On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 4:41:26 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:26:36 PM UTC+8, paul polikos wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:47:44 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:50:16 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > > > The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?
> > > >
> > > > The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
> > > > >
> > > > > The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
> > > > >
> > > > > It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal.. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
> > > > >
> > > > > Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.
> > > > >
> > > > > China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> > > > > 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> > > > > 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
> > > > >
> > > > > All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.
> > > Taiwan and 21st Century Global Politics
> > >
> > > What’s happening in Taiwan today has a broader context – Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century.
> > >
> > > The US has clearly postulated a paradigm shift in its Global Strategy for the 21st Century – from Christian-Judeao-Islamic conflict to Big Power Conflict, the big powers being US, Russia and China.
> > >
> > > For Russia the conflict is about the expansion of NATO towards the Russian border.
> > >
> > > For China , it’s more complex and involve more nations and geographical areas - India, Japan, Australia, South China Sea, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan
> > >
> > > The US-led West is planning for War on China. That’s the only way to stop the rise of China. Look at their possible plots against China and what role will they use Taiwan play in it, some of which are already implemented.
> > >
> > > Use India as a counterweight against China.
> > >
> > > Bring India into the Asia-Pacific and rename it Indo-Pacific,.
> > >
> > > Create a NATO-like alliance against China, starting with the QUAD of US, India, Japan, Australia.
> > >
> > > Create economic alliances that exclude China.
> > >
> > > For Taiwan specifically:
> > >
> > > Distance Taiwan from China. Drive a wedge between the island and the mainland.
> > >
> > > Widen their political divide. Democratise Taiwan.
> > >
> > > Arm the island with US weapons. These will first make it difficult for China to mount a military takeover. These weapons will become increasingly advanced until they can threaten the security of China.
> > >
> > > A US military base on the island.
> > >
> > > Make Taiwan a member of the Asia-Pacific version of NATO.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Most of these can happen only if Taiwan becomes an Independent Nation.. That’s the way Taiwan will go if it is not reunited with China. Never trust those Westerners when they profess that they support the One-China Policy and are against Taiwan Independence. Reunification should happen sooner rather than later. The sooner the better.
> > >
> > > Now that China has started military exercises around Taiwan, it faces a dilemma. Should they be stopped or should they be carried on until their real objective, Reunification, is reached?
> > >
> > > What will happen if China stop these exercises before their real objective is reached? The repercussions for China will be dire. The US will use the exercises to frighten the DPP government into speeding up those scenarios for Taiwan as listed above.
> > >
> > > Should China turn the military exercises to “special military operations” to reunify with Taiwan?
> > >
> > > Before doing this, China should plan and co-ordinate with other countries which are also struggling against US world hegemony - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Middle East, Afghanistan, Russia.
> > “Taiwan is a part of China” is an irrefutable fact. This needs no further argument. The problem for the Chinese is how best to reunite the island with the mainland, with the US standing in the way.
> >
> > The US interest in Taiwan lies in the value of the island as a pawn in its Big Power Conflict with China. While moving Taiwan against China, the US spins the issue to make China out to be the culprit in the eyes of the world.
> >
> > “China cannot unilaterally change the status quo”
> > “Reunification should only be achieved through peaceful means”
> > “China is disturbing regional and world peace.”
> >
> > In their might-makes-right world, the Westerners believe they have the might, and therefore the right, to decide when and how China should reunite with Taiwan, if at all. According to their “rule-based world order”, China must follow their rules if it wants to reunite with Taiwan without disturbing the world order. The catch-22 is that China will never be reunited with Taiwan if it were to follow Western rules.
> >
> > Since Taiwan is a part of China, its reunification with China is irrefutably the internal affair of China. No other nation should meddle in this. China does not have to seek approval from other nations in the world on how it will bring about reunification.
> >
> > But the Westerners are telling China this:
> > What is rightly yours will not belong to you unless you have the might to own it.
> >
> > It’s true that China does not have the might et to take on the US alone. The US can integrate its might with other like-minded democratic nations to form a coalition. To take them on, China too needs to form a coalition with other willing nations. There are many from those who are against US regional and world hegemony.
> >
> > Alone or in coalition with other nations, China must reunite with Taiwan.To allow Western Powers to split Taiwan from China now is no different from not being able to prevent them from carving up China in the 19th-20th Century. It means the Chinese is still as weak as they were during those unfortunate times in their history.
> No matter what it takes China to do, it has to reunite Taiwan. AS Taiwan belongs to China and if the Taiwan people and its self-proclaimed leaders wish to leave Taiwan, they can do so.

On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 2:13:20 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 4:41:26 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:26:36 PM UTC+8, paul polikos wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:47:44 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:50:16 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > > > > The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?
> > > > >
> > > > > The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> > > > > > 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> > > > > > 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.
> > > > Taiwan and 21st Century Global Politics
> > > >
> > > > What’s happening in Taiwan today has a broader context – Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century.
> > > >
> > > > The US has clearly postulated a paradigm shift in its Global Strategy for the 21st Century – from Christian-Judeao-Islamic conflict to Big Power Conflict, the big powers being US, Russia and China.
> > > >
> > > > For Russia the conflict is about the expansion of NATO towards the Russian border.
> > > >
> > > > For China , it’s more complex and involve more nations and geographical areas - India, Japan, Australia, South China Sea, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan
> > > >
> > > > The US-led West is planning for War on China. That’s the only way to stop the rise of China. Look at their possible plots against China and what role will they use Taiwan play in it, some of which are already implemented.
> > > >
> > > > Use India as a counterweight against China.
> > > >
> > > > Bring India into the Asia-Pacific and rename it Indo-Pacific,.
> > > >
> > > > Create a NATO-like alliance against China, starting with the QUAD of US, India, Japan, Australia.
> > > >
> > > > Create economic alliances that exclude China.
> > > >
> > > > For Taiwan specifically:
> > > >
> > > > Distance Taiwan from China. Drive a wedge between the island and the mainland.
> > > >
> > > > Widen their political divide. Democratise Taiwan.
> > > >
> > > > Arm the island with US weapons. These will first make it difficult for China to mount a military takeover. These weapons will become increasingly advanced until they can threaten the security of China.
> > > >
> > > > A US military base on the island.
> > > >
> > > > Make Taiwan a member of the Asia-Pacific version of NATO.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Most of these can happen only if Taiwan becomes an Independent Nation. That’s the way Taiwan will go if it is not reunited with China. Never trust those Westerners when they profess that they support the One-China Policy and are against Taiwan Independence. Reunification should happen sooner rather than later. The sooner the better.
> > > >
> > > > Now that China has started military exercises around Taiwan, it faces a dilemma. Should they be stopped or should they be carried on until their real objective, Reunification, is reached?
> > > >
> > > > What will happen if China stop these exercises before their real objective is reached? The repercussions for China will be dire. The US will use the exercises to frighten the DPP government into speeding up those scenarios for Taiwan as listed above.
> > > >
> > > > Should China turn the military exercises to “special military operations” to reunify with Taiwan?
> > > >
> > > > Before doing this, China should plan and co-ordinate with other countries which are also struggling against US world hegemony - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Middle East, Afghanistan, Russia.
> > > “Taiwan is a part of China” is an irrefutable fact. This needs no further argument. The problem for the Chinese is how best to reunite the island with the mainland, with the US standing in the way.
> > >
> > > The US interest in Taiwan lies in the value of the island as a pawn in its Big Power Conflict with China. While moving Taiwan against China, the US spins the issue to make China out to be the culprit in the eyes of the world.
> > >
> > > “China cannot unilaterally change the status quo”
> > > “Reunification should only be achieved through peaceful means”
> > > “China is disturbing regional and world peace.”
> > >
> > > In their might-makes-right world, the Westerners believe they have the might, and therefore the right, to decide when and how China should reunite with Taiwan, if at all. According to their “rule-based world order”, China must follow their rules if it wants to reunite with Taiwan without disturbing the world order. The catch-22 is that China will never be reunited with Taiwan if it were to follow Western rules.
> > >
> > > Since Taiwan is a part of China, its reunification with China is irrefutably the internal affair of China. No other nation should meddle in this.. China does not have to seek approval from other nations in the world on how it will bring about reunification.
> > >
> > > But the Westerners are telling China this:
> > > What is rightly yours will not belong to you unless you have the might to own it.
> > >
> > > It’s true that China does not have the might et to take on the US alone. The US can integrate its might with other like-minded democratic nations to form a coalition. To take them on, China too needs to form a coalition with other willing nations. There are many from those who are against US regional and world hegemony.
> > >
> > > Alone or in coalition with other nations, China must reunite with Taiwan.To allow Western Powers to split Taiwan from China now is no different from not being able to prevent them from carving up China in the 19th-20th Century. It means the Chinese is still as weak as they were during those unfortunate times in their history.
> > No matter what it takes China to do, it has to reunite Taiwan. AS Taiwan belongs to China and if the Taiwan people and its self-proclaimed leaders wish to leave Taiwan, they can do so.
> WILL TAIWAN REUNITE WITH CHINA?
>
> After going through a turbulent period of street protests and agitations for Independence from China, Hong Kong is now definitely reunited with China, under a One-Country-Two-Systems model of governance. But China should not expect a similar reunification model for Taiwan. There are various reasons for the failure of the Hong Kong Independent Movement. Most important of all is that it did not have the support of the HKSAR government. In Taiwan, the Movement for Taiwan Independent(TI) has been well established over decades. Its political wing, the DPP, has won elections to rule Taiwan for years. Reunification with Taiwan will not be as easy as it is for Hong Kong.
>
> What is China up against in its Reunification with Taiwan? This can be broadly analysed as Internal and External Forces.
>
>
> INTERNAL FORCES
>
> In Taiwan, there are two main parties – KMT and DPP, each with different principles regarding reunification and independence.
> KMT - anti-Independent but Reunification only on its terms, which is that it will be the government of a reunited China.
> DPP - anti-Reunification, pro-Independent.
>
> EXTERNAL FORCES
>
> The external forces preventing Reunification is much bigger and stronger than the internal forces. It’s a US-led international coalition of democracies consisting mostly of Western nations and some Asian ones which have territorial disputes with China.
>
> The rise of China has made it a threat to the US-led West. In this 21st century, the US Global Strategy emphasises Big Power Conflict between the US, Russia and China. The US and China are now in open conflicts in many areas. In these conflicts, the US is using Taiwan as a pawn to move against China and the issue of Reunification is China’s problem it can manipulate and exploit to its advantage. US has no wish to see Reunification. It is against US’s national interest. Reunification will turn China into a bigger threat to US regional and world hegemony.
>
> Internal and external forces are working together to split Taiwan from China. Whenever China counters their moves, it is accused of trying to change the status quo unilaterally.
>
>
> WHAT IS TAIWAN’S STATUS QUO?
> Under current status quo of DPP rule, Taiwan’s anti-China, anti-Reunification and pro-Independent stance is most pronounced. The DPP boldly declares that Taiwan is an Independent Nation the future of which can only be decided by the people on the island. It is in collusion with the US to bring about separation and independence.
>
> The DPP government acts against China whenever and wherever it can. It spends big to boost its defence against China with weapons purchases from US. It actively pushes to expand it’s international space, with help from US. It allows US governmental organisations and NGOs based on the island to carry out covert operations against China. Politicians from the democratic world, especially the US, are permitted to visit Taiwan in defiance of China’s sovereignty over the island. The most sinister plot of the DPP government against China concerns the island population. It carries out policies and social engineering programs to change the identity of the people on the island, from being Chinese to being Taiwanese.
>
> Status quo will lead Taiwan towards separation and independence. This is not acceptable to China. Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. Internal forces within Taiwan do not want it. Neither do external forces. Instead, they are working hard together to bring about separation and independence.
>
>
> MILITARY OPTION IS THE ONLY CHOICE
> MILITARY EXERCISES
> The Chinese responds to intolerable provocations from Taiwan by mounting military exercises aimed at the island. These exercises have their pros and cons. They expose Chinese war strategies and tactics, making preemptive strikes in the future more difficult. While such exercises can only be temporary, their negative effects on the population are more permanent. “China is a bully that makes our lives difficult” stays on the mind of the people long after the exercises ended. How the exercises ended has their effects too. If they end without any damage to the island, those supporters of TI will ridicule China for being a paper tiger which can only roar but not bite. This emboldens them to become more defiant towards China and to seek more protections from the US.
>
>
> OPEN WAR?
> Since the start of Russia’s “special military operations” in Ukraine, the US has raised the specter of China starting similar operations in Taiwan. This has the intended effect of the DPP regime seeking more political and military supports from the US and purchasing more arms from the US. This causes tension between the island and China to spiral upward.
>
> Should China mount an open war to take over the island? It would be China vs US-led democratic coalition, with Taiwan as the proxy. It will be like Russia vs Ukraine. The hit back will not be just military but also economic, cultural...everything. China would face economic sanctions and international isolation. It will be Chinese-killing-Chinese, with the non-Chinese, especially the Americans, only too happy to supply weapons to Taiwan. Taiwan will suffer the most in such a war. Unlike in Ukraine, the US would put boots on the ground in Taiwan because when it comes to the crunch, the US nuclear arsenal is much bigger than that of China.
>
> It would be challenging for China alone to take on a US-led democratic coalition. China too will have to form its own coalition with like-minded nations or co-ordinate with these nations to start their own military operations against their US-backed enemies. This will spread thin the US military might.
>
> Another factor for Chinanto consider before starting the war is this. Is it wise for China to start a war at its own front yard, with American bases and American allies so close by? The US can also co-ordinate with its allies to start military operations against China simultaneously. In such a war, Mainland China is vulnerable to attacks while Mainland USA is not.
>
>
> WINNING THE HEARTS AND MIND OF THE PEOPLE.
> China may be able to take over Taiwan by force but winning over the hearts and mind of the people on the island after that will be another matter. The dilemma is that this will also become more difficult if the island were to be left under DPP rule. Every DPP government has initiated policies and social engineering programs to change the hearts and mind of the people on the island negatively towards China. These programs aim to break the bonds of common ancestry and racial root between the people on both sides of the strait. Starting from young, children in schools are being indoctrinated to believe that they are different from people on the mainland, that they are Taiwanese, not Chinese. Youngsters are indoctrinated to look upon China as enemy, to be prepared to sacrifice themselves to fight against the Chinese to protect their homeland of Taiwan.
>
>
>
> MILITARY SUPREMACY
> Ultimately, might, especially military might, will provide the solution. Once China becomes the mightiest military power, its enemies now will become its friends. People on both sides of the strait will prefer the regime on the mainland over the one on the island.
>
> China is still lagging the US in military might. It has to build up its nuclear arsenal, its naval and air forces. All in, it has to be able to project its military might into the US neighborhood and fight a war on US soil.
>
> Without the US, Taiwan’s defenses become nothing. The DPP knows it. To solve the Taiwan problem is to get the US out of the way. This does not necessarily mean ending up with the Americans prediction of “War with China”. All the Chinese have to do is to prove beyond doubt that Chinese military might can leapfrog all those rings of defences that the Americans have build around China and go for the jugular, i.e., the US Mainland. No Americans would want their homeland sacrificed in any way to save Taiwan.
>
>
> CONCLUSION
> Leaving Taiwan at status quo means allowing it to move unimpeded towards Independence. Due to US Global Strategy, Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. The military option is what’s left for China. The question is when. Has China become strong and powerful enough to start a war over Taiwan?

