On 22 Apr 2024, Sn!pe wrote

> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>
>> On 21/04/2024 14:48, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 21/04/24 21:31, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>> Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 21/04/24 06:41, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/20/24 13:54, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am I right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. Here and in Europe both, if you kill a public figure
>>>>>> you've done an "Iran-backed" act.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Russia, assassassins are automatically given Ukranian
>>>>> citizenship.
>>>>
>>>> Similarly to 'bananana', how does one stop spelling
>>>> 'assassassins'?
>>>
>>> I'll admit that my shopping list sometimes includes "banananas".
>>> (And also "Qcumber".) My "assassassins" was a typo, of course,
>>> along the same lines as Missississippi.
>>>
>>
>> Funny, I thought 'banananas' was a hybrid fruit - a cross between
>> a banana and an ananas (FR for pineapple). GM is getting up to
>> all sort of tricks these days.
>>
>
> "How do you stop spelling bananana?" is a humorous quote from one
> of Terry Pratchett's Discworld characters, probably the witch
> Nanny Ogg in his novel 'Witches Abroad'.

I heard that as a quote from a little girl, who says "I know how to
spell "banana" - I just don't know when to stop".

Is that from Discworld?

--
Cheers, Harvey

HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:

[...]

> > "How do you stop spelling bananana?" is a humorous quote from
> > one of Terry Pratchett's Discworld characters, probably the witch
> > Nanny Ogg in his novel 'Witches Abroad'.
>
> I heard that as a quote from a little girl, who says "I know how to
> spell "banana" - I just don't know when to stop".
>
> Is that from Discworld?

I think pTerry* (as he was fondly known) was not too fussy about
where he got his ideas; I rather doubt that it was original to him.

* the 'p' is silent as in bath.

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

On 2024-04-22 18:27:46 +0000, Sn!pe said:

> HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> "How do you stop spelling bananana?" is a humorous quote from
>>> one of Terry Pratchett's Discworld characters, probably the witch
>>> Nanny Ogg in his novel 'Witches Abroad'.
>>
>> I heard that as a quote from a little girl, who says "I know how to
>> spell "banana" - I just don't know when to stop".
>>
>> Is that from Discworld?
>
> I think pTerry* (as he was fondly known) was not too fussy about
> where he got his ideas; I rather doubt that it was original to him.
>
> * the 'p' is silent as in bath.

Many years ago the Manchester University students' magazine had a
cartoon of a man with glasses standing up to his waist in water. It was
entitled "Psychologist has a silent p".
--
Athel cb

Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 21:28:25 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
> wrote:
>
> [hiring hitmen]
> >
> >Yabbut I think in that case the hitman is charged with murder but you
> >are charged with a different offence.
> >
>
> Maybe thirty years ago, I used to read about arrests
> made for attempting to hire a hit. They would come up
> every year or so. Every one was caught when the
> person being hired turned out to be an undercover cop.
> (That does not speak to the ones who were not caught.)

Strictly forbidden, in these parts.
(and should be forbidden everywhere)

An undercver cop like that is an 'agent provocateur'.
Stalin's KGB used lots of them,

Jan

On 2024-04-22, Rich Ulrich wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 21:28:25 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
> wrote:
>
> [hiring hitmen]
>>
>>Yabbut I think in that case the hitman is charged with murder but you
>>are charged with a different offence.
>>
>
> Maybe thirty years ago, I used to read about arrests
> made for attempting to hire a hit. They would come up
> every year or so. Every one was caught when the
> person being hired turned out to be an undercover cop.
> (That does not speak to the ones who were not caught.)
>
> I don't know if that reflected western Pennsylvania,
> or the state or the US.
>
> Or my poor attention -- Google ngram shows a smooth,
> four-fold increase in 'hired to kill' from 1980 to now.
> However, the book-previews were largely historical,
> and often fictional, so it takes a closer look than that
> before I conclude that I am wrong.
>
> I tried Google - News - and specified a date range.
> 2000 to 2024 had many more hits (seemingly) than 1980
> to 2000 (10+ screens, vs. 5 more screens of results).
> One of those hits DID mention tons of agents being around,
> imitating hit men.
>
> Googling 'Do hitment exist' gets a lot of speculation.
>
> My favorite hitman movie is Mr. Right with Anna Kendrick
> and Sam Rockwell. He is a hitman of fantastic, mystical skills
> and reputation. Before the movie's action, he has decided
> to kill anyone who tries to hire him; because 'murder is bad'.
> The movie is a rom-com. With action.

