I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
some of them good.
TW

On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:39:24 +0000, TimW <timw@nothanks.com> wrote:

>I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
>plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
>for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
>online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
>some of them good.
>TW
>

Konrad Sauer makes some lovely hand planes.
Check out his photo galleries and get inspired :

http://www.sauerandsteiner.com/traditional

John T.

On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
> I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
> plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
> for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
> online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
> some of them good.
> TW
>

My first thought is that plane making is an old technology that has been
perfected over decades, and that you should take advantage of it if you
are going to make some. Not really a book on plane *making*, but
Garrett Hack's book, "The Handplane Book", made me fall in love with
handplanes. I just looked it up to figure out whether "handplane" is
supposed to be one word or two, and noticed that it is currently $82
(ouch) at Amazon. Your local library probably has a copy! I noticed
they had several books on "plane making" for under $20.

If your scraper plane is supposed to produce a "ribbon", as I expect,
then I think that the "details" (involving the tongue and chip breaker
etc.) will be critical to its performance.

One last thought. You've probably already thought about this, but just
in case, it probably makes sense to get the blade first and then build a
plane that will accommodate it. I hope you will share how your
"project" works out! Good luck and have fun!

Bill <nonegiven@att.net> writes:
>On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
>> I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
>> plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
>> for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
>> online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
>> some of them good.
>> TW
>>
>
>
>My first thought is that plane making is an old technology that has been
>perfected over decades, and that you should take advantage of it if you
>are going to make some. Not really a book on plane *making*, but
>Garrett Hack's book, "The Handplane Book", made me fall in love with
>handplanes. I just looked it up to figure out whether "handplane" is
>supposed to be one word or two, and noticed that it is currently $82
>(ouch) at Amazon. Your local library probably has a copy! I noticed
>they had several books on "plane making" for under $20.
>
>If your scraper plane is supposed to produce a "ribbon", as I expect,
>then I think that the "details" (involving the tongue and chip breaker
>etc.) will be critical to its performance.

A scraper plane is a speciallized plane, that when tuned properly,
produces small curlicues (and if not properly tuned, dust).

The blade is held close to vertical with respect to the surface.

http://www.sawdustandshavings.com/hand_tools/stanley_no_80_review.asp

A google image search for "wooden scraper plane" turns up many
possibilites to use as a general pattern.

Here are some blades:

https://www.hocktools.com/products/sb.html

TimW <timw@nothanks.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:39:24 +0000 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
>I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
>plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
>for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
>online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
>some of them good.

Sounds like you want a tool for holding a scraper.

The trick here is getting the proper edge on the scraper.
Basically, you want to roll the edge of the scraper to put a fine burr
on the blade.
(ASCII art follows)
| |
| |
| L

the L is where the edge has been "pushed over" making the burr which
does the actual "scrape" to remover wood fibers.

Scraper planes just hold the scraper at the proper angle vertically to
have that L engage the wood. Easier on the thumbs.

If you google on scraper blade planes you find all sort of images.
Personally, this week, I'm not doing enough to justify the hassle of
setting up a scraper plane. Next month is another subject.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
> I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
> plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
> for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
> online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
> some of them good.
> TW
>

Do a little research for Steve Knight planes. I have one of his and it
is a joy to use. The blade is very important too.

https://www.handplane.com/7/knight-toolworks-good-solid-handplanes/

https://www.finewoodworking.com/2010/10/28/interview-with-plane-maker-steve-knight

On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 21:21:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
>> I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
>> plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
>> for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
>> online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
>> some of them good.
>> TW
>>
>
>
>Do a little research for Steve Knight planes. I have one of his and it
>is a joy to use. The blade is very important too.
>
>https://www.handplane.com/7/knight-toolworks-good-solid-handplanes/
>
>
>https://www.finewoodworking.com/2010/10/28/interview-with-plane-maker-steve-knight
>

I have a couple he made for me, his site is no longer active. They
leave a real nice planed finish rather than a sanded one.

On 10/31/2022 8:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
>> I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
>> plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
>> for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
>> online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane
>> making, some of them good.
>> TW
>>
>
>
> Do a little research for Steve Knight planes.  I have one of his and it
> is a joy to use.  The blade is very important too.
>
> https://www.handplane.com/7/knight-toolworks-good-solid-handplanes/
>
>
> https://www.finewoodworking.com/2010/10/28/interview-with-plane-maker-steve-knight
>
>
Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore. I used to
sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
switched over to providing the planes as a kit. And I have not seen
anything from him in a very long time.