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 1:36:04 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 2:13:20 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 4:41:26 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:26:36 PM UTC+8, paul polikos wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:47:44 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:50:16 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > > > > > The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> > > > > > > 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> > > > > > > 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification.. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.
> > > > > Taiwan and 21st Century Global Politics
> > > > >
> > > > > What’s happening in Taiwan today has a broader context – Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century.
> > > > >
> > > > > The US has clearly postulated a paradigm shift in its Global Strategy for the 21st Century – from Christian-Judeao-Islamic conflict to Big Power Conflict, the big powers being US, Russia and China.
> > > > >
> > > > > For Russia the conflict is about the expansion of NATO towards the Russian border.
> > > > >
> > > > > For China , it’s more complex and involve more nations and geographical areas - India, Japan, Australia, South China Sea, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan
> > > > >
> > > > > The US-led West is planning for War on China. That’s the only way to stop the rise of China. Look at their possible plots against China and what role will they use Taiwan play in it, some of which are already implemented.
> > > > >
> > > > > Use India as a counterweight against China.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bring India into the Asia-Pacific and rename it Indo-Pacific,.
> > > > >
> > > > > Create a NATO-like alliance against China, starting with the QUAD of US, India, Japan, Australia.
> > > > >
> > > > > Create economic alliances that exclude China.
> > > > >
> > > > > For Taiwan specifically:
> > > > >
> > > > > Distance Taiwan from China. Drive a wedge between the island and the mainland.
> > > > >
> > > > > Widen their political divide. Democratise Taiwan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Arm the island with US weapons. These will first make it difficult for China to mount a military takeover. These weapons will become increasingly advanced until they can threaten the security of China.
> > > > >
> > > > > A US military base on the island.
> > > > >
> > > > > Make Taiwan a member of the Asia-Pacific version of NATO.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Most of these can happen only if Taiwan becomes an Independent Nation. That’s the way Taiwan will go if it is not reunited with China. Never trust those Westerners when they profess that they support the One-China Policy and are against Taiwan Independence. Reunification should happen sooner rather than later. The sooner the better.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that China has started military exercises around Taiwan, it faces a dilemma. Should they be stopped or should they be carried on until their real objective, Reunification, is reached?
> > > > >
> > > > > What will happen if China stop these exercises before their real objective is reached? The repercussions for China will be dire. The US will use the exercises to frighten the DPP government into speeding up those scenarios for Taiwan as listed above.
> > > > >
> > > > > Should China turn the military exercises to “special military operations” to reunify with Taiwan?
> > > > >
> > > > > Before doing this, China should plan and co-ordinate with other countries which are also struggling against US world hegemony - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Middle East, Afghanistan, Russia.
> > > > “Taiwan is a part of China” is an irrefutable fact. This needs no further argument. The problem for the Chinese is how best to reunite the island with the mainland, with the US standing in the way.
> > > >
> > > > The US interest in Taiwan lies in the value of the island as a pawn in its Big Power Conflict with China. While moving Taiwan against China, the US spins the issue to make China out to be the culprit in the eyes of the world.
> > > >
> > > > “China cannot unilaterally change the status quo”
> > > > “Reunification should only be achieved through peaceful means”
> > > > “China is disturbing regional and world peace.”
> > > >
> > > > In their might-makes-right world, the Westerners believe they have the might, and therefore the right, to decide when and how China should reunite with Taiwan, if at all. According to their “rule-based world order”, China must follow their rules if it wants to reunite with Taiwan without disturbing the world order. The catch-22 is that China will never be reunited with Taiwan if it were to follow Western rules.
> > > >
> > > > Since Taiwan is a part of China, its reunification with China is irrefutably the internal affair of China. No other nation should meddle in this. China does not have to seek approval from other nations in the world on how it will bring about reunification.
> > > >
> > > > But the Westerners are telling China this:
> > > > What is rightly yours will not belong to you unless you have the might to own it.
> > > >
> > > > It’s true that China does not have the might et to take on the US alone. The US can integrate its might with other like-minded democratic nations to form a coalition. To take them on, China too needs to form a coalition with other willing nations. There are many from those who are against US regional and world hegemony.
> > > >
> > > > Alone or in coalition with other nations, China must reunite with Taiwan.To allow Western Powers to split Taiwan from China now is no different from not being able to prevent them from carving up China in the 19th-20th Century. It means the Chinese is still as weak as they were during those unfortunate times in their history.
> > > No matter what it takes China to do, it has to reunite Taiwan. AS Taiwan belongs to China and if the Taiwan people and its self-proclaimed leaders wish to leave Taiwan, they can do so.
> > WILL TAIWAN REUNITE WITH CHINA?
> >
> > After going through a turbulent period of street protests and agitations for Independence from China, Hong Kong is now definitely reunited with China, under a One-Country-Two-Systems model of governance. But China should not expect a similar reunification model for Taiwan. There are various reasons for the failure of the Hong Kong Independent Movement. Most important of all is that it did not have the support of the HKSAR government. In Taiwan, the Movement for Taiwan Independent(TI) has been well established over decades. Its political wing, the DPP, has won elections to rule Taiwan for years. Reunification with Taiwan will not be as easy as it is for Hong Kong.
> >
> > What is China up against in its Reunification with Taiwan? This can be broadly analysed as Internal and External Forces.
> >
> >
> > INTERNAL FORCES
> >
> > In Taiwan, there are two main parties – KMT and DPP, each with different principles regarding reunification and independence.
> > KMT - anti-Independent but Reunification only on its terms, which is that it will be the government of a reunited China.
> > DPP - anti-Reunification, pro-Independent.
> >
> > EXTERNAL FORCES
> >
> > The external forces preventing Reunification is much bigger and stronger than the internal forces. It’s a US-led international coalition of democracies consisting mostly of Western nations and some Asian ones which have territorial disputes with China.
> >
> > The rise of China has made it a threat to the US-led West. In this 21st century, the US Global Strategy emphasises Big Power Conflict between the US, Russia and China. The US and China are now in open conflicts in many areas. In these conflicts, the US is using Taiwan as a pawn to move against China and the issue of Reunification is China’s problem it can manipulate and exploit to its advantage. US has no wish to see Reunification. It is against US’s national interest. Reunification will turn China into a bigger threat to US regional and world hegemony.
> >
> > Internal and external forces are working together to split Taiwan from China. Whenever China counters their moves, it is accused of trying to change the status quo unilaterally.
> >
> >
> > WHAT IS TAIWAN’S STATUS QUO?
> > Under current status quo of DPP rule, Taiwan’s anti-China, anti-Reunification and pro-Independent stance is most pronounced. The DPP boldly declares that Taiwan is an Independent Nation the future of which can only be decided by the people on the island. It is in collusion with the US to bring about separation and independence.
> >
> > The DPP government acts against China whenever and wherever it can. It spends big to boost its defence against China with weapons purchases from US. It actively pushes to expand it’s international space, with help from US. It allows US governmental organisations and NGOs based on the island to carry out covert operations against China. Politicians from the democratic world, especially the US, are permitted to visit Taiwan in defiance of China’s sovereignty over the island. The most sinister plot of the DPP government against China concerns the island population. It carries out policies and social engineering programs to change the identity of the people on the island, from being Chinese to being Taiwanese.
> >
> > Status quo will lead Taiwan towards separation and independence. This is not acceptable to China. Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. Internal forces within Taiwan do not want it. Neither do external forces. Instead, they are working hard together to bring about separation and independence.
> >
> >
> > MILITARY OPTION IS THE ONLY CHOICE
> > MILITARY EXERCISES
> > The Chinese responds to intolerable provocations from Taiwan by mounting military exercises aimed at the island. These exercises have their pros and cons. They expose Chinese war strategies and tactics, making preemptive strikes in the future more difficult. While such exercises can only be temporary, their negative effects on the population are more permanent. “China is a bully that makes our lives difficult” stays on the mind of the people long after the exercises ended. How the exercises ended has their effects too. If they end without any damage to the island, those supporters of TI will ridicule China for being a paper tiger which can only roar but not bite. This emboldens them to become more defiant towards China and to seek more protections from the US.
> >
> >
> > OPEN WAR?
> > Since the start of Russia’s “special military operations” in Ukraine, the US has raised the specter of China starting similar operations in Taiwan. This has the intended effect of the DPP regime seeking more political and military supports from the US and purchasing more arms from the US. This causes tension between the island and China to spiral upward.
> >
> > Should China mount an open war to take over the island? It would be China vs US-led democratic coalition, with Taiwan as the proxy. It will be like Russia vs Ukraine. The hit back will not be just military but also economic, cultural...everything. China would face economic sanctions and international isolation. It will be Chinese-killing-Chinese, with the non-Chinese, especially the Americans, only too happy to supply weapons to Taiwan. Taiwan will suffer the most in such a war. Unlike in Ukraine, the US would put boots on the ground in Taiwan because when it comes to the crunch, the US nuclear arsenal is much bigger than that of China.
> >
> > It would be challenging for China alone to take on a US-led democratic coalition. China too will have to form its own coalition with like-minded nations or co-ordinate with these nations to start their own military operations against their US-backed enemies. This will spread thin the US military might.
> >
> > Another factor for Chinanto consider before starting the war is this. Is it wise for China to start a war at its own front yard, with American bases and American allies so close by? The US can also co-ordinate with its allies to start military operations against China simultaneously. In such a war, Mainland China is vulnerable to attacks while Mainland USA is not.
> >
> >
> > WINNING THE HEARTS AND MIND OF THE PEOPLE.
> > China may be able to take over Taiwan by force but winning over the hearts and mind of the people on the island after that will be another matter. The dilemma is that this will also become more difficult if the island were to be left under DPP rule. Every DPP government has initiated policies and social engineering programs to change the hearts and mind of the people on the island negatively towards China. These programs aim to break the bonds of common ancestry and racial root between the people on both sides of the strait. Starting from young, children in schools are being indoctrinated to believe that they are different from people on the mainland, that they are Taiwanese, not Chinese. Youngsters are indoctrinated to look upon China as enemy, to be prepared to sacrifice themselves to fight against the Chinese to protect their homeland of Taiwan.
> >
> >
> >
> > MILITARY SUPREMACY
> > Ultimately, might, especially military might, will provide the solution.. Once China becomes the mightiest military power, its enemies now will become its friends. People on both sides of the strait will prefer the regime on the mainland over the one on the island.
> >
> > China is still lagging the US in military might. It has to build up its nuclear arsenal, its naval and air forces. All in, it has to be able to project its military might into the US neighborhood and fight a war on US soil.
> >
> > Without the US, Taiwan’s defenses become nothing. The DPP knows it. To solve the Taiwan problem is to get the US out of the way. This does not necessarily mean ending up with the Americans prediction of “War with China”. All the Chinese have to do is to prove beyond doubt that Chinese military might can leapfrog all those rings of defences that the Americans have build around China and go for the jugular, i.e., the US Mainland. No Americans would want their homeland sacrificed in any way to save Taiwan.
> >
> >
> > CONCLUSION
> > Leaving Taiwan at status quo means allowing it to move unimpeded towards Independence. Due to US Global Strategy, Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. The military option is what’s left for China. The question is when. Has China become strong and powerful enough to start a war over Taiwan?
> When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
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> All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
>
>
> China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time. This will help to deter US provocations.
>
> When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
>
> All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
>
> China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time.

