On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 3:10:39 AM UTC+8, David P. wrote:
> Chinese Agents Hire Private Eyes to Harass Dissidents in U.S., Officials Say
> By Fanelli & Viswanatha, Apr. 1, 2022, WSJ
>
> Chinese govt agents are increasingly recruiting and hiring
> private eyes to harass dissidents and forcibly repatriate
> Chinese-born U.S. and Canadian residents whom Beijing considers
> criminals, according to federal law-enforcement officials and
> newly unsealed court cases.
>
> “It’s unprecedented how brazen they’re being,” said Roman
> Rozhavsky, an FBI agent who oversees China-related investigations
> in New York. “We’ve never seen them go this far before.”
>
> U.S. officials have long said that Beijing seeks to pursue and
> punish some political rivals living stateside. But according to
> recent court documents and interviews with U.S. officials,
> China’s security services are expanding their dragnet to a
> broader range of U.S.-based targets—and tapping intermediaries
> such as American private eyes to do the work. Agents for the
> Chinese government have targeted private investigators at U.S.
> trade association conferences and through cold calls in their
> recruiting push, the officials said.
>
> Governments in a number of Western democracies have accused
> Beijing of orchestrating campaigns to silence criticism of
> China or celebrate dissident views on university campuses and
> in cultural affairs. U.S. prosecutors in March unsealed 3 cases
> alleging that Chinese agents turned to private investigators to
> harass dissidents and others caught in Beijing’s crosshairs.
>
> Sun Hoi Ying, an alleged Chinese agent charged in one of the
> cases, used a trade association of insurance-fraud investigators
> to connect with private eyes, federal law-enforcement officials said.
>
> He claimed to be the owner of a China-based insurance-loss-adjusting
> company and attended the association’s Sept 2017 annual conference
> in New Orleans, according to the officials. Sun also planned to go
> to the group’s annual conference in 2021 but couldn’t obtain a visa
> in time, the officials said.
>
> Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
> investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
> intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
> to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
> a former pro-democracy student leader in China.
>
> Sun was charged with using private investigators to illegally work
> to repatriate U.S. and Canadian residents to China. He couldn’t be
> reached for comment and is thought by U.S. officials to be in China.
>
> Beginning in early 2021, prosecutors alleged, a different Chinese
> agent sought a private investigator to obtain confidential tax
> records of a California-based artist critical of the Chinese govt.
> The agent hired a former Florida correctional officer to surreptitiously
> meet and surveil the artist and other dissidents, including the father
> of a U.S. champion figure skater, they said.
>
> Arthur Liu, whose daughter Alysa competed as a member of the U.S.
> figure-skating team at the recent Beijing Olympics, said his office
> neighbor recalled seeing a man who met the description of the former
> correctional officer twice in the building’s lobby several months
> ahead of the Games.
>
> “I think they are quite afraid that I might use this opportunity
> to go back to China and stir things up,” said Mr. Liu, who fled
> the country in 1989.
>
> The Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t respond to a request for
> comment. After the recent cases were unsealed, a China foreign-
> ministry spokesman said, “China always asks Chinese citizens to
> abide by laws and regulations in host countries.”
>
> Federal law-enforcement officials said they expect to bring
> additional cases in the future. Meanwhile, FBI officials say
> they plan to meet with the leadership of private-investigator
> associations to warn them of Chinese agents seeking to hire their
> members. The FBI wants to encourage private investigators to come
> forward when they receive a suspicious request, especially ones
> involving a foreign entity, the officials said. Some private eyes
> did cooperate in the cases announced in March.
>
> Chinese agents typically reach out to private eyes with prior
> law-enforcement experience who may have access to government
> databases or employees, the officials said.
>
> The harassment can have a chilling effect beyond the targets,
> said James Dennehy, the top counterintelligence official in the
> FBI New York office.
>
> “It’s an effective way of actually silencing the entire community
> and the entire population, which is why we have so many Chinese
> Americans here in New York who would rather stay quiet than
> speaking their true beliefs about the Chinese govt,” Dennehy said..
>
> Beijing hasn’t historically sought to harass low-profile dissidents
> in the U.S., said Thomas Ogden, a lawyer who has represented hundreds
> of Chinese nationals seeking asylum in the U.S. He views the recent
> cases as showing the Chinese government intensifying efforts in
> recent years to try to control dissidents overseas.
>
> “The tactics they are trying to use to discredit dissidents may
> look low level but they are trying to put something out there and
> see what sticks,” Mr. Ogden said.
>
> Yan Xiong, a U.S. Democratic congressional candidate in New York’s
> 10th District, was the alleged target in one of the Chinese
> surveillance cases announced in March. The retired U.S. Army
> chaplain was a student leader in the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy
> protests in 1989 and later fled China.
>
> Xiong, who is running against longtime Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler,
> said that when he speaks to white, Black and Hispanic voters in his
> district, he talks about his past as a student leader. But when he
> campaigns in Chinese-American communities, he avoids discussing the
> Tiananmen Square protests.
>
> Some in the communities still have ties in China, according to Xiong.
> They don’t want to be associated with someone who has been critical
> of the Chinese government, he said.
>
> “Since this case, I’ve been a little bit cautious,” Xiong said.
> “But I have no fear.”
>
> https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-agents-hire-private-eyes-to-harass-dissidents-in-u-s-officials-say-11648845889

There are foreign and domestic agents on cyber and ground in every country, too.

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> borie wrote:
> > David P. wrote:
> > > Chinese Agents Hire Private Eyes to Harass Dissidents in U.S., Officials Say
> > > By Fanelli & Viswanatha, Apr. 1, 2022, WSJ
> > >
> > > Chinese govt agents are increasingly recruiting and hiring
> > > private eyes to harass dissidents and forcibly repatriate
> > > Chinese-born U.S. and Canadian residents whom Beijing considers
> > > criminals, according to federal law-enforcement officials and
> > > newly unsealed court cases.
