The age old question is
"If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."

The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."

The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.

In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

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https://www.guancha.cn/internation/2022_03_17_630798.shtml

【编译/观察者网 李焕宇】被战火破坏的街道、一地的尸体、掩面痛哭的平民......这是意大利历史最悠久的报纸之一《新闻报》（La Stampa）在3月16日的头版上刊登的照片，标题则是“大屠杀”（La carneficina）。尽管《新闻报》在头版里极力将其跟基辅等乌克兰政府控制的城市联系起来，但这张照片，其实来自顿涅茨克。

3月14日，乌克兰军队向顿涅茨克市中心发射了一枚携带集束弹头的“圆点-U”战术弹道导弹，造成20人死亡和28人受伤，《新闻报》用的这张照片正是顿涅茨克平民在导弹袭击后的惨状。

然而，《新闻报》并未在这张被冠以“屠杀”标题的照片里注明场景取自何处，反倒是在照片周边的文字里配上了乌克兰政府军控制下的乌克兰城市的局势，引导读者将照片中的惨状跟乌克兰政府军控制的城市联系起来。

《新闻报》的这种操作被俄罗斯外交部门怒斥。据俄卫星网3月17日报道，俄罗斯外交部发言人扎哈罗娃在她的社交媒体上写道：“有一些不能被忽视的、特别厚颜无耻的例子。《新闻报》在首页刊登了一张来自顿涅茨克的照片。救援人员、遗体、悲痛中的人群、被破坏的痕迹，所有这些都是乌军使用‘圆点-U’战术导弹系统在顿涅茨克人民共和国发动袭击的后果。报纸头版配文称：‘基辅面临如此攻击’。就好像这是基辅作战行动中的遇难者遗体，而不是在顿涅茨克。”

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> The age old question is
> "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > The age old question is
> > "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> > The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> > The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> > In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.

> Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.

Can you not face the truth?
Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:07:46 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > The age old question is
> > > "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> > > The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> > > The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> > > In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.
>
> > Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
> Can you not face the truth?
> Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.

Point is that heavily criticizing the Italian press while remaining 100% silent about the much much worse Chinese press is totally hypocritical and makes all you say suspect. That's the actual truth.

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > The age old question is
> > > "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> > > The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> > > The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> > > In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.
>
> > Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
> Can you not face the truth?
> Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.

Different people often see things differently.
Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
Bad journalism?

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > The age old question is
> > > > "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> > > > The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> > > > The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> > > > In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.
> >
> > > Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
> > Can you not face the truth?
> > Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
> Different people often see things differently.
> Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
> I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
> Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
> Bad journalism?

You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > The age old question is
> > > > > "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> > > > > The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> > > > > The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> > > > > In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.
> > >
> > > > Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
> > > Can you not face the truth?
> > > Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
> > Different people often see things differently.
> > Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
> > I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
> > Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
> > Bad journalism?
> You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.

What larger truth?
War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > The age old question is
> > > > > > "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> > > > > > The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> > > > > > The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> > > > > > In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.
> > > >
> > > > > Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
> > > > Can you not face the truth?
> > > > Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
> > > Different people often see things differently.
> > > Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
> > > I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
> > > Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
> > > Bad journalism?
> > You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.
> What larger truth?
> War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
> MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
> If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?

Ridiculous comparison. Ever heard of the World Trade Center?

