The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.

The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.

It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.

This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.

Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.

The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.

China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.

Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.

All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.

It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win.. The best outcome.

gerard jud <gerardjud@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
> reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
> visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
> efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> […]

I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo

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On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 2:13:07 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
> > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
> > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
> > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > […]
>
> I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
> really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
> Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
> circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
> matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.

"Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

America becomes a great power because it made a lot of right choices.
Power and picking right choices go hand in hand. Power allows more choices.
The freedom to choosing the right choice among a larger plate of alternatives
mean greater power down the road.

Corruption, in contrast, means refusal to make the right choices. Rigid thinking
as well as rigid behavior. The question before the US government and Americans
in general is whether preserving existing state of affairs (status quo) according to
whom and what criteria is the best choice among other alternatives.

Western democracy in general and America democracy appears to work during the
last century. Is it still working as expected today? Of course, making Western democracy
a kind of religion would allow practitioners of such democracy to evade the hard question.
Why bother? Western democracy is infallible relative to Communism.

Action's "Power tends to corrupt" apply to various power in general.
Action's "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" applies to infallibility especially the religious
or quasi religious kind.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
>
> --
> A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> | To update Voltaire, "I may kill all msgs from you, but I'll fight
> | for your right to post it, and I'll let it reside on my disks".
> | (Doug Thompson (do...@isishq.FIDONET.ORG))

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.

The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?

The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
>
> The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious.. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
>
> It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
>
> This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
>
> Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
>
> The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.
>
> China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.
>
> Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
>
> All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
>
> It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.

On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
> > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
> > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
> > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > […]
>
> I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
> really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
> Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
> circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
> matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
>
> --
> A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> | To update Voltaire, "I may kill all msgs from you, but I'll fight
> | for your right to post it, and I'll let it reside on my disks".
> | (Doug Thompson (do...@isishq.FIDONET.ORG))

Status quo do change.
Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan. The West would want this to be permanent status quo. But not China.

The US or any other nations should not get involved in the issue of China-Taiwan Reunification. Its none of their business. It's China's internal affair!

On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:50:16 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?
>
> The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
> >
> > The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
> >
> > It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
> >
> > This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
> >
> > Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
> >
> > The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.
> >
> > China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.
> >
> > Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> > 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> > 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
> >
> > All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
> >
> > It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.

Taiwan and 21st Century Global Politics

What’s happening in Taiwan today has a broader context – Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century.

The US has clearly postulated a paradigm shift in its Global Strategy for the 21st Century – from Christian-Judeao-Islamic conflict to Big Power Conflict, the big powers being US, Russia and China.

For Russia the conflict is about the expansion of NATO towards the Russian border.

For China , it’s more complex and involve more nations and geographical areas - India, Japan, Australia, South China Sea, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan

The US-led West is planning for War on China. That’s the only way to stop the rise of China. Look at their possible plots against China and what role will they use Taiwan play in it, some of which are already implemented.

Use India as a counterweight against China.

Bring India into the Asia-Pacific and rename it Indo-Pacific,.

Create a NATO-like alliance against China, starting with the QUAD of US, India, Japan, Australia.

Create economic alliances that exclude China.

For Taiwan specifically:

Distance Taiwan from China. Drive a wedge between the island and the mainland.

Widen their political divide. Democratise Taiwan.

Arm the island with US weapons. These will first make it difficult for China to mount a military takeover. These weapons will become increasingly advanced until they can threaten the security of China.

A US military base on the island.

Make Taiwan a member of the Asia-Pacific version of NATO.

Most of these can happen only if Taiwan becomes an Independent Nation. That’s the way Taiwan will go if it is not reunited with China. Never trust those Westerners when they profess that they support the One-China Policy and are against Taiwan Independence. Reunification should happen sooner rather than later. The sooner the better.

Now that China has started military exercises around Taiwan, it faces a dilemma. Should they be stopped or should they be carried on until their real objective, Reunification, is reached?

What will happen if China stop these exercises before their real objective is reached? The repercussions for China will be dire. The US will use the exercises to frighten the DPP government into speeding up those scenarios for Taiwan as listed above.

Should China turn the military exercises to “special military operations” to reunify with Taiwan?

Before doing this, China should plan and co-ordinate with other countries which are also struggling against US world hegemony - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Middle East, Afghanistan, Russia.

gerard jud <gerardjud@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
>> gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
>> > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
>> > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
>> > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
>> > […]
>>
>> I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
>> really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
>> Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
>> circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
>> matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
>
> Status quo do change.
> Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
> Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan. The West would want this to
> be permanent status quo. But not China.
>
> The US or any other nations should not get involved in the issue of
> China-Taiwan Reunification. Its none of their business. It's China's
> internal affair!

IMHO Taiwan is China internal affair but it is not PRC/communist China
internal affair. China had changed "a little" before HK New Territories
lease expired. [I bet the lease was intended as face saving legal
fiction but it turned out otherwise].

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On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:39:42 AM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
> > > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
> > > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
> > > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > > […]
> >
> > I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
> > really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
> > Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
> > circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
> > matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
> >
> > --
> > A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> > | To update Voltaire, "I may kill all msgs from you, but I'll fight
> > | for your right to post it, and I'll let it reside on my disks".
> > | (Doug Thompson (do...@isishq.FIDONET.ORG))
> Status quo do change.
> Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
> Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan.

