A unique power, for sure.
Unipower? Not so sure.

ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> A unique power, for sure.
> Unipower? Not so sure.

Are you talking about PRC? :-) PRC is the default assumption on
soc.culture.CHINA as The Biggest China state.

To paraphrase Mao: No guns, no (political) power.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mao
> Every Communist must grasp the truth: Political power grows out of
> the barrel of a gun.
> Chapter 5, originally published in Problems of War and Strategy
> (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 224.

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On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:29:02 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > A unique power, for sure.
> > Unipower? Not so sure.
> Are you talking about PRC? :-) PRC is the default assumption on
> soc.culture.CHINA as The Biggest China state.

In case you miss or cannot access the news,

“Guns shouldn't be as easily accessible. Like it's easier to get a gun than baby
formula right now. That's unbelievable in this country that we live in,” Lee said
to reporters.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-25-22/h_f50662db23b0a9ba8c4823ed1c0d02ff

>
> To paraphrase Mao: No guns, no (political) power.
>
> https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mao
> > Every Communist must grasp the truth: Political power grows out of
> > the barrel of a gun.
> > Chapter 5, originally published in Problems of War and Strategy
> > (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 224.
>
> --

ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:29:02 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
>> ltlee1 wrote:
>> > A unique power, for sure.
>> > Unipower? Not so sure.
>> Are you talking about PRC? :-) PRC is the default assumption on
>> soc.culture.CHINA as The Biggest China state.
>
> In case you miss or cannot access the news,
>
> “Guns shouldn't be as easily accessible. Like it's easier to get a gun than baby
> formula right now. That's unbelievable in this country that we live in,” Lee said
> to reporters.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-25-22/h_f50662db23b0a9ba8c4823ed1c0d02ff
> […]

Do not *stay* mentally in era "The World revolves (only) around USA".
it fades away *slowly*, isn't it?

Explicitly name *any* other country in "possibly off topic" posts to
soc.culture.CHINA. It is a basic netiquette by my standards.

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| We must believe that it is the darkest before the dawn of a
| beautiful new world. We will see it when we believe it.
| (Saul Alinsky)

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:26:10 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:29:02 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > A unique power, for sure.
> > > Unipower? Not so sure.
> > Are you talking about PRC? :-) PRC is the default assumption on
> > soc.culture.CHINA as The Biggest China state.
> In case you miss or cannot access the news,
>
> “Guns shouldn't be as easily accessible. Like it's easier to get a gun than baby
> formula right now. That's unbelievable in this country that we live in,” Lee said
> to reporters.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-25-22/h_f50662db23b0a9ba8c4823ed1c0d02ff

Of course, the government should have laws to preclude and take away guns from the wrong hands.
Nevertheless, gun availability is only the surface cause. There are other drivers.

"Our goal has been to find new, data-driven pathways for preventing such shootings. Although we haven’t found that mass
shooters are all alike, our data do reveal four commonalities among the perpetrators of nearly all the mass shootings we
studied.

First, the vast majority of mass shooters in our study experienced early childhood trauma and exposure to violence at a young
age. The nature of their exposure included parental suicide, physical or sexual abuse, neglect, domestic violence, and/or severe
bullying. The trauma was often a precursor to mental health concerns, including depression, anxiety, thought disorders or
suicidality.

Second, practically every mass shooter we studied had reached an identifiable crisis point in the weeks or months leading up to
the shooting. They often had become angry and despondent because of a specific grievance. ...

Third, most of the shooters had studied the actions of other shooters and sought validation for their motives. People in crisis have
always existed. But in the age of 24-hour rolling news and social media, there are scripts to follow that promise notoriety in death.
Societal fear and fascination with mass shootings partly drives the motivation to commit them. ...

Fourth, the shooters all had the means to carry out their plans. Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that
murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunity stand in the way of another mass shooting. Is an
appropriate shooting site accessible? Can the would-be shooter obtain firearms?..."

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 7:52:58 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:26:10 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:29:02 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> > > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > A unique power, for sure.
> > > > Unipower? Not so sure.
> > > Are you talking about PRC? :-) PRC is the default assumption on
> > > soc.culture.CHINA as The Biggest China state.
> > In case you miss or cannot access the news,
> >
> > “Guns shouldn't be as easily accessible. Like it's easier to get a gun than baby
> > formula right now. That's unbelievable in this country that we live in,” Lee said
> > to reporters.
> >
> > https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-25-22/h_f50662db23b0a9ba8c4823ed1c0d02ff
> Of course, the government should have laws to preclude and take away guns from the wrong hands.
> Nevertheless, gun availability is only the surface cause. There are other drivers.
>
> "Our goal has been to find new, data-driven pathways for preventing such shootings. Although we haven’t found that mass
> shooters are all alike, our data do reveal four commonalities among the perpetrators of nearly all the mass shootings we
> studied.
>
> First, the vast majority of mass shooters in our study experienced early childhood trauma and exposure to violence at a young
> age. The nature of their exposure included parental suicide, physical or sexual abuse, neglect, domestic violence, and/or severe
> bullying. The trauma was often a precursor to mental health concerns, including depression, anxiety, thought disorders or
> suicidality.
>
> Second, practically every mass shooter we studied had reached an identifiable crisis point in the weeks or months leading up to
> the shooting. They often had become angry and despondent because of a specific grievance. ...
>
> Third, most of the shooters had studied the actions of other shooters and sought validation for their motives. People in crisis have
> always existed. But in the age of 24-hour rolling news and social media, there are scripts to follow that promise notoriety in death.
> Societal fear and fascination with mass shootings partly drives the motivation to commit them. ...
>
> Fourth, the shooters all had the means to carry out their plans. Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that
> murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunity stand in the way of another mass shooting. Is an
> appropriate shooting site accessible? Can the would-be shooter obtain firearms?..."
>
> https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data

