1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to charge
cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an open
secret among drivers competing for fares.

Source:

Tinyurl:
https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas

Original address
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.

The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to jump the line,
if I understand it correctly.

I conclude that

a) He charged me three dollars to use his phone.
and
b) He charged three dollars to let me use his phone.

are both grammatical and mean the same. ('a' could be ambiguous
as in a weird situation he might have taken my money and used his
phone.)

Am I correct?

and is
c) He charged me three dollars to let me use his phone.
grammatical?

Gratefully,
Navi

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5, arthurvv vart wrote:

> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to charge
> cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an open
> secret among drivers competing for fares.
>
> Source:
>
> Tinyurl:
> https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas
>
> Original address
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
>
> The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to jump the line,
> if I understand it correctly.

Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the line." Yes, you've
got it, but I wonder how it worked. Usually at such a cab stand there's
a "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken in the order they arrive
in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to anywhere in the city). Did the
Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport employees? (No, I can't view
a NYT story.)

> I conclude that
>
> a) He charged me three dollars to use his phone.
> and
> b) He charged three dollars to let me use his phone.
>
> are both grammatical and mean the same. ('a' could be ambiguous
> as in a weird situation he might have taken my money and used his
> phone.)
>
> Am I correct?

(a) is better.

> and is
> c) He charged me three dollars to let me use his phone.
> grammatical?

The "let me" is unneeded.

On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 07:59:39 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5, arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to charge
>> cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an open
>> secret among drivers competing for fares.
>>
>> Source:
>>
>> Tinyurl:
>> https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas
>>
>> Original address
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
>>
>> The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
>> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to jump the line,
>> if I understand it correctly.
>
>Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the line." Yes, you've
>got it, but I wonder how it worked. Usually at such a cab stand there's
>a "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken in the order they arrive
>in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to anywhere in the city). Did the
>Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport employees? (No, I can't view
>a NYT story.)

No, it's about "hacking".

"Russian hackers have carried out cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and
gas companies, a presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline.
But cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when the
authorities said that two Queens men working with Russians had been
able to hack the electronic taxi dispatch system at Kennedy
International Airport.

The goal? To allow taxi drivers in a holding lot waiting to pick up
their next fare to jump the line — for a $10 fee."

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 07:59:39 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5, arthurvv vart wrote:

> >> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to charge
> >> cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an open
> >> secret among drivers competing for fares.
> >> Source:
> >> Tinyurl:
> >> https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas
> >> Original address
> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
> >> The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
> >> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to jump the line,
> >> if I understand it correctly.
> >Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the line." Yes, you've
> >got it, but I wonder how it worked. Usually at such a cab stand there's
> >a "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken in the order they arrive
> >in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to anywhere in the city). Did the
> >Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport employees? (No, I can't view
> >a NYT story.)
>
> No, it's about "hacking".
>
> "Russian hackers have carried out cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and
> gas companies, a presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline.
> But cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when the
> authorities said that two Queens men working with Russians had been
> able to hack the electronic taxi dispatch system at Kennedy
> International Airport.
>
> The goal? To allow taxi drivers in a holding lot waiting to pick up
> their next fare to jump the line — for a $10 fee."

How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and how
does it answer my question?

If you have no answer, don't reply.
> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida
> I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

"I'm not sure I understand the issue here."
-- Tony Cooper, 12/03/2022

On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 09:14:35 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 07:59:39 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5, arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>> >> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to charge
>> >> cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an open
>> >> secret among drivers competing for fares.
>> >> Source:
>> >> Tinyurl:
>> >> https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas
>> >> Original address
>> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
>> >> The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
>> >> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to jump the line,
>> >> if I understand it correctly.
>> >Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the line." Yes, you've
>> >got it, but I wonder how it worked. Usually at such a cab stand there's
>> >a "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken in the order they arrive
>> >in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to anywhere in the city). Did the
>> >Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport employees? (No, I can't view
>> >a NYT story.)
>>
>> No, it's about "hacking".
>>
>> "Russian hackers have carried out cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and
>> gas companies, a presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline.
>> But cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when the
>> authorities said that two Queens men working with Russians had been
>> able to hack the electronic taxi dispatch system at Kennedy
>> International Airport.
>>
>> The goal? To allow taxi drivers in a holding lot waiting to pick up
>> their next fare to jump the line — for a $10 fee."
>
>How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and how
>does it answer my question?

Petey....do you actually read what you respond to?

Right up above your question is " Did the Russian Mob somehow
infiltrate the airport employees?"