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 9:05:23 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 1:36:04 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 2:13:20 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 4:41:26 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:26:36 PM UTC+8, paul polikos wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:47:44 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:50:16 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > > > > > > The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might.. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> > > > > > > > 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> > > > > > > > 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.
> > > > > > Taiwan and 21st Century Global Politics
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What’s happening in Taiwan today has a broader context – Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The US has clearly postulated a paradigm shift in its Global Strategy for the 21st Century – from Christian-Judeao-Islamic conflict to Big Power Conflict, the big powers being US, Russia and China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For Russia the conflict is about the expansion of NATO towards the Russian border.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For China , it’s more complex and involve more nations and geographical areas - India, Japan, Australia, South China Sea, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The US-led West is planning for War on China. That’s the only way to stop the rise of China. Look at their possible plots against China and what role will they use Taiwan play in it, some of which are already implemented.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Use India as a counterweight against China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bring India into the Asia-Pacific and rename it Indo-Pacific,.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Create a NATO-like alliance against China, starting with the QUAD of US, India, Japan, Australia.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Create economic alliances that exclude China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For Taiwan specifically:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Distance Taiwan from China. Drive a wedge between the island and the mainland.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Widen their political divide. Democratise Taiwan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arm the island with US weapons. These will first make it difficult for China to mount a military takeover. These weapons will become increasingly advanced until they can threaten the security of China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A US military base on the island.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Make Taiwan a member of the Asia-Pacific version of NATO.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most of these can happen only if Taiwan becomes an Independent Nation. That’s the way Taiwan will go if it is not reunited with China. Never trust those Westerners when they profess that they support the One-China Policy and are against Taiwan Independence. Reunification should happen sooner rather than later. The sooner the better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now that China has started military exercises around Taiwan, it faces a dilemma. Should they be stopped or should they be carried on until their real objective, Reunification, is reached?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What will happen if China stop these exercises before their real objective is reached? The repercussions for China will be dire. The US will use the exercises to frighten the DPP government into speeding up those scenarios for Taiwan as listed above.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Should China turn the military exercises to “special military operations” to reunify with Taiwan?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before doing this, China should plan and co-ordinate with other countries which are also struggling against US world hegemony - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Middle East, Afghanistan, Russia.
> > > > > “Taiwan is a part of China” is an irrefutable fact. This needs no further argument. The problem for the Chinese is how best to reunite the island with the mainland, with the US standing in the way.
> > > > >
> > > > > The US interest in Taiwan lies in the value of the island as a pawn in its Big Power Conflict with China. While moving Taiwan against China, the US spins the issue to make China out to be the culprit in the eyes of the world.
> > > > >
> > > > > “China cannot unilaterally change the status quo”
> > > > > “Reunification should only be achieved through peaceful means”
> > > > > “China is disturbing regional and world peace.”
> > > > >
> > > > > In their might-makes-right world, the Westerners believe they have the might, and therefore the right, to decide when and how China should reunite with Taiwan, if at all. According to their “rule-based world order”, China must follow their rules if it wants to reunite with Taiwan without disturbing the world order. The catch-22 is that China will never be reunited with Taiwan if it were to follow Western rules.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since Taiwan is a part of China, its reunification with China is irrefutably the internal affair of China. No other nation should meddle in this. China does not have to seek approval from other nations in the world on how it will bring about reunification.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the Westerners are telling China this:
> > > > > What is rightly yours will not belong to you unless you have the might to own it.
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s true that China does not have the might et to take on the US alone. The US can integrate its might with other like-minded democratic nations to form a coalition. To take them on, China too needs to form a coalition with other willing nations. There are many from those who are against US regional and world hegemony.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alone or in coalition with other nations, China must reunite with Taiwan.To allow Western Powers to split Taiwan from China now is no different from not being able to prevent them from carving up China in the 19th-20th Century. It means the Chinese is still as weak as they were during those unfortunate times in their history.
> > > > No matter what it takes China to do, it has to reunite Taiwan. AS Taiwan belongs to China and if the Taiwan people and its self-proclaimed leaders wish to leave Taiwan, they can do so.
> > > WILL TAIWAN REUNITE WITH CHINA?
> > >
> > > After going through a turbulent period of street protests and agitations for Independence from China, Hong Kong is now definitely reunited with China, under a One-Country-Two-Systems model of governance. But China should not expect a similar reunification model for Taiwan. There are various reasons for the failure of the Hong Kong Independent Movement. Most important of all is that it did not have the support of the HKSAR government. In Taiwan, the Movement for Taiwan Independent(TI) has been well established over decades. Its political wing, the DPP, has won elections to rule Taiwan for years. Reunification with Taiwan will not be as easy as it is for Hong Kong.
> > >
> > > What is China up against in its Reunification with Taiwan? This can be broadly analysed as Internal and External Forces.
> > >
> > >
> > > INTERNAL FORCES
> > >
> > > In Taiwan, there are two main parties – KMT and DPP, each with different principles regarding reunification and independence.
> > > KMT - anti-Independent but Reunification only on its terms, which is that it will be the government of a reunited China.
> > > DPP - anti-Reunification, pro-Independent.
> > >
> > > EXTERNAL FORCES
> > >
> > > The external forces preventing Reunification is much bigger and stronger than the internal forces. It’s a US-led international coalition of democracies consisting mostly of Western nations and some Asian ones which have territorial disputes with China.
> > >
> > > The rise of China has made it a threat to the US-led West. In this 21st century, the US Global Strategy emphasises Big Power Conflict between the US, Russia and China. The US and China are now in open conflicts in many areas. In these conflicts, the US is using Taiwan as a pawn to move against China and the issue of Reunification is China’s problem it can manipulate and exploit to its advantage. US has no wish to see Reunification. It is against US’s national interest. Reunification will turn China into a bigger threat to US regional and world hegemony.
> > >
> > > Internal and external forces are working together to split Taiwan from China. Whenever China counters their moves, it is accused of trying to change the status quo unilaterally.
> > >
> > >
> > > WHAT IS TAIWAN’S STATUS QUO?
> > > Under current status quo of DPP rule, Taiwan’s anti-China, anti-Reunification and pro-Independent stance is most pronounced. The DPP boldly declares that Taiwan is an Independent Nation the future of which can only be decided by the people on the island. It is in collusion with the US to bring about separation and independence.
> > >
> > > The DPP government acts against China whenever and wherever it can. It spends big to boost its defence against China with weapons purchases from US. It actively pushes to expand it’s international space, with help from US. It allows US governmental organisations and NGOs based on the island to carry out covert operations against China. Politicians from the democratic world, especially the US, are permitted to visit Taiwan in defiance of China’s sovereignty over the island. The most sinister plot of the DPP government against China concerns the island population. It carries out policies and social engineering programs to change the identity of the people on the island, from being Chinese to being Taiwanese.
> > >
> > > Status quo will lead Taiwan towards separation and independence. This is not acceptable to China. Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. Internal forces within Taiwan do not want it. Neither do external forces. Instead, they are working hard together to bring about separation and independence..
> > >
> > >
> > > MILITARY OPTION IS THE ONLY CHOICE
> > > MILITARY EXERCISES
> > > The Chinese responds to intolerable provocations from Taiwan by mounting military exercises aimed at the island. These exercises have their pros and cons. They expose Chinese war strategies and tactics, making preemptive strikes in the future more difficult. While such exercises can only be temporary, their negative effects on the population are more permanent. “China is a bully that makes our lives difficult” stays on the mind of the people long after the exercises ended. How the exercises ended has their effects too. If they end without any damage to the island, those supporters of TI will ridicule China for being a paper tiger which can only roar but not bite. This emboldens them to become more defiant towards China and to seek more protections from the US.
> > >
> > >
> > > OPEN WAR?
> > > Since the start of Russia’s “special military operations” in Ukraine, the US has raised the specter of China starting similar operations in Taiwan. This has the intended effect of the DPP regime seeking more political and military supports from the US and purchasing more arms from the US. This causes tension between the island and China to spiral upward.
> > >
> > > Should China mount an open war to take over the island? It would be China vs US-led democratic coalition, with Taiwan as the proxy. It will be like Russia vs Ukraine. The hit back will not be just military but also economic, cultural...everything. China would face economic sanctions and international isolation. It will be Chinese-killing-Chinese, with the non-Chinese, especially the Americans, only too happy to supply weapons to Taiwan. Taiwan will suffer the most in such a war. Unlike in Ukraine, the US would put boots on the ground in Taiwan because when it comes to the crunch, the US nuclear arsenal is much bigger than that of China.
> > >
> > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on a US-led democratic coalition. China too will have to form its own coalition with like-minded nations or co-ordinate with these nations to start their own military operations against their US-backed enemies. This will spread thin the US military might.
> > >
> > > Another factor for Chinanto consider before starting the war is this. Is it wise for China to start a war at its own front yard, with American bases and American allies so close by? The US can also co-ordinate with its allies to start military operations against China simultaneously. In such a war, Mainland China is vulnerable to attacks while Mainland USA is not.
> > >
> > >
> > > WINNING THE HEARTS AND MIND OF THE PEOPLE.
> > > China may be able to take over Taiwan by force but winning over the hearts and mind of the people on the island after that will be another matter. The dilemma is that this will also become more difficult if the island were to be left under DPP rule. Every DPP government has initiated policies and social engineering programs to change the hearts and mind of the people on the island negatively towards China. These programs aim to break the bonds of common ancestry and racial root between the people on both sides of the strait. Starting from young, children in schools are being indoctrinated to believe that they are different from people on the mainland, that they are Taiwanese, not Chinese. Youngsters are indoctrinated to look upon China as enemy, to be prepared to sacrifice themselves to fight against the Chinese to protect their homeland of Taiwan.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > MILITARY SUPREMACY
> > > Ultimately, might, especially military might, will provide the solution. Once China becomes the mightiest military power, its enemies now will become its friends. People on both sides of the strait will prefer the regime on the mainland over the one on the island.
> > >
> > > China is still lagging the US in military might. It has to build up its nuclear arsenal, its naval and air forces. All in, it has to be able to project its military might into the US neighborhood and fight a war on US soil.
> > >
> > > Without the US, Taiwan’s defenses become nothing. The DPP knows it. To solve the Taiwan problem is to get the US out of the way. This does not necessarily mean ending up with the Americans prediction of “War with China”. All the Chinese have to do is to prove beyond doubt that Chinese military might can leapfrog all those rings of defences that the Americans have build around China and go for the jugular, i.e., the US Mainland. No Americans would want their homeland sacrificed in any way to save Taiwan.
> > >
> > >
> > > CONCLUSION
> > > Leaving Taiwan at status quo means allowing it to move unimpeded towards Independence. Due to US Global Strategy, Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. The military option is what’s left for China. The question is when. Has China become strong and powerful enough to start a war over Taiwan?
> > When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
> >
> >
> > All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
> >
> >
> > China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time. This will help to deter US provocations.
> >
> > When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
> >
> > All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
> >
> > China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time.
> What will an independent Taiwan be like? Should China wait for it to happen?
>
> An independent Taiwan will be a small nation. No matter how independent a small nation believes itself to be, it will always have to depend on bigger and more powerful ones.
>
> An independent Taiwan will be nothing but a US-dependent territory, like some of those strings of Pacific Islands. Its economy will largely depend on US trade, investments and market. Its defense and security will depend on US military might. An independent Taiwan will become a bastion of Western Powers. It will host military bases of US-and-allies. Japan and India will be two of those allies.
>
> Changing The Population
> As it is now, the US-and-allies consider Taiwan’s population too Chinese for comfort. To them, the DPP government social engineering policies to indoctrinate the people on the island to believe that they are Taiwanese rather than Chinese are good and necessary but not sufficient. To be more on the safe side, US-and-allies would want a drastic change in the ethnic composition of the population. They would want to see a more diverse and inclusive population where the Chinese will make up only one of many ethnicity. Immigration will be the way to this end. The DPP will be pressured to accept many more non-Chinese immigrants. Priorities will be given to those from the nations of the QUAD. Japan will be very keen to participate in such a scheme. Its an opportunity for the Japs to relive their colonial past in Taiwan. It will be a godsend for India where the population growth is out-of-control. Following the change in the ethnic mix of the population will come the cultural change. US-and-allies will push for the “melting pot” model where people of various ethnicity will have one Westernised, English-speaking culture. With such a population, Taiwan can easily become an anti-China and anti-Chinese Rebel Island.
>
>
> Those occasional China’s military exercises are not helping to prevent the above scenario from happenning. Instead they provide accuses for the US and the DPP government to work together to push Taiwan towards such a scenario. In respond to the exercises, more American and European politicians are visiting Taiwan and the US will speed up its arms sales to Taiwan. That schoolgirl President of Taiwan is talking and acting tough. When the first bomb is dropped, she will run to hide underneath her bed and wet her pants.
>
>
> Recently there was an announcement of Taiwan recruiting more foreign workers.
>
> https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3190982/why-taiwan-suddenly-needs-400000-foreign-workers-critical
>
> They will be the new immigrants and most will be non-Chinese.
>
>
> How long can China wait when Taiwan is turning into an anti-China anti-Chinese polity by the day?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/19/asia/biden-us-troops-defend-taiwan-intl-hnk/index.html