All those 4 commonalities are, more or less, concerned with mental health that drives revenges. But in other countries where population has no guns and policemen have no gun or not a right to use gun to shoot, why the people have no mental health in those 4 commonalities of mental health?.

In short, why people in other countries where guns are banned and prohibited and the person will be hanged if caught, have no mental health's driven revenges?

In other words, will mental health in US get worse if US is removed of guns and weapons from every one in the country? Will the data-driven pathways be concluded with a different commonalities?

In short, If US population is removed of guns and weapons, there will be no meatal health problem in the population at all, so to speak.

By that, there will tremendous billion of dollars of savings on mental health treatment costs and medical and surgery costs on gun wounds and the funeral service and coffin sellers will not be needed and gravediggers will not be busy with burying the mass victims.

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 3:26:39 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 7:52:58 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:26:10 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:29:02 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> > > > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > A unique power, for sure.
> > > > > Unipower? Not so sure.
> > > > Are you talking about PRC? :-) PRC is the default assumption on
> > > > soc.culture.CHINA as The Biggest China state.
> > > In case you miss or cannot access the news,
> > >
> > > “Guns shouldn't be as easily accessible. Like it's easier to get a gun than baby
> > > formula right now. That's unbelievable in this country that we live in,” Lee said
> > > to reporters.
> > >
> > > https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-25-22/h_f50662db23b0a9ba8c4823ed1c0d02ff
> > Of course, the government should have laws to preclude and take away guns from the wrong hands.
> > Nevertheless, gun availability is only the surface cause. There are other drivers.
> >
> > "Our goal has been to find new, data-driven pathways for preventing such shootings. Although we haven’t found that mass
> > shooters are all alike, our data do reveal four commonalities among the perpetrators of nearly all the mass shootings we
> > studied.
> >
> > First, the vast majority of mass shooters in our study experienced early childhood trauma and exposure to violence at a young
> > age. The nature of their exposure included parental suicide, physical or sexual abuse, neglect, domestic violence, and/or severe
> > bullying. The trauma was often a precursor to mental health concerns, including depression, anxiety, thought disorders or
> > suicidality.
> >
> > Second, practically every mass shooter we studied had reached an identifiable crisis point in the weeks or months leading up to
> > the shooting. They often had become angry and despondent because of a specific grievance. ...
> >
> > Third, most of the shooters had studied the actions of other shooters and sought validation for their motives. People in crisis have
> > always existed. But in the age of 24-hour rolling news and social media, there are scripts to follow that promise notoriety in death.
> > Societal fear and fascination with mass shootings partly drives the motivation to commit them. ...
> >
> > Fourth, the shooters all had the means to carry out their plans. Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that
> > murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunity stand in the way of another mass shooting. Is an
> > appropriate shooting site accessible? Can the would-be shooter obtain firearms?..."
> >
> > https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data
> All those 4 commonalities are, more or less, concerned with mental health that drives revenges. But in other countries where population has no guns and policemen have no gun or not a right to use gun to shoot, why the people have no mental health in those 4 commonalities of mental health?.
>
> In short, why people in other countries where guns are banned and prohibited and the person will be hanged if caught, have no mental health's driven revenges?
>
> In other words, will mental health in US get worse if US is removed of guns and weapons from every one in the country? Will the data-driven pathways be concluded with a different commonalities?
>
> In short, If US population is removed of guns and weapons, there will be no meatal health problem in the population at all, so to speak.
>
> By that, there will tremendous billion of dollars of savings on mental health treatment costs and medical and surgery costs on gun wounds and the funeral service and coffin sellers will not be needed and gravediggers will not be busy with burying the mass victims.

I am not sure Jillian Peterson and James Densley, researchers of the Mass Shooting Project
meant to characterize mental health as a variable independent of America's
socio-economic-political system. All other things equal, happy citizens who find their government
and fellow citizens friendly and trustworthy would have less stress in their daily lives. They are then
less likely to traumatize their kids. In contrast, citizens hateful of each other and do not trust their
government are more likely to be unhappy and frustrated more often. And their kids are more likely
to suffer.

The third driver is directly related to the presses. A WashingtonPost editor had reflected on the
role of the media and copycat shooting. After weighing between the responsibility of the press and
possibility of copycat shooting, he once move the news report of a mass shooting from the front page
and placed it somewhere else, perhaps to page 4 of the printed edition.