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The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
2. Russia ends America's supremacy

The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.

"Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.

Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.

Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.

If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
In a stalemate

Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.

Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.

....

Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/

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On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:47:18 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
>
> The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
>
> "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
>
> Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.
>
> Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
>
> If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> In a stalemate
>
> Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east.. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
>
> Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
>
> ...
>
> Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/

Indeed Russia is the aggrieved party and hence they remove America's supremacy. America's intention surrounding Russia with NATO is very clear to Russia and the world, too. It's time to dismantle to the threat. America had forced Russia to remove them. The supreme power of US is now toothlessly removed. The people in Ukraine are in complete disarrays.

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 by: ltlee1 - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:22 UTC

On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 7:33:55 PM UTC, borie wrote:
> On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:47:18 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> > 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> > 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
> >
> > The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
> >
> > "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
> >
> > Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.
> >
> > Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
> >
> > If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> > In a stalemate
> >
> > Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
> >
> > Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> > https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/
> Indeed Russia is the aggrieved party and hence they remove America's supremacy. America's intention surrounding Russia with NATO is very clear to Russia and the world, too. It's time to dismantle to the threat. America had forced Russia to remove them. The supreme power of US is now toothlessly removed. The people in Ukraine are in complete disarrays.

Again, the first point Russia is the aggrieved party is expected. One could accept or not to accept this view. But the two statements
"USA and NATO did not listen", "Russia ends America's supremacy" do not appear to be linked. Neither as correlation nor as causation.

As present, the US does not involve in fighting because it chooses not to. And because Russia is getting weaker materially and
diplomatically, at least in the short term. The article does include the following:

"New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them,
the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."

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 by: borie - Sun, 27 Mar 2022 01:12 UTC

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:22:27 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 7:33:55 PM UTC, borie wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:47:18 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> > > 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> > > 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
> > >
> > > The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
> > >
> > > "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
> > >
> > > Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.
> > >
> > > Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
> > >
> > > If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> > > In a stalemate
> > >
> > > Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
> > >
> > > Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> > > https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/
> > Indeed Russia is the aggrieved party and hence they remove America's supremacy. America's intention surrounding Russia with NATO is very clear to Russia and the world, too. It's time to dismantle to the threat. America had forced Russia to remove them. The supreme power of US is now toothlessly removed. The people in Ukraine are in complete disarrays.
> Again, the first point Russia is the aggrieved party is expected. One could accept or not to accept this view. But the two statements
> "USA and NATO did not listen", "Russia ends America's supremacy" do not appear to be linked. Neither as correlation nor as causation.
>
> As present, the US does not involve in fighting because it chooses not to.. And because Russia is getting weaker materially and
> diplomatically, at least in the short term. The article does include the following:
> "New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them,
> the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."

Russia has to deal with US president and American officials who think they can spout disrespect any leader around the world. Yesterday at the NATO meeting in Poland, Biden openly exhorted to them loudly that Putin should not be there as leader of Russia. This makes people wonder who is Biden who has so much power of disrespect on a leader of a foreign power. This means US is still wandering and treading everywhere in any meeting at any place telling and gesturing and abusing at anyone like that.

This means Biden is saying Putin is not the leader of Russia and Biden is. Therefore, such abusive power of America is not acceptable. making false accusation and fake news and misinformation are the new normal of the US president and officials can read fake news and used them produce misinformation.. New rule and law for misinformation on Russia should be initiated immediately to safeguard Russia.

Make no mistake, rules and laws should now be instituted by Russia to arrest any foreigner overseas and foreign people working in their foreign embassies abroad in making up fake news and false pictures.

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 by: ltlee1 - Sun, 27 Mar 2022 12:03 UTC

