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Subject: The Modern Web
From: AnonUser
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 00:50 UTC
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Subject: The Modern Web
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 00:50:08 -0000 (UTC)
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The modern web has become a monstrosity that is more akin to an application distribution platform more than anything else at this point and it is a terrible one at that.

It doesn't allow you to choose your own language, you are stuck with the abomination of a language that is called JavaScript. W3C even stated that WebAssembly is not meant to replace JavaScript, it is meant to complement it. What a load of bullshit. It is not possible to access the DOM directly via. WebAssembly. In other words, you will not be able to run other languages without JavaScript intermingling _by design_.

It is highly inefficient and wasteful. Any program written in HTML/CSS/JS is by default extremely resource intensive in comparison to, for example, its C++ counterpart. It hogs your memory, wastes your CPU cycles and drains your mobile's battery. Not only that, but on the desktop every electron program ships their own chromium browser, which is not what one would consider a lightweight program. Same people writing those shitty inefficient programs are devout environmentalists. What a joke.

The modern browser is a beast. A single person can not possibly implement a standard compliant browser on his own. Which is why we are stuck with a few huge browsers and they all suck equally bad.

The design of the modern browser is also not one which has privacy in mind. Data leaks through every nook and cranny. Browser fingerprinting is really easy and very reliable. Who needs IP based tracking when you've got a browser fingerprint that is pretty much unique? Add JavaScript into the mix and they also get your monitors resolution and other configurations that tie the noose around your privacy-aware neck even tighter.

The web should have been for _one_ thing, and _one_ thing only: static interlinked documents. Everything else on top is bloat at the expense of basically everything.

TL;DR: The modern web sucks dick.
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Subject: Re: The Modern Web
From: Anonymous
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: The Modern Web
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Frankly, that's how this world is these days. You can have anything you want on the web as long as it uses HTML/CSS and JavaScript.

Microsoft has come out with a new technology called Blazor. It is a very good programming language that runs in the browser like your archaic JavaScript. Go and try it and get good hard erection with it.

Good luck to you.
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Subject: Re: The Modern Web
From: Anonymous
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 09:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: The Modern Web
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AnonUser wrote:

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The web should have been for _one_ thing, and _one_ thing only: static interlinked documents. Everything else on top is bloat at the expense of basically everything.

Wasn't that gopher's job?

TL;DR: The modern web sucks dick.

The bloated flashy modern web sure does. Simple sites are fine.
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Subject: Re: The Modern Web
From: Anonymous
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And all this is existing when we (still) have Adobe Flash which can do the same but on 2000's computer. And before that we had Java applets which could do even more. And ActiveX was in fact components which ran with native performance.

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Subject: Re: The Modern Web
From: Anonymous
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Subject: Re: The Modern Web
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Flash, Java and ActiveX suck even more, at least from a security point of view: It's a gaping abyss of bad code.

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Subject: Re: The Modern Web
From: Anonymous
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Subject: Re: The Modern Web
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it's good i only make text based sites... spared from all that bloat and spyware

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Subject: Re: The Modern Web
From: Anonymous
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Subject: Re: The Modern Web
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It's always had shitty aspects. HTML should have been strictly dedicated to text, images and simple layout formatting. All of the "advanced functionality" ruined it, and Google has only accelerated that. Flash was an insecure pile of shit, but at least it was contained, HTML5 pulled it into the standard.

Gemini protocol is a usable alternative, but won't be satisfactory for people needing formatting capabilities similar to that found in the presentation of a college textbook.

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