On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:24 AM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> Rusty Wyse <yale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 8:24:17 AM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> >> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:37:39 PM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> >> >> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> >> >> > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 2:44:02 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 2:32:53 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> >> >> >> > ltlee1 <ltl... wrote:
> >> >> >> > > "The abandonment of Afghanistan, a democratic state, to its fate under
> >> >> >> > > the rule of a terrorist organization reveals some hard truths about
> >> >> >> > > Biden’s stated democracy and human rights agenda. Afghanistan is the
> >> >> >> > > latest and most troubling sign there is a lot more bark to Biden’s
> >> >> >> > > democratic bite.
> >> >> >> > > […]
> >> >> >> > > https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/08/17/afghanistan-withdrawal-biden-democracy-agenda-human-rights-evacuation/
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What is worth democracy without the people ready *and willing* to
> >> >> >> > defender it? "Little" in the world as it is.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > IMHO from this newsgroup perspective it boils down to: US created
> >> >> >> > a *shitty* democracy/"democracy" in Afghanistan, something Afghans
> >> >> >> > themselves have not been eager to *really* defend.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Wisdom from the most democratic (non tiny) country in the world IMHO:
> >> >> >> > "There isn’t any army in Switzerland; Switzerland is an army itself”.
> >> >> >> > Mao paraphrased: Political power grows out of the barrel of a military
> >> >> >> > gun *kept at home*.
> >> >> >> It is obvious that the ForeignPolicy.com writer Elise Labott believes Biden and his
> >> >> >> democracy agenda on US foreign policy until Biden gave up on Afghanistan. Do
> >> >> >> you have information on Biden showing he was not sincere concerning his
> >> >> >> democracy agenda.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Concerning Afghans not will to defend the current government, is willingness to defend
> >> >> >> under all circumstances an inalienable part of democracy in the West? More important,
> >> >> >> who is to decide which democracy is shitty? Ane which democracy is at present perfect
> >> >> >> in every way.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Let's talk truth. No one commenting here would want the Taliban
> >> >> > running their show. They would be scared shitless.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Gee whiz, LT. You continue to defend things in places you would never live.
> >> >> So what? Who commenting here is ready to fight Taliban *himself* ?
> >> >
> >> > That has nothing to do with the fact that they are obviously horrible.
> >> Nice people hardly ever win with overwhelming military superiority.
> >
> > Yes, they do win!!! Overwhelming military superiority will ALWAYS
> > win in all cases with planning and proper execution.
> > […]
>
> Are you ready for "kill everything that moves" escalation?

This is NOT "planning and proper execution"!!! The U.S. strategy has always been "kill everything that moves" since the Civil War, especially against the Native American Indians.

> [ *Mass* civilian casualties ] Is Afghanistan important enough for US
> to get image "We are FIRST SUPER SOBs"? IMHO *NO*.

Yes, we are, since the Civil War days...

>
> Afghan war have not been "survive or die" war for US.

Yes we are, in the Vietnam War, in the Afghanistan War,... We gave up instead of "die"!!!

> It usually
> introduces military limitations.

World opinion limited our use of nuke!! Otherwise, we would have used them on China, Vietnam, Afghanistan,... And on Cuba, Venezuela,...

> Remember *multiplayer* worldwide big
> game.

Yes, otherwise, we would have used them on China, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Afghanistan,...

> Or if you prefer economic/business approach: Afghan war was not
> important enough for US to win at any cost.

And that is the most important point of all to "nuke" Afghanistan!!! since Afghanistan has been known as "graveyard of empires"

>
> You do not win "battles" to loose "the war".

Yes, you win battle to show the world how big, strong and powerful you are!!! especially to European allies...

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> | (Bosquet [on seeing the IBM 4341])

What is the IBM 4341???? and I used to work for IBM!!!

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 7:28:13 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 10:51:35 AM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> > bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 10:33:03 AM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> > >> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> > >> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:58:28 AM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> > >> >> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> > >> >> […]
> > >> >> > You at least agree that they *are* horrible. That's obviously a separate issue from who is willing to fight against them.
> > >> >> > ---------
> > >> >> > Najia was at home with her three young sons and daughter in a small
> > >> >> > village in northern Afghanistan when Taliban fighters knocked on their door.
> > >> >> […]
> > >> >> > "Taliban don't let any women out without a male relative. Men are the
> > >> >> > only ones allowed out. They can go to work," she said.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "If I need something, how I am I supposed to get it? It's a punishment.
> > >> >> > It's not Islam. They call themselves Muslim. It's not right for them to
> > >> >> > punish women."
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/asia/afghanistan-women-taliban-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
> > >> >> 1. It looks like cheap war propaganda before Iraq invasion.
> > >> >> It also looks like US post defeat in "20 years war" propaganda.
> > >> >> [ The best propaganda is based on almost truth IMHO ]
> > >> >> 2. Compare woman treatment to Saudi Kingdom standards or get lost..
> > >> >> Without willingness for such comparison it is a double standards
> > >> >> bullshit for me.
> > >> >
> > >> > OK. Saudi Arabia is pretty bad to women, but the Taliban are much
> > >> > worse. How's that?
> > >> <cynicism> List the differences explicitly or get lost. Let people see
> > >> how much is western acceptable by standards for Saudi Kingdom. </cynicism>
> > >
> > > You're resorting to whataboutism. The fact remains that the Taliban
> > > are horrible. You're free to believe that the Saudis are as bad, but
> > > you don't seem to want to admit the obvious horribleness of the
> > > Taliban.
> > Doing really "something" about Taliban "may be" risky+.
> > So it is crucial to estimate how much worse they are,
> > evaluate how far are you willing to go. After 20 years of
> > "The Afghan Adventure" US+ should learn value of setting (soft) limits.
> >
> > I see the following as a *base* plan for dealing with Taliban:
> > + evacuate huge number of more educated Afghans (from Kabul)
> > to create shortcomings pretty soon
> > + after a few weeks of semi-public consultation introduce plan schedule
> > for increasing sanction/restrictions lifted after elections
> > (with results acknowledged by some international body, not US itself)
> Yes, will need to see what this evolves into... the Taliban say they will be different this time. No evidence of that yet.