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 1:12:36 AM UTC, borie wrote:
> On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:22:27 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 7:33:55 PM UTC, borie wrote:
> > > On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:47:18 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> > > > 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> > > > 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
> > > >
> > > > The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
> > > >
> > > > "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
> > > >
> > > > Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.
> > > >
> > > > Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
> > > >
> > > > If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> > > > In a stalemate
> > > >
> > > > Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
> > > >
> > > > Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> > > > https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/
> > > Indeed Russia is the aggrieved party and hence they remove America's supremacy. America's intention surrounding Russia with NATO is very clear to Russia and the world, too. It's time to dismantle to the threat. America had forced Russia to remove them. The supreme power of US is now toothlessly removed. The people in Ukraine are in complete disarrays.
> > Again, the first point Russia is the aggrieved party is expected. One could accept or not to accept this view. But the two statements
> > "USA and NATO did not listen", "Russia ends America's supremacy" do not appear to be linked. Neither as correlation nor as causation.
> >
> > As present, the US does not involve in fighting because it chooses not to. And because Russia is getting weaker materially and
> > diplomatically, at least in the short term. The article does include the following:
> > "New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them,
> > the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> Russia has to deal with US president and American officials who think they can spout disrespect any leader around the world. Yesterday at the NATO meeting in Poland, Biden openly exhorted to them loudly that Putin should not be there as leader of Russia. This makes people wonder who is Biden who has so much power of disrespect on a leader of a foreign power. This means US is still wandering and treading everywhere in any meeting at any place telling and gesturing and abusing at anyone like that.
>
> This means Biden is saying Putin is not the leader of Russia and Biden is.. Therefore, such abusive power of America is not acceptable. making false accusation and fake news and misinformation are the new normal of the US president and officials can read fake news and used them produce misinformation. New rule and law for misinformation on Russia should be initiated immediately to safeguard Russia.
>
> Make no mistake, rules and laws should now be instituted by Russia to arrest any foreigner overseas and foreign people working in their foreign embassies abroad in making up fake news and false pictures.

While the article include the following:
"...the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon."

I am not sure it means "rules and laws should now be instituted by Russia to arrest any foreigner overseas and foreign people working in their foreign embassies abroad in making up fake news and false pictures."

More important, how could a Russia enacting what you have suggested above end American supremacy?

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On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:47:18 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
>
> The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
>
> "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
>
> Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.
>
> Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
>
> If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> In a stalemate
>
> Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east.. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
>
> Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
>
> ...
>
> Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/

While not ending America's Supremacy, Putin could indeed negatively impact dollar's supremacy.

"Sputnik has obtained the full text of the gas-for-rubles directive. The document, entitled "On a special procedure for the fulfillment of obligations by foreign buyers to Russian suppliers of natural gas", orders that payments for gas exported as of 1 April to countries which have engaged in "unfriendly actions against the Russian Federation, Russian legal entities and individuals" be made in rubles.
Supplies will be frozen if an attempt is made to pay in foreign currency, in the event of a failure to pay in full, or a failure to make payment from an authorised Russian bank.
"The Joint Stock Company Gazprombank, which for the purposes of this decree is an authorised bank ... opens special type K ruble accounts and special type K foreign currency accounts for payments for the gas supplied on the basis of applications made by foreign buyers," the document notes."

https://sputniknews.com/20220331/putin-western-countries-must-open-accounts-in-russian-banks-to-buy-russian-gas-1094359921.html

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On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:24:54 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:47:18 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> > 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> > 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
> >
> > The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
> >
> > "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
> >
> > Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.
> >
> > Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
> >
> > If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> > In a stalemate
> >
> > Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
> >
> > Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> > https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/
> While not ending America's Supremacy, Putin could indeed negatively impact dollar's supremacy.
>
> "Sputnik has obtained the full text of the gas-for-rubles directive. The document, entitled "On a special procedure for the fulfillment of obligations by foreign buyers to Russian suppliers of natural gas", orders that payments for gas exported as of 1 April to countries which have engaged in "unfriendly actions against the Russian Federation, Russian legal entities and individuals" be made in rubles.
> Supplies will be frozen if an attempt is made to pay in foreign currency, in the event of a failure to pay in full, or a failure to make payment from an authorised Russian bank.
> "The Joint Stock Company Gazprombank, which for the purposes of this decree is an authorised bank ... opens special type K ruble accounts and special type K foreign currency accounts for payments for the gas supplied on the basis of applications made by foreign buyers," the document notes."
>
> https://sputniknews.com/20220331/putin-western-countries-must-open-accounts-in-russian-banks-to-buy-russian-gas-1094359921.html

Sputnik is frequently described by academics and journalists as a Russian propaganda outlet.[2] In 2016, Neil MacFarquhar of The New York Times wrote: "The fundamental purpose of dezinformatsiya, or Russian disinformation, experts said, is to undermine the official version of events—even the very idea that there is a true version of events—and foster a kind of policy paralysis." The Russian government rejects the validity of such assertions.[16] In early 2019, Facebook removed hundreds of pages on its social media platform passing as independent news sites but were actually under the control of Sputnik employees.[17]

Please stop using state-controlled media sources to assert things. Next!