Not really.
The ROC was considered a democracy under Chiang Kai Shek according by the US as its allies. He was
certainly America's point man in the fight against Communism in East Asia. He, likewise treated the then
underground DPP as evil just like the US had treated its underground Communist Party.

Chiang Ching-kuo became the ROC president after Chiang Kai Shek's death. He was in man way ROC's
Deng. His policy greatly improve the economy and he allowed the DDP to participate in politics.

"Jay Taylor has described Chiang Ching-kuo as a figure who mixed the ideologies of Soviet communism,
Chinese nationalism, Taiwanese localism and American democracy, who became the helmsman of the
democratization of Taiwan.[41]

Unlike his highly controversial father, Chiang Ching-kuo’s reputation is overwhelmingly positive among the
Taiwanese population as the people of Taiwan recognizes his economic and social achievements, as well as
his efforts of democratization. 38.7% of the population considers him the best president who contributed the
most to Taiwan, and he was rated 84.8/100 by the Taiwanese population." (Wikepedia.com)

> The West would want this to be permanent status quo. But not China.
Where do you get this? Please don't make thing up.

To be sure, the PRC is under the one party rule of CCP. And the ROC is a
multiparty system today. So far no official statement on how Taiwan
should be governed. Simple reason, Taiwan is still an independent political
entity. It has internal legitimacy but almost zero external legitimacy.

The current PRC paradigm is
1) One China differently expressed and
2) No military action as long as the the ROC does not seek independence.
ROC 's Nationalist Party accepts both premises. The DPP rejects the One
China party but accepts the second one by default.

If the ROC is suggested 1C2S, the PRC would certainly accepts.

> The US or any other nations should not get involved in the issue of China-Taiwan Reunification. Its none of their business. It's China's internal affair!
Agree that China-Mainland and China-Taiwan reunification is totally China's internal affair.

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 2:28:14 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> >> gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
> >> > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
> >> > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
> >> > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> >> > […]
> >>
> >> I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
> >> really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
> >> Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
> >> circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
> >> matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
> >
> > Status quo do change.
> > Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
> > Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan. The West would want this to
> > be permanent status quo. But not China.
> >
> > The US or any other nations should not get involved in the issue of
> > China-Taiwan Reunification. Its none of their business. It's China's
> > internal affair!
> IMHO Taiwan is China internal affair but it is not PRC/communist China
> internal affair.

For nations including the US which has accepted the One China principle,
i.e. there is only One China and the PRC is the sole legitimate representation
of CHINA, China's internal affair is 100% PRC/Communist China's
internal affair.

> China had changed "a little" before HK New Territories
> lease expired. [I bet the lease was intended as face saving legal
> fiction but it turned out otherwise].
> --
> A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> | I call them as I see them. If I can't see them, I make them up.
> | (Biff Barf)

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:00:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:39:42 AM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > > gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
> > > > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
> > > > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
> > > > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > > > […]
> > >
> > > I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
> > > really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
> > > Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
> > > circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
> > > matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
> > >
> > > --
> > > A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> > > | To update Voltaire, "I may kill all msgs from you, but I'll fight
> > > | for your right to post it, and I'll let it reside on my disks".
> > > | (Doug Thompson (do...@isishq.FIDONET.ORG))
> > Status quo do change.
> > Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
> > Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan.
> Not really.

Yes, really. Please don't make things up.

> The ROC was considered a democracy under Chiang Kai Shek according by the US as its allies. He was
> certainly America's point man in the fight against Communism in East Asia.. He, likewise treated the then
> underground DPP as evil just like the US had treated its underground Communist Party.
>
> Chiang Ching-kuo became the ROC president after Chiang Kai Shek's death. He was in man way ROC's
> Deng. His policy greatly improve the economy and he allowed the DDP to participate in politics.
>
> "Jay Taylor has described Chiang Ching-kuo as a figure who mixed the ideologies of Soviet communism,
> Chinese nationalism, Taiwanese localism and American democracy, who became the helmsman of the
> democratization of Taiwan.[41]
>
> Unlike his highly controversial father, Chiang Ching-kuo’s reputation is overwhelmingly positive among the
> Taiwanese population as the people of Taiwan recognizes his economic and social achievements, as well as
> his efforts of democratization. 38.7% of the population considers him the best president who contributed the
> most to Taiwan, and he was rated 84.8/100 by the Taiwanese population." (Wikepedia.com)
> > The West would want this to be permanent status quo. But not China.
> Where do you get this? Please don't make thing up.
>
> To be sure, the PRC is under the one party rule of CCP. And the ROC is a
> multiparty system today. So far no official statement on how Taiwan
> should be governed. Simple reason, Taiwan is still an independent political
> entity. It has internal legitimacy but almost zero external legitimacy.
>
> The current PRC paradigm is
> 1) One China differently expressed and
> 2) No military action as long as the the ROC does not seek independence.
> ROC 's Nationalist Party accepts both premises. The DPP rejects the One
> China party but accepts the second one by default.
>
> If the ROC is suggested 1C2S, the PRC would certainly accepts.
> > The US or any other nations should not get involved in the issue of China-Taiwan Reunification. Its none of their business. It's China's internal affair!
> Agree that China-Mainland and China-Taiwan reunification is totally China's internal affair.

bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:00:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:39:42 AM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
>> > > gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
>> > > > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
>> > > > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
>> > > > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
>> > > > […]
>> > >
>> > > I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
>> > > really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
>> > > Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
>> > > circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
>> > > matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
>> > >
>> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
>> >
>> > Status quo do change.
>> > Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
>> > Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan.
>> Not really.
>
> Yes, really. Please don't make things up.
>
>> The ROC was considered a democracy under Chiang Kai Shek according by
>> the US as its allies. He was certainly America's point man in the
>> fight against Communism in East Asia. He, likewise treated the then
>> underground DPP as evil just like the US had treated its underground
>> Communist Party.
> […]

Sate directly *when* according to you "democracy entered Taiwan".
Taiwan is democratic today but I am not eager to treat 38 years of
martial law [A] as anything more than a Potemkin village democracy [B].
It lasted _much_ longer than a little bit too long.