The answer is that "No, it's about hacking". You should be able to
conclude from the paragraph from the NYT that I pasted that the scheme
was accomplished by external interference from Russians to the
electronic taxi dispatch system.

Two men from Queens were in contact with the Russians, received the
fees from the drivers, forwarded some of the fees to Russia, but the
article doesn't state if they were airport employees.

>If you have no answer, don't reply.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:10:20 PM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 09:14:35 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 07:59:39 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5, arthurvv vart wrote:
> >> >> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to charge
> >> >> cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an open
> >> >> secret among drivers competing for fares.
> >> >> Source:
> >> >> Tinyurl:
> >> >> https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas
> >> >> Original address
> >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
> >> >> The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
> >> >> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to jump the line,
> >> >> if I understand it correctly.
> >> >Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the line." Yes, you've
> >> >got it, but I wonder how it worked. Usually at such a cab stand there's
> >> >a "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken in the order they arrive
> >> >in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to anywhere in the city). Did the
> >> >Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport employees? (No, I can't view
> >> >a NYT story.)
> >> No, it's about "hacking".
> >> "Russian hackers have carried out cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and
> >> gas companies, a presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline.
> >> But cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when the
> >> authorities said that two Queens men working with Russians had been
> >> able to hack the electronic taxi dispatch system at Kennedy
> >> International Airport.
> >> The goal? To allow taxi drivers in a holding lot waiting to pick up
> >> their next fare to jump the line — for a $10 fee."
> >How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and how
> >does it answer my question?
>
> Petey

screw you

> ....do you actually read what you respond to?
>
> Right up above your question is " Did the Russian Mob somehow
> infiltrate the airport employees?"

That was a guess at the answer to the question I asked:

I WONDER HOW IT WORKED.

You have no idea, but you typed stuff anyway.

> >If you have no answer, don't reply.
> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida
> I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

"You overestimate my ability to understand what I'm looking at."
-- Tony Cooper, 10/08/2022

On 22/12/22 00:00, arthurvv vart wrote:
> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to
> charge cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an
> open secret among drivers competing for fares.
>
> Source:
>
> Tinyurl: https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas
>
> Original address
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
>
> The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to jump the
> line, if I understand it correctly.
>
> I conclude that
>
> a) He charged me three dollars to use his phone. and b) He charged
> three dollars to let me use his phone.
>
> are both grammatical and mean the same. ('a' could be ambiguous as in
> a weird situation he might have taken my money and used his phone.)
>
> Am I correct?
>
> and is c) He charged me three dollars to let me use his phone.
> grammatical?

All of your examples are correct.

The general rule is: if a verb is followed by two objects, then the
first one is the indirect object. But surely you must have met this very
early in your study of English.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Den 21-12-2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Peter T. Daniels:
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:10:20 PM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 09:14:35 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 07:59:39 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
>>>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5, arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>>>>>> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to charge
>>>>>> cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an open
>>>>>> secret among drivers competing for fares.
>>>>>> Source:
>>>>>> Tinyurl:
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas
>>>>>> Original address
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
>>>>>> The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
>>>>>> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to jump the line,
>>>>>> if I understand it correctly.
>>>>> Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the line." Yes, you've
>>>>> got it, but I wonder how it worked. Usually at such a cab stand there's
>>>>> a "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken in the order they arrive
>>>>> in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to anywhere in the city). Did the
>>>>> Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport employees? (No, I can't view
>>>>> a NYT story.)
>>>> No, it's about "hacking".
>>>> "Russian hackers have carried out cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and
>>>> gas companies, a presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline.
>>>> But cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when the
>>>> authorities said that two Queens men working with Russians had been
>>>> able to hack the electronic taxi dispatch system at Kennedy
>>>> International Airport.
>>>> The goal? To allow taxi drivers in a holding lot waiting to pick up
>>>> their next fare to jump the line — for a $10 fee."
>>> How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and how
>>> does it answer my question?
>>
>> Petey
>
> screw you
>
>> ....do you actually read what you respond to?
>>
>> Right up above your question is " Did the Russian Mob somehow
>> infiltrate the airport employees?"
>
> That was a guess at the answer to the question I asked:
>
> I WONDER HOW IT WORKED.

And to that question, Tony posted an answer.
What's not to like?

/Anders, Denmark.