Does it matter???
They are controlling Afghanistan. They can do whatever they want!!!!

When Hong Kong people ruled by British, they accepted it.

And when Hong Kong people ruled by China, they cannot accept it,

British ruled Hong Kong people with iron fist and harshly introduced caning
on them, too.

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On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 2:56:50 PM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> Rusty Wyse <yale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:32:53 AM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> >> ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > "The abandonment of Afghanistan, a democratic state, to its fate
> >> > under
> >> > the rule of a terrorist organization reveals some hard truths about
> >> > Biden’s stated democracy and human rights agenda. Afghanistan is the
> >> > latest and most troubling sign there is a lot more bark to Biden’s
> >> > democratic bite.
> >> > […]
> >> > https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/08/17/afghanistan-withdrawal-biden-democracy-agenda-human-rights-evacuation/
> >>
> >> What is worth democracy without the people ready *and willing* to
> >> defender it? "Little" in the world as it is.
> >>
> >> IMHO from this newsgroup perspective it boils down to: US created
> >> a *shitty* democracy/"democracy" in Afghanistan, something Afghans
> >> themselves have not been eager to *really* defend.
> >>
> >> Wisdom from the most democratic (non tiny) country in the world IMHO:
> >> "There isn’t any army in Switzerland; Switzerland is an army itself”.
> >> Mao paraphrased: Political power grows out of the barrel of a military
> >> gun *kept at home*.
> >
> > What is "democracy" to the Muslim people? If they understand what
> > "democracy" is, they wouldn't be Muslims!!! Muslim belief and
> > democracy are mutually exclusive.
> US and support for democracy "in Egypt" are really exclusive.
> *Real* democracy may produce results disliked by US. Despots are
> much simpler to maintain.
>
> Shift from Monarchies to republics happened in Europe a mere century ago
> (after World War One). I do believe that a few decades can change a lot.
>
> Democracy ruled in HK *Colony*, British democracy.

What you really meant is:

British ruled HK "colony" with British Iron-fist!!!
The Hong Kong people were just ant-workers...

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> | If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door.
> | (Paul Beatty)

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 9:40:02 AM UTC-7, cicero wrote:
> When Hong Kong people ruled by British, they accepted it.
>
> And when Hong Kong people ruled by China, they cannot accept it,

CIA/NED instigated rejection!!!

>
> British ruled Hong Kong people with iron fist and harshly introduced caning
> on them, too.
>
>
>
>
> "Rusty Wyse" wrote in message
> news:0d0858a3-8483-4cac...@googlegroups.com...
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 2:56:50 PM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> > Rusty Wyse <yale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:32:53 AM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> > >> ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > "The abandonment of Afghanistan, a democratic state, to its fate
> > >> > under
> > >> > the rule of a terrorist organization reveals some hard truths about
> > >> > Biden’s stated democracy and human rights agenda. Afghanistan is the
> > >> > latest and most troubling sign there is a lot more bark to Biden’s
> > >> > democratic bite.
> > >> > […]
> > >> > https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/08/17/afghanistan-withdrawal-biden-democracy-agenda-human-rights-evacuation/
> > >>
> > >> What is worth democracy without the people ready *and willing* to
> > >> defender it? "Little" in the world as it is.
> > >>
> > >> IMHO from this newsgroup perspective it boils down to: US created
> > >> a *shitty* democracy/"democracy" in Afghanistan, something Afghans
> > >> themselves have not been eager to *really* defend.
> > >>
> > >> Wisdom from the most democratic (non tiny) country in the world IMHO:
> > >> "There isn’t any army in Switzerland; Switzerland is an army itself”.
> > >> Mao paraphrased: Political power grows out of the barrel of a military
> > >> gun *kept at home*.
> > >
> > > What is "democracy" to the Muslim people? If they understand what
> > > "democracy" is, they wouldn't be Muslims!!! Muslim belief and
> > > democracy are mutually exclusive.
> > US and support for democracy "in Egypt" are really exclusive.
> > *Real* democracy may produce results disliked by US. Despots are
> > much simpler to maintain.
> >
> > Shift from Monarchies to republics happened in Europe a mere century ago
> > (after World War One). I do believe that a few decades can change a lot..
> >
> > Democracy ruled in HK *Colony*, British democracy.
>
> What you really meant is:
>
> British ruled HK "colony" with British Iron-fist!!!
> The Hong Kong people were just ant-workers...
>
> > --
> > A. Filip : Big Tech Brother is watching you.
> > | If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door.
> > | (Paul Beatty)