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On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:35:10 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:24:54 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:47:18 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> > > 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> > > 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
> > >
> > > The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
> > >
> > > "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
> > >
> > > Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.
> > >
> > > Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
> > >
> > > If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> > > In a stalemate
> > >
> > > Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
> > >
> > > Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> > > https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/
> > While not ending America's Supremacy, Putin could indeed negatively impact dollar's supremacy.
> >
> > "Sputnik has obtained the full text of the gas-for-rubles directive. The document, entitled "On a special procedure for the fulfillment of obligations by foreign buyers to Russian suppliers of natural gas", orders that payments for gas exported as of 1 April to countries which have engaged in "unfriendly actions against the Russian Federation, Russian legal entities and individuals" be made in rubles.
> > Supplies will be frozen if an attempt is made to pay in foreign currency, in the event of a failure to pay in full, or a failure to make payment from an authorised Russian bank.
> > "The Joint Stock Company Gazprombank, which for the purposes of this decree is an authorised bank ... opens special type K ruble accounts and special type K foreign currency accounts for payments for the gas supplied on the basis of applications made by foreign buyers," the document notes."
> >
> > https://sputniknews.com/20220331/putin-western-countries-must-open-accounts-in-russian-banks-to-buy-russian-gas-1094359921.html
> Sputnik is frequently described by academics and journalists as a Russian propaganda outlet.[2] In 2016, Neil MacFarquhar of The New York Times wrote: "The fundamental purpose of dezinformatsiya, or Russian disinformation, experts said, is to undermine the official version of events—even the very idea that there is a true version of events—and foster a kind of policy paralysis." The Russian government rejects the validity of such assertions.[16] In early 2019, Facebook removed hundreds of pages on its social media platform passing as independent news sites but were actually under the control of Sputnik employees.[17]

Whatever.

>
> Please stop using state-controlled media sources to assert things. Next!

Did the following as well as many other Western reports on the same issue?
If there are differences between Sputnik and Western media, I bet Sputnik is more authentic. You are entitled to your opinion. But your own fact.

https://www.cnbc.com › 2022 › 03 › 23 › putin-wants-unfriendly-countries-to-pay-for-russian-gas-in-roubles.html
Mar 23, 2022Russia will seek payment in rubles for gas sales from "unfriendly" countries, President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday, sending European gas prices soaring on concerns the move would exacerbate ...

https://abcnews.go.com › International › wireStory › putin-unfriendly-countries-pay-rubles-gas-83622623
President Vladimir Putin announced that Russia will demand "unfriendly" countries pay for Russian natural gas exports only in rubles from now on On Location: March 25, 2022 MOSCOW -- President ...

https://www.cnn.com › 2022 › 03 › 24 › business › putin-gas-rubles › index.html
Mar 24, 2022Russia will seek payment in rubles for natural gas sold to "unfriendly" countries, President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday, and European gas prices soared on concerns the move would exacerbate ...

https://www.nytimes.com › 2022 › 03 › 24 › business › putin-rubles-russian-gas.html
Mar 24, 2022Here's How Putin's Demand for Ruble Payments for Gas Could Play Out. European officials rejected Russia's demand, with Germany's economic minister saying it amounted to a breach of contract.