On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:02:15 AM UTC-5, Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
> Den 21-12-2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:10:20 PM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 09:14:35 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 07:59:39 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >>>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5, arthurvv vart wrote:

> >>>>>> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to charge
> >>>>>> cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an open
> >>>>>> secret among drivers competing for fares.
> >>>>>> Source:
> >>>>>> Tinyurl:
> >>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas
> >>>>>> Original address
> >>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
> >>>>>> The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct..
> >>>>>> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to jump the line,
> >>>>>> if I understand it correctly.
> >>>>> Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the line." Yes, you've
> >>>>> got it, but I wonder how it worked. Usually at such a cab stand there's
> >>>>> a "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken in the order they arrive
> >>>>> in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to anywhere in the city). Did the
> >>>>> Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport employees? (No, I can't view
> >>>>> a NYT story.)
> >>>> No, it's about "hacking".
> >>>> "Russian hackers have carried out cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and
> >>>> gas companies, a presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline.
> >>>> But cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when the
> >>>> authorities said that two Queens men working with Russians had been
> >>>> able to hack the electronic taxi dispatch system at Kennedy
> >>>> International Airport.
> >>>> The goal? To allow taxi drivers in a holding lot waiting to pick up
> >>>> their next fare to jump the line — for a $10 fee."
> >>> How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and how
> >>> does it answer my question?
> >> Petey
> > screw you
> >> ....do you actually read what you respond to?
> >> Right up above your question is " Did the Russian Mob somehow
> >> infiltrate the airport employees?"
> > That was a guess at the answer to the question I asked:
> > I WONDER HOW IT WORKED.
>
> And to that question, Tony posted an answer.

He didn't. He posted only the answer to the follow-up -- and then
pointed out that that was what he had answered.

> What's not to like?

How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who
dispatches each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?

On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 07:30:56 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:02:15 AM UTC-5, Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
>> Den 21-12-2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Peter T. Daniels:
>> > On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:10:20 PM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 09:14:35 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >>>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 07:59:39 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> >>>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5, arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>> >>>>>> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to charge
>> >>>>>> cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an open
>> >>>>>> secret among drivers competing for fares.
>> >>>>>> Source:
>> >>>>>> Tinyurl:
>> >>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas
>> >>>>>> Original address
>> >>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
>> >>>>>> The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
>> >>>>>> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to jump the line,
>> >>>>>> if I understand it correctly.
>> >>>>> Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the line." Yes, you've
>> >>>>> got it, but I wonder how it worked. Usually at such a cab stand there's
>> >>>>> a "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken in the order they arrive
>> >>>>> in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to anywhere in the city). Did the
>> >>>>> Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport employees? (No, I can't view
>> >>>>> a NYT story.)
>> >>>> No, it's about "hacking".
>> >>>> "Russian hackers have carried out cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and
>> >>>> gas companies, a presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline.
>> >>>> But cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when the
>> >>>> authorities said that two Queens men working with Russians had been
>> >>>> able to hack the electronic taxi dispatch system at Kennedy
>> >>>> International Airport.
>> >>>> The goal? To allow taxi drivers in a holding lot waiting to pick up
>> >>>> their next fare to jump the line — for a $10 fee."
>> >>> How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and how
>> >>> does it answer my question?
>> >> Petey
>> > screw you
>> >> ....do you actually read what you respond to?
>> >> Right up above your question is " Did the Russian Mob somehow
>> >> infiltrate the airport employees?"
>> > That was a guess at the answer to the question I asked:
>> > I WONDER HOW IT WORKED.
>>
>> And to that question, Tony posted an answer.
>
>He didn't. He posted only the answer to the follow-up -- and then
>pointed out that that was what he had answered.
>
>> What's not to like?
>
>How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who
>dispatches each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?

If you had read the para I pasted, you would see that they hacked the
"electronic taxi dispatch system".

The hacking involved the system that lets taxi drivers waiting in the
holding lot advance to whatever terminal needs more taxis.

The dispatcher in the booth is only directing the taxis that have been
sent to his terminal.

This is all online, Petey. Not just in the NYT, but from other
sources. Instead of a series of posts wailing about not getting the
right answer to your question, look it up yourself like a grown-up.