> > >
> > > “It’s unprecedented how brazen they’re being,” said Roman
> > > Rozhavsky, an FBI agent who oversees China-related investigations
> > > in New York. “We’ve never seen them go this far before.”
> > >
> > > U.S. officials have long said that Beijing seeks to pursue and
> > > punish some political rivals living stateside. But according to
> > > recent court documents and interviews with U.S. officials,
> > > China’s security services are expanding their dragnet to a
> > > broader range of U.S.-based targets—and tapping intermediaries
> > > such as American private eyes to do the work. Agents for the
> > > Chinese government have targeted private investigators at U.S.
> > > trade association conferences and through cold calls in their
> > > recruiting push, the officials said.
> > >
> > > Governments in a number of Western democracies have accused
> > > Beijing of orchestrating campaigns to silence criticism of
> > > China or celebrate dissident views on university campuses and
> > > in cultural affairs. U.S. prosecutors in March unsealed 3 cases
> > > alleging that Chinese agents turned to private investigators to
> > > harass dissidents and others caught in Beijing’s crosshairs.
> > >
> > > Sun Hoi Ying, an alleged Chinese agent charged in one of the
> > > cases, used a trade association of insurance-fraud investigators
> > > to connect with private eyes, federal law-enforcement officials said.
> > >
> > > He claimed to be the owner of a China-based insurance-loss-adjusting
> > > company and attended the association’s Sept 2017 annual conference
> > > in New Orleans, according to the officials. Sun also planned to go
> > > to the group’s annual conference in 2021 but couldn’t obtain a visa
> > > in time, the officials said.
> > >
> > > Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
> > > investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
> > > intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
> > > to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
> > > a former pro-democracy student leader in China.
> > >
> > > Sun was charged with using private investigators to illegally work
> > > to repatriate U.S. and Canadian residents to China. He couldn’t be
> > > reached for comment and is thought by U.S. officials to be in China.
> > >
> > > Beginning in early 2021, prosecutors alleged, a different Chinese
> > > agent sought a private investigator to obtain confidential tax
> > > records of a California-based artist critical of the Chinese govt.
> > > The agent hired a former Florida correctional officer to surreptitiously
> > > meet and surveil the artist and other dissidents, including the father
> > > of a U.S. champion figure skater, they said.
> > >
> > > Arthur Liu, whose daughter Alysa competed as a member of the U.S.
> > > figure-skating team at the recent Beijing Olympics, said his office
> > > neighbor recalled seeing a man who met the description of the former
> > > correctional officer twice in the building’s lobby several months
> > > ahead of the Games.
> > >
> > > “I think they are quite afraid that I might use this opportunity
> > > to go back to China and stir things up,” said Mr. Liu, who fled
> > > the country in 1989.
> > >
> > > The Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t respond to a request for
> > > comment. After the recent cases were unsealed, a China foreign-
> > > ministry spokesman said, “China always asks Chinese citizens to
> > > abide by laws and regulations in host countries.”
> > >
> > > Federal law-enforcement officials said they expect to bring
> > > additional cases in the future. Meanwhile, FBI officials say
> > > they plan to meet with the leadership of private-investigator
> > > associations to warn them of Chinese agents seeking to hire their
> > > members. The FBI wants to encourage private investigators to come
> > > forward when they receive a suspicious request, especially ones
> > > involving a foreign entity, the officials said. Some private eyes
> > > did cooperate in the cases announced in March.
> > >
> > > Chinese agents typically reach out to private eyes with prior
> > > law-enforcement experience who may have access to government
> > > databases or employees, the officials said.
> > >
> > > The harassment can have a chilling effect beyond the targets,
> > > said James Dennehy, the top counterintelligence official in the
> > > FBI New York office.
> > >
> > > “It’s an effective way of actually silencing the entire community
> > > and the entire population, which is why we have so many Chinese
> > > Americans here in New York who would rather stay quiet than
> > > speaking their true beliefs about the Chinese govt,” Dennehy said.
> > >
> > > Beijing hasn’t historically sought to harass low-profile dissidents
> > > in the U.S., said Thomas Ogden, a lawyer who has represented hundreds
> > > of Chinese nationals seeking asylum in the U.S. He views the recent
> > > cases as showing the Chinese government intensifying efforts in
> > > recent years to try to control dissidents overseas.
> > >
> > > “The tactics they are trying to use to discredit dissidents may
> > > look low level but they are trying to put something out there and
> > > see what sticks,” Mr. Ogden said.
> > >
> > > Yan Xiong, a U.S. Democratic congressional candidate in New York’s
> > > 10th District, was the alleged target in one of the Chinese
> > > surveillance cases announced in March. The retired U.S. Army
> > > chaplain was a student leader in the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy
> > > protests in 1989 and later fled China.
> > >
> > > Xiong, who is running against longtime Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler,
> > > said that when he speaks to white, Black and Hispanic voters in his
> > > district, he talks about his past as a student leader. But when he
> > > campaigns in Chinese-American communities, he avoids discussing the
> > > Tiananmen Square protests.
> > >
> > > Some in the communities still have ties in China, according to Xiong.
> > > They don’t want to be associated with someone who has been critical
> > > of the Chinese government, he said.
> > >
> > > “Since this case, I’ve been a little bit cautious,” Xiong said.
> > > “But I have no fear.”
> > >
> > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-agents-hire-private-eyes-to-harass-dissidents-in-u-s-officials-say-11648845889
> > There are foreign and domestic agents on cyber and ground in every country, too.
> ---------------
> To harass dissidents? No.

When is harassment harassment?