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:12:58 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 9:05:23 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 1:36:04 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 2:13:20 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 4:41:26 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:26:36 PM UTC+8, paul polikos wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:47:44 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:50:16 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > > > > > > > The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island.. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese.. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> > > > > > > > > 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> > > > > > > > > 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.
> > > > > > > Taiwan and 21st Century Global Politics
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What’s happening in Taiwan today has a broader context – Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The US has clearly postulated a paradigm shift in its Global Strategy for the 21st Century – from Christian-Judeao-Islamic conflict to Big Power Conflict, the big powers being US, Russia and China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For Russia the conflict is about the expansion of NATO towards the Russian border.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For China , it’s more complex and involve more nations and geographical areas - India, Japan, Australia, South China Sea, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The US-led West is planning for War on China. That’s the only way to stop the rise of China. Look at their possible plots against China and what role will they use Taiwan play in it, some of which are already implemented.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Use India as a counterweight against China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bring India into the Asia-Pacific and rename it Indo-Pacific,..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Create a NATO-like alliance against China, starting with the QUAD of US, India, Japan, Australia.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Create economic alliances that exclude China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For Taiwan specifically:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Distance Taiwan from China. Drive a wedge between the island and the mainland.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Widen their political divide. Democratise Taiwan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Arm the island with US weapons. These will first make it difficult for China to mount a military takeover. These weapons will become increasingly advanced until they can threaten the security of China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A US military base on the island.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Make Taiwan a member of the Asia-Pacific version of NATO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Most of these can happen only if Taiwan becomes an Independent Nation. That’s the way Taiwan will go if it is not reunited with China. Never trust those Westerners when they profess that they support the One-China Policy and are against Taiwan Independence. Reunification should happen sooner rather than later. The sooner the better.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now that China has started military exercises around Taiwan, it faces a dilemma. Should they be stopped or should they be carried on until their real objective, Reunification, is reached?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What will happen if China stop these exercises before their real objective is reached? The repercussions for China will be dire. The US will use the exercises to frighten the DPP government into speeding up those scenarios for Taiwan as listed above.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Should China turn the military exercises to “special military operations” to reunify with Taiwan?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Before doing this, China should plan and co-ordinate with other countries which are also struggling against US world hegemony - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Middle East, Afghanistan, Russia.
> > > > > > “Taiwan is a part of China” is an irrefutable fact. This needs no further argument. The problem for the Chinese is how best to reunite the island with the mainland, with the US standing in the way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The US interest in Taiwan lies in the value of the island as a pawn in its Big Power Conflict with China. While moving Taiwan against China, the US spins the issue to make China out to be the culprit in the eyes of the world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “China cannot unilaterally change the status quo”
> > > > > > “Reunification should only be achieved through peaceful means”
> > > > > > “China is disturbing regional and world peace.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In their might-makes-right world, the Westerners believe they have the might, and therefore the right, to decide when and how China should reunite with Taiwan, if at all. According to their “rule-based world order”, China must follow their rules if it wants to reunite with Taiwan without disturbing the world order. The catch-22 is that China will never be reunited with Taiwan if it were to follow Western rules.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since Taiwan is a part of China, its reunification with China is irrefutably the internal affair of China. No other nation should meddle in this. China does not have to seek approval from other nations in the world on how it will bring about reunification.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the Westerners are telling China this:
> > > > > > What is rightly yours will not belong to you unless you have the might to own it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It’s true that China does not have the might et to take on the US alone. The US can integrate its might with other like-minded democratic nations to form a coalition. To take them on, China too needs to form a coalition with other willing nations. There are many from those who are against US regional and world hegemony.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alone or in coalition with other nations, China must reunite with Taiwan.To allow Western Powers to split Taiwan from China now is no different from not being able to prevent them from carving up China in the 19th-20th Century. It means the Chinese is still as weak as they were during those unfortunate times in their history.
> > > > > No matter what it takes China to do, it has to reunite Taiwan. AS Taiwan belongs to China and if the Taiwan people and its self-proclaimed leaders wish to leave Taiwan, they can do so.
> > > > WILL TAIWAN REUNITE WITH CHINA?
> > > >
> > > > After going through a turbulent period of street protests and agitations for Independence from China, Hong Kong is now definitely reunited with China, under a One-Country-Two-Systems model of governance. But China should not expect a similar reunification model for Taiwan. There are various reasons for the failure of the Hong Kong Independent Movement. Most important of all is that it did not have the support of the HKSAR government. In Taiwan, the Movement for Taiwan Independent(TI) has been well established over decades. Its political wing, the DPP, has won elections to rule Taiwan for years. Reunification with Taiwan will not be as easy as it is for Hong Kong.
> > > >
> > > > What is China up against in its Reunification with Taiwan? This can be broadly analysed as Internal and External Forces.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > INTERNAL FORCES
> > > >
> > > > In Taiwan, there are two main parties – KMT and DPP, each with different principles regarding reunification and independence.
> > > > KMT - anti-Independent but Reunification only on its terms, which is that it will be the government of a reunited China.
> > > > DPP - anti-Reunification, pro-Independent.
> > > >
> > > > EXTERNAL FORCES
> > > >
> > > > The external forces preventing Reunification is much bigger and stronger than the internal forces. It’s a US-led international coalition of democracies consisting mostly of Western nations and some Asian ones which have territorial disputes with China.
> > > >
> > > > The rise of China has made it a threat to the US-led West. In this 21st century, the US Global Strategy emphasises Big Power Conflict between the US, Russia and China. The US and China are now in open conflicts in many areas. In these conflicts, the US is using Taiwan as a pawn to move against China and the issue of Reunification is China’s problem it can manipulate and exploit to its advantage. US has no wish to see Reunification.. It is against US’s national interest. Reunification will turn China into a bigger threat to US regional and world hegemony.
> > > >
> > > > Internal and external forces are working together to split Taiwan from China. Whenever China counters their moves, it is accused of trying to change the status quo unilaterally.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WHAT IS TAIWAN’S STATUS QUO?
> > > > Under current status quo of DPP rule, Taiwan’s anti-China, anti-Reunification and pro-Independent stance is most pronounced. The DPP boldly declares that Taiwan is an Independent Nation the future of which can only be decided by the people on the island. It is in collusion with the US to bring about separation and independence.
> > > >
> > > > The DPP government acts against China whenever and wherever it can. It spends big to boost its defence against China with weapons purchases from US. It actively pushes to expand it’s international space, with help from US. It allows US governmental organisations and NGOs based on the island to carry out covert operations against China. Politicians from the democratic world, especially the US, are permitted to visit Taiwan in defiance of China’s sovereignty over the island. The most sinister plot of the DPP government against China concerns the island population. It carries out policies and social engineering programs to change the identity of the people on the island, from being Chinese to being Taiwanese.
> > > >
> > > > Status quo will lead Taiwan towards separation and independence. This is not acceptable to China. Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. Internal forces within Taiwan do not want it. Neither do external forces. Instead, they are working hard together to bring about separation and independence.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MILITARY OPTION IS THE ONLY CHOICE
> > > > MILITARY EXERCISES
> > > > The Chinese responds to intolerable provocations from Taiwan by mounting military exercises aimed at the island. These exercises have their pros and cons. They expose Chinese war strategies and tactics, making preemptive strikes in the future more difficult. While such exercises can only be temporary, their negative effects on the population are more permanent. “China is a bully that makes our lives difficult” stays on the mind of the people long after the exercises ended. How the exercises ended has their effects too. If they end without any damage to the island, those supporters of TI will ridicule China for being a paper tiger which can only roar but not bite. This emboldens them to become more defiant towards China and to seek more protections from the US.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OPEN WAR?
> > > > Since the start of Russia’s “special military operations” in Ukraine, the US has raised the specter of China starting similar operations in Taiwan. This has the intended effect of the DPP regime seeking more political and military supports from the US and purchasing more arms from the US. This causes tension between the island and China to spiral upward.
> > > >
> > > > Should China mount an open war to take over the island? It would be China vs US-led democratic coalition, with Taiwan as the proxy. It will be like Russia vs Ukraine. The hit back will not be just military but also economic, cultural...everything. China would face economic sanctions and international isolation. It will be Chinese-killing-Chinese, with the non-Chinese, especially the Americans, only too happy to supply weapons to Taiwan. Taiwan will suffer the most in such a war. Unlike in Ukraine, the US would put boots on the ground in Taiwan because when it comes to the crunch, the US nuclear arsenal is much bigger than that of China.
> > > >
> > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on a US-led democratic coalition. China too will have to form its own coalition with like-minded nations or co-ordinate with these nations to start their own military operations against their US-backed enemies. This will spread thin the US military might.
> > > >
> > > > Another factor for Chinanto consider before starting the war is this. Is it wise for China to start a war at its own front yard, with American bases and American allies so close by? The US can also co-ordinate with its allies to start military operations against China simultaneously. In such a war, Mainland China is vulnerable to attacks while Mainland USA is not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WINNING THE HEARTS AND MIND OF THE PEOPLE.
> > > > China may be able to take over Taiwan by force but winning over the hearts and mind of the people on the island after that will be another matter. The dilemma is that this will also become more difficult if the island were to be left under DPP rule. Every DPP government has initiated policies and social engineering programs to change the hearts and mind of the people on the island negatively towards China. These programs aim to break the bonds of common ancestry and racial root between the people on both sides of the strait. Starting from young, children in schools are being indoctrinated to believe that they are different from people on the mainland, that they are Taiwanese, not Chinese. Youngsters are indoctrinated to look upon China as enemy, to be prepared to sacrifice themselves to fight against the Chinese to protect their homeland of Taiwan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MILITARY SUPREMACY
> > > > Ultimately, might, especially military might, will provide the solution. Once China becomes the mightiest military power, its enemies now will become its friends. People on both sides of the strait will prefer the regime on the mainland over the one on the island.
> > > >
> > > > China is still lagging the US in military might. It has to build up its nuclear arsenal, its naval and air forces. All in, it has to be able to project its military might into the US neighborhood and fight a war on US soil.
> > > >
> > > > Without the US, Taiwan’s defenses become nothing. The DPP knows it. To solve the Taiwan problem is to get the US out of the way. This does not necessarily mean ending up with the Americans prediction of “War with China”. All the Chinese have to do is to prove beyond doubt that Chinese military might can leapfrog all those rings of defences that the Americans have build around China and go for the jugular, i.e., the US Mainland. No Americans would want their homeland sacrificed in any way to save Taiwan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > CONCLUSION
> > > > Leaving Taiwan at status quo means allowing it to move unimpeded towards Independence. Due to US Global Strategy, Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. The military option is what’s left for China. The question is when. Has China become strong and powerful enough to start a war over Taiwan?
> > > When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
> > >
> > >
> > > All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
> > >
> > >
> > > China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time. This will help to deter US provocations.
> > >
> > > When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
> > >
> > > All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
> > >
> > > China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time.
> > What will an independent Taiwan be like? Should China wait for it to happen?
> >
> > An independent Taiwan will be a small nation. No matter how independent a small nation believes itself to be, it will always have to depend on bigger and more powerful ones.
> >
> > An independent Taiwan will be nothing but a US-dependent territory, like some of those strings of Pacific Islands. Its economy will largely depend on US trade, investments and market. Its defense and security will depend on US military might. An independent Taiwan will become a bastion of Western Powers. It will host military bases of US-and-allies. Japan and India will be two of those allies.
> >
> > Changing The Population
> > As it is now, the US-and-allies consider Taiwan’s population too Chinese for comfort. To them, the DPP government social engineering policies to indoctrinate the people on the island to believe that they are Taiwanese rather than Chinese are good and necessary but not sufficient. To be more on the safe side, US-and-allies would want a drastic change in the ethnic composition of the population. They would want to see a more diverse and inclusive population where the Chinese will make up only one of many ethnicity. Immigration will be the way to this end. The DPP will be pressured to accept many more non-Chinese immigrants. Priorities will be given to those from the nations of the QUAD. Japan will be very keen to participate in such a scheme. Its an opportunity for the Japs to relive their colonial past in Taiwan. It will be a godsend for India where the population growth is out-of-control. Following the change in the ethnic mix of the population will come the cultural change. US-and-allies will push for the “melting pot” model where people of various ethnicity will have one Westernised, English-speaking culture. With such a population, Taiwan can easily become an anti-China and anti-Chinese Rebel Island.
> >
> >
> > Those occasional China’s military exercises are not helping to prevent the above scenario from happenning. Instead they provide accuses for the US and the DPP government to work together to push Taiwan towards such a scenario. In respond to the exercises, more American and European politicians are visiting Taiwan and the US will speed up its arms sales to Taiwan. That schoolgirl President of Taiwan is talking and acting tough. When the first bomb is dropped, she will run to hide underneath her bed and wet her pants.
> >
> >
> > Recently there was an announcement of Taiwan recruiting more foreign workers.
> >
> > https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3190982/why-taiwan-suddenly-needs-400000-foreign-workers-critical
> >
> > They will be the new immigrants and most will be non-Chinese.
> >
> >
> > How long can China wait when Taiwan is turning into an anti-China anti-Chinese polity by the day?
> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/19/asia/biden-us-troops-defend-taiwan-intl-hnk/index.html
>
> This should not and will not deter China from reuniting with Taiwan, by force, if necessary. The question is to what extent will the US be prepared to defend Taiwan. In the Chinese civil war, they supplied arms and advisors to the Nationalists which in the end still lost the war. Or like in the past in Korea, Vietnam and more recently, Afghanistan? In all three cases, the US could not last to the end in the fight. In Korea, it agreed to an armistice. In Vietnam, it was kicked out. In Afghanistan, it fled with its tail between its legs.
>
> Bear in mind that in all four cases, the US had the luxury of fighting away from home ground. As a result, it enemies home grounds suffered damages while its own home ground remained intact. Fighting against China in the 21st Century will be different. China has the capability to bring the fight to the US homeland. It can by-pass and leapfrog the rings-of-fires and tripwires the US has built around it. More importantly, the fight can turn nuclear. How many Americans will be willing to suffer a nuclear attack in their own homeland in defence of Taiwan?
>
> Before any further futile talks or sabre-rattlings, the US should conduct a nationwide survey with the following question:
>
> Should the US take the risk of being nuked by China in order to prevent a China-Taiwan Reunification?
>
> Those Taiwan Independents would be most interested to know the result.