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 8:49:08 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> The age old question is
> "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.
> --------------------------------------
> https://www.guancha.cn/internation/2022_03_17_630798.shtml
> 【编译/观察者网 李焕宇】被战火破坏的街道、一地的尸体、掩面痛哭的平民......这是意大利历史最悠久的报纸之一《新闻报》（La Stampa）在3月16日的头版上刊登的照片，标题则是“大屠杀”（La carneficina）。尽管《新闻报》在头版里极力将其跟基辅等乌克兰政府控制的城市联系起来，但这张照片，其实来自顿涅茨克。
> 3月14日，乌克兰军队向顿涅茨克市中心发射了一枚携带集束弹头的“圆点-U”战术弹道导弹，造成20人死亡和28人受伤，《新闻报》用的这张照片正是顿涅茨克平民在导弹袭击后的惨状。
> 然而，《新闻报》并未在这张被冠以“屠杀”标题的照片里注明场景取自何处，反倒是在照片周边的文字里配上了乌克兰政府军控制下的乌克兰城市的局势，引导读者将照片中的惨状跟乌克兰政府军控制的城市联系起来。
> 《新闻报》的这种操作被俄罗斯外交部门怒斥。据俄卫星网3月17日报道，俄罗斯外交部发言人扎哈罗娃在她的社交媒体上写道：“有一些不能被忽视的、特别厚颜无耻的例子。《新闻报》在首页刊登了一张来自顿涅茨克的照片。救援人员、遗体、悲痛中的人群、被破坏的痕迹，所有这些都是乌军使用‘圆点-U’战术导弹系统在顿涅茨克人民共和国发动袭击的后果。报纸头版配文称：‘基辅面临如此攻击’。就好像这是基辅作战行动中的遇难者遗体，而不是在顿涅茨克。”

Fake news and "mouse" traps are set by Ukraine state actors with supporting US actors to blame Russia for it.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:27:25 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > The age old question is
> > > > > > > "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> > > > > > > The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> > > > > > > The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> > > > > > > In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
> > > > > Can you not face the truth?
> > > > > Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
> > > > Different people often see things differently.
> > > > Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
> > > > I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
> > > > Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
> > > > Bad journalism?
> > > You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word..
> > What larger truth?
> > War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
> > MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
> > If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?
> Ridiculous comparison. Ever heard of the World Trade Center?

I heard of the World Trade Center.
I also know that Americans were misled over the 9/11 bombing before the US invaded Iraq.
About 2 out 3 believed Iraq was behind the bombing.

At present, I guess most Americans know that they were given false information from the authority as well as the press concerning Iraq.
How about Afghanistan? Was Afghanistan people or its ruling party behind the 9/11 bombing. The answer is also a big NO.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:06:20 AM UTC, borie wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 8:49:08 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > The age old question is
> > "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> > The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> > The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> > In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.
> > --------------------------------------
> > https://www.guancha.cn/internation/2022_03_17_630798.shtml
> > 【编译/观察者网 李焕宇】被战火破坏的街道、一地的尸体、掩面痛哭的平民......这是意大利历史最悠久的报纸之一《新闻报》（La Stampa）在3月16日的头版上刊登的照片，标题则是“大屠杀”（La carneficina）。尽管《新闻报》在头版里极力将其跟基辅等乌克兰政府控制的城市联系起来，但这张照片，其实来自顿涅茨克。
> > 3月14日，乌克兰军队向顿涅茨克市中心发射了一枚携带集束弹头的“圆点-U”战术弹道导弹，造成20人死亡和28人受伤，《新闻报》用的这张照片正是顿涅茨克平民在导弹袭击后的惨状。
> > 然而，《新闻报》并未在这张被冠以“屠杀”标题的照片里注明场景取自何处，反倒是在照片周边的文字里配上了乌克兰政府军控制下的乌克兰城市的局势，引导读者将照片中的惨状跟乌克兰政府军控制的城市联系起来。
> > 《新闻报》的这种操作被俄罗斯外交部门怒斥。据俄卫星网3月17日报道，俄罗斯外交部发言人扎哈罗娃在她的社交媒体上写道：“有一些不能被忽视的、特别厚颜无耻的例子。《新闻报》在首页刊登了一张来自顿涅茨克的照片。救援人员、遗体、悲痛中的人群、被破坏的痕迹，所有这些都是乌军使用‘圆点-U’战术导弹系统在顿涅茨克人民共和国发动袭击的后果。报纸头版配文称：‘基辅面临如此攻击’。就好像这是基辅作战行动中的遇难者遗体，而不是在顿涅茨克。”
> Fake news and "mouse" traps are set by Ukraine state actors with supporting US actors to blame Russia for it.