Status quo may change *slowly* to be still treated as status quo.

[A] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan#Martial_law_era_(1949%E2%80%931987)
> Martial law era (1949–1987)
[B] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village

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> [B] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village

The English Wikipedia article's claim "modern historians are divided on
the degree of truth behind the Potemkin village story" is false. Among
real historians there is quite a consensus that the story is a pure myth.
Origin and promotion of the myth is well-traceable via various sources.
Read the Russian Wikipedia article <https://is.gd/ld10Ii> through machine
translation to know the true story behind the myth. Also, the name of the
hero was Potyomkin, not Potemkin.

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 10:15:16 AM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:00:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> >> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:39:42 AM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> >> > > gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
> >> > > > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
> >> > > > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
> >> > > > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> >> > > > […]
> >> > >
> >> > > I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
> >> > > really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
> >> > > Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
> >> > > circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
> >> > > matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
> >> > >
> >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
> >> >
> >> > Status quo do change.
> >> > Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
> >> > Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan.
> >> Not really.
> >
> > Yes, really. Please don't make things up.
> >
> >> The ROC was considered a democracy under Chiang Kai Shek according by
> >> the US as its allies. He was certainly America's point man in the
> >> fight against Communism in East Asia. He, likewise treated the then
> >> underground DPP as evil just like the US had treated its underground
> >> Communist Party.
> > […]
>
> Sate directly *when* according to you "democracy entered Taiwan".
> Taiwan is democratic today but I am not eager to treat 38 years of
> martial law [A] as anything more than a Potemkin village democracy [B].
> It lasted _much_ longer than a little bit too long.

Yes. I was actually *in* Taiwan when LTH won the first election in the 90s. PRC fired missiles, as usual.

Have you been to Taiwan?

> Status quo may change *slowly* to be still treated as status quo.

The Taiwanese evolution to democracy has been fairly fast, actually. CKS's son started it.

> [A] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan#Martial_law_era_(1949%E2%80%931987)
> > Martial law era (1949–1987)
> [B] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
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"Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote:
>> [B] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
>
> The English Wikipedia article's claim "modern historians are divided
> on the degree of truth behind the Potemkin village story" is
> false. Among real historians there is quite a consensus that the story
> is a pure myth.
> Origin and promotion of the myth is well-traceable via various
> sources. Read the Russian Wikipedia article <https://is.gd/ld10Ii>
> through machine
> translation to know the true story behind the myth. Also, the name of the
> hero was Potyomkin, not Potemkin.

Potemkin village is as good as spanish inquisition and "And you are
lynching negros". Historical "exactness" is of secondary importance
in non historians discussions.

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A. Filip, <news:anfi+feo64t0n0f-m870@wp.eu>
> "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote:

>>> [B] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
>>
>> The English Wikipedia article's claim "modern historians are divided
>> on the degree of truth behind the Potemkin village story" is
>> false. Among real historians there is quite a consensus that the story
>> is a pure myth. Origin and promotion of the myth is well-traceable via
>> various sources. Read the Russian Wikipedia article
>> <https://is.gd/ld10Ii> through machine translation to know the true
>> story behind the myth. Also, the name of the hero was Potyomkin, not
>> Potemkin.
>
> Potemkin village is as good as spanish inquisition and "And you are
> lynching negros". Historical "exactness" is of secondary importance
> in non historians discussions.

A. Filip is a Polish troll who was caught many times using fictitious
quotations and anecdotes (oftenly linked with Russia, since many Poles
have a strong fixation on Russia).

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:00:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> >> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:39:42 AM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> >> > > gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
> >> > > > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
> >> > > > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
> >> > > > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> >> > > > […]
> >> > >
> >> > > I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
> >> > > really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
> >> > > Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
> >> > > circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
> >> > > matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
> >> > >
> >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
> >> >
> >> > Status quo do change.
> >> > Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
> >> > Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan.
> >> Not really.
> >
> > Yes, really. Please don't make things up.
> >
> >> The ROC was considered a democracy under Chiang Kai Shek according by
> >> the US as its allies. He was certainly America's point man in the
> >> fight against Communism in East Asia. He, likewise treated the then
> >> underground DPP as evil just like the US had treated its underground
> >> Communist Party.
> > […]
>
> Sate directly *when* according to you "democracy entered Taiwan".
> Taiwan is democratic today but I am not eager to treat 38 years of
> martial law [A] as anything more than a Potemkin village democracy [B].
> It lasted _much_ longer than a little bit too long.

Elector College democracy wise, ROC under Chiang Kai Shek was considered by
the US and its allies as democratic.