> --
> --

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:39:15 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> > borie wrote:
> > > David P. wrote:
> > > > Chinese Agents Hire Private Eyes to Harass Dissidents in U.S., Officials Say
> > > > By Fanelli & Viswanatha, Apr. 1, 2022, WSJ
> > > >
> > > > Chinese govt agents are increasingly recruiting and hiring
> > > > private eyes to harass dissidents and forcibly repatriate
> > > > Chinese-born U.S. and Canadian residents whom Beijing considers
> > > > criminals, according to federal law-enforcement officials and
> > > > newly unsealed court cases.
> > > >
> > > > “It’s unprecedented how brazen they’re being,” said Roman
> > > > Rozhavsky, an FBI agent who oversees China-related investigations
> > > > in New York. “We’ve never seen them go this far before.”
> > > >
> > > > U.S. officials have long said that Beijing seeks to pursue and
> > > > punish some political rivals living stateside. But according to
> > > > recent court documents and interviews with U.S. officials,
> > > > China’s security services are expanding their dragnet to a
> > > > broader range of U.S.-based targets—and tapping intermediaries
> > > > such as American private eyes to do the work. Agents for the
> > > > Chinese government have targeted private investigators at U.S.
> > > > trade association conferences and through cold calls in their
> > > > recruiting push, the officials said.
> > > >
> > > > Governments in a number of Western democracies have accused
> > > > Beijing of orchestrating campaigns to silence criticism of
> > > > China or celebrate dissident views on university campuses and
> > > > in cultural affairs. U.S. prosecutors in March unsealed 3 cases
> > > > alleging that Chinese agents turned to private investigators to
> > > > harass dissidents and others caught in Beijing’s crosshairs..
> > > >
> > > > Sun Hoi Ying, an alleged Chinese agent charged in one of the
> > > > cases, used a trade association of insurance-fraud investigators
> > > > to connect with private eyes, federal law-enforcement officials said.
> > > >
> > > > He claimed to be the owner of a China-based insurance-loss-adjusting
> > > > company and attended the association’s Sept 2017 annual conference
> > > > in New Orleans, according to the officials. Sun also planned to go
> > > > to the group’s annual conference in 2021 but couldn’t obtain a visa
> > > > in time, the officials said.
> > > >
> > > > Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
> > > > investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
> > > > intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
> > > > to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
> > > > a former pro-democracy student leader in China.
> > > >
> > > > Sun was charged with using private investigators to illegally work
> > > > to repatriate U.S. and Canadian residents to China. He couldn’t be
> > > > reached for comment and is thought by U.S. officials to be in China..
> > > >
> > > > Beginning in early 2021, prosecutors alleged, a different Chinese
> > > > agent sought a private investigator to obtain confidential tax
> > > > records of a California-based artist critical of the Chinese govt.
> > > > The agent hired a former Florida correctional officer to surreptitiously
> > > > meet and surveil the artist and other dissidents, including the father
> > > > of a U.S. champion figure skater, they said.
> > > >
> > > > Arthur Liu, whose daughter Alysa competed as a member of the U.S.
> > > > figure-skating team at the recent Beijing Olympics, said his office
> > > > neighbor recalled seeing a man who met the description of the former
> > > > correctional officer twice in the building’s lobby several months
> > > > ahead of the Games.
> > > >
> > > > “I think they are quite afraid that I might use this opportunity
> > > > to go back to China and stir things up,” said Mr. Liu, who fled
> > > > the country in 1989.
> > > >
> > > > The Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t respond to a request for
> > > > comment. After the recent cases were unsealed, a China foreign-
> > > > ministry spokesman said, “China always asks Chinese citizens to
> > > > abide by laws and regulations in host countries.”
> > > >
> > > > Federal law-enforcement officials said they expect to bring
> > > > additional cases in the future. Meanwhile, FBI officials say
> > > > they plan to meet with the leadership of private-investigator
> > > > associations to warn them of Chinese agents seeking to hire their
> > > > members. The FBI wants to encourage private investigators to come
> > > > forward when they receive a suspicious request, especially ones
> > > > involving a foreign entity, the officials said. Some private eyes
> > > > did cooperate in the cases announced in March.
> > > >
> > > > Chinese agents typically reach out to private eyes with prior
> > > > law-enforcement experience who may have access to government
> > > > databases or employees, the officials said.
> > > >
> > > > The harassment can have a chilling effect beyond the targets,
> > > > said James Dennehy, the top counterintelligence official in the
> > > > FBI New York office.
> > > >
> > > > “It’s an effective way of actually silencing the entire community
> > > > and the entire population, which is why we have so many Chinese
> > > > Americans here in New York who would rather stay quiet than
> > > > speaking their true beliefs about the Chinese govt,” Dennehy said.
> > > >
> > > > Beijing hasn’t historically sought to harass low-profile dissidents
> > > > in the U.S., said Thomas Ogden, a lawyer who has represented hundreds
> > > > of Chinese nationals seeking asylum in the U.S. He views the recent
> > > > cases as showing the Chinese government intensifying efforts in
> > > > recent years to try to control dissidents overseas.
> > > >
> > > > “The tactics they are trying to use to discredit dissidents may
> > > > look low level but they are trying to put something out there and
> > > > see what sticks,” Mr. Ogden said.
> > > >
> > > > Yan Xiong, a U.S. Democratic congressional candidate in New York’s
> > > > 10th District, was the alleged target in one of the Chinese
> > > > surveillance cases announced in March. The retired U.S. Army
> > > > chaplain was a student leader in the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy
> > > > protests in 1989 and later fled China.
> > > >
> > > > Xiong, who is running against longtime Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler,
> > > > said that when he speaks to white, Black and Hispanic voters in his
> > > > district, he talks about his past as a student leader. But when he
> > > > campaigns in Chinese-American communities, he avoids discussing the
> > > > Tiananmen Square protests.
> > > >
> > > > Some in the communities still have ties in China, according to Xiong.