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:12:58 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 9:05:23 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 1:36:04 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 2:13:20 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 4:41:26 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:26:36 PM UTC+8, paul polikos wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:47:44 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:50:16 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > > > > > > > The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island.. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese.. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> > > > > > > > > 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> > > > > > > > > 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.
> > > > > > > Taiwan and 21st Century Global Politics
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What’s happening in Taiwan today has a broader context – Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The US has clearly postulated a paradigm shift in its Global Strategy for the 21st Century – from Christian-Judeao-Islamic conflict to Big Power Conflict, the big powers being US, Russia and China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For Russia the conflict is about the expansion of NATO towards the Russian border.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For China , it’s more complex and involve more nations and geographical areas - India, Japan, Australia, South China Sea, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The US-led West is planning for War on China. That’s the only way to stop the rise of China. Look at their possible plots against China and what role will they use Taiwan play in it, some of which are already implemented.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Use India as a counterweight against China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bring India into the Asia-Pacific and rename it Indo-Pacific,..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Create a NATO-like alliance against China, starting with the QUAD of US, India, Japan, Australia.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Create economic alliances that exclude China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For Taiwan specifically:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Distance Taiwan from China. Drive a wedge between the island and the mainland.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Widen their political divide. Democratise Taiwan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Arm the island with US weapons. These will first make it difficult for China to mount a military takeover. These weapons will become increasingly advanced until they can threaten the security of China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A US military base on the island.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Make Taiwan a member of the Asia-Pacific version of NATO.
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> > > > > > > Most of these can happen only if Taiwan becomes an Independent Nation. That’s the way Taiwan will go if it is not reunited with China. Never trust those Westerners when they profess that they support the One-China Policy and are against Taiwan Independence. Reunification should happen sooner rather than later. The sooner the better.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now that China has started military exercises around Taiwan, it faces a dilemma. Should they be stopped or should they be carried on until their real objective, Reunification, is reached?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What will happen if China stop these exercises before their real objective is reached? The repercussions for China will be dire. The US will use the exercises to frighten the DPP government into speeding up those scenarios for Taiwan as listed above.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Should China turn the military exercises to “special military operations” to reunify with Taiwan?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Before doing this, China should plan and co-ordinate with other countries which are also struggling against US world hegemony - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Middle East, Afghanistan, Russia.
> > > > > > “Taiwan is a part of China” is an irrefutable fact. This needs no further argument. The problem for the Chinese is how best to reunite the island with the mainland, with the US standing in the way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The US interest in Taiwan lies in the value of the island as a pawn in its Big Power Conflict with China. While moving Taiwan against China, the US spins the issue to make China out to be the culprit in the eyes of the world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “China cannot unilaterally change the status quo”
> > > > > > “Reunification should only be achieved through peaceful means”
> > > > > > “China is disturbing regional and world peace.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In their might-makes-right world, the Westerners believe they have the might, and therefore the right, to decide when and how China should reunite with Taiwan, if at all. According to their “rule-based world order”, China must follow their rules if it wants to reunite with Taiwan without disturbing the world order. The catch-22 is that China will never be reunited with Taiwan if it were to follow Western rules.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since Taiwan is a part of China, its reunification with China is irrefutably the internal affair of China. No other nation should meddle in this. China does not have to seek approval from other nations in the world on how it will bring about reunification.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the Westerners are telling China this:
> > > > > > What is rightly yours will not belong to you unless you have the might to own it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It’s true that China does not have the might et to take on the US alone. The US can integrate its might with other like-minded democratic nations to form a coalition. To take them on, China too needs to form a coalition with other willing nations. There are many from those who are against US regional and world hegemony.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alone or in coalition with other nations, China must reunite with Taiwan.To allow Western Powers to split Taiwan from China now is no different from not being able to prevent them from carving up China in the 19th-20th Century. It means the Chinese is still as weak as they were during those unfortunate times in their history.
> > > > > No matter what it takes China to do, it has to reunite Taiwan. AS Taiwan belongs to China and if the Taiwan people and its self-proclaimed leaders wish to leave Taiwan, they can do so.
> > > > WILL TAIWAN REUNITE WITH CHINA?
> > > >
> > > > After going through a turbulent period of street protests and agitations for Independence from China, Hong Kong is now definitely reunited with China, under a One-Country-Two-Systems model of governance. But China should not expect a similar reunification model for Taiwan. There are various reasons for the failure of the Hong Kong Independent Movement. Most important of all is that it did not have the support of the HKSAR government. In Taiwan, the Movement for Taiwan Independent(TI) has been well established over decades. Its political wing, the DPP, has won elections to rule Taiwan for years. Reunification with Taiwan will not be as easy as it is for Hong Kong.
> > > >
> > > > What is China up against in its Reunification with Taiwan? This can be broadly analysed as Internal and External Forces.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > INTERNAL FORCES
> > > >
> > > > In Taiwan, there are two main parties – KMT and DPP, each with different principles regarding reunification and independence.
> > > > KMT - anti-Independent but Reunification only on its terms, which is that it will be the government of a reunited China.
> > > > DPP - anti-Reunification, pro-Independent.
> > > >
> > > > EXTERNAL FORCES
> > > >
> > > > The external forces preventing Reunification is much bigger and stronger than the internal forces. It’s a US-led international coalition of democracies consisting mostly of Western nations and some Asian ones which have territorial disputes with China.
> > > >
> > > > The rise of China has made it a threat to the US-led West. In this 21st century, the US Global Strategy emphasises Big Power Conflict between the US, Russia and China. The US and China are now in open conflicts in many areas. In these conflicts, the US is using Taiwan as a pawn to move against China and the issue of Reunification is China’s problem it can manipulate and exploit to its advantage. US has no wish to see Reunification.. It is against US’s national interest. Reunification will turn China into a bigger threat to US regional and world hegemony.
> > > >
> > > > Internal and external forces are working together to split Taiwan from China. Whenever China counters their moves, it is accused of trying to change the status quo unilaterally.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WHAT IS TAIWAN’S STATUS QUO?
> > > > Under current status quo of DPP rule, Taiwan’s anti-China, anti-Reunification and pro-Independent stance is most pronounced. The DPP boldly declares that Taiwan is an Independent Nation the future of which can only be decided by the people on the island. It is in collusion with the US to bring about separation and independence.
> > > >
> > > > The DPP government acts against China whenever and wherever it can. It spends big to boost its defence against China with weapons purchases from US. It actively pushes to expand it’s international space, with help from US. It allows US governmental organisations and NGOs based on the island to carry out covert operations against China. Politicians from the democratic world, especially the US, are permitted to visit Taiwan in defiance of China’s sovereignty over the island. The most sinister plot of the DPP government against China concerns the island population. It carries out policies and social engineering programs to change the identity of the people on the island, from being Chinese to being Taiwanese.
> > > >
> > > > Status quo will lead Taiwan towards separation and independence. This is not acceptable to China. Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. Internal forces within Taiwan do not want it. Neither do external forces. Instead, they are working hard together to bring about separation and independence.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MILITARY OPTION IS THE ONLY CHOICE
> > > > MILITARY EXERCISES
> > > > The Chinese responds to intolerable provocations from Taiwan by mounting military exercises aimed at the island. These exercises have their pros and cons. They expose Chinese war strategies and tactics, making preemptive strikes in the future more difficult. While such exercises can only be temporary, their negative effects on the population are more permanent. “China is a bully that makes our lives difficult” stays on the mind of the people long after the exercises ended. How the exercises ended has their effects too. If they end without any damage to the island, those supporters of TI will ridicule China for being a paper tiger which can only roar but not bite. This emboldens them to become more defiant towards China and to seek more protections from the US.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OPEN WAR?
> > > > Since the start of Russia’s “special military operations” in Ukraine, the US has raised the specter of China starting similar operations in Taiwan. This has the intended effect of the DPP regime seeking more political and military supports from the US and purchasing more arms from the US. This causes tension between the island and China to spiral upward.
> > > >
> > > > Should China mount an open war to take over the island? It would be China vs US-led democratic coalition, with Taiwan as the proxy. It will be like Russia vs Ukraine. The hit back will not be just military but also economic, cultural...everything. China would face economic sanctions and international isolation. It will be Chinese-killing-Chinese, with the non-Chinese, especially the Americans, only too happy to supply weapons to Taiwan. Taiwan will suffer the most in such a war. Unlike in Ukraine, the US would put boots on the ground in Taiwan because when it comes to the crunch, the US nuclear arsenal is much bigger than that of China.
> > > >
> > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on a US-led democratic coalition. China too will have to form its own coalition with like-minded nations or co-ordinate with these nations to start their own military operations against their US-backed enemies. This will spread thin the US military might.
> > > >
> > > > Another factor for Chinanto consider before starting the war is this. Is it wise for China to start a war at its own front yard, with American bases and American allies so close by? The US can also co-ordinate with its allies to start military operations against China simultaneously. In such a war, Mainland China is vulnerable to attacks while Mainland USA is not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WINNING THE HEARTS AND MIND OF THE PEOPLE.
> > > > China may be able to take over Taiwan by force but winning over the hearts and mind of the people on the island after that will be another matter. The dilemma is that this will also become more difficult if the island were to be left under DPP rule. Every DPP government has initiated policies and social engineering programs to change the hearts and mind of the people on the island negatively towards China. These programs aim to break the bonds of common ancestry and racial root between the people on both sides of the strait. Starting from young, children in schools are being indoctrinated to believe that they are different from people on the mainland, that they are Taiwanese, not Chinese. Youngsters are indoctrinated to look upon China as enemy, to be prepared to sacrifice themselves to fight against the Chinese to protect their homeland of Taiwan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MILITARY SUPREMACY
> > > > Ultimately, might, especially military might, will provide the solution. Once China becomes the mightiest military power, its enemies now will become its friends. People on both sides of the strait will prefer the regime on the mainland over the one on the island.
> > > >
> > > > China is still lagging the US in military might. It has to build up its nuclear arsenal, its naval and air forces. All in, it has to be able to project its military might into the US neighborhood and fight a war on US soil.
> > > >
> > > > Without the US, Taiwan’s defenses become nothing. The DPP knows it. To solve the Taiwan problem is to get the US out of the way. This does not necessarily mean ending up with the Americans prediction of “War with China”. All the Chinese have to do is to prove beyond doubt that Chinese military might can leapfrog all those rings of defences that the Americans have build around China and go for the jugular, i.e., the US Mainland. No Americans would want their homeland sacrificed in any way to save Taiwan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > CONCLUSION
> > > > Leaving Taiwan at status quo means allowing it to move unimpeded towards Independence. Due to US Global Strategy, Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. The military option is what’s left for China. The question is when. Has China become strong and powerful enough to start a war over Taiwan?
> > > When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
> > >
> > >
> > > All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
> > >
> > >
> > > China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time. This will help to deter US provocations.
> > >
> > > When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
> > >
> > > All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
> > >
> > > China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time.
> > What will an independent Taiwan be like? Should China wait for it to happen?
> >
> > An independent Taiwan will be a small nation. No matter how independent a small nation believes itself to be, it will always have to depend on bigger and more powerful ones.
> >
> > An independent Taiwan will be nothing but a US-dependent territory, like some of those strings of Pacific Islands. Its economy will largely depend on US trade, investments and market. Its defense and security will depend on US military might. An independent Taiwan will become a bastion of Western Powers. It will host military bases of US-and-allies. Japan and India will be two of those allies.
> >
> > Changing The Population
> > As it is now, the US-and-allies consider Taiwan’s population too Chinese for comfort. To them, the DPP government social engineering policies to indoctrinate the people on the island to believe that they are Taiwanese rather than Chinese are good and necessary but not sufficient. To be more on the safe side, US-and-allies would want a drastic change in the ethnic composition of the population. They would want to see a more diverse and inclusive population where the Chinese will make up only one of many ethnicity. Immigration will be the way to this end. The DPP will be pressured to accept many more non-Chinese immigrants. Priorities will be given to those from the nations of the QUAD. Japan will be very keen to participate in such a scheme. Its an opportunity for the Japs to relive their colonial past in Taiwan. It will be a godsend for India where the population growth is out-of-control. Following the change in the ethnic mix of the population will come the cultural change. US-and-allies will push for the “melting pot” model where people of various ethnicity will have one Westernised, English-speaking culture. With such a population, Taiwan can easily become an anti-China and anti-Chinese Rebel Island.
> >
> >
> > Those occasional China’s military exercises are not helping to prevent the above scenario from happenning. Instead they provide accuses for the US and the DPP government to work together to push Taiwan towards such a scenario. In respond to the exercises, more American and European politicians are visiting Taiwan and the US will speed up its arms sales to Taiwan. That schoolgirl President of Taiwan is talking and acting tough. When the first bomb is dropped, she will run to hide underneath her bed and wet her pants.
> >
> >
> > Recently there was an announcement of Taiwan recruiting more foreign workers.
> >
> > https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3190982/why-taiwan-suddenly-needs-400000-foreign-workers-critical
> >
> > They will be the new immigrants and most will be non-Chinese.
> >
> >
> > How long can China wait when Taiwan is turning into an anti-China anti-Chinese polity by the day?
> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/19/asia/biden-us-troops-defend-taiwan-intl-hnk/index.html
>
> This should not and will not deter China from reuniting with Taiwan, by force, if necessary. The question is to what extent will the US be prepared to defend Taiwan. In the Chinese civil war, they supplied arms and advisors to the Nationalists which in the end still lost the war. Or like in the past in Korea, Vietnam and more recently, Afghanistan? In all three cases, the US could not last to the end in the fight. In Korea, it agreed to an armistice. In Vietnam, it was kicked out. In Afghanistan, it fled with its tail between its legs.
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> Bear in mind that in all four cases, the US had the luxury of fighting away from home ground. As a result, it enemies home grounds suffered damages while its own home ground remained intact. Fighting against China in the 21st Century will be different. China has the capability to bring the fight to the US homeland. It can by-pass and leapfrog the rings-of-fires and tripwires the US has built around it. More importantly, the fight can turn nuclear. How many Americans will be willing to suffer a nuclear attack in their own homeland in defence of Taiwan?
>
> Before any further futile talks or sabre-rattlings, the US should conduct a nationwide survey with the following question:
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> Should the US take the risk of being nuked by China in order to prevent a China-Taiwan Reunification?
>
> Those Taiwan Independents would be most interested to know the result.

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
>
> China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> if the situation is reversed.

