On 2022-12-24 10:17, TonyCooper wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 10:33:58 -0500, TonyCooper
> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 09:14:03 -0500, CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> and possibly also on "hacker-hackie".
>>>
>>>> (PTD)(I don't know what that is.)
>>>
>>> Alright, "hackor - hackee". I'm tolerably sure "hackie" is understood
>>> as "cabbie" in the NYC umland.
>>>
>>
>> I dasn't speak for NYC umlanders, but it *should* be understood by
>> those of a certain age or older.
>>
>> At one time in the US, a taxicab was called a "hack" and a taxicab
>> driver was called a "hackie". The terms are used with those meanings
>> in many books, and were heard in the dialog of many old movies. We,
>> of course, know it came from "hackney".
>>
>> Today, though, a "hack" is more commonly used to describe a different
>> way of doing something. Here's an article about NYC hacks:
>>
>> https://theculturetrip.com/usa/new-york/articles/new-york-city-hacks-even-locals-dont-know/
>>
>> Nothing to do with taxicabs or taxicab drivers or computers.
>>
>> A "hacker", though, is a person who does something to create, modify,
>> or penetrate a system...usually for nefarious purpose and now by using
>> a computer.
>>
>> That use first came to my attention in the early 1960s when phone
>> hackers were finding ways to make free long distance phone calls.
>
> I checked to see if this last comment was accurate and see that they
> were called "phreakers". That may have been what they were also
> called, but I was in a bar with some people in Chicago in the early
> 1960s who were doing this, and they referred to themselves as "phone
> hackers". That may have been just a Chicago thing, or it may have
> been just a thing for that group of people.
>
> For "phreakers" see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phreaking

In the mid to late 80s, I used to hang around Compuserve's Amiga forum.
One of the sysops (a term used to describe something like a moderator on
a forum), was John Draper, AKA "Cap'n Crunch". He had previously served
two prison terms for telephone fraud, having discovered that a whistle
in boxes of Cap'n Crunch cereal produced a 2600 Hz tone, which was used
extensively in those days for 'phone phreaking'.

Steve Ahlstrom (the head sysop) contacted me one day and told me John
Draper was no longer a sysop, and asked if I would like to take his
place. I said yes.

Turns out that John had been charged, along with a few others, with
forging BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) tickets, and Stsve asked him to
leave the forum.

--
The word "mini" is a mini version of the word "miniature"

On 12/24/2022 10:33 AM, TonyCooper wrote:
> CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> and possibly also on "hacker-hackie".

>>> (PTD)(I don't know what that is.)

>> Alright, "hackor - hackee". I'm tolerably sure "hackie" is
>> understood as "cabbie" in the NYC umland.

> I dasn't speak for NYC umlanders, but it *should* be understood by
> those of a certain age or older.

> At one time in the US, a taxicab was called a "hack" and a taxicab
> driver was called a "hackie". The terms are used with those
> meanings in many books, and were heard in the dialog of many old
> movies. We, of course, know it came from "hackney".

In any case, I have a confession to make - one of several, but I may
save the rest for Boxing Day. I didn't look at the NYT article, but
concluded from the URL that there were quotation marks where there were
none.

That doesn't rule out the idea of punning, but it removes one of its props.

> Today, though, a "hack" is more commonly used to describe a
> different way of doing something. Here's an article about NYC
> hacks:

> https://theculturetrip.com/usa/new-york/articles/new-york-city-hacks-even-locals-dont-know/

>
>
Nothing to do with taxicabs or taxicab drivers or computers.

> A "hacker", though, is a person who does something to create,
> modify, or penetrate a system...usually for nefarious purpose and now
> by using a computer.

> That use first came to my attention in the early 1960s when phone
> hackers were finding ways to make free long distance phone calls.

On 12/24/2022 11:38 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:

>>>>> How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who
>>>>> dispatches each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?
>>>> The word "hackers" was put between quotation marks. It seems
>>>> possible that it was a pun on "hack", meaning "taxicab",
>>> Seems unlikely.
>>>> and possibly also on "hacker-hackie".
>>> (I don't know what that is.)

>> Alright, "hackor - hackee". I'm tolerably sure "hackie" is
>> understood as "cabbie" in the NYC umland.

> Used to be, anyway.

> But in Indianoplace or the Florida orland?

i wasn't addressing that to your nemesis.

>>>> And that the operation involved some amount of cabbage.
>>> Kale.

>> That gang's all here. I have just learned, watching the very
>> talented Linda Ronstadt in _Penzance_, that the tune is Sir
>> Arthur's.

>> Cute as a button, too. Linda, that is.

> It was an unfortunate Broadway adaptation.