> > > > They don’t want to be associated with someone who has been critical
> > > > of the Chinese government, he said.
> > > >
> > > > “Since this case, I’ve been a little bit cautious,” Xiong said.
> > > > “But I have no fear.”
> > > >
> > > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-agents-hire-private-eyes-to-harass-dissidents-in-u-s-officials-say-11648845889
> > > There are foreign and domestic agents on cyber and ground in every country, too.
> > ---------------
> > To harass dissidents? No.
> When is harassment harassment?

Troll. I suppose you'll somehow argue that this doesn't qualify:

"Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
a former pro-democracy student leader in China."

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 12:54:48 AM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > David P. wrote:
> > > borie wrote:
> > > > David P. wrote:
> > > > > Chinese Agents Hire Private Eyes to Harass Dissidents in U.S., Officials Say
> > > > > By Fanelli & Viswanatha, Apr. 1, 2022, WSJ
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-agents-hire-private-eyes-to-harass-dissidents-in-u-s-officials-say-11648845889
> > > > There are foreign and domestic agents on cyber and ground in every country, too.
> > > ---------------
> > > To harass dissidents? No.
> > When is harassment harassment?
> ----------------
> When ISN'T harassment harassment? lol
> > > --
> > > --

If harassment was real and American law was broken, American private eye(s) did the harassment and
broke the law. But no Americans private eyes were charged for wrong doing.
Since no Americans have yet been charged for carrying out any harassment, the logical question is
when is harassment is harassment. No real person is actually charged, any Chinese agent is still imaginary.

I explain my question.
Would you please explain your "When ISN'T harassment harassment?"

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:50:01 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:39:15 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> > > borie wrote:
> > > > David P. wrote:
> > > > > Chinese Agents Hire Private Eyes to Harass Dissidents in U.S., Officials Say
> > > > > By Fanelli & Viswanatha, Apr. 1, 2022, WSJ
> > > > >
> > > > > Chinese govt agents are increasingly recruiting and hiring
> > > > > private eyes to harass dissidents and forcibly repatriate
> > > > > Chinese-born U.S. and Canadian residents whom Beijing considers
> > > > > criminals, according to federal law-enforcement officials and
> > > > > newly unsealed court cases.
> > > > >
> > > > > “It’s unprecedented how brazen they’re being,” said Roman
> > > > > Rozhavsky, an FBI agent who oversees China-related investigations
> > > > > in New York. “We’ve never seen them go this far before.”
> > > > >
> > > > > U.S. officials have long said that Beijing seeks to pursue and
> > > > > punish some political rivals living stateside. But according to
> > > > > recent court documents and interviews with U.S. officials,
> > > > > China’s security services are expanding their dragnet to a
> > > > > broader range of U.S.-based targets—and tapping intermediaries
> > > > > such as American private eyes to do the work. Agents for the
> > > > > Chinese government have targeted private investigators at U.S.
> > > > > trade association conferences and through cold calls in their
> > > > > recruiting push, the officials said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Governments in a number of Western democracies have accused
> > > > > Beijing of orchestrating campaigns to silence criticism of
> > > > > China or celebrate dissident views on university campuses and
> > > > > in cultural affairs. U.S. prosecutors in March unsealed 3 cases
> > > > > alleging that Chinese agents turned to private investigators to
> > > > > harass dissidents and others caught in Beijing’s crosshairs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sun Hoi Ying, an alleged Chinese agent charged in one of the
> > > > > cases, used a trade association of insurance-fraud investigators
> > > > > to connect with private eyes, federal law-enforcement officials said.
> > > > >
> > > > > He claimed to be the owner of a China-based insurance-loss-adjusting
> > > > > company and attended the association’s Sept 2017 annual conference
> > > > > in New Orleans, according to the officials. Sun also planned to go
> > > > > to the group’s annual conference in 2021 but couldn’t obtain a visa
> > > > > in time, the officials said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
> > > > > investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
> > > > > intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
> > > > > to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
> > > > > a former pro-democracy student leader in China.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sun was charged with using private investigators to illegally work
> > > > > to repatriate U.S. and Canadian residents to China. He couldn’t be
> > > > > reached for comment and is thought by U.S. officials to be in China.
> > > > >
> > > > > Beginning in early 2021, prosecutors alleged, a different Chinese
> > > > > agent sought a private investigator to obtain confidential tax
> > > > > records of a California-based artist critical of the Chinese govt..
> > > > > The agent hired a former Florida correctional officer to surreptitiously
> > > > > meet and surveil the artist and other dissidents, including the father
> > > > > of a U.S. champion figure skater, they said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Arthur Liu, whose daughter Alysa competed as a member of the U.S.
> > > > > figure-skating team at the recent Beijing Olympics, said his office
> > > > > neighbor recalled seeing a man who met the description of the former
> > > > > correctional officer twice in the building’s lobby several months
> > > > > ahead of the Games.
> > > > >
> > > > > “I think they are quite afraid that I might use this opportunity
> > > > > to go back to China and stir things up,” said Mr. Liu, who fled
> > > > > the country in 1989.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t respond to a request for
> > > > > comment. After the recent cases were unsealed, a China foreign-
> > > > > ministry spokesman said, “China always asks Chinese citizens to
> > > > > abide by laws and regulations in host countries.”
> > > > >
> > > > > Federal law-enforcement officials said they expect to bring
> > > > > additional cases in the future. Meanwhile, FBI officials say
> > > > > they plan to meet with the leadership of private-investigator
> > > > > associations to warn them of Chinese agents seeking to hire their
> > > > > members. The FBI wants to encourage private investigators to come
> > > > > forward when they receive a suspicious request, especially ones
> > > > > involving a foreign entity, the officials said. Some private eyes
> > > > > did cooperate in the cases announced in March.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chinese agents typically reach out to private eyes with prior
> > > > > law-enforcement experience who may have access to government
> > > > > databases or employees, the officials said.
