On 4/12/2022 8:02 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> Tony Cooper wrote:

>>>> The fact that you picked "dumbass" as the pronoun shows how
>>>> closely you resemble PTD in your thinking and his use of
>>>> "Moron". It's equating lack of agreement with lack of the
>>>> other party's intelligence.
>>> Bullshit. When I call you "moron," it's because you did something
>>> moronic -- either saying something that is factually untrue, or
>>> drawing an utterly specious conclusion from what has been
>>> written, or selectively quoting so as to utterly distort the
>>> content of the original.

>> I don't think that fits the definition of "moronic". Aren't morons
>> reputed to be happy?

> I do not fall for the etymological fallacy. You shouldn't, either.

Etymology?

See the happy moron -
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron -
My God, perhaps I am!

>> Perhaps you meant "persecutor"? "Persequi": to follow closely, to
>> follow to the end. Tony might admit to persecuting you, not really
>> maliciously, but for comedic ends.

Or did you mean this above? The definition I quoted was not etymological.

> That is called "bullying."

I concede that bullies often bring a humorous approach to the task.
In one school, I once had to stab a bully with my pen to make him stop
laughing and sit down; if I had been holding a knife, he would have died
quickly. Oddly enough, he seemed to like me after that.

Is your behaviour here the way you dealt with bullies in school?

On 12/04/2022 1:44 pm, CDB wrote:

<snip>

> I concede that bullies often bring a humorous approach to the task.
> In one school, I once had to stab a bully with my pen to make him stop
> laughing and sit down; if I had been holding a knife, he would have died
> quickly.  Oddly enough, he seemed to like me after that.
>
> Is your behaviour here the way you dealt with bullies in school?

A beef bully intent on sex or aggression, can walk through both pen and
knife and not even notice.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

On 4/12/2022 8:48 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> CDB wrote:

> <snip>

>> I concede that bullies often bring a humorous approach to the
>> task. In one school, I once had to stab a bully with my pen to make
>> him stop laughing and sit down; if I had been holding a knife, he
>> would have died quickly. Oddly enough, he seemed to like me after
>> that.

>> Is your behaviour here the way you dealt with bullies in school?

> A beef bully intent on sex or aggression, can walk through both pen
> and knife and not even notice.

This one was a Mackenzie bully. It may have impressed him that I knew
the quickest way to his heart (as the feminists used to say).

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 8:44:40 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> On 4/12/2022 8:02 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > CDB wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>
> >>>> The fact that you picked "dumbass" as the pronoun shows how
> >>>> closely you resemble PTD in your thinking and his use of
> >>>> "Moron". It's equating lack of agreement with lack of the
> >>>> other party's intelligence.
> >>> Bullshit. When I call you "moron," it's because you did something
> >>> moronic -- either saying something that is factually untrue, or
> >>> drawing an utterly specious conclusion from what has been
> >>> written, or selectively quoting so as to utterly distort the
> >>> content of the original.
>
> >> I don't think that fits the definition of "moronic". Aren't morons
> >> reputed to be happy?
>
> > I do not fall for the etymological fallacy. You shouldn't, either.
>
> Etymology?

"Moron" supposedly entered the language as a technical term
for one level of sub-normal "intelligence." (You can check with
Damia about that concept.)

> See the happy moron -
> He doesn't give a damn.
> I wish I were a moron -
> My God, perhaps I am!
>
> >> Perhaps you meant "persecutor"? "Persequi": to follow closely, to
> >> follow to the end. Tony might admit to persecuting you, not really
> >> maliciously, but for comedic ends.
>
> Or did you mean this above? The definition I quoted was not etymological.
>
> > That is called "bullying."
>
> I concede that bullies often bring a humorous approach to the task.
> In one school, I once had to stab a bully with my pen to make him stop
> laughing and sit down; if I had been holding a knife, he would have died
> quickly. Oddly enough, he seemed to like me after that.
>
> Is your behaviour here the way you dealt with bullies in school?

There were no bullies in our Episcopal school.