I haven't seen it. I assume he requires payment in advance, otherwise
he wouldn't be able to make a living. But wouldn't word get around on
the streets quickly that he can't be trusted to do the job you pay
for?

--
So I'm packing my bags for the Misty Mountains

On 2024-04-22, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> In article <9g9gfkx376.ln2@news.ducksburg.com>,
> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>
>>Yabbut I think in that case the hitman is charged with murder but you
>>are charged with a different offence.
>
> In the US there are many crimes that someone could be charged with in
> that situation, including "felony murder" in some states. If you
> conspire with someone to kill a third party, the prosecution can try
> to make the case that the killing was a "joint enterprise" and both
> parties are equally responsible, regardless of who actually did the
> act. (It is often the case that the evidence does not allow the state
> to prove beyond a reasonably doubt which of the accused actually did
> it, and this construction allows both to be prosecuted.)

I understood "joint enterprise" to refer to cases like the last bit
you mention, such as a homicide carried out while two people are
cooperating to commit an armed robbery. IMO it's entirely fair that
everyone willingly embarking on a foreseeably violent crime should be
guilty of the murder.

> There are of course also conspiracy charges and I think in at least
> some states procuring murder is a distinct offense. All of these
> crimes overlap to some extent and which ones are actually presented
> to a jury will depend on what evidence the prosecution can bring to
> bear. The jury may well be instructed to make the determination
> among multiple possible offenses on the basis of the facts they
> find.

IANAL, but I'd expect hiring the hitman to be covered by one of those
"not quite murder but related" offenses. Of course it can vary by
jurisdiction.

--
Thinking about her this morning, lying in bed, and trying to get my
thoughts on the right track, I reached into the drawer of the bedstand,
and found the Gideons' Bible, and I was going for the Psalms, friend, honest
I was, but I found the Song of Solomon instead. ---Garrison Keillor

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:

>Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 21:28:25 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [hiring hitmen]
>> >
>> >Yabbut I think in that case the hitman is charged with murder but you
>> >are charged with a different offence.
>> >
>>
>> Maybe thirty years ago, I used to read about arrests
>> made for attempting to hire a hit. They would come up
>> every year or so. Every one was caught when the
>> person being hired turned out to be an undercover cop.
>> (That does not speak to the ones who were not caught.)
>
>Strictly forbidden, in these parts.
>(and should be forbidden everywhere)

We do have laws that forbid the solicitation of a crime. But
you can hang out somewhere and look like a lowlife.
That might have bad social side effects, but I did not see
any case where the cop was accused of creating the crime.

I've seen defense (not lately) when undercover agents were
accused of being too helpful, by the lawyers of domestic
terrorists who had trouble finding explosives.

>
>An undercver cop like that is an 'agent provocateur'.
>Stalin's KGB used lots of them,

--
Rich Ulrich

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 01:47:13 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
wrote:

>On 2024-04-22, Rich Ulrich wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 21:28:25 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [hiring hitmen]
>>>
>>>Yabbut I think in that case the hitman is charged with murder but you
>>>are charged with a different offence.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe thirty years ago, I used to read about arrests
>> made for attempting to hire a hit. They would come up
>> every year or so. Every one was caught when the
>> person being hired turned out to be an undercover cop.
>> (That does not speak to the ones who were not caught.)
>>
>> I don't know if that reflected western Pennsylvania,
>> or the state or the US.
>>
>> Or my poor attention -- Google ngram shows a smooth,
>> four-fold increase in 'hired to kill' from 1980 to now.
>> However, the book-previews were largely historical,
>> and often fictional, so it takes a closer look than that
>> before I conclude that I am wrong.
>>
>> I tried Google - News - and specified a date range.
>> 2000 to 2024 had many more hits (seemingly) than 1980
>> to 2000 (10+ screens, vs. 5 more screens of results).
>> One of those hits DID mention tons of agents being around,
>> imitating hit men.
>>
>> Googling 'Do hitment exist' gets a lot of speculation.
>>
>> My favorite hitman movie is Mr. Right with Anna Kendrick
>> and Sam Rockwell. He is a hitman of fantastic, mystical skills
>> and reputation. Before the movie's action, he has decided
>> to kill anyone who tries to hire him; because 'murder is bad'.
>> The movie is a rom-com. With action.
>
>I haven't seen it. I assume he requires payment in advance, otherwise
>he wouldn't be able to make a living. But wouldn't word get around on
>the streets quickly that he can't be trusted to do the job you pay
>for?