Elector College democracy is not the same as universal male suffrage (without elector)
democracy. And different from universal male and female suffrage. And different from
universal male and female, white and colored people democracy. As its heart, the US
is still an elector college democracy. Potemkin democracy?
..
>
> Status quo may change *slowly* to be still treated as status quo.
>
> [A] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan#Martial_law_era_(1949%E2%80%931987)
> > Martial law era (1949–1987)
> [B] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
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"Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote:
> A. Filip, <news:anfi+feo64t0n0f-m870@wp.eu>
>> "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote:
>
>>>> [B] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
>>>
>>> The English Wikipedia article's claim "modern historians are divided
>>> on the degree of truth behind the Potemkin village story" is
>>> false. Among real historians there is quite a consensus that the story
>>> is a pure myth. Origin and promotion of the myth is well-traceable via
>>> various sources. Read the Russian Wikipedia article
>>> <https://is.gd/ld10Ii> through machine translation to know the true
>>> story behind the myth. Also, the name of the hero was Potyomkin, not
>>> Potemkin.
>> Potemkin village is as good as spanish inquisition and "And you are
>> lynching negros". Historical "exactness" is of secondary importance
>> in non historians discussions.
>
> A. Filip is a Polish troll who was caught many times using fictitious
> quotations and anecdotes (oftenly linked with Russia, […]

Give message-id of such posts, state that you are expressing
your *opinion* or get lost.

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ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
>> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
>> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:00:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:39:42 AM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
>> >> > > gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
>> >> > > > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
>> >> > > > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
>> >> > > > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
>> >> > > > […]
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
>> >> > > really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
>> >> > > Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
>> >> > > circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
>> >> > > matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
>> >> >
>> >> > Status quo do change.
>> >> > Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
>> >> > Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan.
>> >> Not really.
>> >
>> > Yes, really. Please don't make things up.
>> >
>> >> The ROC was considered a democracy under Chiang Kai Shek according by
>> >> the US as its allies. He was certainly America's point man in the
>> >> fight against Communism in East Asia. He, likewise treated the then
>> >> underground DPP as evil just like the US had treated its underground
>> >> Communist Party.
>> > […]
>>
>> Sate directly *when* according to you "democracy entered Taiwan".
>> Taiwan is democratic today but I am not eager to treat 38 years of
>> martial law [A] as anything more than a Potemkin village democracy [B].
>> It lasted _much_ longer than a little bit too long.
>> […]
> Elector College democracy wise, ROC under Chiang Kai Shek was considered by
> the US and its allies as democratic.

See "Our son of a bitch" (disputed) FDR quote.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt
Do YOU share US (implied?) assessments about state of Taiwan "democracy"
under decades of martial law?

> Elector College democracy is not the same as universal male suffrage (without elector)
> democracy. And different from universal male and female suffrage. And different from
> universal male and female, white and colored people democracy. As its heart, the US
> is still an elector college democracy. Potemkin democracy?

Do you consider it as bad as 38 ears of martial law?

"Rome was not build in a day" - USA *started* as a democracy of slave
owners. Standards change over time.

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On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 4:52:20 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> >> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:00:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> >> >> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:39:42 AM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> >> >> > > gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
> >> >> > > > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
> >> >> > > > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
> >> >> > > > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> >> >> > > > […]
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
> >> >> > > really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
> >> >> > > Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
> >> >> > > circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
> >> >> > > matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Status quo do change.
> >> >> > Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
> >> >> > Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan.
> >> >> Not really.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, really. Please don't make things up.
> >> >
> >> >> The ROC was considered a democracy under Chiang Kai Shek according by
> >> >> the US as its allies. He was certainly America's point man in the
> >> >> fight against Communism in East Asia. He, likewise treated the then
> >> >> underground DPP as evil just like the US had treated its underground
> >> >> Communist Party.
> >> > […]
> >>
> >> Sate directly *when* according to you "democracy entered Taiwan".
> >> Taiwan is democratic today but I am not eager to treat 38 years of
> >> martial law [A] as anything more than a Potemkin village democracy [B]..
> >> It lasted _much_ longer than a little bit too long.
> >> […]
> > Elector College democracy wise, ROC under Chiang Kai Shek was considered by
> > the US and its allies as democratic.
> See "Our son of a bitch" (disputed) FDR quote.
> https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt
> Do YOU share US (implied?) assessments about state of Taiwan "democracy"
> under decades of martial law?
> > Elector College democracy is not the same as universal male suffrage (without elector)
> > democracy. And different from universal male and female suffrage. And different from
> > universal male and female, white and colored people democracy. As its heart, the US
> > is still an elector college democracy. Potemkin democracy?
> Do you consider it as bad as 38 ears of martial law?
>
> "Rome was not build in a day" - USA *started* as a democracy of slave
> owners. Standards change over time.

Is America today a democracy when people said the US government did not have
the consent of the people? And they don't trust the government.

ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 4:52:20 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
>> ltlee1 wrote:
>> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
>> >> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:00:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
>> >> >> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:39:42 AM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
>> >> >> > > gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
>> >> >> > > > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
>> >> >> > > > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
>> >> >> > > > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
>> >> >> > > > […]
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
>> >> >> > > really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
>> >> >> > > Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
>> >> >> > > circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
>> >> >> > > matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Status quo do change.
>> >> >> > Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
>> >> >> > Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan.
>> >> >> Not really.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, really. Please don't make things up.
>> >> >
>> >> >> The ROC was considered a democracy under Chiang Kai Shek according by
>> >> >> the US as its allies. He was certainly America's point man in the
>> >> >> fight against Communism in East Asia. He, likewise treated the then
>> >> >> underground DPP as evil just like the US had treated its underground
>> >> >> Communist Party.
>> >> > […]
>> >>
>> >> Sate directly *when* according to you "democracy entered Taiwan".
>> >> Taiwan is democratic today but I am not eager to treat 38 years of
>> >> martial law [A] as anything more than a Potemkin village democracy [B].
>> >> It lasted _much_ longer than a little bit too long.
>> >> […]
>> > Elector College democracy wise, ROC under Chiang Kai Shek was considered by
>> > the US and its allies as democratic.
>> See "Our son of a bitch" (disputed) FDR quote.
>> https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt
>> Do YOU share US (implied?) assessments about state of Taiwan "democracy"
>> under decades of martial law?
>> > Elector College democracy is not the same as universal male suffrage (without elector)
>> > democracy. And different from universal male and female suffrage. And different from
>> > universal male and female, white and colored people democracy. As its heart, the US
>> > is still an elector college democracy. Potemkin democracy?
>> Do you consider it as bad as 38 ears of martial law?
>>
>> "Rome was not build in a day" - USA *started* as a democracy of slave
>> owners. Standards change over time.
>
> Is America today a democracy when people said the US government did not have
> the consent of the people? And they don't trust the government.

Does it have even lower consent than CPC leadership of PRC?
[I leave "the perfect democracy" sell speech to usanesse.]

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill
> Whatever one may think about democratic government, it is just as well
> to have practical experience of its rough and slatternly
> foundations. No part of the education of a politician is more
> indispensable than the fighting of elections.
> In Great Contemporaries, "Lord Rosebery" (1937)

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On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:28:13 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 4:52:20 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> >> ltlee1 wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> >> >> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> >> >> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:00:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:39:42 AM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> >> >> >> > > gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
> >> >> >> > > > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
> >> >> >> > > > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
> >> >> >> > > > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> >> >> >> > > > […]
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
> >> >> >> > > really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
> >> >> >> > > Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
> >> >> >> > > circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
> >> >> >> > > matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Status quo do change.
> >> >> >> > Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
> >> >> >> > Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan.
> >> >> >> Not really.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, really. Please don't make things up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> The ROC was considered a democracy under Chiang Kai Shek according by
> >> >> >> the US as its allies. He was certainly America's point man in the
> >> >> >> fight against Communism in East Asia. He, likewise treated the then
> >> >> >> underground DPP as evil just like the US had treated its underground
> >> >> >> Communist Party.
> >> >> > […]
> >> >>
> >> >> Sate directly *when* according to you "democracy entered Taiwan".
> >> >> Taiwan is democratic today but I am not eager to treat 38 years of
> >> >> martial law [A] as anything more than a Potemkin village democracy [B].
> >> >> It lasted _much_ longer than a little bit too long.
> >> >> […]
> >> > Elector College democracy wise, ROC under Chiang Kai Shek was considered by
> >> > the US and its allies as democratic.
> >> See "Our son of a bitch" (disputed) FDR quote.
> >> https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt
> >> Do YOU share US (implied?) assessments about state of Taiwan "democracy"
> >> under decades of martial law?
> >> > Elector College democracy is not the same as universal male suffrage (without elector)
> >> > democracy. And different from universal male and female suffrage. And different from
> >> > universal male and female, white and colored people democracy. As its heart, the US
> >> > is still an elector college democracy. Potemkin democracy?
> >> Do you consider it as bad as 38 ears of martial law?
> >>
> >> "Rome was not build in a day" - USA *started* as a democracy of slave
> >> owners. Standards change over time.
> >
> > Is America today a democracy when people said the US government did not have
> > the consent of the people? And they don't trust the government.
> Does it have even lower consent than CPC leadership of PRC?

Funny answer.
1. If you or anyone know for a fact that CPC leadership has lower consent, please inform.
2. Any reason to believe whether the US, or Russia is a democracy depends on whether other
nations is also a democracy or not a democracy? Is a democracy not about the a government
and its citizens?

> [I leave "the perfect democracy" sell speech to usanesse.]
>
> https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill
> > Whatever one may think about democratic government, it is just as well
> > to have practical experience of its rough and slatternly
> > foundations. No part of the education of a politician is more
> > indispensable than the fighting of elections.
> > In Great Contemporaries, "Lord Rosebery" (1937)

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ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:28:13 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
>> ltlee1 wrote:
>> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 4:52:20 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
>> >> ltlee1 wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
>> >> >> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:00:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:39:42 AM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
>> >> >> >> > > > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
>> >> >> >> > > > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
>> >> >> >> > > > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
>> >> >> >> > > > […]
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
>> >> >> >> > > really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
>> >> >> >> > > Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
>> >> >> >> > > circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
>> >> >> >> > > matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Status quo do change.
>> >> >> >> > Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
>> >> >> >> > Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan.
>> >> >> >> Not really.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Yes, really. Please don't make things up.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> The ROC was considered a democracy under Chiang Kai Shek according by
>> >> >> >> the US as its allies. He was certainly America's point man in the
>> >> >> >> fight against Communism in East Asia. He, likewise treated the then
>> >> >> >> underground DPP as evil just like the US had treated its underground
>> >> >> >> Communist Party.
>> >> >> > […]
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sate directly *when* according to you "democracy entered Taiwan".
>> >> >> Taiwan is democratic today but I am not eager to treat 38 years of
>> >> >> martial law [A] as anything more than a Potemkin village democracy [B].
>> >> >> It lasted _much_ longer than a little bit too long.
>> >> >> […]
>> >> > Elector College democracy wise, ROC under Chiang Kai Shek was considered by
>> >> > the US and its allies as democratic.
>> >> See "Our son of a bitch" (disputed) FDR quote.
>> >> https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt
>> >> Do YOU share US (implied?) assessments about state of Taiwan "democracy"
>> >> under decades of martial law?
>> >> > Elector College democracy is not the same as universal male suffrage (without elector)
>> >> > democracy. And different from universal male and female suffrage. And different from
>> >> > universal male and female, white and colored people democracy. As its heart, the US
>> >> > is still an elector college democracy. Potemkin democracy?
>> >> Do you consider it as bad as 38 ears of martial law?
>> >>
>> >> "Rome was not build in a day" - USA *started* as a democracy of slave
>> >> owners. Standards change over time.
>> >
>> > Is America today a democracy when people said the US government did not have
>> > the consent of the people? And they don't trust the government.
>> Does it have even lower consent than CPC leadership of PRC?
>> [I leave "the perfect democracy" sell speech to usanesse.]
>> […]
> Funny answer.
> 1. If you or anyone know for a fact that CPC leadership has lower
> consent, please inform.
> 2. Any reason to believe whether the US, or Russia is a democracy
> depends on whether other nations is also a democracy or not a
> democracy? Is a democracy not about the a government and its citizens?