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On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 11:02:44 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:35:10 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:24:54 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:47:18 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> > > > 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> > > > 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
> > > >
> > > > The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
> > > >
> > > > "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
> > > >
> > > > Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.
> > > >
> > > > Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
> > > >
> > > > If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> > > > In a stalemate
> > > >
> > > > Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
> > > >
> > > > Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> > > > https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/
> > > While not ending America's Supremacy, Putin could indeed negatively impact dollar's supremacy.
> > >
> > > "Sputnik has obtained the full text of the gas-for-rubles directive. The document, entitled "On a special procedure for the fulfillment of obligations by foreign buyers to Russian suppliers of natural gas", orders that payments for gas exported as of 1 April to countries which have engaged in "unfriendly actions against the Russian Federation, Russian legal entities and individuals" be made in rubles.
> > > Supplies will be frozen if an attempt is made to pay in foreign currency, in the event of a failure to pay in full, or a failure to make payment from an authorised Russian bank.
> > > "The Joint Stock Company Gazprombank, which for the purposes of this decree is an authorised bank ... opens special type K ruble accounts and special type K foreign currency accounts for payments for the gas supplied on the basis of applications made by foreign buyers," the document notes."
> > >
> > > https://sputniknews.com/20220331/putin-western-countries-must-open-accounts-in-russian-banks-to-buy-russian-gas-1094359921.html
> > Sputnik is frequently described by academics and journalists as a Russian propaganda outlet.[2] In 2016, Neil MacFarquhar of The New York Times wrote: "The fundamental purpose of dezinformatsiya, or Russian disinformation, experts said, is to undermine the official version of events—even the very idea that there is a true version of events—and foster a kind of policy paralysis." The Russian government rejects the validity of such assertions.[16] In early 2019, Facebook removed hundreds of pages on its social media platform passing as independent news sites but were actually under the control of Sputnik employees.[17]
> Whatever.

Stalin was a bad man, and your only response would be "whatever". Weak.

> > Please stop using state-controlled media sources to assert things. Next!
> Did the following as well as many other Western reports on the same issue?

At least you admit that the Russian and Chinese sources you cite are state-controlled. Given the inauthenticity of the state-controlled press, especially in the absence of a free press, it is complete garbage. You have no leg to stand on.

> If there are differences between Sputnik and Western media, I bet Sputnik is more authentic. You are entitled to your opinion. But your own fact.

You would lose that bet, no question. It is so obvious that the free press, for all of its flaws, is infinitely more authentic than the garbage narrative from Russia and China you push. Really lame.

>
> https://www.cnbc.com › 2022 › 03 › 23 › putin-wants-unfriendly-countries-to-pay-for-russian-gas-in-roubles.html
> Mar 23, 2022Russia will seek payment in rubles for gas sales from "unfriendly" countries, President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday, sending European gas prices soaring on concerns the move would exacerbate ...
>
> https://abcnews.go.com › International › wireStory › putin-unfriendly-countries-pay-rubles-gas-83622623
> President Vladimir Putin announced that Russia will demand "unfriendly" countries pay for Russian natural gas exports only in rubles from now on On Location: March 25, 2022 MOSCOW -- President ...
>
> https://www.cnn.com › 2022 › 03 › 24 › business › putin-gas-rubles › index.html
> Mar 24, 2022Russia will seek payment in rubles for natural gas sold to "unfriendly" countries, President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday, and European gas prices soared on concerns the move would exacerbate ...
>
> https://www.nytimes.com › 2022 › 03 › 24 › business › putin-rubles-russian-gas.html
> Mar 24, 2022Here's How Putin's Demand for Ruble Payments for Gas Could Play Out. European officials rejected Russia's demand, with Germany's economic minister saying it amounted to a breach of contract.

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 by: ltlee1 - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 22:01 UTC