He did insist on payment -- That was proof they were serious about
the murder.

Well, he had a national reputation in certain circles; it hadn't been
all that long since he reformed; he had some brain damage noted;
this is a comedy; and the plot involves a junior gangster who HAS
heard about the reform and wants to get his bossy brother
assassinated by having his brother hire the dude.

On more thought, I realized that 'hit man' is a sub-genre that I
have enjoyed a lot of. IMDb lists for me 132 movies with that
keyword among movies I have rated. I went down the list and
saved names for ones that remembered most fondly -- and had
watched more than once (DVD and BluRay). Most of them have
good humor. For most of them, the 'hit man' role is not the main
concern of the movie.

For the record -
Leon: The Professional -- the most intriguing. Jean Reno with
young Natalie Portman.
Kill Bill -- most incidental deaths. Uma Thurman.
Mr. Right -- most fun.

Ordered, by decreasing overall IMDb rating, but not always.
The Accountant. In Bruges. Birds of Prey.
American Ultra. The Whole Nine Yards. Hanna.
The Mexican. Grosse Pointe Blank. La Femme Nikita (movie).
2 Days in the Valley. Enough. Nurse Betty.

Mr. & Mrs. Smith (2005, Pitt and Jolie) -- show up with 'hitman in
love with the target.'

--
Rich Ulrich

Adam Funk wrote:

> I haven't seen it. I assume he requires payment in advance, otherwise
> he wouldn't be able to make a living. But wouldn't word get around on
> the streets quickly that he can't be trusted to do the job you pay
> for?

Which living person would know that the job wasn't done?

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 21:28:25 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [hiring hitmen]
>> >
>> >Yabbut I think in that case the hitman is charged with murder but you
>> >are charged with a different offence.
>> >
>>
>> Maybe thirty years ago, I used to read about arrests
>> made for attempting to hire a hit. They would come up
>> every year or so. Every one was caught when the
>> person being hired turned out to be an undercover cop.
>> (That does not speak to the ones who were not caught.)

> Strictly forbidden, in these parts.
> (and should be forbidden everywhere)

> An undercver cop like that is an 'agent provocateur'.
> Stalin's KGB used lots of them,

Seems to me it depends on how much provoking they do. If an
undercover cop infiltrates the Mafia and is offered money to murder
someone, I don't see the problem with accepting that evidence.
If someone lets it be known that they want to hire a hit man and
an undercover cop applies for the job, that seems all right, maybe
a little less. If someone is complaining about someone else and
an undercover cop offers to solve the problem permanently for a
reasonable fee, though, that sounds like what American law calls
entrapment.

But I don't know how the FBI got away with Abscam, q.v.

--
Jerry Friedman

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 20:54:39 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<me@yahoo.com> wrote:

>This week I learned the difference in French between "meurtre" et
>"assassinat": "meurtre" is any old homicide; "assassinat" is
>premeditated murder, i.e. intentional murder. It seems to me in in
>English "murder" and "assassination" don't differ in the same way: if
>you kill your your next-door neighbour then that's a murder, but if you
>kill a well-known public figure, such the Prime Minister, then that's
>an assassination. In other words the difference related to the identity
>of the victim rather than to the intent to kill. Am I right? Is that
>how others see the difference between murder and assassination?

In MyE "murder" means the intentional killing of any human being, for
any reason.

"Assassination" is murder for a particular reason, relating to the
office a person holds. To be assassinated is to be killed in one's
official capacity rather than in one's personal capacity.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On 24/04/24 14:30, Steve Hayes wrote:

> "Assassination" is murder for a particular reason, relating to the
> office a person holds. To be assassinated is to be killed in one's
> official capacity rather than in one's personal capacity.

Nicely put.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

In article <ph2h2jhstdmu3hu76m21bjg0gjdunmaioh@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In MyE "murder" means the intentional killing of any human being, for
>any reason.
>
>"Assassination" is murder for a particular reason, relating to the
>office a person holds. To be assassinated is to be killed in one's
>official capacity rather than in one's personal capacity.

I'd make a similar distinction with "execution". An execution is
murder authorized by a state; by definition, non-state actors cannot
execute people.

-GAWollman

--
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wollman@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is
Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)

Steve Hayes wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 20:54:39 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> <me@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>This week I learned the difference in French between "meurtre" et
>>"assassinat": "meurtre" is any old homicide; "assassinat" is
>>premeditated murder, i.e. intentional murder. It seems to me in in
>>English "murder" and "assassination" don't differ in the same way: if
>>you kill your your next-door neighbour then that's a murder, but if you
>>kill a well-known public figure, such the Prime Minister, then that's
>>an assassination. In other words the difference related to the identity
>>of the victim rather than to the intent to kill. Am I right? Is that
>>how others see the difference between murder and assassination?