We both agree that US democracy is "less good than advertised".
We seem to disagree if it is bad enough to make it worse that non
democratic alternatives (in particular PRC and Putinistan).
Being worse would make it a Potemkin village squared.

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On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 9:56:33 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:28:13 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> >> ltlee1 wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 4:52:20 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> >> >> ltlee1 wrote:
> >> >> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> >> >> >> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:00:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:39:42 AM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:13:07 AM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > gerard jud <gera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong
> >> >> >> >> > > > reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s
> >> >> >> >> > > > visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US
> >> >> >> >> > > > efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> >> >> >> >> > > > […]
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > I call it preserving existing state of affairs (status quo). Do you
> >> >> >> >> > > really expect US support for reunification of "separated for decades"
> >> >> >> >> > > Taiwan with *communist* China (PRC)? I do not (except in very unlikely
> >> >> >> >> > > circumstances) Reunification with post-communist China is quite another
> >> >> >> >> > > matter. No dynasty rules forever. Some dynasties rule (very) long.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Status quo do change.
> >> >> >> >> > Under Chiang Kai Shek's rule, that was status quo, until his death.
> >> >> >> >> > Democracy has been introduced to Taiwan.
> >> >> >> >> Not really.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Yes, really. Please don't make things up.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> The ROC was considered a democracy under Chiang Kai Shek according by
> >> >> >> >> the US as its allies. He was certainly America's point man in the
> >> >> >> >> fight against Communism in East Asia. He, likewise treated the then
> >> >> >> >> underground DPP as evil just like the US had treated its underground
> >> >> >> >> Communist Party.
> >> >> >> > […]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sate directly *when* according to you "democracy entered Taiwan"..
> >> >> >> Taiwan is democratic today but I am not eager to treat 38 years of
> >> >> >> martial law [A] as anything more than a Potemkin village democracy [B].
> >> >> >> It lasted _much_ longer than a little bit too long.
> >> >> >> […]
> >> >> > Elector College democracy wise, ROC under Chiang Kai Shek was considered by
> >> >> > the US and its allies as democratic.
> >> >> See "Our son of a bitch" (disputed) FDR quote.
> >> >> https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt
> >> >> Do YOU share US (implied?) assessments about state of Taiwan "democracy"
> >> >> under decades of martial law?
> >> >> > Elector College democracy is not the same as universal male suffrage (without elector)
> >> >> > democracy. And different from universal male and female suffrage. And different from
> >> >> > universal male and female, white and colored people democracy. As its heart, the US
> >> >> > is still an elector college democracy. Potemkin democracy?
> >> >> Do you consider it as bad as 38 ears of martial law?
> >> >>
> >> >> "Rome was not build in a day" - USA *started* as a democracy of slave
> >> >> owners. Standards change over time.
> >> >
> >> > Is America today a democracy when people said the US government did not have
> >> > the consent of the people? And they don't trust the government.
> >> Does it have even lower consent than CPC leadership of PRC?
> >> [I leave "the perfect democracy" sell speech to usanesse.]
> >> […]
> > Funny answer.
> > 1. If you or anyone know for a fact that CPC leadership has lower
> > consent, please inform.
> > 2. Any reason to believe whether the US, or Russia is a democracy
> > depends on whether other nations is also a democracy or not a
> > democracy? Is a democracy not about the a government and its citizens?
> We both agree that US democracy is "less good than advertised".
> We seem to disagree if it is bad enough to make it worse that non
> democratic alternatives (in particular PRC and Putinistan).
> Being worse would make it a Potemkin village squared.