Agreed; but redeemed by her performance.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 14:02:30 -0500, CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/24/2022 11:38 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> CDB wrote:
>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
>>>>>> How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who
>>>>>> dispatches each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?
>>>>> The word "hackers" was put between quotation marks. It seems
>>>>> possible that it was a pun on "hack", meaning "taxicab",
>>>> Seems unlikely.
>>>>> and possibly also on "hacker-hackie".
>>>> (I don't know what that is.)
>
>>> Alright, "hackor - hackee". I'm tolerably sure "hackie" is
>>> understood as "cabbie" in the NYC umland.
>
>> Used to be, anyway.
>
>> But in Indianoplace or the Florida orland?
>
>i wasn't addressing that to your nemesis.

I am surprised (but not much) that PTD was unfamiliar with the "hack"
meaning of taxicab. As recently as June, 2020 that NYC used the term
in a government document:

https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/central-park-south-grand-army-pl-cb5-jun2020.pdf

I assume he would know that a "hackstand" is not a place where
computer hackers congregate.

On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 2:16:06 PM UTC-5, TonyCooper wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 14:02:30 -0500, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 12/24/2022 11:38 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> CDB wrote:
> >>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>> CDB wrote:
> >>>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> >>>>>> How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who
> >>>>>> dispatches each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?
> >>>>> The word "hackers" was put between quotation marks. It seems
> >>>>> possible that it was a pun on "hack", meaning "taxicab",
> >>>> Seems unlikely.
> >>>>> and possibly also on "hacker-hackie".
> >>>> (I don't know what that is.)
> >>> Alright, "hackor - hackee". I'm tolerably sure "hackie" is
> >>> understood as "cabbie" in the NYC umland.
> >> Used to be, anyway.
> >> But in Indianoplace or the Florida orland?
> >i wasn't addressing that to your nemesis.
>
> I am surprised (but not much) that PTD was unfamiliar with the "hack"
> meaning of taxicab.

You fucking asshole, now your stooges are going to believe
that I am as ignorant as you are.

> As recently as June, 2020 that NYC used the term
> in a government document:
>
> https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/central-park-south-grand-army-pl-cb5-jun2020.pdf
>
> I assume he would know that a "hackstand" is not a place where
> computer hackers congregate.

You are probably also surprised to learn that the document that
permits someone to drive a cab is officially called a "hack license."

No New Yorker can not-know that.

Especially since they are in the news from time to time.

On 25/12/22 02:33, TonyCooper wrote:

> A "hacker", though, is a person who does something to create,
> modify, or penetrate a system...usually for nefarious purpose and now
> by using a computer.
>
> That use first came to my attention in the early 1960s when phone
> hackers were finding ways to make free long distance phone calls.

As an undergraduate I lived in a university college where a number of
phones were scattered about the college buildings. Although technically
public phones, they were used for both incoming and outgoing calls.

Once, a technician was replacing one of the phones. A group of students
was watching him. As he finished the job, he said to them "Now you won't
be able to make free calls."

He shouldn't have issued that challenge. It took twenty minutes.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

On 2022-12-24 17:10, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 25/12/22 02:33, TonyCooper wrote:
>
>> A "hacker", though, is a person who does something to create,
>> modify, or penetrate a system...usually for nefarious purpose and now
>> by using a computer.
>>
>> That use first came to my attention in the early 1960s when phone
>> hackers were finding ways to make free long distance phone calls.
>
> As an undergraduate I lived in a university college where a number of
> phones were scattered about the college buildings. Although technically
> public phones, they were used for both incoming and outgoing calls.
>
> Once, a technician was replacing one of the phones. A group of students
> was watching him. As he finished the job, he said to them "Now you won't
> be able to make free calls."
>
> He shouldn't have issued that challenge. It took twenty minutes.

I and a few friends from a computer club went to see /War Games/, and
one fellow, fairly young, was marvelling at the nifty technology. Some
of us kept telling which which things were not possible with the
equipment the kid in the film was using. I don't think he was convinced.

In one scene, the boy stepped into a phone booth, pulled out a hairpin
(or possibly just a wire), and shorted the microphone to the metal body
of the phone.

The young guy with us called bullshit, and the rest of us looked at him
and told him that was exactly how to make a free call.

After we left the theatre, we stopped at a phone booth and showed him.

--
An apple every eight hours will keep three doctors away.

On 12/24/2022 6:10 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> TonyCooper wrote:

>> A "hacker", though, is a person who does something to create,
>> modify, or penetrate a system...usually for nefarious purpose and
>> now by using a computer.

>> That use first came to my attention in the early 1960s when phone
>> hackers were finding ways to make free long distance phone calls.

> As an undergraduate I lived in a university college where a number
> of phones were scattered about the college buildings. Although
> technically public phones, they were used for both incoming and
> outgoing calls.

> Once, a technician was replacing one of the phones. A group of
> students was watching him. As he finished the job, he said to them
> "Now you won't be able to make free calls."

> He shouldn't have issued that challenge. It took twenty minutes.

I imagine that was a high-tech solution.

Around 1960, there was an Argentine coin (50 centavos, I think), worth
very little, that Canadian payphones took for quarters. Very useful for
calling home.