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 8:44:40 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> On 4/12/2022 8:02 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > CDB wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>
> >>>> The fact that you picked "dumbass" as the pronoun shows how
> >>>> closely you resemble PTD in your thinking and his use of
> >>>> "Moron". It's equating lack of agreement with lack of the
> >>>> other party's intelligence.
> >>> Bullshit. When I call you "moron," it's because you did something
> >>> moronic -- either saying something that is factually untrue, or
> >>> drawing an utterly specious conclusion from what has been
> >>> written, or selectively quoting so as to utterly distort the
> >>> content of the original.
>
> >> I don't think that fits the definition of "moronic". Aren't morons
> >> reputed to be happy?
>
> > I do not fall for the etymological fallacy. You shouldn't, either.
>
> Etymology?
>
> See the happy moron -
> He doesn't give a damn.
> I wish I were a moron -
> My God, perhaps I am!
>
> >> Perhaps you meant "persecutor"? "Persequi": to follow closely, to
> >> follow to the end. Tony might admit to persecuting you, not really
> >> maliciously, but for comedic ends.
>
> Or did you mean this above? The definition I quoted was not etymological.
>
> > That is called "bullying."
>
> I concede that bullies often bring a humorous approach to the task.
> In one school, I once had to stab a bully with my pen to make him stop
> laughing and sit down; if I had been holding a knife, he would have died
> quickly. Oddly enough, he seemed to like me after that.
>
> Is your behaviour here the way you dealt with bullies in school?

Impossible, because nothing was online like this.

Athel Cornish-Bowden explained :
> On 2022-04-11 11:30:37 +0000, Janet said:
>
>> In article <1hmpr1yy3lxtc.dlg@mid.crommatograph.info>,
>> lispamateur@crommatograph.info says...
>>>
>>> * Janet:
>>>
>>>> In article <16jrsvi2abl33$.dlg@mid.crommatograph.info>,
>>>> lispamateur@crommatograph.info says...
>>>>>>> I think most resistance to changed or new pronouns is rooted in a
>>>>>>> fundamentally different understanding of gender, in the belief that
>>>>>>> physiology really has a significant impact on behavior,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For most people, physiology does have a significant impact on behaviour
>>>>>> ; including you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You will NEVER convince any women whose ovaries/uterus ever functioned,
>>>>>> that female physiology never had a significant effect on her behaviour.
>>>>>> Our hormones regularly cycle until we reach menopause then decrease,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> we can't fail to recognise the effects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your male physiology had a significant impact on your behaviour with
>>>>>> people who know you best, how can you be oblivious to that?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's impressive how you know with such certainty effects that
>>>>> psychologists struggle to prove experimentally.
>>>>
>>>> Male physiology had a significant effect on your behaviour, in that it
>>>> led to you impregnating a woman and becoming a father.
>>>
>>> How boring and predictable.
>>
>> Wasn't it. The truth quite often is.
>>>
>>> But let's make that interesting - by that logic, maybe I'd turn into
>>> another gender if I lost an arm (or the use of an arm.) That would
>>> certainly lead to "different behavior".
>
> The point that seems to have escaped Quinn is that the presence or absence of
> an arm is not a way of determining sex.

No, it's the clothes the empty sleeve is attached to.

>> Even less of a lesbian ?
>>
>> I knew someone who purposely amputated his own leg. He suffered from
>> body integrity identity disorder, a form of paraphilia driven by sexual
>> delusions.
>>
>> Janet

There are other causes of paraphilia, no? Such as physical damage to
certain parts of the brain? And for those where it's caused by sexual
delusions, where do the sexual delusions come from?