> > > > >
> > > > > The harassment can have a chilling effect beyond the targets,
> > > > > said James Dennehy, the top counterintelligence official in the
> > > > > FBI New York office.
> > > > >
> > > > > “It’s an effective way of actually silencing the entire community
> > > > > and the entire population, which is why we have so many Chinese
> > > > > Americans here in New York who would rather stay quiet than
> > > > > speaking their true beliefs about the Chinese govt,” Dennehy said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Beijing hasn’t historically sought to harass low-profile dissidents
> > > > > in the U.S., said Thomas Ogden, a lawyer who has represented hundreds
> > > > > of Chinese nationals seeking asylum in the U.S. He views the recent
> > > > > cases as showing the Chinese government intensifying efforts in
> > > > > recent years to try to control dissidents overseas.
> > > > >
> > > > > “The tactics they are trying to use to discredit dissidents may
> > > > > look low level but they are trying to put something out there and
> > > > > see what sticks,” Mr. Ogden said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yan Xiong, a U.S. Democratic congressional candidate in New York’s
> > > > > 10th District, was the alleged target in one of the Chinese
> > > > > surveillance cases announced in March. The retired U.S. Army
> > > > > chaplain was a student leader in the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy
> > > > > protests in 1989 and later fled China.
> > > > >
> > > > > Xiong, who is running against longtime Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler,
> > > > > said that when he speaks to white, Black and Hispanic voters in his
> > > > > district, he talks about his past as a student leader. But when he
> > > > > campaigns in Chinese-American communities, he avoids discussing the
> > > > > Tiananmen Square protests.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some in the communities still have ties in China, according to Xiong.
> > > > > They don’t want to be associated with someone who has been critical
> > > > > of the Chinese government, he said.
> > > > >
> > > > > “Since this case, I’ve been a little bit cautious,” Xiong said.
> > > > > “But I have no fear.”
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-agents-hire-private-eyes-to-harass-dissidents-in-u-s-officials-say-11648845889
> > > > There are foreign and domestic agents on cyber and ground in every country, too.
> > > ---------------
> > > To harass dissidents? No.
> > When is harassment harassment?
> Troll. I suppose you'll somehow argue that this doesn't qualify:
> "Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
> investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
> intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
> to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
> a former pro-democracy student leader in China."

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 4:44:59 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:50:01 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:39:15 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> > > > borie wrote:
> > > > > David P. wrote:
> > > > > > Chinese Agents Hire Private Eyes to Harass Dissidents in U.S., Officials Say
> > > > > > By Fanelli & Viswanatha, Apr. 1, 2022, WSJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chinese govt agents are increasingly recruiting and hiring
> > > > > > private eyes to harass dissidents and forcibly repatriate
> > > > > > Chinese-born U.S. and Canadian residents whom Beijing considers
> > > > > > criminals, according to federal law-enforcement officials and
> > > > > > newly unsealed court cases.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “It’s unprecedented how brazen they’re being,” said Roman
> > > > > > Rozhavsky, an FBI agent who oversees China-related investigations
> > > > > > in New York. “We’ve never seen them go this far before.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > U.S. officials have long said that Beijing seeks to pursue and
> > > > > > punish some political rivals living stateside. But according to
> > > > > > recent court documents and interviews with U.S. officials,
> > > > > > China’s security services are expanding their dragnet to a
> > > > > > broader range of U.S.-based targets—and tapping intermediaries
> > > > > > such as American private eyes to do the work. Agents for the
> > > > > > Chinese government have targeted private investigators at U.S.
> > > > > > trade association conferences and through cold calls in their
> > > > > > recruiting push, the officials said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Governments in a number of Western democracies have accused
> > > > > > Beijing of orchestrating campaigns to silence criticism of
> > > > > > China or celebrate dissident views on university campuses and
> > > > > > in cultural affairs. U.S. prosecutors in March unsealed 3 cases
> > > > > > alleging that Chinese agents turned to private investigators to
> > > > > > harass dissidents and others caught in Beijing’s crosshairs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sun Hoi Ying, an alleged Chinese agent charged in one of the
> > > > > > cases, used a trade association of insurance-fraud investigators
> > > > > > to connect with private eyes, federal law-enforcement officials said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He claimed to be the owner of a China-based insurance-loss-adjusting
> > > > > > company and attended the association’s Sept 2017 annual conference
> > > > > > in New Orleans, according to the officials. Sun also planned to go
> > > > > > to the group’s annual conference in 2021 but couldn’t obtain a visa
> > > > > > in time, the officials said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
> > > > > > investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
> > > > > > intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
> > > > > > to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
> > > > > > a former pro-democracy student leader in China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sun was charged with using private investigators to illegally work
> > > > > > to repatriate U.S. and Canadian residents to China. He couldn’t be
> > > > > > reached for comment and is thought by U.S. officials to be in China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Beginning in early 2021, prosecutors alleged, a different Chinese
> > > > > > agent sought a private investigator to obtain confidential tax
> > > > > > records of a California-based artist critical of the Chinese govt.
> > > > > > The agent hired a former Florida correctional officer to surreptitiously
> > > > > > meet and surveil the artist and other dissidents, including the father
> > > > > > of a U.S. champion figure skater, they said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arthur Liu, whose daughter Alysa competed as a member of the U.S.
