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 by: ltlee1 - Sun, 3 Jul 2022 10:26 UTC

"As Independence Day approaches, more than one in four Americans are so alienated from their government that they believe it may “soon be necessary to take up arms” against it, according to a new poll released Thursday by the University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics (IOP).
....
» A majority of Americans agree that the government is “corrupt and rigged against everyday people like me,” ...

» With the debate raging about the integrity of our elections, a majority (56 percent) say they “generally trust elections to be conducted fairly and counted accurately.” But that view is deeply divergent by party. Four in five Democrats (78 percent) say they generally trust our elections to be fair and accurate. Half (51 percent) of Independent voters but just 33 percent of Republicans agree. Among those who reported voting for Donald Trump in 2020, the number who say they generally trust elections is 31 percent.

» Nearly half of Americans (49 percent) agreed that they “more and more feel like a stranger in my own country,” ...

» And 28 percent of voters, including 37 percent who have guns in their homes, agree that “it may be necessary at some point soon for citizens to take up arms against the government.” ...

About three-quarters (73 percent) of voters who identify themselves as Republican agree that “Democrats are generally bullies who want to impose their political beliefs on those who disagree.” An almost identical percentage of Democrats (74 percent) express that view of Republicans. ....

A quarter reported losing friends – and a like number said they have avoided friends and relatives – over politics."

https://uchicagopolitics.opalstacked.com/uploads/homepage/Polarization-Poll..pdf

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 by: A. Filip - Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:35 UTC

ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "As Independence Day approaches, more than one in four Americans are
> so alienated from their government that they believe it may “soon be
> necessary to take up arms” against it, according to a new poll
> released Thursday by the University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics
> (IOP).
> ...
> » A majority of Americans agree that the government is “corrupt and rigged against everyday people like me,” ...
>
> » With the debate raging about the integrity of our elections, a
> majority (56 percent) say they “generally trust elections to be
> conducted fairly and counted accurately.” But that view is deeply
> divergent by party. Four in five Democrats (78 percent) say they
> generally trust our elections to be fair and accurate. Half (51
> percent) of Independent voters but just 33 percent of Republicans
> agree. Among those who reported voting for Donald Trump in 2020, the
> number who say they generally trust elections is 31 percent.
>
> » Nearly half of Americans (49 percent) agreed that they “more and more feel like a stranger in my own country,” ...
>
> » And 28 percent of voters, including 37 percent who have guns in
> their homes, agree that “it may be necessary at some point soon for
> citizens to take up arms against the government.” ...
>
> About three-quarters (73 percent) of voters who identify themselves as
> Republican agree that “Democrats are generally bullies who want to
> impose their political beliefs on those who disagree.” An almost
> identical percentage of Democrats (74 percent) express that view of
> Republicans. ...
>
> A quarter reported losing friends – and a like number said they have avoided friends and relatives – over politics."
>
> https://uchicagopolitics.opalstacked.com/uploads/homepage/Polarization-Poll.pdf

It wasn't necessary for CPC to take arms against government, was it?
US citizens are ready to follow infallible CPC ways! ;-)

In medium term "readiness to take arms" acts as deterrent for more
brave/stupid government actions. In long term it almost guarantees
insurrection which is anyway likely in long term.

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A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
| Nietzsche says that we will live the same life, over and over
| again. God -- I'll have to sit through the Ice Capades again.
| (Woody Allen, "Hannah and Her Sisters")

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 by: ltlee1 - Sun, 3 Jul 2022 20:47 UTC

On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 8:35:09 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > "As Independence Day approaches, more than one in four Americans are
> > so alienated from their government that they believe it may “soon be
> > necessary to take up arms” against it, according to a new poll
> > released Thursday by the University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics
> > (IOP).
> > ...
> > » A majority of Americans agree that the government is “corrupt and rigged against everyday people like me,” ...
> >
> > » With the debate raging about the integrity of our elections, a
> > majority (56 percent) say they “generally trust elections to be
> > conducted fairly and counted accurately.” But that view is deeply
> > divergent by party. Four in five Democrats (78 percent) say they
> > generally trust our elections to be fair and accurate. Half (51
> > percent) of Independent voters but just 33 percent of Republicans
> > agree. Among those who reported voting for Donald Trump in 2020, the
> > number who say they generally trust elections is 31 percent.
> >
> > » Nearly half of Americans (49 percent) agreed that they “more and more feel like a stranger in my own country,” ...
> >
> > » And 28 percent of voters, including 37 percent who have guns in
> > their homes, agree that “it may be necessary at some point soon for
> > citizens to take up arms against the government.” ...
> >
> > About three-quarters (73 percent) of voters who identify themselves as
> > Republican agree that “Democrats are generally bullies who want to
> > impose their political beliefs on those who disagree.” An almost
> > identical percentage of Democrats (74 percent) express that view of
> > Republicans. ...
> >
> > A quarter reported losing friends – and a like number said they have avoided friends and relatives – over politics."
> >
> > https://uchicagopolitics.opalstacked.com/uploads/homepage/Polarization-Poll.pdf
> It wasn't necessary for CPC to take arms against government, was it?
> US citizens are ready to follow infallible CPC ways! ;-)

No. Not at all. People everywhere could find their own solutions for their problems.
No need to follow the CPC's ways.
>
> In medium term "readiness to take arms" acts as deterrent for more
> brave/stupid government actions.

Standard answer in view of Jefferson's famous words: "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

However, please consider this:
"Fleming has discovered what scholars such as the late, great Murray Rothbard and the not-late-but-still-great Clyde Wilson wrote about many years ago: A war was not necessary to end slavery – the rest of the world did it peacefully; only 6 percent of adult Southern men owned slaves, which means that the average Confederate soldier was not fighting to preserve a system that actually harmed him and his family economically; and that the real cause of the war was what Fleming calls a “malevolent envy” of the South by New England “Yankees” who waged a war of economic conquest. In his own words, from the inside front cover of A Disease in the Public Mind:

[Northern] hatred for Southerners long predated their objections to slavery. Abolitionists were convinced that New England, whose spokesmen had begun the American Revolution, should have been the leaders of the new nation. Instead, they had been displaced by Southern “slavocrats” like Thomas Jefferson.

The inside cover of the book asks, “Why was the United States the only nation in the world to fight a war to end slavery?” The standard “answer” to this question, which I have asked many times in my own writings, is that Southern plantation owners were by far the most evil human beings in world history, far more evil than British slave owners, Spanish slave owners, or French, Danish , Dutch and Portugese slave owners. Therefore, no peaceful means of ending slavery was ever possible. This of course makes no sense at all, and Thomas Fleming recognizes it."
https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/a-disease-of-the-public-mind/

Another piece of information, according to Kevin Phillips of American Theocracy, the South had lost the military conflict with the North. It won the religious war with the North.

Question:
Is the propensity to take up arms against the government, currently under democrat control" also indicating some kind of disease in the public mind.

> In long term it almost guarantees
> insurrection which is anyway likely in long term.
>
>
>
> --
> A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> | Nietzsche says that we will live the same life, over and over
> | again. God -- I'll have to sit through the Ice Capades again.
> | (Woody Allen, "Hannah and Her Sisters")

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