What you or I think is irrelevant.
The issue is whether the US government is legitimate?
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> | (Oscar Wilde)

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:47:44 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:50:16 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?
> >
> > The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
> > >
> > > The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
> > >
> > > It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
> > >
> > > This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
> > >
> > > Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
> > >
> > > The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one.. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might.
> > >
> > > China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.
> > >
> > > Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> > > 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> > > 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
> > >
> > > All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
> > >
> > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.
> Taiwan and 21st Century Global Politics
>
> What’s happening in Taiwan today has a broader context – Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century.
>
> The US has clearly postulated a paradigm shift in its Global Strategy for the 21st Century – from Christian-Judeao-Islamic conflict to Big Power Conflict, the big powers being US, Russia and China.
>
> For Russia the conflict is about the expansion of NATO towards the Russian border.
>
> For China , it’s more complex and involve more nations and geographical areas - India, Japan, Australia, South China Sea, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan
>
> The US-led West is planning for War on China. That’s the only way to stop the rise of China. Look at their possible plots against China and what role will they use Taiwan play in it, some of which are already implemented.
>
> Use India as a counterweight against China.
>
> Bring India into the Asia-Pacific and rename it Indo-Pacific,.
>
> Create a NATO-like alliance against China, starting with the QUAD of US, India, Japan, Australia.
>
> Create economic alliances that exclude China.
>
> For Taiwan specifically:
>
> Distance Taiwan from China. Drive a wedge between the island and the mainland.
>
> Widen their political divide. Democratise Taiwan.
>
> Arm the island with US weapons. These will first make it difficult for China to mount a military takeover. These weapons will become increasingly advanced until they can threaten the security of China.
>
> A US military base on the island.
>
> Make Taiwan a member of the Asia-Pacific version of NATO.
>
>
>
> Most of these can happen only if Taiwan becomes an Independent Nation. That’s the way Taiwan will go if it is not reunited with China. Never trust those Westerners when they profess that they support the One-China Policy and are against Taiwan Independence. Reunification should happen sooner rather than later. The sooner the better.
>
> Now that China has started military exercises around Taiwan, it faces a dilemma. Should they be stopped or should they be carried on until their real objective, Reunification, is reached?
>
> What will happen if China stop these exercises before their real objective is reached? The repercussions for China will be dire. The US will use the exercises to frighten the DPP government into speeding up those scenarios for Taiwan as listed above.
>
> Should China turn the military exercises to “special military operations” to reunify with Taiwan?
>
> Before doing this, China should plan and co-ordinate with other countries which are also struggling against US world hegemony - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Middle East, Afghanistan, Russia.

“Taiwan is a part of China” is an irrefutable fact. This needs no further argument. The problem for the Chinese is how best to reunite the island with the mainland, with the US standing in the way.

The US interest in Taiwan lies in the value of the island as a pawn in its Big Power Conflict with China. While moving Taiwan against China, the US spins the issue to make China out to be the culprit in the eyes of the world.

“China cannot unilaterally change the status quo”
“Reunification should only be achieved through peaceful means”
“China is disturbing regional and world peace.”

In their might-makes-right world, the Westerners believe they have the might, and therefore the right, to decide when and how China should reunite with Taiwan, if at all. According to their “rule-based world order”, China must follow their rules if it wants to reunite with Taiwan without disturbing the world order. The catch-22 is that China will never be reunited with Taiwan if it were to follow Western rules.

Since Taiwan is a part of China, its reunification with China is irrefutably the internal affair of China. No other nation should meddle in this. China does not have to seek approval from other nations in the world on how it will bring about reunification.

But the Westerners are telling China this:
What is rightly yours will not belong to you unless you have the might to own it.

It’s true that China does not have the might et to take on the US alone. The US can integrate its might with other like-minded democratic nations to form a coalition. To take them on, China too needs to form a coalition with other willing nations. There are many from those who are against US regional and world hegemony.

Alone or in coalition with other nations, China must reunite with Taiwan.To allow Western Powers to split Taiwan from China now is no different from not being able to prevent them from carving up China in the 19th-20th Century. It means the Chinese is still as weak as they were during those unfortunate times in their history.