Of course I cannot really know.
However, given that Russia had placed its military about 150,000 strong at its border since last April. And Zelenskyy did not seem to try to solve the difference between Russia and Ukraine through diplomacy. The only conclusion is "Ukraine was prepared." It is clear that Ukraine could not win by itself in the absence of external support. The question is whether using false flag attack to gain external support is part of its preparation.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:00:18 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:27:25 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > The age old question is
> > > > > > > > "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> > > > > > > > The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> > > > > > > > The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> > > > > > > > In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
> > > > > > Can you not face the truth?
> > > > > > Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
> > > > > Different people often see things differently.
> > > > > Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
> > > > > I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
> > > > > Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
> > > > > Bad journalism?
> > > > You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.
> > > What larger truth?
> > > War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
> > > MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
> > > If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?
> > Ridiculous comparison. Ever heard of the World Trade Center?
> I heard of the World Trade Center.
> I also know that Americans were misled over the 9/11 bombing before the US invaded Iraq.
> About 2 out 3 believed Iraq was behind the bombing.
>
> At present, I guess most Americans know that they were given false information from the authority as well as the press concerning Iraq.
> How about Afghanistan? Was Afghanistan people or its ruling party behind the 9/11 bombing. The answer is also a big NO.

I like how you move the goalposts to include Iraq.

Obviously, the Taliban were harboring the people behind 9/11. Your logic is not logical.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:05:45 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:00:18 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:27:25 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The age old question is
> > > > > > > > > "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> > > > > > > > > The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> > > > > > > > > The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> > > > > > > > > In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
> > > > > > > Can you not face the truth?
> > > > > > > Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
> > > > > > Different people often see things differently.
> > > > > > Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
> > > > > > I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
> > > > > > Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
> > > > > > Bad journalism?
> > > > > You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.
> > > > What larger truth?
> > > > War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
> > > > MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
> > > > If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?
> > > Ridiculous comparison. Ever heard of the World Trade Center?
> > I heard of the World Trade Center.
> > I also know that Americans were misled over the 9/11 bombing before the US invaded Iraq.
> > About 2 out 3 believed Iraq was behind the bombing.
> >
> > At present, I guess most Americans know that they were given false information from the authority as well as the press concerning Iraq.
> > How about Afghanistan? Was Afghanistan people or its ruling party behind the 9/11 bombing. The answer is also a big NO.
> I like how you move the goalposts to include Iraq.
> Obviously, the Taliban were harboring the people behind 9/11. Your logic is not logical.

Was the Afghan people or Taliban behind 9/11? Again, the answer is NO. You can't dispute that. Do you?

"Behind" at least means intention and involved in part of the planning.
In case you don't already know, America CIA had financed directly and indirectly various Mujuhadeen groups and used them
to fight the former USSR in Afghanistan. Results: Afghanistan as a nation was broken and extremely poor after all the fighting.
Some
groups left and some stayed behind. The Taliban itself was also fighting for its own existence. Zero evidence that
it wanted to harm the US and/or involved in the 9/11 attack.

OK. You choose the word harboring. But harboring devoid of a sense of "behind" is quite meaningless.
For example, Mexico drug gangs can now produce narcotics in their own labs. They then export narcotics to the US which killed
tens of thousands Americans every year. Is the Mexican government harboring the drug gangs? Of course not. A better description
would be: The Mexican government is too incompetent to restrict the action of the drug gangs.