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:29:39 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 11:02:44 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:35:10 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:24:54 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:47:18 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> > > > > 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> > > > > 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
> > > > >
> > > > > The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats..
> > > > >
> > > > > Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
> > > > >
> > > > > If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> > > > > In a stalemate
> > > > >
> > > > > Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> > > > > https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/
> > > > While not ending America's Supremacy, Putin could indeed negatively impact dollar's supremacy.
> > > >
> > > > "Sputnik has obtained the full text of the gas-for-rubles directive.. The document, entitled "On a special procedure for the fulfillment of obligations by foreign buyers to Russian suppliers of natural gas", orders that payments for gas exported as of 1 April to countries which have engaged in "unfriendly actions against the Russian Federation, Russian legal entities and individuals" be made in rubles.
> > > > Supplies will be frozen if an attempt is made to pay in foreign currency, in the event of a failure to pay in full, or a failure to make payment from an authorised Russian bank.
> > > > "The Joint Stock Company Gazprombank, which for the purposes of this decree is an authorised bank ... opens special type K ruble accounts and special type K foreign currency accounts for payments for the gas supplied on the basis of applications made by foreign buyers," the document notes."
> > > >
> > > > https://sputniknews.com/20220331/putin-western-countries-must-open-accounts-in-russian-banks-to-buy-russian-gas-1094359921.html
> > > Sputnik is frequently described by academics and journalists as a Russian propaganda outlet.[2] In 2016, Neil MacFarquhar of The New York Times wrote: "The fundamental purpose of dezinformatsiya, or Russian disinformation, experts said, is to undermine the official version of events—even the very idea that there is a true version of events—and foster a kind of policy paralysis." The Russian government rejects the validity of such assertions.[16] In early 2019, Facebook removed hundreds of pages on its social media platform passing as independent news sites but were actually under the control of Sputnik employees.[17]
> > Whatever.
> Stalin was a bad man, and your only response would be "whatever". Weak.
> > > Please stop using state-controlled media sources to assert things. Next!
> > Did the following as well as many other Western reports on the same issue?
> At least you admit that the Russian and Chinese sources you cite are state-controlled. Given the inauthenticity of the state-controlled press, especially in the absence of a free press, it is complete garbage. You have no leg to stand on.
> > If there are differences between Sputnik and Western media, I bet Sputnik is more authentic. You are entitled to your opinion. But your own fact.
> You would lose that bet, no question. It is so obvious that the free press, for all of its flaws, is infinitely more authentic than the garbage narrative from Russia and China you push. Really lame.
> >
> > https://www.cnbc.com › 2022 › 03 › 23 › putin-wants-unfriendly-countries-to-pay-for-russian-gas-in-roubles.html
> > Mar 23, 2022Russia will seek payment in rubles for gas sales from "unfriendly" countries, President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday, sending European gas prices soaring on concerns the move would exacerbate ...
> >
> > https://abcnews.go.com › International › wireStory › putin-unfriendly-countries-pay-rubles-gas-83622623
> > President Vladimir Putin announced that Russia will demand "unfriendly" countries pay for Russian natural gas exports only in rubles from now on On Location: March 25, 2022 MOSCOW -- President ...
> >
> > https://www.cnn.com › 2022 › 03 › 24 › business › putin-gas-rubles › index.html
> > Mar 24, 2022Russia will seek payment in rubles for natural gas sold to "unfriendly" countries, President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday, and European gas prices soared on concerns the move would exacerbate ...
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com › 2022 › 03 › 24 › business › putin-rubles-russian-gas.html
> > Mar 24, 2022Here's How Putin's Demand for Ruble Payments for Gas Could Play Out. European officials rejected Russia's demand, with Germany's economic minister saying it amounted to a breach of contract.

Please specify what do you mean by state control.
Many journalists in the US have their office in the West Wing of the White House.
In addition, they often have to get to the good side of White House officials in order to travel with the US President and/or other high level officials.

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 by: borie - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 10:17 UTC

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 11:24:54 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:47:18 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> > 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> > 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
> >
> > The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
> >
> > "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
> >
> > Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.
> >
> > Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
> >
> > If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> > In a stalemate
> >
> > Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
> >
> > Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> > https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/
> While not ending America's Supremacy, Putin could indeed negatively impact dollar's supremacy.
>
> "Sputnik has obtained the full text of the gas-for-rubles directive. The document, entitled "On a special procedure for the fulfillment of obligations by foreign buyers to Russian suppliers of natural gas", orders that payments for gas exported as of 1 April to countries which have engaged in "unfriendly actions against the Russian Federation, Russian legal entities and individuals" be made in rubles.
> Supplies will be frozen if an attempt is made to pay in foreign currency, in the event of a failure to pay in full, or a failure to make payment from an authorised Russian bank.
> "The Joint Stock Company Gazprombank, which for the purposes of this decree is an authorised bank ... opens special type K ruble accounts and special type K foreign currency accounts for payments for the gas supplied on the basis of applications made by foreign buyers," the document notes."
>
> https://sputniknews.com/20220331/putin-western-countries-must-open-accounts-in-russian-banks-to-buy-russian-gas-1094359921.html

The supremacy of the US swift system for the world is now removed by Russia.. Goofed by US instead.

EU argued their gas contract with Russia is by EU dollar and they insisted they will follow their contract with Russia in paying by EU dollar.