On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:43:43 PM UTC-5, TonyCooper wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 07:30:56 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:02:15 AM UTC-5, Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
> >> Den 21-12-2022 kl. 23:59 skrev Peter T. Daniels:
> >> > On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:10:20 PM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 09:14:35 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> >>>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 07:59:39 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> >>>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5, arthurvv vart wrote:
> >> >>>>>> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to charge
> >> >>>>>> cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an open
> >> >>>>>> secret among drivers competing for fares.
> >> >>>>>> Source:
> >> >>>>>> Tinyurl:
> >> >>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas
> >> >>>>>> Original address
> >> >>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
> >> >>>>>> The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
> >> >>>>>> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to jump the line,
> >> >>>>>> if I understand it correctly.
> >> >>>>> Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the line." Yes, you've
> >> >>>>> got it, but I wonder how it worked. Usually at such a cab stand there's
> >> >>>>> a "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken in the order they arrive
> >> >>>>> in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to anywhere in the city). Did the
> >> >>>>> Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport employees? (No, I can't view
> >> >>>>> a NYT story.)
> >> >>>> No, it's about "hacking".
> >> >>>> "Russian hackers have carried out cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and
> >> >>>> gas companies, a presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline.
> >> >>>> But cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when the
> >> >>>> authorities said that two Queens men working with Russians had been
> >> >>>> able to hack the electronic taxi dispatch system at Kennedy
> >> >>>> International Airport.
> >> >>>> The goal? To allow taxi drivers in a holding lot waiting to pick up
> >> >>>> their next fare to jump the line — for a $10 fee."
> >> >>> How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and how
> >> >>> does it answer my question?
> >> >> Petey
> >> > screw you
> >> >> ....do you actually read what you respond to?
> >> >> Right up above your question is " Did the Russian Mob somehow
> >> >> infiltrate the airport employees?"
> >> > That was a guess at the answer to the question I asked:
> >> > I WONDER HOW IT WORKED.
> >> And to that question, Tony posted an answer.
> >He didn't. He posted only the answer to the follow-up -- and then
> >pointed out that that was what he had answered.
> >> What's not to like?
> >How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who
> >dispatches each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?
>
> If you had read the para I pasted, you would see that they hacked the
> "electronic taxi dispatch system".

*********
> The hacking involved the system that lets taxi drivers waiting in the
> holding lot advance to whatever terminal needs more taxis.
*********

You must have meant to include that information, but forgot to.

> The dispatcher in the booth is only directing the taxis that have been
> sent to his terminal.
>
> This is all online, Petey. Not just in the NYT, but from other
> sources. Instead of a series of posts wailing about not getting the
> right answer to your question, look it up yourself like a grown-up.

I don't give a flying fuck about "other sources."

I do not have the time to chase "other sources" to answer an idle
query raised by a poster who could presumably have provided
the information himself to those who are locked out of the NYT
because they have clicked one too many pointless links posted here.

Of course Ranjit must be bursting with gratitude that you stepped in
in his place since you have nothing better to do with your day.

On 12/22/2022 10:30 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels:
>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5,
>>>>>>> arthurvv vart wrote:

>>>>>>>> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with
>>>>>>>> Russians to charge cabbies $10 to jump the line at the
>>>>>>>> airport. The scheme was an open secret among drivers
>>>>>>>> competing for fares. Source: Tinyurl:
>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas Original address
>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
>>>>>>>> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to
>>>>>>>> jump the line, if I understand it correctly.
>>>>>>> Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the
>>>>>>> line." Yes, you've got it, but I wonder how it worked.
>>>>>>> Usually at such a cab stand there's a "dispatcher" who
>>>>>>> sees to it that cabs are taken in the order they arrive
>>>>>>> in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to anywhere
>>>>>>> in the city). Did the Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the
>>>>>>> airport employees? (No, I can't view a NYT story.)
>>>>>> No, it's about "hacking". "Russian hackers have carried out
>>>>>> cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and gas companies, a
>>>>>> presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline. But
>>>>>> cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when the
>>>>>> authorities said that two Queens men working with Russians
>>>>>> had been able to hack the electronic taxi dispatch system
>>>>>> at Kennedy International Airport. The goal? To allow taxi
>>>>>> drivers in a holding lot waiting to pick up their next fare
>>>>>> to jump the line — for a $10 fee."
>>>>> How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and how
>>>>> does it answer my question?
>>>> Petey
>>> screw you
>>>> ....do you actually read what you respond to? Right up above
>>>> your question is " Did the Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the
>>>> airport employees?"
>>> That was a guess at the answer to the question I asked: I WONDER
>>> HOW IT WORKED.

>> And to that question, Tony posted an answer.

> He didn't. He posted only the answer to the follow-up -- and then
> pointed out that that was what he had answered.

>> What's not to like?

> How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who
> dispatches each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?