The same conclusion regarding Afghanistan. LIke Iraq, Afghanistan was not behind the 9/11 attack.
The US invaded Afghanistan not because the nation was behind the attack. Rather, America and Americans wanted blood.
Bush delivered. The extra-credit was that the invasion and subsequent occupation would preclude a second attack. So it is
also a preventive war.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:34:35 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:05:45 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:00:18 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:27:25 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:04:44 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:20:21 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:04:59 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:07:46 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:04:24 AM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The age old question is
> > > > > > > > > > "If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound."
> > > > > > > > > > The 21st century is, more often than not, "If people are making sound, does it mean a tree had fallen."
> > > > > > > > > > The following is an example from Italian media demonstrating how the media could misleading its readers. La Stampa published a photo showing a certain Ukrainian town after bomb attack with 20 were dead and 28 wounded. The photo was accompanied by a "Kviv Facing Attack" headline.
> > > > > > > > > > In reality, the photo showed the aftermath of a DPR city bombed by Ukraine military.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Clearly, the West needs to aspire to the tremendous honesty displayed by the state-controlled press in China and Russia, those bastions of freedom and humanity.
> > > > > > > > Can you not face the truth?
> > > > > > > > Please read the provided article first if you want to discuss issues. If you have reasons not to believe the article, please inform.
> > > > > > > Different people often see things differently.
> > > > > > > Was the photo the result of Ukrianian force bombing and killing civilians? Or was it the result of Russian force bombing and killing civilians?
> > > > > > > I could not possibly answer this kind of questions most of this time. But in this case, La Stampa did clarify after readers had pointed out the mistake:
> > > > > > > Yes the photo captured Ukrainian force bombing and killing civilians. BUT, it was published misleadingly to show the cruelty of war. Good journalism?
> > > > > > > Bad journalism?
> > > > > > You focus only on one press article or another. But you ignore the larger truth about what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Shameful is the right word.
> > > > > What larger truth?
> > > > > War is cruel and invariable loss-loss. We all know that.
> > > > > MSM media, however, tends to portray Russian operation as "unprovoked invasion." Is this your larger truth?
> > > > > If so, please tell how Russia is not undertaking a preventive war no difference from the US invading Afghanistan?
> > > > Ridiculous comparison. Ever heard of the World Trade Center?
> > > I heard of the World Trade Center.
> > > I also know that Americans were misled over the 9/11 bombing before the US invaded Iraq.
> > > About 2 out 3 believed Iraq was behind the bombing.
> > >
> > > At present, I guess most Americans know that they were given false information from the authority as well as the press concerning Iraq.
> > > How about Afghanistan? Was Afghanistan people or its ruling party behind the 9/11 bombing. The answer is also a big NO.
> > I like how you move the goalposts to include Iraq.
> > Obviously, the Taliban were harboring the people behind 9/11. Your logic is not logical.
> Was the Afghan people or Taliban behind 9/11? Again, the answer is NO. You can't dispute that. Do you?
>
> "Behind" at least means intention and involved in part of the planning.
> In case you don't already know, America CIA had financed directly and indirectly various Mujuhadeen groups and used them
> to fight the former USSR in Afghanistan. Results: Afghanistan as a nation was broken and extremely poor after all the fighting.
> Some
> groups left and some stayed behind. The Taliban itself was also fighting for its own existence. Zero evidence that
> it wanted to harm the US and/or involved in the 9/11 attack.
>
> OK. You choose the word harboring. But harboring devoid of a sense of "behind" is quite meaningless.
> For example, Mexico drug gangs can now produce narcotics in their own labs. They then export narcotics to the US which killed
> tens of thousands Americans every year. Is the Mexican government harboring the drug gangs? Of course not. A better description
> would be: The Mexican government is too incompetent to restrict the action of the drug gangs.
>
> The same conclusion regarding Afghanistan. LIke Iraq, Afghanistan was not behind the 9/11 attack.
> The US invaded Afghanistan not because the nation was behind the attack. Rather, America and Americans wanted blood.
> Bush delivered. The extra-credit was that the invasion and subsequent occupation would preclude a second attack. So it is
> also a preventive war.

Dumb post.