What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 3:54:23 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:12:58 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 9:05:23 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 1:36:04 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 2:13:20 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 4:41:26 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:26:36 PM UTC+8, paul polikos wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:47:44 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:50:16 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > > > > > > > > The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this..
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> > > > > > > > > > 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> > > > > > > > > > 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.
> > > > > > > > Taiwan and 21st Century Global Politics
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What’s happening in Taiwan today has a broader context – Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The US has clearly postulated a paradigm shift in its Global Strategy for the 21st Century – from Christian-Judeao-Islamic conflict to Big Power Conflict, the big powers being US, Russia and China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For Russia the conflict is about the expansion of NATO towards the Russian border.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For China , it’s more complex and involve more nations and geographical areas - India, Japan, Australia, South China Sea, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The US-led West is planning for War on China. That’s the only way to stop the rise of China. Look at their possible plots against China and what role will they use Taiwan play in it, some of which are already implemented.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Use India as a counterweight against China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bring India into the Asia-Pacific and rename it Indo-Pacific,.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Create a NATO-like alliance against China, starting with the QUAD of US, India, Japan, Australia.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Create economic alliances that exclude China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For Taiwan specifically:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Distance Taiwan from China. Drive a wedge between the island and the mainland.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Widen their political divide. Democratise Taiwan.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Arm the island with US weapons. These will first make it difficult for China to mount a military takeover. These weapons will become increasingly advanced until they can threaten the security of China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A US military base on the island.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Make Taiwan a member of the Asia-Pacific version of NATO.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Most of these can happen only if Taiwan becomes an Independent Nation. That’s the way Taiwan will go if it is not reunited with China. Never trust those Westerners when they profess that they support the One-China Policy and are against Taiwan Independence. Reunification should happen sooner rather than later. The sooner the better.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now that China has started military exercises around Taiwan, it faces a dilemma. Should they be stopped or should they be carried on until their real objective, Reunification, is reached?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What will happen if China stop these exercises before their real objective is reached? The repercussions for China will be dire. The US will use the exercises to frighten the DPP government into speeding up those scenarios for Taiwan as listed above.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Should China turn the military exercises to “special military operations” to reunify with Taiwan?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Before doing this, China should plan and co-ordinate with other countries which are also struggling against US world hegemony - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Middle East, Afghanistan, Russia.
> > > > > > > “Taiwan is a part of China” is an irrefutable fact. This needs no further argument. The problem for the Chinese is how best to reunite the island with the mainland, with the US standing in the way.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The US interest in Taiwan lies in the value of the island as a pawn in its Big Power Conflict with China. While moving Taiwan against China, the US spins the issue to make China out to be the culprit in the eyes of the world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “China cannot unilaterally change the status quo”
> > > > > > > “Reunification should only be achieved through peaceful means”
> > > > > > > “China is disturbing regional and world peace.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In their might-makes-right world, the Westerners believe they have the might, and therefore the right, to decide when and how China should reunite with Taiwan, if at all. According to their “rule-based world order”, China must follow their rules if it wants to reunite with Taiwan without disturbing the world order. The catch-22 is that China will never be reunited with Taiwan if it were to follow Western rules.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since Taiwan is a part of China, its reunification with China is irrefutably the internal affair of China. No other nation should meddle in this. China does not have to seek approval from other nations in the world on how it will bring about reunification.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But the Westerners are telling China this:
> > > > > > > What is rightly yours will not belong to you unless you have the might to own it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It’s true that China does not have the might et to take on the US alone. The US can integrate its might with other like-minded democratic nations to form a coalition. To take them on, China too needs to form a coalition with other willing nations. There are many from those who are against US regional and world hegemony.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alone or in coalition with other nations, China must reunite with Taiwan.To allow Western Powers to split Taiwan from China now is no different from not being able to prevent them from carving up China in the 19th-20th Century. It means the Chinese is still as weak as they were during those unfortunate times in their history.
> > > > > > No matter what it takes China to do, it has to reunite Taiwan. AS Taiwan belongs to China and if the Taiwan people and its self-proclaimed leaders wish to leave Taiwan, they can do so.
> > > > > WILL TAIWAN REUNITE WITH CHINA?
> > > > >
> > > > > After going through a turbulent period of street protests and agitations for Independence from China, Hong Kong is now definitely reunited with China, under a One-Country-Two-Systems model of governance. But China should not expect a similar reunification model for Taiwan. There are various reasons for the failure of the Hong Kong Independent Movement. Most important of all is that it did not have the support of the HKSAR government. In Taiwan, the Movement for Taiwan Independent(TI) has been well established over decades. Its political wing, the DPP, has won elections to rule Taiwan for years. Reunification with Taiwan will not be as easy as it is for Hong Kong.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is China up against in its Reunification with Taiwan? This can be broadly analysed as Internal and External Forces.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > INTERNAL FORCES
> > > > >
> > > > > In Taiwan, there are two main parties – KMT and DPP, each with different principles regarding reunification and independence.
> > > > > KMT - anti-Independent but Reunification only on its terms, which is that it will be the government of a reunited China.
> > > > > DPP - anti-Reunification, pro-Independent.
> > > > >
> > > > > EXTERNAL FORCES
> > > > >
> > > > > The external forces preventing Reunification is much bigger and stronger than the internal forces. It’s a US-led international coalition of democracies consisting mostly of Western nations and some Asian ones which have territorial disputes with China.
> > > > >
> > > > > The rise of China has made it a threat to the US-led West. In this 21st century, the US Global Strategy emphasises Big Power Conflict between the US, Russia and China. The US and China are now in open conflicts in many areas. In these conflicts, the US is using Taiwan as a pawn to move against China and the issue of Reunification is China’s problem it can manipulate and exploit to its advantage. US has no wish to see Reunification. It is against US’s national interest. Reunification will turn China into a bigger threat to US regional and world hegemony.
> > > > >
> > > > > Internal and external forces are working together to split Taiwan from China. Whenever China counters their moves, it is accused of trying to change the status quo unilaterally.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > WHAT IS TAIWAN’S STATUS QUO?
> > > > > Under current status quo of DPP rule, Taiwan’s anti-China, anti-Reunification and pro-Independent stance is most pronounced. The DPP boldly declares that Taiwan is an Independent Nation the future of which can only be decided by the people on the island. It is in collusion with the US to bring about separation and independence.
> > > > >
> > > > > The DPP government acts against China whenever and wherever it can. It spends big to boost its defence against China with weapons purchases from US. It actively pushes to expand it’s international space, with help from US. It allows US governmental organisations and NGOs based on the island to carry out covert operations against China. Politicians from the democratic world, especially the US, are permitted to visit Taiwan in defiance of China’s sovereignty over the island. The most sinister plot of the DPP government against China concerns the island population. It carries out policies and social engineering programs to change the identity of the people on the island, from being Chinese to being Taiwanese.
> > > > >
> > > > > Status quo will lead Taiwan towards separation and independence. This is not acceptable to China. Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. Internal forces within Taiwan do not want it. Neither do external forces. Instead, they are working hard together to bring about separation and independence.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > MILITARY OPTION IS THE ONLY CHOICE
> > > > > MILITARY EXERCISES
> > > > > The Chinese responds to intolerable provocations from Taiwan by mounting military exercises aimed at the island. These exercises have their pros and cons. They expose Chinese war strategies and tactics, making preemptive strikes in the future more difficult. While such exercises can only be temporary, their negative effects on the population are more permanent. “China is a bully that makes our lives difficult” stays on the mind of the people long after the exercises ended. How the exercises ended has their effects too. If they end without any damage to the island, those supporters of TI will ridicule China for being a paper tiger which can only roar but not bite. This emboldens them to become more defiant towards China and to seek more protections from the US.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OPEN WAR?
> > > > > Since the start of Russia’s “special military operations” in Ukraine, the US has raised the specter of China starting similar operations in Taiwan. This has the intended effect of the DPP regime seeking more political and military supports from the US and purchasing more arms from the US. This causes tension between the island and China to spiral upward.
> > > > >
> > > > > Should China mount an open war to take over the island? It would be China vs US-led democratic coalition, with Taiwan as the proxy. It will be like Russia vs Ukraine. The hit back will not be just military but also economic, cultural...everything. China would face economic sanctions and international isolation. It will be Chinese-killing-Chinese, with the non-Chinese, especially the Americans, only too happy to supply weapons to Taiwan. Taiwan will suffer the most in such a war. Unlike in Ukraine, the US would put boots on the ground in Taiwan because when it comes to the crunch, the US nuclear arsenal is much bigger than that of China.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on a US-led democratic coalition. China too will have to form its own coalition with like-minded nations or co-ordinate with these nations to start their own military operations against their US-backed enemies. This will spread thin the US military might.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another factor for Chinanto consider before starting the war is this. Is it wise for China to start a war at its own front yard, with American bases and American allies so close by? The US can also co-ordinate with its allies to start military operations against China simultaneously. In such a war, Mainland China is vulnerable to attacks while Mainland USA is not..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > WINNING THE HEARTS AND MIND OF THE PEOPLE.
> > > > > China may be able to take over Taiwan by force but winning over the hearts and mind of the people on the island after that will be another matter. The dilemma is that this will also become more difficult if the island were to be left under DPP rule. Every DPP government has initiated policies and social engineering programs to change the hearts and mind of the people on the island negatively towards China. These programs aim to break the bonds of common ancestry and racial root between the people on both sides of the strait. Starting from young, children in schools are being indoctrinated to believe that they are different from people on the mainland, that they are Taiwanese, not Chinese. Youngsters are indoctrinated to look upon China as enemy, to be prepared to sacrifice themselves to fight against the Chinese to protect their homeland of Taiwan.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > MILITARY SUPREMACY
> > > > > Ultimately, might, especially military might, will provide the solution. Once China becomes the mightiest military power, its enemies now will become its friends. People on both sides of the strait will prefer the regime on the mainland over the one on the island.
> > > > >
> > > > > China is still lagging the US in military might. It has to build up its nuclear arsenal, its naval and air forces. All in, it has to be able to project its military might into the US neighborhood and fight a war on US soil.
> > > > >
> > > > > Without the US, Taiwan’s defenses become nothing. The DPP knows it. To solve the Taiwan problem is to get the US out of the way. This does not necessarily mean ending up with the Americans prediction of “War with China”. All the Chinese have to do is to prove beyond doubt that Chinese military might can leapfrog all those rings of defences that the Americans have build around China and go for the jugular, i.e., the US Mainland. No Americans would want their homeland sacrificed in any way to save Taiwan.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > CONCLUSION
> > > > > Leaving Taiwan at status quo means allowing it to move unimpeded towards Independence. Due to US Global Strategy, Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. The military option is what’s left for China. The question is when. Has China become strong and powerful enough to start a war over Taiwan?
> > > > When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time. This will help to deter US provocations.
> > > >
> > > > When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
> > > >
> > > > All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
> > > >
> > > > China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time.
> > > What will an independent Taiwan be like? Should China wait for it to happen?
> > >
> > > An independent Taiwan will be a small nation. No matter how independent a small nation believes itself to be, it will always have to depend on bigger and more powerful ones.
> > >
> > > An independent Taiwan will be nothing but a US-dependent territory, like some of those strings of Pacific Islands. Its economy will largely depend on US trade, investments and market. Its defense and security will depend on US military might. An independent Taiwan will become a bastion of Western Powers. It will host military bases of US-and-allies. Japan and India will be two of those allies.
> > >
> > > Changing The Population
> > > As it is now, the US-and-allies consider Taiwan’s population too Chinese for comfort. To them, the DPP government social engineering policies to indoctrinate the people on the island to believe that they are Taiwanese rather than Chinese are good and necessary but not sufficient. To be more on the safe side, US-and-allies would want a drastic change in the ethnic composition of the population. They would want to see a more diverse and inclusive population where the Chinese will make up only one of many ethnicity. Immigration will be the way to this end. The DPP will be pressured to accept many more non-Chinese immigrants. Priorities will be given to those from the nations of the QUAD. Japan will be very keen to participate in such a scheme. Its an opportunity for the Japs to relive their colonial past in Taiwan. It will be a godsend for India where the population growth is out-of-control. Following the change in the ethnic mix of the population will come the cultural change. US-and-allies will push for the “melting pot” model where people of various ethnicity will have one Westernised, English-speaking culture. With such a population, Taiwan can easily become an anti-China and anti-Chinese Rebel Island.
> > >
> > >
> > > Those occasional China’s military exercises are not helping to prevent the above scenario from happenning. Instead they provide accuses for the US and the DPP government to work together to push Taiwan towards such a scenario. In respond to the exercises, more American and European politicians are visiting Taiwan and the US will speed up its arms sales to Taiwan. That schoolgirl President of Taiwan is talking and acting tough. When the first bomb is dropped, she will run to hide underneath her bed and wet her pants.
> > >
> > >
> > > Recently there was an announcement of Taiwan recruiting more foreign workers.
> > >
> > > https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3190982/why-taiwan-suddenly-needs-400000-foreign-workers-critical
> > >
> > > They will be the new immigrants and most will be non-Chinese.
> > >
> > >
> > > How long can China wait when Taiwan is turning into an anti-China anti-Chinese polity by the day?
> > https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/19/asia/biden-us-troops-defend-taiwan-intl-hnk/index.html
> >
> > This should not and will not deter China from reuniting with Taiwan, by force, if necessary. The question is to what extent will the US be prepared to defend Taiwan. In the Chinese civil war, they supplied arms and advisors to the Nationalists which in the end still lost the war. Or like in the past in Korea, Vietnam and more recently, Afghanistan? In all three cases, the US could not last to the end in the fight. In Korea, it agreed to an armistice. In Vietnam, it was kicked out. In Afghanistan, it fled with its tail between its legs.
> >
> > Bear in mind that in all four cases, the US had the luxury of fighting away from home ground. As a result, it enemies home grounds suffered damages while its own home ground remained intact. Fighting against China in the 21st Century will be different. China has the capability to bring the fight to the US homeland. It can by-pass and leapfrog the rings-of-fires and tripwires the US has built around it. More importantly, the fight can turn nuclear. How many Americans will be willing to suffer a nuclear attack in their own homeland in defence of Taiwan?
> >
> > Before any further futile talks or sabre-rattlings, the US should conduct a nationwide survey with the following question:
> >
> > Should the US take the risk of being nuked by China in order to prevent a China-Taiwan Reunification?
> >
> > Those Taiwan Independents would be most interested to know the result.
> And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
>
> China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> if the situation is reversed.

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> >
> > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > if the situation is reversed.
> What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?

Not Taiwan.
Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
term.