> > > > > > figure-skating team at the recent Beijing Olympics, said his office
> > > > > > neighbor recalled seeing a man who met the description of the former
> > > > > > correctional officer twice in the building’s lobby several months
> > > > > > ahead of the Games.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “I think they are quite afraid that I might use this opportunity
> > > > > > to go back to China and stir things up,” said Mr. Liu, who fled
> > > > > > the country in 1989.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t respond to a request for
> > > > > > comment. After the recent cases were unsealed, a China foreign-
> > > > > > ministry spokesman said, “China always asks Chinese citizens to
> > > > > > abide by laws and regulations in host countries.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Federal law-enforcement officials said they expect to bring
> > > > > > additional cases in the future. Meanwhile, FBI officials say
> > > > > > they plan to meet with the leadership of private-investigator
> > > > > > associations to warn them of Chinese agents seeking to hire their
> > > > > > members. The FBI wants to encourage private investigators to come
> > > > > > forward when they receive a suspicious request, especially ones
> > > > > > involving a foreign entity, the officials said. Some private eyes
> > > > > > did cooperate in the cases announced in March.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chinese agents typically reach out to private eyes with prior
> > > > > > law-enforcement experience who may have access to government
> > > > > > databases or employees, the officials said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The harassment can have a chilling effect beyond the targets,
> > > > > > said James Dennehy, the top counterintelligence official in the
> > > > > > FBI New York office.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “It’s an effective way of actually silencing the entire community
> > > > > > and the entire population, which is why we have so many Chinese
> > > > > > Americans here in New York who would rather stay quiet than
> > > > > > speaking their true beliefs about the Chinese govt,” Dennehy said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Beijing hasn’t historically sought to harass low-profile dissidents
> > > > > > in the U.S., said Thomas Ogden, a lawyer who has represented hundreds
> > > > > > of Chinese nationals seeking asylum in the U.S. He views the recent
> > > > > > cases as showing the Chinese government intensifying efforts in
> > > > > > recent years to try to control dissidents overseas.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “The tactics they are trying to use to discredit dissidents may
> > > > > > look low level but they are trying to put something out there and
> > > > > > see what sticks,” Mr. Ogden said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yan Xiong, a U.S. Democratic congressional candidate in New York’s
> > > > > > 10th District, was the alleged target in one of the Chinese
> > > > > > surveillance cases announced in March. The retired U.S. Army
> > > > > > chaplain was a student leader in the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy
> > > > > > protests in 1989 and later fled China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Xiong, who is running against longtime Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler,
> > > > > > said that when he speaks to white, Black and Hispanic voters in his
> > > > > > district, he talks about his past as a student leader. But when he
> > > > > > campaigns in Chinese-American communities, he avoids discussing the
> > > > > > Tiananmen Square protests.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some in the communities still have ties in China, according to Xiong.
> > > > > > They don’t want to be associated with someone who has been critical
> > > > > > of the Chinese government, he said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “Since this case, I’ve been a little bit cautious,” Xiong said.
> > > > > > “But I have no fear.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-agents-hire-private-eyes-to-harass-dissidents-in-u-s-officials-say-11648845889
> > > > > There are foreign and domestic agents on cyber and ground in every country, too.
> > > > ---------------
> > > > To harass dissidents? No.
> > > When is harassment harassment?
> > Troll. I suppose you'll somehow argue that this doesn't qualify:
> > "Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
> > investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
> > intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
> > to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
> > a former pro-democracy student leader in China."
> Was any American private investigator charged and found guilty in a court of law
> for harassment?

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 4:44:59 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:50:01 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:39:15 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> > > > > borie wrote:
> > > > > > David P. wrote:
> > > > > > > Chinese Agents Hire Private Eyes to Harass Dissidents in U.S., Officials Say
> > > > > > > By Fanelli & Viswanatha, Apr. 1, 2022, WSJ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chinese govt agents are increasingly recruiting and hiring
> > > > > > > private eyes to harass dissidents and forcibly repatriate
> > > > > > > Chinese-born U.S. and Canadian residents whom Beijing considers
> > > > > > > criminals, according to federal law-enforcement officials and
> > > > > > > newly unsealed court cases.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “It’s unprecedented how brazen they’re being,” said Roman
> > > > > > > Rozhavsky, an FBI agent who oversees China-related investigations
> > > > > > > in New York. “We’ve never seen them go this far before.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > U.S. officials have long said that Beijing seeks to pursue and
> > > > > > > punish some political rivals living stateside. But according to
> > > > > > > recent court documents and interviews with U.S. officials,
> > > > > > > China’s security services are expanding their dragnet to a
> > > > > > > broader range of U.S.-based targets—and tapping intermediaries
> > > > > > > such as American private eyes to do the work. Agents for the
> > > > > > > Chinese government have targeted private investigators at U.S..
> > > > > > > trade association conferences and through cold calls in their
> > > > > > > recruiting push, the officials said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Governments in a number of Western democracies have accused
> > > > > > > Beijing of orchestrating campaigns to silence criticism of
> > > > > > > China or celebrate dissident views on university campuses and
> > > > > > > in cultural affairs. U.S. prosecutors in March unsealed 3 cases
> > > > > > > alleging that Chinese agents turned to private investigators to
> > > > > > > harass dissidents and others caught in Beijing’s crosshairs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sun Hoi Ying, an alleged Chinese agent charged in one of the
> > > > > > > cases, used a trade association of insurance-fraud investigators
> > > > > > > to connect with private eyes, federal law-enforcement officials said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He claimed to be the owner of a China-based insurance-loss-adjusting
> > > > > > > company and attended the association’s Sept 2017 annual conference
> > > > > > > in New Orleans, according to the officials. Sun also planned to go
> > > > > > > to the group’s annual conference in 2021 but couldn’t obtain a visa
> > > > > > > in time, the officials said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
> > > > > > > investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
> > > > > > > intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
> > > > > > > to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
> > > > > > > a former pro-democracy student leader in China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sun was charged with using private investigators to illegally work
> > > > > > > to repatriate U.S. and Canadian residents to China. He couldn’t be
> > > > > > > reached for comment and is thought by U.S. officials to be in China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Beginning in early 2021, prosecutors alleged, a different Chinese
> > > > > > > agent sought a private investigator to obtain confidential tax
> > > > > > > records of a California-based artist critical of the Chinese govt.