The word "hackers" was put between quotation marks. It seems possible
that it was a pun on "hack", meaning "taxicab", and possibly also on
"hacker-hackie".

And that the operation involved some amount of cabbage.

On 12/22/2022 4:45 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> TonyCooper wrote:
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
>>>> Peter T. Daniels:
>>>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> arthurvv vart wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked
>>>>>>>>>> with Russians to charge cabbies $10 to jump the
>>>>>>>>>> line at the airport. The scheme was an open secret
>>>>>>>>>> among drivers competing for fares. Source:
>>>>>>>>>> Tinyurl: https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas Original
>>>>>>>>>> address
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.

navi
The
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.

>>>>>>>>>> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed
>>>>>>>>>> to jump the line, if I understand it correctly.
>>>>>>>>> Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the
>>>>>>>>> line." Yes, you've got it, but I wonder how it
>>>>>>>>> worked. Usually at such a cab stand there's a
>>>>>>>>> "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken in
>>>>>>>>> the order they arrive in the queue (it's illegal to
>>>>>>>>> refuse a fare to anywhere in the city). Did the
>>>>>>>>> Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport employees?
>>>>>>>>> (No, I can't view a NYT story.)
>>>>>>>> No, it's about "hacking". "Russian hackers have carried
>>>>>>>> out cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and gas companies, a
>>>>>>>> presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline. But
>>>>>>>> cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when
>>>>>>>> the authorities said that two Queens men working with
>>>>>>>> Russians had been able to hack the electronic taxi
>>>>>>>> dispatch system at Kennedy International Airport. The
>>>>>>>> goal? To allow taxi drivers in a holding lot waiting to
>>>>>>>> pick up their next fare to jump the line — for a $10
>>>>>>>> fee."
>>>>>>> How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and
>>>>>>> how does it answer my question?
>>>>>> Petey
>>>>> screw you
>>>>>> ....do you actually read what you respond to? Right up
>>>>>> above your question is " Did the Russian Mob somehow
>>>>>> infiltrate the airport employees?"
>>>>> That was a guess at the answer to the question I asked: I
>>>>> WONDER HOW IT WORKED.
>>>> And to that question, Tony posted an answer.
>>> He didn't. He posted only the answer to the follow-up -- and
>>> then pointed out that that was what he had answered.
>>>> What's not to like?
>>> How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who
>>> dispatches each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?

>> If you had read the para I pasted, you would see that they hacked
>> the "electronic taxi dispatch system".

> *********
>> The hacking involved the system that lets taxi drivers waiting in
>> the holding lot advance to whatever terminal needs more taxis.
> *********

> You must have meant to include that information, but forgot to.

>> The dispatcher in the booth is only directing the taxis that have
>> been sent to his terminal.

>> This is all online, Petey. Not just in the NYT, but from other
>> sources. Instead of a series of posts wailing about not getting
>> the right answer to your question, look it up yourself like a
>> grown-up.

> I don't give a flying fuck about "other sources."

Well, I don't give a flying fuck about the Mile-High Club. So there.

[the life so short, the craft so long to learn]

On 2022-12-23 13:43:02 +0000, CDB said:

> On 12/22/2022 4:45 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> TonyCooper wrote:
>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
>>>>> Peter T. Daniels:
>>>>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with Russians to
>>>>>>>>>>> charge cabbies $10 to jump the line at the airport. The scheme was an
>>>>>>>>>>> open secret
>>>>>>>>>>> among drivers competing for fares. Source:
>>>>>>>>>>> Tinyurl: https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas Original
>>>>>>>>>>> address
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> navi
> The
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
> sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed
>>>>>>>>>>> to jump the line, if I understand it correctly.
>>>>>>>>>> Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the
>>>>>>>>>> line." Yes, you've got it, but I wonder how it worked. Usually at such
>>>>>>>>>> a cab stand there's a "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken
>>>>>>>>>> in the order they arrive in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to
>>>>>>>>>> anywhere in the city). Did the Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the
>>>>>>>>>> airport employees?
>>>>>>>>>> (No, I can't view a NYT story.)
>>>>>>>>> No, it's about "hacking". "Russian hackers have carried
>>>>>>>>> out cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and gas companies, a
>>>>>>>>> presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline. But
>>>>>>>>> cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when
>>>>>>>>> the authorities said that two Queens men working with
>>>>>>>>> Russians had been able to hack the electronic taxi
>>>>>>>>> dispatch system at Kennedy International Airport. The
>>>>>>>>> goal? To allow taxi drivers in a holding lot waiting to
>>>>>>>>> pick up their next fare to jump the line — for a $10
>>>>>>>>> fee."
>>>>>>>> How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and how does it
>>>>>>>> answer my question?
>>>>>>> Petey
>>>>>> screw you
>>>>>>> ....do you actually read what you respond to? Right up above your
>>>>>>> question is " Did the Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport
>>>>>>> employees?"
>>>>>> That was a guess at the answer to the question I asked: I WONDER HOW IT WORKED.
>>>>> And to that question, Tony posted an answer.
>>>> He didn't. He posted only the answer to the follow-up -- and
>>>> then pointed out that that was what he had answered.
>>>>> What's not to like?
>>>> How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who dispatches
>>>> each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?
>
>>> If you had read the para I pasted, you would see that they hacked the
>>> "electronic taxi dispatch system".
>
>> *********
>>> The hacking involved the system that lets taxi drivers waiting in the
>>> holding lot advance to whatever terminal needs more taxis.
>> *********
>
>> You must have meant to include that information, but forgot to.
>
>>> The dispatcher in the booth is only directing the taxis that have been
>>> sent to his terminal.
>
>>> This is all online, Petey. Not just in the NYT, but from other sources.
>>> Instead of a series of posts wailing about not getting
>>> the right answer to your question, look it up yourself like a grown-up.
>
>> I don't give a flying fuck about "other sources."
>
> Well, I don't give a flying fuck about the Mile-High Club. So there.

No need to fly. You can just go to Denver (or, better, Bogotá) and do
it in the ordinary way.
>
> [the life so short, the craft so long to learn]

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:34:49 AM UTC-5, CDB wrote:
> On 12/22/2022 10:30 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels:
> >>> Tony Cooper wrote:
> >>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
> >>>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5,
> >>>>>>> arthurvv vart wrote:

> >>>>>>>> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked with
> >>>>>>>> Russians to charge cabbies $10 to jump the line at the
> >>>>>>>> airport. The scheme was an open secret among drivers
> >>>>>>>> competing for fares. Source: Tinyurl:
> >>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas Original address
> >>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
> >>>>>>>> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed to
> >>>>>>>> jump the line, if I understand it correctly.
> >>>>>>> Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the
> >>>>>>> line." Yes, you've got it, but I wonder how it worked.
> >>>>>>> Usually at such a cab stand there's a "dispatcher" who
> >>>>>>> sees to it that cabs are taken in the order they arrive
> >>>>>>> in the queue (it's illegal to refuse a fare to anywhere
> >>>>>>> in the city). Did the Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the
> >>>>>>> airport employees? (No, I can't view a NYT story.)
> >>>>>> No, it's about "hacking". "Russian hackers have carried out
> >>>>>> cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and gas companies, a
> >>>>>> presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline. But
> >>>>>> cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday when the
> >>>>>> authorities said that two Queens men working with Russians
> >>>>>> had been able to hack the electronic taxi dispatch system
> >>>>>> at Kennedy International Airport. The goal? To allow taxi
> >>>>>> drivers in a holding lot waiting to pick up their next fare
> >>>>>> to jump the line — for a $10 fee."
> >>>>> How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and how
> >>>>> does it answer my question?
> >>>> Petey
> >>> screw you
> >>>> ....do you actually read what you respond to? Right up above
> >>>> your question is " Did the Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the
> >>>> airport employees?"
> >>> That was a guess at the answer to the question I asked: I WONDER
> >>> HOW IT WORKED.
> >> And to that question, Tony posted an answer.
> > He didn't. He posted only the answer to the follow-up -- and then
> > pointed out that that was what he had answered.
> >> What's not to like?
> > How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who
> > dispatches each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?
>
> The word "hackers" was put between quotation marks. It seems possible
> that it was a pun on "hack", meaning "taxicab",

Seems unlikely.

> and possibly also on
> "hacker-hackie".

(I don't know what that is.)

> And that the operation involved some amount of cabbage.

Kale.

On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:52:18 AM UTC-5, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-12-23 13:43:02 +0000, CDB said:

> > Well, I don't give a flying fuck about the Mile-High Club. So there.
>
> No need to fly. You can just go to Denver (or, better, Bogotá) and do
> it in the ordinary way.
>
> > [the life so short, the craft so long to learn]

Both Denver and Chicago are totally shut down by the blizzard,
no matter how long the craft are.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 08:43:02 -0500, CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:

>Well, I don't give a flying fuck about the Mile-High Club. So there.