The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:39:25 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 3:54:23 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:12:58 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 9:05:23 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 1:36:04 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 2:13:20 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 4:41:26 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:26:36 PM UTC+8, paul polikos wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:47:44 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:50:16 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > > > > > > > > > The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.
> > > > > > > > > Taiwan and 21st Century Global Politics
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What’s happening in Taiwan today has a broader context – Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The US has clearly postulated a paradigm shift in its Global Strategy for the 21st Century – from Christian-Judeao-Islamic conflict to Big Power Conflict, the big powers being US, Russia and China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For Russia the conflict is about the expansion of NATO towards the Russian border.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For China , it’s more complex and involve more nations and geographical areas - India, Japan, Australia, South China Sea, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The US-led West is planning for War on China. That’s the only way to stop the rise of China. Look at their possible plots against China and what role will they use Taiwan play in it, some of which are already implemented.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Use India as a counterweight against China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bring India into the Asia-Pacific and rename it Indo-Pacific,.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Create a NATO-like alliance against China, starting with the QUAD of US, India, Japan, Australia.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Create economic alliances that exclude China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For Taiwan specifically:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Distance Taiwan from China. Drive a wedge between the island and the mainland.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Widen their political divide. Democratise Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Arm the island with US weapons. These will first make it difficult for China to mount a military takeover. These weapons will become increasingly advanced until they can threaten the security of China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A US military base on the island.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Make Taiwan a member of the Asia-Pacific version of NATO.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Most of these can happen only if Taiwan becomes an Independent Nation. That’s the way Taiwan will go if it is not reunited with China. Never trust those Westerners when they profess that they support the One-China Policy and are against Taiwan Independence. Reunification should happen sooner rather than later. The sooner the better.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now that China has started military exercises around Taiwan, it faces a dilemma. Should they be stopped or should they be carried on until their real objective, Reunification, is reached?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What will happen if China stop these exercises before their real objective is reached? The repercussions for China will be dire. The US will use the exercises to frighten the DPP government into speeding up those scenarios for Taiwan as listed above.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Should China turn the military exercises to “special military operations” to reunify with Taiwan?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Before doing this, China should plan and co-ordinate with other countries which are also struggling against US world hegemony - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Middle East, Afghanistan, Russia.
> > > > > > > > “Taiwan is a part of China” is an irrefutable fact. This needs no further argument. The problem for the Chinese is how best to reunite the island with the mainland, with the US standing in the way.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The US interest in Taiwan lies in the value of the island as a pawn in its Big Power Conflict with China. While moving Taiwan against China, the US spins the issue to make China out to be the culprit in the eyes of the world.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “China cannot unilaterally change the status quo”
> > > > > > > > “Reunification should only be achieved through peaceful means”
> > > > > > > > “China is disturbing regional and world peace.”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In their might-makes-right world, the Westerners believe they have the might, and therefore the right, to decide when and how China should reunite with Taiwan, if at all. According to their “rule-based world order”, China must follow their rules if it wants to reunite with Taiwan without disturbing the world order. The catch-22 is that China will never be reunited with Taiwan if it were to follow Western rules.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since Taiwan is a part of China, its reunification with China is irrefutably the internal affair of China. No other nation should meddle in this. China does not have to seek approval from other nations in the world on how it will bring about reunification.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But the Westerners are telling China this:
> > > > > > > > What is rightly yours will not belong to you unless you have the might to own it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It’s true that China does not have the might et to take on the US alone. The US can integrate its might with other like-minded democratic nations to form a coalition. To take them on, China too needs to form a coalition with other willing nations. There are many from those who are against US regional and world hegemony.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Alone or in coalition with other nations, China must reunite with Taiwan.To allow Western Powers to split Taiwan from China now is no different from not being able to prevent them from carving up China in the 19th-20th Century. It means the Chinese is still as weak as they were during those unfortunate times in their history.
> > > > > > > No matter what it takes China to do, it has to reunite Taiwan.. AS Taiwan belongs to China and if the Taiwan people and its self-proclaimed leaders wish to leave Taiwan, they can do so.
> > > > > > WILL TAIWAN REUNITE WITH CHINA?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After going through a turbulent period of street protests and agitations for Independence from China, Hong Kong is now definitely reunited with China, under a One-Country-Two-Systems model of governance. But China should not expect a similar reunification model for Taiwan. There are various reasons for the failure of the Hong Kong Independent Movement. Most important of all is that it did not have the support of the HKSAR government. In Taiwan, the Movement for Taiwan Independent(TI) has been well established over decades. Its political wing, the DPP, has won elections to rule Taiwan for years. Reunification with Taiwan will not be as easy as it is for Hong Kong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is China up against in its Reunification with Taiwan? This can be broadly analysed as Internal and External Forces.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > INTERNAL FORCES
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In Taiwan, there are two main parties – KMT and DPP, each with different principles regarding reunification and independence.
> > > > > > KMT - anti-Independent but Reunification only on its terms, which is that it will be the government of a reunited China.
> > > > > > DPP - anti-Reunification, pro-Independent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > EXTERNAL FORCES
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The external forces preventing Reunification is much bigger and stronger than the internal forces. It’s a US-led international coalition of democracies consisting mostly of Western nations and some Asian ones which have territorial disputes with China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rise of China has made it a threat to the US-led West. In this 21st century, the US Global Strategy emphasises Big Power Conflict between the US, Russia and China. The US and China are now in open conflicts in many areas. In these conflicts, the US is using Taiwan as a pawn to move against China and the issue of Reunification is China’s problem it can manipulate and exploit to its advantage. US has no wish to see Reunification. It is against US’s national interest. Reunification will turn China into a bigger threat to US regional and world hegemony.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Internal and external forces are working together to split Taiwan from China. Whenever China counters their moves, it is accused of trying to change the status quo unilaterally.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WHAT IS TAIWAN’S STATUS QUO?
> > > > > > Under current status quo of DPP rule, Taiwan’s anti-China, anti-Reunification and pro-Independent stance is most pronounced. The DPP boldly declares that Taiwan is an Independent Nation the future of which can only be decided by the people on the island. It is in collusion with the US to bring about separation and independence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The DPP government acts against China whenever and wherever it can. It spends big to boost its defence against China with weapons purchases from US. It actively pushes to expand it’s international space, with help from US. It allows US governmental organisations and NGOs based on the island to carry out covert operations against China. Politicians from the democratic world, especially the US, are permitted to visit Taiwan in defiance of China’s sovereignty over the island. The most sinister plot of the DPP government against China concerns the island population. It carries out policies and social engineering programs to change the identity of the people on the island, from being Chinese to being Taiwanese.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Status quo will lead Taiwan towards separation and independence.. This is not acceptable to China. Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. Internal forces within Taiwan do not want it. Neither do external forces. Instead, they are working hard together to bring about separation and independence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MILITARY OPTION IS THE ONLY CHOICE
> > > > > > MILITARY EXERCISES
> > > > > > The Chinese responds to intolerable provocations from Taiwan by mounting military exercises aimed at the island. These exercises have their pros and cons. They expose Chinese war strategies and tactics, making preemptive strikes in the future more difficult. While such exercises can only be temporary, their negative effects on the population are more permanent. “China is a bully that makes our lives difficult” stays on the mind of the people long after the exercises ended. How the exercises ended has their effects too. If they end without any damage to the island, those supporters of TI will ridicule China for being a paper tiger which can only roar but not bite. This emboldens them to become more defiant towards China and to seek more protections from the US.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OPEN WAR?
> > > > > > Since the start of Russia’s “special military operations” in Ukraine, the US has raised the specter of China starting similar operations in Taiwan. This has the intended effect of the DPP regime seeking more political and military supports from the US and purchasing more arms from the US. This causes tension between the island and China to spiral upward.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Should China mount an open war to take over the island? It would be China vs US-led democratic coalition, with Taiwan as the proxy. It will be like Russia vs Ukraine. The hit back will not be just military but also economic, cultural...everything. China would face economic sanctions and international isolation. It will be Chinese-killing-Chinese, with the non-Chinese, especially the Americans, only too happy to supply weapons to Taiwan. Taiwan will suffer the most in such a war. Unlike in Ukraine, the US would put boots on the ground in Taiwan because when it comes to the crunch, the US nuclear arsenal is much bigger than that of China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on a US-led democratic coalition. China too will have to form its own coalition with like-minded nations or co-ordinate with these nations to start their own military operations against their US-backed enemies. This will spread thin the US military might.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another factor for Chinanto consider before starting the war is this. Is it wise for China to start a war at its own front yard, with American bases and American allies so close by? The US can also co-ordinate with its allies to start military operations against China simultaneously. In such a war, Mainland China is vulnerable to attacks while Mainland USA is not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WINNING THE HEARTS AND MIND OF THE PEOPLE.
> > > > > > China may be able to take over Taiwan by force but winning over the hearts and mind of the people on the island after that will be another matter. The dilemma is that this will also become more difficult if the island were to be left under DPP rule. Every DPP government has initiated policies and social engineering programs to change the hearts and mind of the people on the island negatively towards China. These programs aim to break the bonds of common ancestry and racial root between the people on both sides of the strait. Starting from young, children in schools are being indoctrinated to believe that they are different from people on the mainland, that they are Taiwanese, not Chinese. Youngsters are indoctrinated to look upon China as enemy, to be prepared to sacrifice themselves to fight against the Chinese to protect their homeland of Taiwan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MILITARY SUPREMACY
> > > > > > Ultimately, might, especially military might, will provide the solution. Once China becomes the mightiest military power, its enemies now will become its friends. People on both sides of the strait will prefer the regime on the mainland over the one on the island.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > China is still lagging the US in military might. It has to build up its nuclear arsenal, its naval and air forces. All in, it has to be able to project its military might into the US neighborhood and fight a war on US soil.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Without the US, Taiwan’s defenses become nothing. The DPP knows it. To solve the Taiwan problem is to get the US out of the way. This does not necessarily mean ending up with the Americans prediction of “War with China”. All the Chinese have to do is to prove beyond doubt that Chinese military might can leapfrog all those rings of defences that the Americans have build around China and go for the jugular, i.e.., the US Mainland. No Americans would want their homeland sacrificed in any way to save Taiwan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CONCLUSION
> > > > > > Leaving Taiwan at status quo means allowing it to move unimpeded towards Independence. Due to US Global Strategy, Peaceful Reunification is a pipe dream. The military option is what’s left for China. The question is when. Has China become strong and powerful enough to start a war over Taiwan?
> > > > > When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time. This will help to deter US provocations.
> > > > >
> > > > > When a foreign nation sails its naval vessels through a waterway between two parts of another nation and claim its about freedom-of-navigation, then this is not a rule- but a might-based world.
> > > > >
> > > > > All these American political and military provocations against China also reveals one thing, i.e., China is not ready for war with the US. It lacks the intelligence network to provide it with critical information for the war.
> > > > >
> > > > > China should first achieve this capability - be able to know who among US politicians will be visiting Taiwan and then track their movement all the way to Taiwan. It should be able to do likewise to US military aircraft and naval vessels approaching Taiwan. It should be able to make such information available on the Internet in real time.
> > > > What will an independent Taiwan be like? Should China wait for it to happen?
> > > >
> > > > An independent Taiwan will be a small nation. No matter how independent a small nation believes itself to be, it will always have to depend on bigger and more powerful ones.
> > > >
> > > > An independent Taiwan will be nothing but a US-dependent territory, like some of those strings of Pacific Islands. Its economy will largely depend on US trade, investments and market. Its defense and security will depend on US military might. An independent Taiwan will become a bastion of Western Powers. It will host military bases of US-and-allies. Japan and India will be two of those allies.
> > > >
> > > > Changing The Population
> > > > As it is now, the US-and-allies consider Taiwan’s population too Chinese for comfort. To them, the DPP government social engineering policies to indoctrinate the people on the island to believe that they are Taiwanese rather than Chinese are good and necessary but not sufficient. To be more on the safe side, US-and-allies would want a drastic change in the ethnic composition of the population. They would want to see a more diverse and inclusive population where the Chinese will make up only one of many ethnicity. Immigration will be the way to this end. The DPP will be pressured to accept many more non-Chinese immigrants. Priorities will be given to those from the nations of the QUAD. Japan will be very keen to participate in such a scheme. Its an opportunity for the Japs to relive their colonial past in Taiwan. It will be a godsend for India where the population growth is out-of-control. Following the change in the ethnic mix of the population will come the cultural change. US-and-allies will push for the “melting pot” model where people of various ethnicity will have one Westernised, English-speaking culture. With such a population, Taiwan can easily become an anti-China and anti-Chinese Rebel Island.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Those occasional China’s military exercises are not helping to prevent the above scenario from happenning. Instead they provide accuses for the US and the DPP government to work together to push Taiwan towards such a scenario. In respond to the exercises, more American and European politicians are visiting Taiwan and the US will speed up its arms sales to Taiwan. That schoolgirl President of Taiwan is talking and acting tough. When the first bomb is dropped, she will run to hide underneath her bed and wet her pants.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Recently there was an announcement of Taiwan recruiting more foreign workers.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3190982/why-taiwan-suddenly-needs-400000-foreign-workers-critical
> > > >
> > > > They will be the new immigrants and most will be non-Chinese.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How long can China wait when Taiwan is turning into an anti-China anti-Chinese polity by the day?
> > > https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/19/asia/biden-us-troops-defend-taiwan-intl-hnk/index.html
> > >
> > > This should not and will not deter China from reuniting with Taiwan, by force, if necessary. The question is to what extent will the US be prepared to defend Taiwan. In the Chinese civil war, they supplied arms and advisors to the Nationalists which in the end still lost the war. Or like in the past in Korea, Vietnam and more recently, Afghanistan? In all three cases, the US could not last to the end in the fight. In Korea, it agreed to an armistice. In Vietnam, it was kicked out. In Afghanistan, it fled with its tail between its legs.
> > >
> > > Bear in mind that in all four cases, the US had the luxury of fighting away from home ground. As a result, it enemies home grounds suffered damages while its own home ground remained intact. Fighting against China in the 21st Century will be different. China has the capability to bring the fight to the US homeland. It can by-pass and leapfrog the rings-of-fires and tripwires the US has built around it. More importantly, the fight can turn nuclear. How many Americans will be willing to suffer a nuclear attack in their own homeland in defence of Taiwan?
> > >
> > > Before any further futile talks or sabre-rattlings, the US should conduct a nationwide survey with the following question:
> > >
> > > Should the US take the risk of being nuked by China in order to prevent a China-Taiwan Reunification?
> > >
> > > Those Taiwan Independents would be most interested to know the result..
> > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> >
> > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > if the situation is reversed.
> China should not show that it can wait when the DPP is in government because this will give the Taiwan Independents the impression that the DPP is strong enough to stand up to China and protect Taiwan. Public opinions will sway towards the DPP. Then, the DPP will win election after election. China should make the Taiwanese Independents and other Taiwanese realise that the DPP government always put the island on a warpath with China, thus putting the people on the island in mortal danger.

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:13:22 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:

> > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?

> Not Taiwan.
> Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> term.
>
> The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.

Imagine this could happen when China unified Taiwan people back to its people in China:

When the PLA forces walked into Taiwan, the people there will line the streets to clap their hands, and cried to welcome them, for freeing them from their evil leader, Tsai. They will line the street to thank the PLA troops for freeing them and reuniting them with their families and relatives in the motherland, China. The Taiwanese people will capture the wicked Tsai. They will hand her over to their butcher's market to put her into the pig cage for the water dipping ritual before airfreighted to China. Her deployed troops will return to camps and disarmed and report for prisoners-of-war's headcounts. They will be kept in camps until their parents come forward to identify them and to strip off their rank, uniform, and boot and burn them and change them into civilian white T-shirt emblazon with the word "We nearly lost Taiwan by being puppet to US.

ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
>> > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
>> >
>> > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
>> > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
>> > if the situation is reversed.
>> What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
>
> Not Taiwan.
> Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and
> present. ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for
> both short and long term.
> […]

So what? Formally you are right. But after abandoning "One *RoC*
China" RoC became Taiwan *politically*.

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On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:39:12 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> >> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> >> > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> >> >
> >> > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> >> > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> >> > if the situation is reversed.
> >> What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> >
> > Not Taiwan.
> > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and
> > present. ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for
> > both short and long term.
> > […]
>
> So what? Formally you are right.
> But after abandoning "One *RoC*
> China" RoC became Taiwan *politically*.

The ROC constitution was amended at 199 to designate Taiwan Island +
some small islands as the Free Area of the Republic of China. But the ROC
Constitution is still in force. Politically speaking, the ROC government must
operate according to the ROC constitution. Hence Taiwan as an independent
political entity does not exists, past and present, formally and operationally.

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ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:39:12 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
>> ltlee1 wrote:
>> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
>> >> > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
>> >> >
>> >> > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
>> >> > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
>> >> > if the situation is reversed.
>> >> What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
>> >
>> > Not Taiwan.
>> > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and
>> > present. ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for
>> > both short and long term.
>> > […]
>>
>> So what? Formally you are right.
>> But after abandoning "One *RoC*
>> China" RoC became Taiwan *politically*.
>
>
> The ROC constitution was amended at 199 to designate Taiwan Island +
> some small islands as the Free Area of the Republic of China. But the ROC
> Constitution is still in force. Politically speaking, the ROC government must
> operate according to the ROC constitution. Hence Taiwan as an independent
> political entity does not exists, past and present, formally and operationally.

Do you demand the change of RoC constitution?

Anyway: You have provided a quite reasonable argument => Taiwan should
not be recognized as an independent country before quite fundamental
_constitutional_ changes.

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On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > >
> > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > if the situation is reversed.
> > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> Not Taiwan.
> Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> term.
>
> The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
RoC - Republic of China
PRC - People’s Republic of China
In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).

RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.

What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.

That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:17:10 PM UTC+8, decadence thlon wrote:
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > >
> > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > Not Taiwan.
> > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > term.
> >
> > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> RoC - Republic of China
> PRC - People’s Republic of China
> In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
>
> RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
>
> What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
>
> That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.

Yes, those countries that treat China as "One China" policy and treat Taiwan as a de facto nation are indeed only in words. Seriously, they are bluffing China because they have to appease China with diplomatic relationship to trade and business with each other. Even then, despite their de-facto, they do trade business with Taiwan also.

Henceforth, China must step the recovery of Taiwan and not to wait as Taiwan is gearing up purchases of high weaponry with US to fight China. US has interest in the supply for business revenues but also to station a base in Taiwan for its permanent confrontation at China.

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 8:17:10 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > >
> > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > Not Taiwan.
> > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > term.
> >
> > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> RoC - Republic of China
> PRC - People’s Republic of China
> In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
>
> RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang.

Impossible in reality.
For example, the following Act enacted by the ROC government concerning the relation between
mainland and Taiwan people.
https://law.moj.gov.tw/LawClass/LawAll.aspx?PCode=Q0010001
" 第 一 章 總則
第 1 條
國家統一前，為確保臺灣地區安全與民眾福祉，規範臺灣地區與大陸地區人民之往來，並處理衍生之法律事件，特制定本條例。本條例未規定者，適用其他有關法令之規定....

Chapter I General Provisions
Article 1
This Act is specially enacted for the purposes of ensuring the security and public welfare in the Taiwan Area, regulating dealings between the peoples of the Taiwan Area and the Mainland Area, and handling legal matters arising therefrom before national unification. With regard to matters not provided for in this Act, the provisions of other relevant laws and regulations shall apply."

"...before NATIONAL UNIFICATION."

> To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.

DDP leader sold their TI souls for ROC power. DPP certainly could maintain their TI position as
a revolutionary party of the ROC. Once DDP took power and swore to the ROC Constitution, they
should honor their commitment and uphold the ROC Constitution. The ROC is not a government
in exile. But it could function as a revolutionary part of China. And fulfills the promise and hope
of the free area of the ROC and proves to the world that its system is better. Unfortunately, ROC
have lost their collective heart because of its so called democracy.

As is, Taiwan is more like an area the ROC where the leaders are lack of calcium,. As a whole,
soulless and heartless. Even if the PRC does not take Taiwan back by force, its leader would one
day surrender. Currently, it is "...before NATIONAL UNIFICATION."

>
> What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy.
> That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five
> Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.

The ROC exists to benefit its people, mainlanders as well as Taiwaners per its constitution. Other
countries have no such obligation. Whether ROC is souless and heartless have little to do with
foreign countries. It is about ROC leaders. The PRC did not defeat the ROC and won the people by
hiding behind other countries.

>
> That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 9:16:51 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:17:10 PM UTC+8, decadence thlon wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > Not Taiwan.
> > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > term.
> > >
> > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> > RoC - Republic of China
> > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> >
> > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> >
> > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> >
> > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> Yes, those countries that treat China as "One China" policy and treat Taiwan as a de facto nation are indeed only in words. Seriously, they are bluffing China because they have to appease China with diplomatic relationship to trade and business with each other. Even then, despite their de-facto, they do trade business with Taiwan also.
>
> Henceforth, China must step the recovery of Taiwan and not to wait as Taiwan is gearing up purchases of high weaponry with US to fight China. US has interest in the supply for business revenues but also to station a base in Taiwan for its permanent confrontation at China.