> > > > > > > The agent hired a former Florida correctional officer to surreptitiously
> > > > > > > meet and surveil the artist and other dissidents, including the father
> > > > > > > of a U.S. champion figure skater, they said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Arthur Liu, whose daughter Alysa competed as a member of the U.S.
> > > > > > > figure-skating team at the recent Beijing Olympics, said his office
> > > > > > > neighbor recalled seeing a man who met the description of the former
> > > > > > > correctional officer twice in the building’s lobby several months
> > > > > > > ahead of the Games.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “I think they are quite afraid that I might use this opportunity
> > > > > > > to go back to China and stir things up,” said Mr. Liu, who fled
> > > > > > > the country in 1989.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t respond to a request for
> > > > > > > comment. After the recent cases were unsealed, a China foreign-
> > > > > > > ministry spokesman said, “China always asks Chinese citizens to
> > > > > > > abide by laws and regulations in host countries.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Federal law-enforcement officials said they expect to bring
> > > > > > > additional cases in the future. Meanwhile, FBI officials say
> > > > > > > they plan to meet with the leadership of private-investigator
> > > > > > > associations to warn them of Chinese agents seeking to hire their
> > > > > > > members. The FBI wants to encourage private investigators to come
> > > > > > > forward when they receive a suspicious request, especially ones
> > > > > > > involving a foreign entity, the officials said. Some private eyes
> > > > > > > did cooperate in the cases announced in March.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chinese agents typically reach out to private eyes with prior
> > > > > > > law-enforcement experience who may have access to government
> > > > > > > databases or employees, the officials said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The harassment can have a chilling effect beyond the targets,
> > > > > > > said James Dennehy, the top counterintelligence official in the
> > > > > > > FBI New York office.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “It’s an effective way of actually silencing the entire community
> > > > > > > and the entire population, which is why we have so many Chinese
> > > > > > > Americans here in New York who would rather stay quiet than
> > > > > > > speaking their true beliefs about the Chinese govt,” Dennehy said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Beijing hasn’t historically sought to harass low-profile dissidents
> > > > > > > in the U.S., said Thomas Ogden, a lawyer who has represented hundreds
> > > > > > > of Chinese nationals seeking asylum in the U.S. He views the recent
> > > > > > > cases as showing the Chinese government intensifying efforts in
> > > > > > > recent years to try to control dissidents overseas.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “The tactics they are trying to use to discredit dissidents may
> > > > > > > look low level but they are trying to put something out there and
> > > > > > > see what sticks,” Mr. Ogden said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yan Xiong, a U.S. Democratic congressional candidate in New York’s
> > > > > > > 10th District, was the alleged target in one of the Chinese
> > > > > > > surveillance cases announced in March. The retired U.S. Army
> > > > > > > chaplain was a student leader in the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy
> > > > > > > protests in 1989 and later fled China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Xiong, who is running against longtime Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler,
> > > > > > > said that when he speaks to white, Black and Hispanic voters in his
> > > > > > > district, he talks about his past as a student leader. But when he
> > > > > > > campaigns in Chinese-American communities, he avoids discussing the
> > > > > > > Tiananmen Square protests.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some in the communities still have ties in China, according to Xiong.
> > > > > > > They don’t want to be associated with someone who has been critical
> > > > > > > of the Chinese government, he said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “Since this case, I’ve been a little bit cautious,” Xiong said.
> > > > > > > “But I have no fear.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-agents-hire-private-eyes-to-harass-dissidents-in-u-s-officials-say-11648845889
> > > > > > There are foreign and domestic agents on cyber and ground in every country, too.
> > > > > ---------------
> > > > > To harass dissidents? No.
> > > > When is harassment harassment?
> > > Troll. I suppose you'll somehow argue that this doesn't qualify:
> > > "Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
> > > investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
> > > intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
> > > to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
> > > a former pro-democracy student leader in China."
> > Was any American private investigator charged and found guilty in a court of law
> > for harassment?
> If you try to hire someone to hurt someone, you are guilty of a crime, regardless of whether you are successful.

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 9:57:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 4:44:59 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:50:01 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:39:15 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> > > > > > borie wrote:
> > > > > > > David P. wrote:
> > > > > > > > Chinese Agents Hire Private Eyes to Harass Dissidents in U.S., Officials Say
> > > > > > > > By Fanelli & Viswanatha, Apr. 1, 2022, WSJ
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Chinese govt agents are increasingly recruiting and hiring
> > > > > > > > private eyes to harass dissidents and forcibly repatriate
> > > > > > > > Chinese-born U.S. and Canadian residents whom Beijing considers
> > > > > > > > criminals, according to federal law-enforcement officials and
> > > > > > > > newly unsealed court cases.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “It’s unprecedented how brazen they’re being,” said Roman
> > > > > > > > Rozhavsky, an FBI agent who oversees China-related investigations
> > > > > > > > in New York. “We’ve never seen them go this far before.”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > U.S. officials have long said that Beijing seeks to pursue and
> > > > > > > > punish some political rivals living stateside. But according to
> > > > > > > > recent court documents and interviews with U.S. officials,
> > > > > > > > China’s security services are expanding their dragnet to a
> > > > > > > > broader range of U.S.-based targets—and tapping intermediaries
> > > > > > > > such as American private eyes to do the work. Agents for the
> > > > > > > > Chinese government have targeted private investigators at U..S.