Notice how all of humanity's endeavors gets reduced to fucking?

I read a while ago about some woman holding the record for the highest
fuck on Mt. Everest.

Coming up soon: Not a Moon walk, but a Moon fuck.

On 23-Dec-22 13:52, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-12-23 13:43:02 +0000, CDB said:
>

>> Well, I don't give a flying fuck about the Mile-High Club.  So there.
>
> No need to fly. You can just go to Denver (or, better, Bogotá) and do it
> in the ordinary way.

But, while you are on that flight to Denver or Bogotá... it's one way to
pass the time.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 6:52:18 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-12-23 13:43:02 +0000, CDB said:
>
> > On 12/22/2022 4:45 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
....

> >> I don't give a flying fuck about "other sources."
> >
> > Well, I don't give a flying fuck about the Mile-High Club. So there.

> No need to fly. You can just go to Denver (or, better, Bogotá) and do
> it in the ordinary way.
....

ObPedantry: I think it's supposed to be altitude, not elevation.

--
Jerry Friedman

On 24/12/22 00:34, CDB wrote:

> The word "hackers" was put between quotation marks. It seems possible
> that it was a pun on "hack", meaning "taxicab", and possibly also on
> "hacker-hackie".
>
> And that the operation involved some amount of cabbage.

<like>

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

On 2022-12-23 18:23, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 6:52:18 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2022-12-23 13:43:02 +0000, CDB said:
>>
>>> On 12/22/2022 4:45 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> ...
>
>>>> I don't give a flying fuck about "other sources."
>>>
>>> Well, I don't give a flying fuck about the Mile-High Club. So there.
>
>> No need to fly. You can just go to Denver (or, better, Bogotá) and do
>> it in the ordinary way.
> ...
>
> ObPedantry: I think it's supposed to be altitude, not elevation.

To a pilot, they are often the same thing. Very imrortant when taking off.

--
Just had a Hell's Angel Jehovah's Witness at the door.
He knocked on the door and then told ME to piss off.

On 12/23/2022 11:10 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
>>>> Peter T. Daniels:
>>>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>> arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> 1) Federal prosecutors say two Queens men worked
>>>>>>>>>> with Russians to charge cabbies $10 to jump the
>>>>>>>>>> line at the airport. The scheme was an open secret
>>>>>>>>>> among drivers competing for fares. Source:
>>>>>>>>>> Tinyurl: https://tinyurl.com/2bk8kaas Original
>>>>>>>>>> address
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/20/nyregion/russian-hackers-jfk-taxis.html#:~:text=the%20main%20story-,Russian%20Hackers'%20Latest%20Target%20Is%20Cab%20Dispatch%20Line%20at%20J.F.K.,among%20drivers%20competing%20for%20fares.

>>
>>>>>>>>>>
The sentence is from the New York Times and I assume it is correct.
>>>>>>>>>> So cabbies were charged 10 dollars and then allowed
>>>>>>>>>> to jump the line, if I understand it correctly.
>>>>>>>>> Ha! I expected the question would be about "jump the
>>>>>>>>> line." Yes, you've got it, but I wonder how it
>>>>>>>>> worked. Usually at such a cab stand there's a
>>>>>>>>> "dispatcher" who sees to it that cabs are taken in
>>>>>>>>> the order they arrive in the queue (it's illegal to
>>>>>>>>> refuse a fare to anywhere in the city). Did the
>>>>>>>>> Russian Mob somehow infiltrate the airport employees?
>>>>>>>>> (No, I can't view a NYT story.)
>>>>>>>> No, it's about "hacking". "Russian hackers have carried
>>>>>>>> out cyberattacks on hospitals, oil and gas companies,
>>>>>>>> a presidential election and a massive fuel pipeline.
>>>>>>>> But cyberwarfare reached a new battlefield on Tuesday
>>>>>>>> when the authorities said that two Queens men working
>>>>>>>> with Russians had been able to hack the electronic taxi
>>>>>>>> dispatch system at Kennedy International Airport. The
>>>>>>>> goal? To allow taxi drivers in a holding lot waiting to
>>>>>>>> pick up their next fare to jump the line — for a $10
>>>>>>>> fee."
>>>>>>> How is that different from what arthur-Navi posted, and
>>>>>>> how does it answer my question?
>>>>>> Petey
>>>>> screw you
>>>>>> ....do you actually read what you respond to? Right up
>>>>>> above your question is " Did the Russian Mob somehow
>>>>>> infiltrate the airport employees?"
>>>>> That was a guess at the answer to the question I asked: I
>>>>> WONDER HOW IT WORKED.
>>>> And to that question, Tony posted an answer.
>>> He didn't. He posted only the answer to the follow-up -- and
>>> then pointed out that that was what he had answered.
>>>> What's not to like?
>>> How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who
>>> dispatches each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?