But Russia is not accepting it, saying their payment of EU dollar is no use to Russia as they worth nothing because the EU dollar cannot pay or buy anything from EU or the world.

Hence, the supplying of Russia gas to EU is as good as free, because the EU dollar received will be worthless paper instead, because they cannot use it internally in Russia and externally for payment overseas purchases.

Seriously, the EU or US dollars are now like Japanese's bananas dollar during the 2nd world war.
It's like load of worthless "banana dollar" produced by Japan to cheat those countries they occupied.

"Banana" dollar is called by people at that time, banana baskets were used to carrying load of cheap worthless currency by people to pay for purchase.

In those day, people having to carrying bananas and other things, at the front and back of open basket made of cane. It is usually for the carrying loads of bananas for street sales at roadside and open market stalls.

During occupation by Japanese, they used them for the goods and currency transaction, carrying "tons" of worthless Japanese currency forced replaced by Japan to pay for purchases of groceries in the country of their occupations of many countries during the 2nd world war.

A great job for US to goof off countries their swift system. Russia is lovingly reciprocating to them with delights. Russia can insist unfriendly countries to register their payment in Russia rubles.

Russia is doing the right thing where they can now demand Russia Rubles for their goods instead, and not to accept the worthless EU or US dollars or any kind of dollars. It will also increase the businesses in Russian banks.

Russian banks will be busying at work making loads of profits from the increased banking service charges and interest charges on late payments by foreign companies.

Russia should also fix their exchange rate higher for US or EU or including those unfriendly countries to pay for their gas purchase.

Russia is now the world first to reject foreign currency payment because US goofed their policy again. China should also reject any foreign currency to pay for Chinese goods.

China should now also ask foreign companies to set up bank account with Chinese banks for payment of Chinese goods by Chinese yuan, instead.

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 by: ltlee1 - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 15:15 UTC

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:17:57 AM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 11:24:54 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:47:18 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> > > 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> > > 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
> > >
> > > The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
> > >
> > > "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
> > >
> > > Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.
> > >
> > > Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
> > >
> > > If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> > > In a stalemate
> > >
> > > Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
> > >
> > > Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> > > https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/
> > While not ending America's Supremacy, Putin could indeed negatively impact dollar's supremacy.
> >
> > "Sputnik has obtained the full text of the gas-for-rubles directive. The document, entitled "On a special procedure for the fulfillment of obligations by foreign buyers to Russian suppliers of natural gas", orders that payments for gas exported as of 1 April to countries which have engaged in "unfriendly actions against the Russian Federation, Russian legal entities and individuals" be made in rubles.
> > Supplies will be frozen if an attempt is made to pay in foreign currency, in the event of a failure to pay in full, or a failure to make payment from an authorised Russian bank.
> > "The Joint Stock Company Gazprombank, which for the purposes of this decree is an authorised bank ... opens special type K ruble accounts and special type K foreign currency accounts for payments for the gas supplied on the basis of applications made by foreign buyers," the document notes."
> >
> > https://sputniknews.com/20220331/putin-western-countries-must-open-accounts-in-russian-banks-to-buy-russian-gas-1094359921.html
> The supremacy of the US swift system for the world is now removed by Russia. Goofed by US instead.
>
> EU argued their gas contract with Russia is by EU dollar and they insisted they will follow their contract with Russia in paying by EU dollar.
>
> But Russia is not accepting it, saying their payment of EU dollar is no use to Russia as they worth nothing because the EU dollar cannot pay or buy anything from EU or the world.
>
> Hence, the supplying of Russia gas to EU is as good as free, because the EU dollar received will be worthless paper instead, because they cannot use it internally in Russia and externally for payment overseas purchases.
>
> Seriously, the EU or US dollars are now like Japanese's bananas dollar during the 2nd world war.
> It's like load of worthless "banana dollar" produced by Japan to cheat those countries they occupied.
>
> "Banana" dollar is called by people at that time, banana baskets were used to carrying load of cheap worthless currency by people to pay for purchase.
>
> In those day, people having to carrying bananas and other things, at the front and back of open basket made of cane. It is usually for the carrying loads of bananas for street sales at roadside and open market stalls.
>
> During occupation by Japanese, they used them for the goods and currency transaction, carrying "tons" of worthless Japanese currency forced replaced by Japan to pay for purchases of groceries in the country of their occupations of many countries during the 2nd world war.
>
> A great job for US to goof off countries their swift system. Russia is lovingly reciprocating to them with delights. Russia can insist unfriendly countries to register their payment in Russia rubles.
>
> Russia is doing the right thing where they can now demand Russia Rubles for their goods instead, and not to accept the worthless EU or US dollars or any kind of dollars. It will also increase the businesses in Russian banks..
>
> Russian banks will be busying at work making loads of profits from the increased banking service charges and interest charges on late payments by foreign companies.
>
> Russia should also fix their exchange rate higher for US or EU or including those unfriendly countries to pay for their gas purchase.
>
> Russia is now the world first to reject foreign currency payment because US goofed their policy again. China should also reject any foreign currency to pay for Chinese goods.
>
> China should now also ask foreign companies to set up bank account with Chinese banks for payment of Chinese goods by Chinese yuan, instead.