/dps

--
As a colleague once told me about an incoming manager,
"He does very well in a suck-up, kick-down culture."
Bill in Vancouver

Monday, Tony Cooper observed:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 01:25:18 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sunday, Tony Cooper observed:
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 20:04:06 -0400, Tony Cooper
>>> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 20:02:21 -0400, Tony Cooper
>>>> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 19:41:33 -0400, Quinn C
>>>>> <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> * Janet:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <16jrsvi2abl33$.dlg@mid.crommatograph.info>,
>>>>>>> lispamateur@crommatograph.info says...
>>>>>>>>>> I think most resistance to changed or new pronouns is rooted in a
>>>>>>>>>> fundamentally different understanding of gender, in the belief that
>>>>>>>>>> physiology really has a significant impact on behavior,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For most people, physiology does have a significant impact on
>>>>>>>>> behaviour ; including you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You will NEVER convince any women whose ovaries/uterus ever
>>>>>>>>> functioned, that female physiology never had a significant effect on
>>>>>>>>> her behaviour. Our hormones regularly cycle until we reach menopause
>>>>>>>>> then decrease, and we can't fail to recognise the effects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your male physiology had a significant impact on your behaviour with
>>>>>>>>> people who know you best, how can you be oblivious to that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's impressive how you know with such certainty effects that
>>>>>>>> psychologists struggle to prove experimentally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Male physiology had a significant effect on your behaviour, in that it
>>>>>>> led to you impregnating a woman and becoming a father.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How boring and predictable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But let's make that interesting - by that logic, maybe I'd turn into
>>>>>> another gender if I lost an arm (or the use of an arm.) That would
>>>>>> certainly lead to "different behavior". And even more than twice a week!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Another move by Quinn from the PTD Playbook: the non sequitur.
>>
>> Fuck, no, it isn't. It's a an anology, a comparison.
>
> An analogy can be a non sequitur, and this one is. When it fails as
> contribution to the discussion because it is not relatable to the
> discussion, it's a non sequitur in the form of an analogy.

Tony, I don't like the color of your blinders.

/dps

--
"This is all very fine, but let us not be carried away be excitement,
but ask calmly, how does this person feel about in in his cooler
moments next day, with six or seven thousand feet of snow and stuff on
top of him?"
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain.

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 2:49:19 PM UTC-4, snide...@gmail.com wrote:
> Monday, Tony Cooper observed:
> > On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 01:25:18 -0700, Snidely <snide...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Sunday, Tony Cooper observed:
> >>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 20:04:06 -0400, Tony Cooper
> >>> <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 20:02:21 -0400, Tony Cooper
> >>>> <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 19:41:33 -0400, Quinn C
> >>>>> <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> * Janet:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In article <16jrsvi2abl33$.d...@mid.crommatograph.info>,
> >>>>>>> lispa...@crommatograph.info says...
> >>>>>>>>>> I think most resistance to changed or new pronouns is rooted in a
> >>>>>>>>>> fundamentally different understanding of gender, in the belief that
> >>>>>>>>>> physiology really has a significant impact on behavior,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> For most people, physiology does have a significant impact on
> >>>>>>>>> behaviour ; including you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You will NEVER convince any women whose ovaries/uterus ever
> >>>>>>>>> functioned, that female physiology never had a significant effect on
> >>>>>>>>> her behaviour. Our hormones regularly cycle until we reach menopause
> >>>>>>>>> then decrease, and we can't fail to recognise the effects.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Your male physiology had a significant impact on your behaviour with
> >>>>>>>>> people who know you best, how can you be oblivious to that?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's impressive how you know with such certainty effects that
> >>>>>>>> psychologists struggle to prove experimentally.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Male physiology had a significant effect on your behaviour, in that it
> >>>>>>> led to you impregnating a woman and becoming a father.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How boring and predictable.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But let's make that interesting - by that logic, maybe I'd turn into
> >>>>>> another gender if I lost an arm (or the use of an arm.) That would
> >>>>>> certainly lead to "different behavior". And even more than twice a week!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Another move by Quinn from the PTD Playbook: the non sequitur.
> >>
> >> Fuck, no, it isn't. It's a an anology, a comparison.
> >
> > An analogy can be a non sequitur, and this one is. When it fails as
> > contribution to the discussion because it is not relatable to the
> > discussion, it's a non sequitur in the form of an analogy.
>
> Tony, I don't like the color of your blinders.

Are you going to cry about it?