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:26:36 PM UTC+8, paul polikos wrote:
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 5:47:44 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:50:16 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:07:13 PM UTC-4, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > The Americans must be real idiots to think that China’s strong reactions are solely due to the withered old witch Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan. It’s not. It’s due to decades of continuous US efforts to split the island from the mainland.
> > > The heart of the issue is China cannot really tell what Nancy Pelosi had been offering to the ROC given US hostility and its continuous effort to split the Taiwan, China from Mainland China. Pelosi as well as Biden can deny everything all they want. Can China truth them with China's future?
> > >
> > > The US had stationed nuclear weapon in ROC before. And it is obvious that this is the least expensive way to defend the ROC.
> > > >
> > > > The US does not want mainland China(for short, China) and its breakaway island province of Taiwan(for short, Taiwan) reunited. The reason is obvious. Reunification is against US national interest. The reunification will make China stronger and threaten US hegemony in the Asia-Pacific region. The Americans try all means to prevent reunification. They enhance the political divide by pressing Taiwan to adopt democracy. They nurture the Opposition and the Taiwan Independent movement.
> > > >
> > > > It started with US meddling of the island’s politics. Defying China, the US helped to democratise Taiwan. It encouraged the growth of the Oppositions and pushed for the holding of National Elections. China was dead set against this. It took military actions against Taiwan to stop the first election. But US intervened with its superior military might. The first election was held and subsequent elections followed.
> > > >
> > > > This is not accordance with any formal agreement. This is illegal. It is done without China’s approval. It is invalid because only the islanders voted while the billion+ mainlanders have no say.
> > > >
> > > > Things grow worst when pro-Taiwan Independent Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is in government. DPP supporters against reunification readily resort to violence to get their way. The DPP looks up to the US to support it in power. Under DPP, US weapons sales to Taiwan increases sharply. Politicians from US-led West frequently visit Taiwan in the name of defending democracy and freedom but only to egg on the DPP to work faster towards separation and independence.
> > > >
> > > > The Chinese realise this. They can see the road to peaceful reunification becoming more elusive. The military option becomes the more likely one. China bides its time and work feverishly to build up its military might..
> > > >
> > > > China has all the moral rights to return Taiwan to its fold by whatever means. Taiwan has been a part of China up till the later part of the Qing Dynasty when it was captured by the Japs after a War in 1895. It then became a Japanese colony until the defeat of Japan in WW2. In 1949, after defeat in a civil war with the Communists, the Nationalist Government of the Kuomintang Party fled to Taiwan to establish power there. Taiwan became known as the Republic of China. Both the Communists and the Nationalists lay claim to the same China which includes the mainland and the island. Difference in ideology and separation by a straits of water have not diluted their common identity. People on both sides of the straits have not forsaken their common ancestry and racial root. They know they are all Chinese. Only a minority among the Taiwan Independent would vehemently deny this.
> > > >
> > > > Damned Americans really show their anti-Chinese racism when they rope in the Japs to prevent China-Taiwan reunification. What does this tell the Chinese?
> > > > 1. The Americans prefer Japs recolonisation of Taiwan and
> > > > 2. they would like to see a repeat of Japs extreme atrocities on the Chinese.
> > > >
> > > > All these effectively seal the road to peaceful reunification. They serve to convince the Chinese that military might is now the only means to reunification.
> > > >
> > > > It would be challenging for China alone to take on the US and its democratic allies. It’s time for China and Russia to put their ‘no-limits’ co-operation into practice. China helps Russia to recover Ukraine and Russia helps China to reunite with Taiwan. It’s a win-win. The best outcome.
> > Taiwan and 21st Century Global Politics
> >
> > What’s happening in Taiwan today has a broader context – Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century.
> >
> > The US has clearly postulated a paradigm shift in its Global Strategy for the 21st Century – from Christian-Judeao-Islamic conflict to Big Power Conflict, the big powers being US, Russia and China.
> >
> > For Russia the conflict is about the expansion of NATO towards the Russian border.
> >
> > For China , it’s more complex and involve more nations and geographical areas - India, Japan, Australia, South China Sea, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan
> >
> > The US-led West is planning for War on China. That’s the only way to stop the rise of China. Look at their possible plots against China and what role will they use Taiwan play in it, some of which are already implemented.
> >
> > Use India as a counterweight against China.
> >
> > Bring India into the Asia-Pacific and rename it Indo-Pacific,.
> >
> > Create a NATO-like alliance against China, starting with the QUAD of US, India, Japan, Australia.
> >
> > Create economic alliances that exclude China.
> >
> > For Taiwan specifically:
> >
> > Distance Taiwan from China. Drive a wedge between the island and the mainland.
> >
> > Widen their political divide. Democratise Taiwan.
> >
> > Arm the island with US weapons. These will first make it difficult for China to mount a military takeover. These weapons will become increasingly advanced until they can threaten the security of China.
> >
> > A US military base on the island.
> >
> > Make Taiwan a member of the Asia-Pacific version of NATO.
> >
> >
> >
> > Most of these can happen only if Taiwan becomes an Independent Nation. That’s the way Taiwan will go if it is not reunited with China. Never trust those Westerners when they profess that they support the One-China Policy and are against Taiwan Independence. Reunification should happen sooner rather than later. The sooner the better.
> >
> > Now that China has started military exercises around Taiwan, it faces a dilemma. Should they be stopped or should they be carried on until their real objective, Reunification, is reached?
> >
> > What will happen if China stop these exercises before their real objective is reached? The repercussions for China will be dire. The US will use the exercises to frighten the DPP government into speeding up those scenarios for Taiwan as listed above.
> >
> > Should China turn the military exercises to “special military operations” to reunify with Taiwan?
> >
> > Before doing this, China should plan and co-ordinate with other countries which are also struggling against US world hegemony - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Middle East, Afghanistan, Russia.
> “Taiwan is a part of China” is an irrefutable fact. This needs no further argument. The problem for the Chinese is how best to reunite the island with the mainland, with the US standing in the way.
>
> The US interest in Taiwan lies in the value of the island as a pawn in its Big Power Conflict with China. While moving Taiwan against China, the US spins the issue to make China out to be the culprit in the eyes of the world.
>
> “China cannot unilaterally change the status quo”
> “Reunification should only be achieved through peaceful means”
> “China is disturbing regional and world peace.”
>
> In their might-makes-right world, the Westerners believe they have the might, and therefore the right, to decide when and how China should reunite with Taiwan, if at all. According to their “rule-based world order”, China must follow their rules if it wants to reunite with Taiwan without disturbing the world order. The catch-22 is that China will never be reunited with Taiwan if it were to follow Western rules.
>
> Since Taiwan is a part of China, its reunification with China is irrefutably the internal affair of China. No other nation should meddle in this. China does not have to seek approval from other nations in the world on how it will bring about reunification.
>
> But the Westerners are telling China this:
> What is rightly yours will not belong to you unless you have the might to own it.
>
> It’s true that China does not have the might et to take on the US alone. The US can integrate its might with other like-minded democratic nations to form a coalition. To take them on, China too needs to form a coalition with other willing nations. There are many from those who are against US regional and world hegemony.
>
> Alone or in coalition with other nations, China must reunite with Taiwan.To allow Western Powers to split Taiwan from China now is no different from not being able to prevent them from carving up China in the 19th-20th Century. It means the Chinese is still as weak as they were during those unfortunate times in their history.