>> The word "hackers" was put between quotation marks. It seems
>> possible that it was a pun on "hack", meaning "taxicab",

> Seems unlikely.

>> and possibly also on "hacker-hackie".

> (I don't know what that is.)

Alright, "hackor - hackee". I'm tolerably sure "hackie" is understood
as "cabbie" in the NYC umland.

>> And that the operation involved some amount of cabbage.

> Kale.

That gang's all here. I have just learned, watching the very talented
Linda Ronstadt in _Penzance_, that the tune is Sir Arthur's.

Cute as a button, too. Linda, that is.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 09:14:03 -0500, CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> and possibly also on "hacker-hackie".
>
>> (PTD)(I don't know what that is.)
>
>Alright, "hackor - hackee". I'm tolerably sure "hackie" is understood
>as "cabbie" in the NYC umland.
>

I dasn't speak for NYC umlanders, but it *should* be understood by
those of a certain age or older.

At one time in the US, a taxicab was called a "hack" and a taxicab
driver was called a "hackie". The terms are used with those meanings
in many books, and were heard in the dialog of many old movies. We,
of course, know it came from "hackney".

Today, though, a "hack" is more commonly used to describe a different
way of doing something. Here's an article about NYC hacks:

https://theculturetrip.com/usa/new-york/articles/new-york-city-hacks-even-locals-dont-know/

Nothing to do with taxicabs or taxicab drivers or computers.

A "hacker", though, is a person who does something to create, modify,
or penetrate a system...usually for nefarious purpose and now by using
a computer.

That use first came to my attention in the early 1960s when phone
hackers were finding ways to make free long distance phone calls.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 10:33:58 -0500, TonyCooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 09:14:03 -0500, CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> and possibly also on "hacker-hackie".
>>
>>> (PTD)(I don't know what that is.)
>>
>>Alright, "hackor - hackee". I'm tolerably sure "hackie" is understood
>>as "cabbie" in the NYC umland.
>>
>
>I dasn't speak for NYC umlanders, but it *should* be understood by
>those of a certain age or older.
>
>At one time in the US, a taxicab was called a "hack" and a taxicab
>driver was called a "hackie". The terms are used with those meanings
>in many books, and were heard in the dialog of many old movies. We,
>of course, know it came from "hackney".
>
>Today, though, a "hack" is more commonly used to describe a different
>way of doing something. Here's an article about NYC hacks:
>
>https://theculturetrip.com/usa/new-york/articles/new-york-city-hacks-even-locals-dont-know/
>
>Nothing to do with taxicabs or taxicab drivers or computers.
>
>A "hacker", though, is a person who does something to create, modify,
>or penetrate a system...usually for nefarious purpose and now by using
>a computer.
>
>That use first came to my attention in the early 1960s when phone
>hackers were finding ways to make free long distance phone calls.

I checked to see if this last comment was accurate and see that they
were called "phreakers". That may have been what they were also
called, but I was in a bar with some people in Chicago in the early
1960s who were doing this, and they referred to themselves as "phone
hackers". That may have been just a Chicago thing, or it may have
been just a thing for that group of people.

For "phreakers" see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phreaking

On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:14:10 AM UTC-5, CDB wrote:
> On 12/23/2022 11:10 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > CDB wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> >>> How did a "hacker" influence the dispatcher in the booth who
> >>> dispatches each taxi in line to the next traveler in line?
> >> The word "hackers" was put between quotation marks. It seems
> >> possible that it was a pun on "hack", meaning "taxicab",
> > Seems unlikely.
> >> and possibly also on "hacker-hackie".
> > (I don't know what that is.)
>
> Alright, "hackor - hackee". I'm tolerably sure "hackie" is understood
> as "cabbie" in the NYC umland.

Used to be, anyway.

But in Indianoplace or the Florida orland?

> >> And that the operation involved some amount of cabbage.
> > Kale.
>
> That gang's all here. I have just learned, watching the very talented
> Linda Ronstadt in _Penzance_, that the tune is Sir Arthur's.
>
> Cute as a button, too. Linda, that is.

It was an unfortunate Broadway adaptation.