> > > > > > > > trade association conferences and through cold calls in their
> > > > > > > > recruiting push, the officials said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Governments in a number of Western democracies have accused
> > > > > > > > Beijing of orchestrating campaigns to silence criticism of
> > > > > > > > China or celebrate dissident views on university campuses and
> > > > > > > > in cultural affairs. U.S. prosecutors in March unsealed 3 cases
> > > > > > > > alleging that Chinese agents turned to private investigators to
> > > > > > > > harass dissidents and others caught in Beijing’s crosshairs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sun Hoi Ying, an alleged Chinese agent charged in one of the
> > > > > > > > cases, used a trade association of insurance-fraud investigators
> > > > > > > > to connect with private eyes, federal law-enforcement officials said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He claimed to be the owner of a China-based insurance-loss-adjusting
> > > > > > > > company and attended the association’s Sept 2017 annual conference
> > > > > > > > in New Orleans, according to the officials. Sun also planned to go
> > > > > > > > to the group’s annual conference in 2021 but couldn’t obtain a visa
> > > > > > > > in time, the officials said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
> > > > > > > > investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
> > > > > > > > intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
> > > > > > > > to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
> > > > > > > > a former pro-democracy student leader in China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sun was charged with using private investigators to illegally work
> > > > > > > > to repatriate U.S. and Canadian residents to China. He couldn’t be
> > > > > > > > reached for comment and is thought by U.S. officials to be in China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Beginning in early 2021, prosecutors alleged, a different Chinese
> > > > > > > > agent sought a private investigator to obtain confidential tax
> > > > > > > > records of a California-based artist critical of the Chinese govt.
> > > > > > > > The agent hired a former Florida correctional officer to surreptitiously
> > > > > > > > meet and surveil the artist and other dissidents, including the father
> > > > > > > > of a U.S. champion figure skater, they said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Arthur Liu, whose daughter Alysa competed as a member of the U.S.
> > > > > > > > figure-skating team at the recent Beijing Olympics, said his office
> > > > > > > > neighbor recalled seeing a man who met the description of the former
> > > > > > > > correctional officer twice in the building’s lobby several months
> > > > > > > > ahead of the Games.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “I think they are quite afraid that I might use this opportunity
> > > > > > > > to go back to China and stir things up,” said Mr. Liu, who fled
> > > > > > > > the country in 1989.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t respond to a request for
> > > > > > > > comment. After the recent cases were unsealed, a China foreign-
> > > > > > > > ministry spokesman said, “China always asks Chinese citizens to
> > > > > > > > abide by laws and regulations in host countries.”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Federal law-enforcement officials said they expect to bring
> > > > > > > > additional cases in the future. Meanwhile, FBI officials say
> > > > > > > > they plan to meet with the leadership of private-investigator
> > > > > > > > associations to warn them of Chinese agents seeking to hire their
> > > > > > > > members. The FBI wants to encourage private investigators to come
> > > > > > > > forward when they receive a suspicious request, especially ones
> > > > > > > > involving a foreign entity, the officials said. Some private eyes
> > > > > > > > did cooperate in the cases announced in March.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Chinese agents typically reach out to private eyes with prior
> > > > > > > > law-enforcement experience who may have access to government
> > > > > > > > databases or employees, the officials said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The harassment can have a chilling effect beyond the targets,
> > > > > > > > said James Dennehy, the top counterintelligence official in the
> > > > > > > > FBI New York office.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “It’s an effective way of actually silencing the entire community
> > > > > > > > and the entire population, which is why we have so many Chinese
> > > > > > > > Americans here in New York who would rather stay quiet than
> > > > > > > > speaking their true beliefs about the Chinese govt,” Dennehy said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Beijing hasn’t historically sought to harass low-profile dissidents
> > > > > > > > in the U.S., said Thomas Ogden, a lawyer who has represented hundreds
> > > > > > > > of Chinese nationals seeking asylum in the U.S. He views the recent
> > > > > > > > cases as showing the Chinese government intensifying efforts in
> > > > > > > > recent years to try to control dissidents overseas.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “The tactics they are trying to use to discredit dissidents may
> > > > > > > > look low level but they are trying to put something out there and
> > > > > > > > see what sticks,” Mr. Ogden said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yan Xiong, a U.S. Democratic congressional candidate in New York’s
> > > > > > > > 10th District, was the alleged target in one of the Chinese
> > > > > > > > surveillance cases announced in March. The retired U.S. Army
> > > > > > > > chaplain was a student leader in the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy
> > > > > > > > protests in 1989 and later fled China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Xiong, who is running against longtime Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler,
> > > > > > > > said that when he speaks to white, Black and Hispanic voters in his
> > > > > > > > district, he talks about his past as a student leader. But when he
> > > > > > > > campaigns in Chinese-American communities, he avoids discussing the
> > > > > > > > Tiananmen Square protests.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Some in the communities still have ties in China, according to Xiong.
> > > > > > > > They don’t want to be associated with someone who has been critical
> > > > > > > > of the Chinese government, he said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “Since this case, I’ve been a little bit cautious,” Xiong said.
> > > > > > > > “But I have no fear.”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-agents-hire-private-eyes-to-harass-dissidents-in-u-s-officials-say-11648845889
> > > > > > > There are foreign and domestic agents on cyber and ground in every country, too.
> > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > To harass dissidents? No.
> > > > > When is harassment harassment?
> > > > Troll. I suppose you'll somehow argue that this doesn't qualify:
> > > > "Sun and an associate built a relationship with one private
> > > > investigator and later put him in touch with a retired Chinese
> > > > intelligence officer, who, officials said, asked the investigator
> > > > to harass and, if necessary, hurt a U.S. congressional candidate,
> > > > a former pro-democracy student leader in China."
> > > Was any American private investigator charged and found guilty in a court of law
> > > for harassment?
> > If you try to hire someone to hurt someone, you are guilty of a crime, regardless of whether you are successful.
> IF, what a big IF.
> Whom had been hired to do what? Where and when? How old are these investigators anyway? 6 years old?
> > But there's really not much point in trying to discuss this with you - you are too much of an apologist for the Chinese government.