
"I went to a Driveby Truckers concert at a local venue and they made me
leave my knife in the car. Never went back. Come to think of it the Truckers
had a Black Lives Matter banner. Never bought any of their music again
either."
MID: <k84ip9Fesb1U1@mid.individual.net>

On 12 Mar 2024 18:32:01 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Good advice. In my younger days I

Oh, no! It's starting again...

<FLUSH the inevitable senile crap unread>

--
More of the resident senile bigmouth's idiotic "cool" blather:
"For reasons I can't recall I painted a spare bedroom in purple. It may
have had something to do with copious quantities of cheap Scotch."
MID: <k89lchF8b4pU1@mid.individual.net>

On 12 Mar 2024 18:43:33 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> Nothing wrong with vet meds. I was treating a lame horse

Oh, FUCK! There's no end to the self-admiring senile braggart's senile crap>

<FLUSH rest of usual crap unread>

--
More of the resident bigmouth's usual idiotic babble and gossip:
I'm not saying my father and uncle wouldn't have drank Genesee beer
without Miss Genny but it certainly didn't hurt. Stanton's was the
hometown brewery but it closed in '50. There was a Schaefer brewery in
Albany but their product was considered a step up from cat piss.

My preference was Rheingold on tap"

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On 12 Mar 2024 18:39:01 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> I've used Bag Balm for years.

FASCINTATING! I bet you did, and that's just because you are such a great
guy! No doubt! <VBG>

--
And yet another "cool" line from the resident bigmouthed all-American
superhero:
"I was working on the roof when the cat came up the ladder to see what I
was doing. Cats do not do well going down aluminum ladders."
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:13:18 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:29:23 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:03:31 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 16:21:47 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 22:10:21 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 20:56:44 -0500, Fishrrman <Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 3/7/24 5:10 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> My 8 year old Kia 170 k km 4 cyl. gas auto
>>>>>>> has started to behave very sluggish
>>>>>>> on acceleration and hills.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just wondering...
>>>>>>How long since you changed the spark plugs?
>>>>>>And... the engine air filter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Spark plugs are original ; numerous air filters.
>>>>> John T.
>>>>When you replace the plugs use either NGK or Nippondenso - or AC Delco
>>>>in a pinch. NOT E3 or Bosch Dual Platinum or other "gimick" plugs.
>>>>With Coil On Plug dual platinum is not required - they ARE highly
>>>>recommended for waste spark ignition systems (just not BOSCH). Waste
>>>>spark systems (double ended coils) fire plugs both polarities so
>>>>erode both electrodes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess I haven't bought spark plugs in a long time -
>>>
>>>Kia dealer $ 27.54 each ! < NGK OEM >
>>>Canadian Tire NGK OEM $ 20. NGK <same but non OEM $ 13. >
>>> John T.
>>
>>You remember Champion J8 plugs for 29 cents too, do you???
>>
>
>I don't remember 29 cent plugs but $ 30. plugs
>caught me by surprise !
> What makes the NGK OEM better than the same NGK not OEM ?
>or better than Autolite 2 for $ 22. ?
>
>https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/autolite-iridium-spark-plug-2-pk-0183219p.0183220.html?loc=plp&rq=spark+plugs
>
>Personal preference / experience ?
> John T.
The autolites look good. I think OEM is NGK Lazer platinum and the
non OEM is G-Power Platinum. What is the actual difference??? Not a
clue, other than price.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:52:38 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:32:32 -0400,
>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>Helena Rubenstein**, a major cosmetics developer and manufacturer, said
>>>that she continued for decades to use the first face cream she ever
>>>designed, but she found that the more she charged for other face creams,
>>>the more her customers bought it.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Shania Twain once said she used this veterinary balm on her skin.
>>
>>https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-care/skin-and-hand-care/10255-bag-balm?item=AB705
>>
>> John T.
>
>Only $18.50.
>
>Called Bag Balm and not for the bags under one's eyes.
>
>I wonder why you can't ship it to Alberta.
You can buy it from any Home Hardware store in Alberta

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 22:07:15 -0500, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...

>
> On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:12:32 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:58:46 -0500, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On 3/7/2024 5:10 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>> My 8 year old Kia 170 k km 4 cyl. gas auto
> >>> has started to behave very sluggish
> >>> on acceleration and hills. No check engine light ;
> >>> no mis-fire ; no smoke ; noleaks ; starts & idles fine ;
> >>> Fuel economy is suffering as would be expected.
> >>> Under light-footed driving it seems almost normal.
> >>> Any ideas ?
> >>> I keep thinking it could be clogged cat. converter
> >>> but I've never had that before.
> >>> John T.
> >>
> >>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/U8c2JEisxCg
> >>
> >>Scotty may have another video on cleaning.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks, I'd never heard of them making noise.
> > John T.
> TAke anything Scotty K has to say with a grain of salt and an
> alka-seltzer. What an opinionated know-nothing asshat.

Agreed, if it's a Toyota it's NEVER going to fail. Any other make is just a
disaster to happen. Let's be reasonable; anything made by man can/will break.

--
Hiram

On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:24:49 -0400, Ed P posted for all of us to digest...

>
> On 3/12/2024 10:13 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:29:23 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:03:31 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 16:21:47 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 22:10:21 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 20:56:44 -0500, Fishrrman <Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3/7/24 5:10 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> My 8 year old Kia 170 k km 4 cyl. gas auto
> >>>>>>> has started to behave very sluggish
> >>>>>>> on acceleration and hills.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just wondering...
> >>>>>> How long since you changed the spark plugs?
> >>>>>> And... the engine air filter?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Spark plugs are original ; numerous air filters.
> >>>>> John T.
> >>>> When you replace the plugs use either NGK or Nippondenso - or AC Delco
> >>>> in a pinch. NOT E3 or Bosch Dual Platinum or other "gimick" plugs.
> >>>> With Coil On Plug dual platinum is not required - they ARE highly
> >>>> recommended for waste spark ignition systems (just not BOSCH). Waste
> >>>> spark systems (double ended coils) fire plugs both polarities so
> >>>> erode both electrodes.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I guess I haven't bought spark plugs in a long time -
> >>>
> >>> Kia dealer $ 27.54 each ! < NGK OEM >
> >>> Canadian Tire NGK OEM $ 20. NGK <same but non OEM $ 13. >
> >>> John T.
> >>
> >> You remember Champion J8 plugs for 29 cents too, do you???
> >>
> >
> > I don't remember 29 cent plugs but $ 30. plugs
> > caught me by surprise !
> > What makes the NGK OEM better than the same NGK not OEM ?
> > or better than Autolite 2 for $ 22. ?
> >
> > https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/autolite-iridium-spark-plug-2-pk-0183219p.0183220.html?loc=plp&rq=spark+plugs
> >
> > Personal preference / experience ?
> > John T.
>
> There is a huge difference. When you buy the OEM plugs the service
> manager gets a better bonus.

Funny; but I think it's nomenclature as to what the manufacturer installed.

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Hiram