> In MyE "murder" means the intentional killing of any human being, for
> any reason.

Including capital punishment, war, and self-defense?

> "Assassination" is murder for a particular reason, relating to the
> office a person holds. To be assassinated is to be killed in one's
> official capacity rather than in one's personal capacity.

Well put, as Peter Moylan said, but is there an exception for military
personnel, police officers, etc., killed in the line of duty?

--
Jerry Friedman

Garrett Wollman wrote:

> I'd make a similar distinction with "execution". An execution is
> murder authorized by a state; by definition, non-state actors cannot
> execute people.

The Danish word for "execution" is "henrettelse". It was used in a case
where two robbers were busy robbing a bank when it was discovered by a
man in a car. He drove his car before the escape car to prevent the
robbers from escaping. One of them took out his gun and shot the man
through the wind shield.

Is that plain murder for you?

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

On 2024-04-24 15:52:01 +0000, Garrett Wollman said:

> In article <ph2h2jhstdmu3hu76m21bjg0gjdunmaioh@4ax.com>,
> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In MyE "murder" means the intentional killing of any human being, for
>> any reason.
>>
>> "Assassination" is murder for a particular reason, relating to the
>> office a person holds. To be assassinated is to be killed in one's
>> official capacity rather than in one's personal capacity.
>
> I'd make a similar distinction with "execution". An execution is
> murder authorized by a state; by definition, non-state actors cannot
> execute people.

Though they sometimes think they can, especially if the victim doesn't
adhere to the True Religion.
>
> -GAWollman

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

jerryfriedman wrote:

>> In MyE "murder" means the intentional killing of any human being, for
>> any reason.
>
> Including capital punishment, war, and self-defense?

Not to mention euthanasia?

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

Ross Clark wrote:

> On 21/04/2024 6:54 a.m., Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> This week I learned the difference in French between "meurtre" et
>> "assassinat": "meurtre" is any old homicide; "assassinat" is
>> premeditated murder, i.e. intentional murder. It seems to me in in
>> English "murder" and "assassination" don't differ in the same way: if
>> you kill your your next-door neighbour then that's a murder, but if you
>> kill a well-known public figure, such the Prime Minister, then that's an
>> assassination. In other words the difference related to the identity of
>> the victim rather than to the intent to kill. Am I right? Is that how
>> others see the difference between murder and assassination?
>>

> That's right for English.
> I didn't know the French distinction, and I'm not sure I understand it.
> "Unpremeditated"

= French "meurtre"

is not the same as "unintentional",

= French "homicide involontaire"

> is it?

> The latter
> would be what English calls "manslaughter". The former could apply to
> kiling someone in a sudden fit of rage, without having planned it in
> advance.

On 2024-04-23, jerryfriedman wrote:

> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
>> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 21:28:25 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> [hiring hitmen]
>>> >
>>> >Yabbut I think in that case the hitman is charged with murder but you
>>> >are charged with a different offence.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Maybe thirty years ago, I used to read about arrests
>>> made for attempting to hire a hit. They would come up
>>> every year or so. Every one was caught when the
>>> person being hired turned out to be an undercover cop.
>>> (That does not speak to the ones who were not caught.)
>
>> Strictly forbidden, in these parts.
>> (and should be forbidden everywhere)
>
>> An undercver cop like that is an 'agent provocateur'.
>> Stalin's KGB used lots of them,
>
> Seems to me it depends on how much provoking they do. If an
> undercover cop infiltrates the Mafia and is offered money to murder
> someone, I don't see the problem with accepting that evidence.
> If someone lets it be known that they want to hire a hit man and
> an undercover cop applies for the job, that seems all right, maybe
> a little less. If someone is complaining about someone else and
> an undercover cop offers to solve the problem permanently for a
> reasonable fee, though, that sounds like what American law calls
> entrapment.
>
> But I don't know how the FBI got away with Abscam, q.v.

I think it's probably OK to try things like that on people in
positions of power (legislators, judges, LEOs) because not only should
they be held to higher standards of behaviour than ordinary people but
they are also capable of doing a lot more harm if corrupt than
ordinary people are.