Well, European gas importers have, so far, refused to pay their gas in Russian Rubles.
But the story is that Russia would stop gas delivery until May 1st unless April delivery is paid in full in Rubles.

But you are right.
China and other countries would include in their contracts to be paid by friendly currencies given US propensity
to use the dollar and the associated SWIFT system as an economic weapon. Just a matter of time.

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On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 11:15:48 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:17:57 AM UTC-4, borie wrote:
> > On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 11:24:54 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:47:18 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > The Pravda.Ru article made two points:
> > > > 1. Russia is the aggrieved party.
> > > > 2. Russia ends America's supremacy
> > > >
> > > > The first point is expected. The second point is more enigmatic. The article did not really explain how the war would end America's supremacy within what time period.
> > > >
> > > > "Moscow's decision to conduct a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine to demilitarise and denazify the country, has made the Western world face the new reality. It would have been possible to avoid such a disaster, if the USA and NATO had listened to Russia and responded to Russia's concerns sensibly and reasonably.
> > > >
> > > > Vasily Piskarev, the head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, accused the Kyiv regime of the catastrophe. The Ukrainian regime, which enjoys support in the West, came to power eight years ago as a result of a coup. This is a fascist regime in its nature, he said. All attempts to resolve the crisis through the talks failed, and the killings of civilians continued. According to Piskarev, the time has come for decisive action to liberate Ukraine "from the terror unleashed by the last of Hitler and Bandera" and protect the Fatherland from obvious military threats.
> > > >
> > > > Washington and Brussels have done a lot to draw Ukraine and Georgia into the North Atlantic Alliance, nurtured anti-Russian neo-Nazi sentiments in the erstwhile fraternal Slavic country to make Ukraine become Russia's sworn enemy.
> > > >
> > > > If NATO had consolidated itself in the Black Sea region, Russia would have faced a real threat to its southern regions immediately. Historian Oleg Airapetov believes that Washington and its loyal satellites had taken the course for war with Russia back in 2008. Russia could not leave its south to the mercy of fate.
> > > > In a stalemate
> > > >
> > > > Russia repeatedly reminded NATO of its promises not to expand to the east. Russia repeatedly and persistently asked the West to take its security concerns into account and follow the principles of equal and indivisible security enshrined in OSCE documents. Everything was in vain.
> > > >
> > > > Does it make sense to appeal to the conscience and nobility of Western politicians, if they do not even know what these qualities are? They do not want to discuss the revision of the world order, and Moscow was pushed to use military force as a catalyst for negotiations in the future.
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Nikolai Mezhevich, an expert at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that the world has crossed the line, behind which it is becoming a totally different world. New rules are being prepared, and they will be put on the table very soon. The Americans are used to thinking that it is only them, the "exceptional nation," that can make new rules for everyone else, but they are wrong this time. The USA's supremacy is over with."
> > > > https://english.pravda.ru/world/150513-usa_nato_russia/
> > > While not ending America's Supremacy, Putin could indeed negatively impact dollar's supremacy.
> > >
> > > "Sputnik has obtained the full text of the gas-for-rubles directive. The document, entitled "On a special procedure for the fulfillment of obligations by foreign buyers to Russian suppliers of natural gas", orders that payments for gas exported as of 1 April to countries which have engaged in "unfriendly actions against the Russian Federation, Russian legal entities and individuals" be made in rubles.
> > > Supplies will be frozen if an attempt is made to pay in foreign currency, in the event of a failure to pay in full, or a failure to make payment from an authorised Russian bank.
> > > "The Joint Stock Company Gazprombank, which for the purposes of this decree is an authorised bank ... opens special type K ruble accounts and special type K foreign currency accounts for payments for the gas supplied on the basis of applications made by foreign buyers," the document notes."