While China keeps talking about Peaceful Reunification, the US is preparing for war a big with China over the issue. It is moving in huge amount of war supplies to Japan, South Korea, Philippines and Taiwan. This is to ensure that it will not have the logistics problem caused by the Pacific Ocean lying between Taiwan and US. It is providing weapons to Taiwan on a use-first-pay-later arrangement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4dKqTgjSlo

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:25:08 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 9:16:51 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:17:10 PM UTC+8, decadence thlon wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > > Not Taiwan.
> > > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > > term.
> > > >
> > > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> > > RoC - Republic of China
> > > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> > >
> > > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> > >
> > > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> > >
> > > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> > Yes, those countries that treat China as "One China" policy and treat Taiwan as a de facto nation are indeed only in words. Seriously, they are bluffing China because they have to appease China with diplomatic relationship to trade and business with each other. Even then, despite their de-facto, they do trade business with Taiwan also.
> >
> > Henceforth, China must step the recovery of Taiwan and not to wait as Taiwan is gearing up purchases of high weaponry with US to fight China. US has interest in the supply for business revenues but also to station a base in Taiwan for its permanent confrontation at China.
> While China keeps talking about Peaceful Reunification, the US is preparing for war a big with China over the issue. It is moving in huge amount of war supplies to Japan, South Korea, Philippines and Taiwan. This is to ensure that it will not have the logistics problem caused by the Pacific Ocean lying between Taiwan and US. It is providing weapons to Taiwan on a use-first-pay-later arrangement.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4dKqTgjSlo

So?

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 9:16:51 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:17:10 PM UTC+8, decadence thlon wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > Not Taiwan.
> > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > term.
> > >
> > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> > RoC - Republic of China
> > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> >
> > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> >
> > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> >
> > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> Yes, those countries that treat China as "One China" policy and treat Taiwan as a de facto nation are indeed only in words. Seriously, they are bluffing China because they have to appease China with diplomatic relationship to trade and business with each other. Even then, despite their de-facto, they do trade business with Taiwan also.
>
> Henceforth, China must step the recovery of Taiwan and not to wait as Taiwan is gearing up purchases of high weaponry with US to fight China. US has interest in the supply for business revenues but also to station a base in Taiwan for its permanent confrontation at China.
US intention is not new.
I find it odd that China was recycling Xi's 4+ years old speech in which he emphasized the long view.
http://www.qstheory.cn/dukan/qs/2022-09/15/c_1129000323.htm
"党的十九届一中全会后我见中外记者时说，中国共产党立志于中华民族千秋伟业，百年恰是风华正茂。同时，我讲这个话时也是有深深的忧患意识的。从我国历史看，朝代存在时间长的有夏朝400多年、商朝约600年、西周约300年、东周500多年、西汉215年、东汉195年、唐朝290年、明朝277年、清朝268年，短的有秦朝15年、三国61年、北宋167年、南宋153年、元朝90年、民国38年，其他小朝代昙花一现、朝生暮死不计其数。秦朝、北宋、元朝都曾经是不可一世的强国，但很快就日薄西山。就是那些时间较长的朝代，后期也都是朝政腐败、社会动荡、民怨沸腾、反抗不断，很多都是苟延残喘、奄奄一息了。这说明，一个政权建立起来后，要保持兴旺发达、长治久安是很不容易的。如果不自省、不警惕、不努力，再强大的政权都可能走到穷途末路。
　　现在，我们党成立97年了，新中国成立69年了。苏共存在了86年，苏联存在了74年。我们党的历史超过了苏共，我们党掌握全国政权的历史还不及苏联。到本世纪中叶，我们党的历史将接近130年，新中国的历史将达到100年。邓小平同志说，“巩固和发展社会主义制度，还需要一个很长的历史阶段，需要我们几代人、十几代人，甚至几十代人坚持不懈地努力奋斗”。那是多少年？要按千年来计算。这就是说，我们要把中国特色社会主义建设好、建设成，需要一个很长的历史时期。在这个漫长历史进程中，确保中国共产党不垮、中国社会主义制度不倒，是一个极难极大的风险挑战。曾几何时，苏共何其强大，苏联何其强大，现在早已是“故国不堪回首月明中”了。一代人干一代人的事，但没有历史眼光，没有长远眼光，也干不好当下的事情。"
The first sentence of the above: The CCP has a 1000 year ambition for the Chinese people, at 100 years it is having its best of time. At the same time, I am deeply worried.
The last sentence of the above: Every generation has its own responsibility, but without a historical perspective and the long view, it cannot do its properly. In short, PRC sees time is on its side.

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 7:22:41 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 9:16:51 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:17:10 PM UTC+8, decadence thlon wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > > Not Taiwan.
> > > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > > term.
> > > >
> > > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> > > RoC - Republic of China
> > > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> > >
> > > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> > >
> > > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> > >
> > > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> > Yes, those countries that treat China as "One China" policy and treat Taiwan as a de facto nation are indeed only in words. Seriously, they are bluffing China because they have to appease China with diplomatic relationship to trade and business with each other. Even then, despite their de-facto, they do trade business with Taiwan also.
> >
> > Henceforth, China must step the recovery of Taiwan and not to wait as Taiwan is gearing up purchases of high weaponry with US to fight China. US has interest in the supply for business revenues but also to station a base in Taiwan for its permanent confrontation at China.
> US intention is not new.
> I find it odd that China was recycling Xi's 4+ years old speech in which he emphasized the long view.
> http://www.qstheory.cn/dukan/qs/2022-09/15/c_1129000323.htm
>
> "党的十九届一中全会后我见中外记者时说，中国共产党立志于中华民族千秋伟业，百年恰是风华正茂。同时，我讲这个话时也是有深深的忧患意识的。从我国历史看，朝代存在时间长的有夏朝400多年、商朝约600年、西周约300年、东周500多年、西汉215年、东汉195年、唐朝290年、明朝277年、清朝268年，短的有秦朝15年、三国61年、北宋167年、南宋153年、元朝90年、民国38年，其他小朝代昙花一现、朝生暮死不计其数。秦朝、北宋、元朝都曾经是不可一世的强国，但很快就日薄西山。就是那些时间较长的朝代，后期也都是朝政腐败、社会动荡、民怨沸腾、反抗不断，很多都是苟延残喘、奄奄一息了。这说明，一个政权建立起来后，要保持兴旺发达、长治久安是很不容易的。如果不自省、不警惕、不努力，再强大的政权都可能走到穷途末路。
>
> 　　现在，我们党成立97年了，新中国成立69年了。苏共存在了86年，苏联存在了74年。我们党的历史超过了苏共，我们党掌握全国政权的历史还不及苏联。到本世纪中叶，我们党的历史将接近130年，新中国的历史将达到100年。邓小平同志说，“巩固和发展社会主义制度，还需要一个很长的历史阶段，需要我们几代人、十几代人，甚至几十代人坚持不懈地努力奋斗”。那是多少年？要按千年来计算。这就是说，我们要把中国特色社会主义建设好、建设成，需要一个很长的历史时期。在这个漫长历史进程中，确保中国共产党不垮、中国社会主义制度不倒，是一个极难极大的风险挑战。曾几何时，苏共何其强大，苏联何其强大，现在早已是“故国不堪回首月明中”了。一代人干一代人的事，但没有历史眼光，没有长远眼光，也干不好当下的事情。"
>
> The first sentence of the above: The CCP has a 1000 year ambition for the Chinese people, at 100 years it is having its best of time. At the same time, I am deeply worried.
> The last sentence of the above: Every generation has its own responsibility, but without a historical perspective and the long view, it cannot do its properly. In short, PRC sees time is on its side.

Nothing wrong in being recycling his speech as it meant to save him from repeating the same thing on the subject. Speech is also a policy speech and hence is used against the policy that is implemented. Hence, it is okay to rehash his speech in order to avoid having to make mistake of his speech made several years ago. In short, with internet, it makes life easier to repost it again and again from time to time to remind the respective audiences on the subject mentioned.

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 4:59:38 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:39:12 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> >> ltlee1 wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> >> >> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> >> >> > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> >> >> > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> >> >> > if the situation is reversed.
> >> >> What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> >> >
> >> > Not Taiwan.
> >> > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and
> >> > present. ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for
> >> > both short and long term.
> >> > […]
> >>
> >> So what? Formally you are right.
> >> But after abandoning "One *RoC*
> >> China" RoC became Taiwan *politically*.
> >
> >
> > The ROC constitution was amended at 199 to designate Taiwan Island +
> > some small islands as the Free Area of the Republic of China. But the ROC
> > Constitution is still in force. Politically speaking, the ROC government must
> > operate according to the ROC constitution. Hence Taiwan as an independent
> > political entity does not exists, past and present, formally and operationally.
> Do you demand the change of RoC constitution?

I don't.
But those who want to change ROC into Taiwan did try to change the ROC map from
the whole of China to just Taiwan + islands. They failed.

The following is the first page of the ROC Constitution:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Republic_of_China#/media/File:1946_National_Assembly_Constitution.jpg

Among other things, it states clearly that the ROC was established for the benefits of
all people (of China.} And the sovereignty of the ROC belongs to all people (of China.)
>
> Anyway: You have provided a quite reasonable argument => Taiwan should
> not be recognized as an independent country before quite fundamental
> _constitutional_ changes.
> --
> A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> | Intuition, however illogical, is recognized as a command
> | prerogative. (Kirk, "Obsession", stardate 3620.7)

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:05:17 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 4:59:38 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:39:12 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > >> ltlee1 wrote:
> > >> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > >> >> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > >> >> > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > >> >> > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > >> >> > if the situation is reversed.
> > >> >> What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > >> >
> > >> > Not Taiwan.
> > >> > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and
> > >> > present. ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for
> > >> > both short and long term.
> > >> > […]
> > >>
> > >> So what? Formally you are right.
> > >> But after abandoning "One *RoC*
> > >> China" RoC became Taiwan *politically*.
> > >
> > >
> > > The ROC constitution was amended at 199 to designate Taiwan Island +
> > > some small islands as the Free Area of the Republic of China. But the ROC
> > > Constitution is still in force. Politically speaking, the ROC government must
> > > operate according to the ROC constitution. Hence Taiwan as an independent
> > > political entity does not exists, past and present, formally and operationally.
> > Do you demand the change of RoC constitution?
> I don't.
> But those who want to change ROC into Taiwan did try to change the ROC map from
> the whole of China to just Taiwan + islands. They failed.
>
> The following is the first page of the ROC Constitution:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Republic_of_China#/media/File:1946_National_Assembly_Constitution.jpg
>
> Among other things, it states clearly that the ROC was established for the benefits of
> all people (of China.} And the sovereignty of the ROC belongs to all people (of China.)
> >
> > Anyway: You have provided a quite reasonable argument => Taiwan should
> > not be recognized as an independent country before quite fundamental
> > _constitutional_ changes.
> > --
> > A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> > | Intuition, however illogical, is recognized as a command
> > | prerogative. (Kirk, "Obsession", stardate 3620.7)

ROC constitution can change. Can change to abolish and amend existing and to also install new ones, too.

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 8:55:42 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:05:17 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 4:59:38 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:39:12 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > > >> ltlee1 wrote:
> > > >> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > >> >> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > >> >> > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > >> >> > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > >> >> > if the situation is reversed.
> > > >> >> What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Not Taiwan.
> > > >> > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and
> > > >> > present. ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for
> > > >> > both short and long term.
> > > >> > […]
> > > >>
> > > >> So what? Formally you are right.
> > > >> But after abandoning "One *RoC*
> > > >> China" RoC became Taiwan *politically*.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The ROC constitution was amended at 199 to designate Taiwan Island +
> > > > some small islands as the Free Area of the Republic of China. But the ROC
> > > > Constitution is still in force. Politically speaking, the ROC government must
> > > > operate according to the ROC constitution. Hence Taiwan as an independent
> > > > political entity does not exists, past and present, formally and operationally.
> > > Do you demand the change of RoC constitution?
> > I don't.
> > But those who want to change ROC into Taiwan did try to change the ROC map from
> > the whole of China to just Taiwan + islands. They failed.
> >
> > The following is the first page of the ROC Constitution:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Republic_of_China#/media/File:1946_National_Assembly_Constitution.jpg
> >
> > Among other things, it states clearly that the ROC was established for the benefits of
> > all people (of China.} And the sovereignty of the ROC belongs to all people (of China.)
> > >
> > > Anyway: You have provided a quite reasonable argument => Taiwan should
> > > not be recognized as an independent country before quite fundamental
> > > _constitutional_ changes.
> > > --
> > > A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> > > | Intuition, however illogical, is recognized as a command
> > > | prerogative. (Kirk, "Obsession", stardate 3620.7)
> ROC constitution can change. Can change to abolish and amend existing and to also install new ones, too.

Could be changed in theory just like all other constitutions.
They question is by whom?

Can New Yorkers remove the Second amendment of the US Constitution?
Can people in the "free region" of the ROC change the ROC Constitution?
New Yorkers by themselves do not constitute "We the People" of the US
People in the free region by themselves, likewise do not constitute "We the People" of the ROC.

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 9:20:02 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 8:55:42 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:05:17 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 4:59:38 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > > > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 11:39:12 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > > > >> ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > >> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > >> >> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > >> >> > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > >> >> > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > >> >> > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > >> >> What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Not Taiwan.
> > > > >> > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and
> > > > >> > present. ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for
> > > > >> > both short and long term.
> > > > >> > […]
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So what? Formally you are right.
> > > > >> But after abandoning "One *RoC*
> > > > >> China" RoC became Taiwan *politically*.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The ROC constitution was amended at 199 to designate Taiwan Island +
> > > > > some small islands as the Free Area of the Republic of China. But the ROC
> > > > > Constitution is still in force. Politically speaking, the ROC government must
> > > > > operate according to the ROC constitution. Hence Taiwan as an independent
> > > > > political entity does not exists, past and present, formally and operationally.
> > > > Do you demand the change of RoC constitution?
> > > I don't.
> > > But those who want to change ROC into Taiwan did try to change the ROC map from
> > > the whole of China to just Taiwan + islands. They failed.
> > >
> > > The following is the first page of the ROC Constitution:
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Republic_of_China#/media/File:1946_National_Assembly_Constitution.jpg
> > >
> > > Among other things, it states clearly that the ROC was established for the benefits of
> > > all people (of China.} And the sovereignty of the ROC belongs to all people (of China.)
> > > >
> > > > Anyway: You have provided a quite reasonable argument => Taiwan should
> > > > not be recognized as an independent country before quite fundamental
> > > > _constitutional_ changes.
> > > > --
> > > > A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> > > > | Intuition, however illogical, is recognized as a command
> > > > | prerogative. (Kirk, "Obsession", stardate 3620.7)
> > ROC constitution can change. Can change to abolish and amend existing and to also install new ones, too.
> Could be changed in theory just like all other constitutions.
> They question is by whom?
>
> Can New Yorkers remove the Second amendment of the US Constitution?
> Can people in the "free region" of the ROC change the ROC Constitution?
> New Yorkers by themselves do not constitute "We the People" of the US
> People in the free region by themselves, likewise do not constitute "We the People" of the ROC.

US could remove by congress, or a referendum for the people. Similarly, ROC is run by DPP, which formed the majority in parliament can tender a bill for a constitutional change through passing a bill on it, or referendum on the people. Seriously, everything in law can be changed, amended, or repealed.