--
Specifications are for the weak & timid!
---Klingon Programmer's Guide

On 25/04/24 02:42, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-04-24 15:52:01 +0000, Garrett Wollman said:
>
>> In article <ph2h2jhstdmu3hu76m21bjg0gjdunmaioh@4ax.com>, Steve
>> Hayes <hayesstw@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In MyE "murder" means the intentional killing of any human being,
>>> for any reason.
>>>
>>> "Assassination" is murder for a particular reason, relating to
>>> the office a person holds. To be assassinated is to be killed in
>>> one's official capacity rather than in one's personal capacity.
>>
>> I'd make a similar distinction with "execution". An execution is
>> murder authorized by a state; by definition, non-state actors
>> cannot execute people.
>
> Though they sometimes think they can, especially if the victim
> doesn't adhere to the True Religion.

Sometimes it's not about religion. Now and then I hear of a murder being
described as a "gangland execution".

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

> On 2024-04-22 18:27:46 +0000, Sn!pe said:

>> HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> "How do you stop spelling bananana?" is a humorous quote from
>>>> one of Terry Pratchett's Discworld characters, probably the witch
>>>> Nanny Ogg in his novel 'Witches Abroad'.
>>>
>>> I heard that as a quote from a little girl, who says "I know how to
>>> spell "banana" - I just don't know when to stop".
>>>
>>> Is that from Discworld?
>>
>> I think pTerry* (as he was fondly known) was not too fussy about
>> where he got his ideas; I rather doubt that it was original to him.
>>
>> * the 'p' is silent as in bath.

> Many years ago the Manchester University students' magazine had a
> cartoon of a man with glasses standing up to his waist in water. It was
> entitled "Psychologist has a silent p".

Pennino's law: Saaller the penis, greater the pee.

bt

Steve Hayes:
>> "Assassination" is murder for a particular reason, relating to the
>> office a person holds. To be assassinated is to be killed in one's
>> official capacity rather than in one's personal capacity.
Garrett Wollman:
> I'd make a similar distinction with "execution". An execution is
> murder authorized by a state; by definition, non-state actors cannot
> execute people.

No, you're attempting to make a political point. Murder involves
*unlawful* and intentional killing. So by definition, an action
"authorized by a state" cannot be murder.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | Keep out of eyes--if this occurs, rinse with water.
msb@vex.net | (Directions seen on shampoo bottle)

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 15:52:01 -0000 (UTC),
wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote:

>In article <ph2h2jhstdmu3hu76m21bjg0gjdunmaioh@4ax.com>,
>Steve Hayes <hayesstw@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>In MyE "murder" means the intentional killing of any human being, for
>>any reason.
>>
>>"Assassination" is murder for a particular reason, relating to the
>>office a person holds. To be assassinated is to be killed in one's
>>official capacity rather than in one's personal capacity.
>
>I'd make a similar distinction with "execution". An execution is
>murder authorized by a state; by definition, non-state actors cannot
>execute people.

Indeed.

Imprisonment (or should one call it inmateisation nowadays?) can also
be an execution, if it is done in execution of a court sentence.

Wills are also executed.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 18:09:08 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
<gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

>Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
>> I'd make a similar distinction with "execution". An execution is
>> murder authorized by a state; by definition, non-state actors cannot
>> execute people.
>
>The Danish word for "execution" is "henrettelse". It was used in a case
>where two robbers were busy robbing a bank when it was discovered by a
>man in a car. He drove his car before the escape car to prevent the
>robbers from escaping. One of them took out his gun and shot the man
>through the wind shield.
>
>Is that plain murder for you?

It is for me.

But interestingly enough the Afrikaans word for "execution" (in the
sense of carrying out a death sentence on a convicted criminal) is
"teregstelling", which means "rectification" -- righting a wrong, as
it were.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On 25/04/2024 09:32, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 15:52:01 -0000 (UTC),
> wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>
>> In article <ph2h2jhstdmu3hu76m21bjg0gjdunmaioh@4ax.com>,
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In MyE "murder" means the intentional killing of any human being, for
>>> any reason.
>>>
>>> "Assassination" is murder for a particular reason, relating to the
>>> office a person holds. To be assassinated is to be killed in one's
>>> official capacity rather than in one's personal capacity.
>>
>> I'd make a similar distinction with "execution". An execution is
>> murder authorized by a state; by definition, non-state actors cannot
>> execute people.
>
> Indeed.
>
> Imprisonment (or should one call it inmateisation nowadays?) can also
> be an execution, if it is done in execution of a court sentence.
>
> Wills are also executed.
>
>

And characters are assassinated.