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While US MSM mostly subscribes the Evil Russia, Righteous Ukraine view, Americans see the situation differently.

"That split within the right has emerged publicly as well. “Putin has laid out what he wants in Ukraine—a decent starting point,” congressional candidate Joe Kent said March 31, speaking at what was styled an “emergency” conference called “Up From Chaos.” Mr. Kent, who is challenging Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R., Wash.) in a primary, called Mr. Putin’s demand that Ukraine cede Donetsk and Luhansk “very reasonable.” Helen Andrews, a senior editor for American Conservative magazine said, “Ukraine is a corrupt country. Come and get me.”

Also on March 31, Compact magazine released a declaration, signed by 33 people on both the right and left, including former Trump White House aide Michael Anton and journalist Glenn Greenwald. It calls for “de-escalation” and “good-faith” peace talks that acknowledge Russia’s “legitimate security needs” and demands that President Biden disavow “regime change” in Moscow.

Other America-firsters have made comments that sound like Russian propaganda. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R., Ga.) tweeted that U.S. tax dollars shouldn’t be spent on “lethal aid to be given to possible Nazi militias that are torturing innocent people, especially young children and women.” Charlie Kirk, president of Turning Point USA, tweeted that “if you are mindlessly supporting Ukraine . . . you might be cheering for literal Nazis.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-right-russia-putin-trump-america-first-national-republican-populist-ukraine-zelensky-nazi-war-marjorie-taylor-greene-joe-kent-charlie-kirk-anton-11649595201?mod=opinion_lead_pos5

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On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 4:50:03 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> While US MSM mostly subscribes the Evil Russia, Righteous Ukraine view, Americans see the situation differently.
>
> "That split within the right has emerged publicly as well. “Putin has laid out what he wants in Ukraine—a decent starting point,” congressional candidate Joe Kent said March 31, speaking at what was styled an “emergency” conference called “Up From Chaos.” Mr. Kent, who is challenging Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R., Wash.) in a primary, called Mr. Putin’s demand that Ukraine cede Donetsk and Luhansk “very reasonable.” Helen Andrews, a senior editor for American Conservative magazine said, “Ukraine is a corrupt country. Come and get me.”
>
> Also on March 31, Compact magazine released a declaration, signed by 33 people on both the right and left, including former Trump White House aide Michael Anton and journalist Glenn Greenwald. It calls for “de-escalation” and “good-faith” peace talks that acknowledge Russia’s “legitimate security needs” and demands that President Biden disavow “regime change” in Moscow.
>
> Other America-firsters have made comments that sound like Russian propaganda. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R., Ga.) tweeted that U.S. tax dollars shouldn’t be spent on “lethal aid to be given to possible Nazi militias that are torturing innocent people, especially young children and women.” Charlie Kirk, president of Turning Point USA, tweeted that “if you are mindlessly supporting Ukraine . . . you might be cheering for literal Nazis.”
>
> https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-right-russia-putin-trump-america-first-national-republican-populist-ukraine-zelensky-nazi-war-marjorie-taylor-greene-joe-kent-charlie-kirk-anton-11649595201?mod=opinion_lead_pos5

US is the culprit to the current Ukraine-Russia war. US screwdrivers them to fight and hence the fight is not ending at all. After much engaging military training with Ukraine troops in EU, US creeped up to agitate Russia.

They further edged closer to lure Ukraine with a membership badge of becoming a NATO member. This further puts Putin to put his foot down on US threat instead.

So Putin gave an ultimatum to Ukraine to resist and refuse the signing up of NATO membership. But Zelensky is smart to make up of internet media to play balls with Russia and US and NATO, too.

Zelensky wants them to commit to defend Ukraine. His tactic worked well. The Western media under the CIA direction began to paint the situation as Putin's war threatening problem on Ukraine's eastern two states, instead.

But, seriously speaking, Putin actually wants Ukraine to be neutral and not to join any military pact like NATO, that will pose a threat to Russia.

Unfortunately, US using CIA to make preparation to supply weapons and even hired mercenaries to give confidence of military support so as to instigate Ukraine to go for fight with Russia.

Instead of negotiation or discussion with Putin, US had given a lot of weapons and arms to Ukraine already in preparation to the war by Russia.

Those weapons gave Ukraine the confident of military support to supply weapons at not limits to Ukraine. This angered Russia and hence Ukraine went on to engage war with Russia, instead.

Now both sides want to stop do not know how to limit to a stop and end the war, without feeling embarrassed each other.

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