> > >
> > > https://sputniknews.com/20220331/putin-western-countries-must-open-accounts-in-russian-banks-to-buy-russian-gas-1094359921.html
> > The supremacy of the US swift system for the world is now removed by Russia. Goofed by US instead.
> >
> > EU argued their gas contract with Russia is by EU dollar and they insisted they will follow their contract with Russia in paying by EU dollar.
> >
> > But Russia is not accepting it, saying their payment of EU dollar is no use to Russia as they worth nothing because the EU dollar cannot pay or buy anything from EU or the world.
> >
> > Hence, the supplying of Russia gas to EU is as good as free, because the EU dollar received will be worthless paper instead, because they cannot use it internally in Russia and externally for payment overseas purchases.
> >
> > Seriously, the EU or US dollars are now like Japanese's bananas dollar during the 2nd world war.
> > It's like load of worthless "banana dollar" produced by Japan to cheat those countries they occupied.
> >
> > "Banana" dollar is called by people at that time, banana baskets were used to carrying load of cheap worthless currency by people to pay for purchase.
> >
> > In those day, people having to carrying bananas and other things, at the front and back of open basket made of cane. It is usually for the carrying loads of bananas for street sales at roadside and open market stalls.
> >
> > During occupation by Japanese, they used them for the goods and currency transaction, carrying "tons" of worthless Japanese currency forced replaced by Japan to pay for purchases of groceries in the country of their occupations of many countries during the 2nd world war.
> >
> > A great job for US to goof off countries their swift system. Russia is lovingly reciprocating to them with delights. Russia can insist unfriendly countries to register their payment in Russia rubles.
> >
> > Russia is doing the right thing where they can now demand Russia Rubles for their goods instead, and not to accept the worthless EU or US dollars or any kind of dollars. It will also increase the businesses in Russian banks.
> >
> > Russian banks will be busying at work making loads of profits from the increased banking service charges and interest charges on late payments by foreign companies.
> >
> > Russia should also fix their exchange rate higher for US or EU or including those unfriendly countries to pay for their gas purchase.
> >
> > Russia is now the world first to reject foreign currency payment because US goofed their policy again. China should also reject any foreign currency to pay for Chinese goods.
> >
> > China should now also ask foreign companies to set up bank account with Chinese banks for payment of Chinese goods by Chinese yuan, instead.
> Well, European gas importers have, so far, refused to pay their gas in Russian Rubles.
> But the story is that Russia would stop gas delivery until May 1st unless April delivery is paid in full in Rubles.
>
> But you are right.
> China and other countries would include in their contracts to be paid by friendly currencies given US propensity
> to use the dollar and the associated SWIFT system as an economic weapon. Just a matter of time.

Whichever way the EU argued and insisted in their paying EU dollar will be no help at all. This is because their contract of payment for their purchase of goods under the American's swift system of transactions under US control has been banned by US for Russia.

In short, US has not power for the swift system, which is a private entity alone,
is abusing their powers to deter swift system from transaction with Russia.

Hence, Russia has no choice but to react back with expectation of alternative payment from EU. In short, if EU wants to continue to maintain the contract of purchase of gas contract with Russia, the EU has to comply to their terms of alternative payment cause nu US political stance at Russia.

In short, EU has to decide by the deadline if they want to have their gas supply turned off or pay according to Russian rubles.

Make no mistake, not only China but nearly all countries that are currently buying and waiting for their goods delivered to them from Chinese companies will have to oblige to China's requirement that they pay the goods in Chinese Yuan.

If and when China has it s implementation of payment system in Chinese currency is completed, their high-powered digital system will be efficiently used for transaction. Once China runs its own currency protection, the more benefit will be working in the soil or garden.


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