On 11/1/2022 11:42 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 10/31/2022 8:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
>>> I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
>>> plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg
>>> vertical for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a
>>> starting point online somewhere? where? I see there are a few
>>> youtubes of plane making, some of them good.
>>> TW
>>>
>>
>>
>> Do a little research for Steve Knight planes.  I have one of his and
>> it is a joy to use.  The blade is very important too.
>>
>> https://www.handplane.com/7/knight-toolworks-good-solid-handplanes/
>>
>>
>> https://www.finewoodworking.com/2010/10/28/interview-with-plane-maker-steve-knight
>>
>>
> Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore.   I used to
> sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
> switched over to providing the planes as a kit.   And I have not seen
> anything from him in a very long time.

OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point. He could
get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion.

On 11/1/2022 10:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/1/2022 11:42 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 10/31/2022 8:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
>>>> I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
>>>> plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg
>>>> vertical for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a
>>>> starting point online somewhere? where? I see there are a few
>>>> youtubes of plane making, some of them good.
>>>> TW
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do a little research for Steve Knight planes.  I have one of his and
>>> it is a joy to use.  The blade is very important too.
>>>
>>> https://www.handplane.com/7/knight-toolworks-good-solid-handplanes/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.finewoodworking.com/2010/10/28/interview-with-plane-maker-steve-knight
>>>
>>>
>> Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore.   I used to
>> sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
>> switched over to providing the planes as a kit.   And I have not seen
>> anything from him in a very long time.
>
> OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point.  He could
> get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion.

Absolutely, If you can get detailed multi angled pictures.

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Wed, 2 Nov 2022 07:55:21 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
>
>>> Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore.   I used to
>>> sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
>>> switched over to providing the planes as a kit.   And I have not seen
>>> anything from him in a very long time.
>>
>> OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point.  He could
>> get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion.
>
>
>Absolutely, If you can get detailed multi angled pictures.

Do you guys need complete orthographic projection drawings to make
everything, or can you draw up your own "working" drawings based on
what you've seen and how you figure it ought to go?
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:11:46 AM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Wed, 2 Nov 2022 07:55:21 -0500 typed
> in rec.woodworking the following:
> >
> >>> Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore. I used to
> >>> sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
> >>> switched over to providing the planes as a kit. And I have not seen
> >>> anything from him in a very long time.
> >>
> >> OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point. He could
> >> get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion.
> >
> >
> >Absolutely, If you can get detailed multi angled pictures.
> Do you guys need complete orthographic projection drawings to make
> everything, or can you draw up your own "working" drawings based on
> what you've seen and how you figure it ought to go?
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

Something like this maybe:

https://www.popularwoodworking.com/editors-blog/make-a-scraper-plane/

Michael <michaeldwilson2@gmail.com> on Wed, 2 Nov 2022 17:31:32 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:11:46 AM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Wed, 2 Nov 2022 07:55:21 -0500 typed
>> in rec.woodworking the following:
>> >
>> >>> Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore. I used to
>> >>> sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
>> >>> switched over to providing the planes as a kit. And I have not seen
>> >>> anything from him in a very long time.
>> >>
>> >> OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point. He could
>> >> get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion.
>> >
>> >
>> >Absolutely, If you can get detailed multi angled pictures.
>> Do you guys need complete orthographic projection drawings to make
>> everything, or can you draw up your own "working" drawings based on
>> what you've seen and how you figure it ought to go?
>> --
>> pyotr filipivich
>> "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."
>
>Something like this maybe:
>
>https://www.popularwoodworking.com/editors-blog/make-a-scraper-plane/

That will give you the idea.

(Tangent: I'm not sure there really is a need for the 25 degree
bevel. I could be wrong, but ...)
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

On 03/11/2022 00:31, Michael wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:11:46 AM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Wed, 2 Nov 2022 07:55:21 -0500 typed
>> in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore. I used to
>>>>> sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
>>>>> switched over to providing the planes as a kit. And I have not seen
>>>>> anything from him in a very long time.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point. He could
>>>> get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Absolutely, If you can get detailed multi angled pictures.
>> Do you guys need complete orthographic projection drawings to make
>> everything, or can you draw up your own "working" drawings based on
>> what you've seen and how you figure it ought to go?
>> --
>> pyotr filipivich
>> "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."
>
> Something like this maybe:
>
> https://www.popularwoodworking.com/editors-blog/make-a-scraper-plane/

that's helpful, thanks.
TW

On 31/10/2022 21:23, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> TimW <timw@nothanks.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:39:24 +0000 typed in
> rec.woodworking the following:
>> I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
>> plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
>> for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
>> online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
>> some of them good.
>
> Sounds like you want a tool for holding a scraper.
>
> The trick here is getting the proper edge on the scraper.
> Basically, you want to roll the edge of the scraper to put a fine burr
> on the blade.
> (ASCII art follows)
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> L
>
> the L is where the edge has been "pushed over" making the burr which
> does the actual "scrape" to remover wood fibers.
>
> Scraper planes just hold the scraper at the proper angle vertically to
> have that L engage the wood. Easier on the thumbs.
>
> If you google on scraper blade planes you find all sort of images.
> Personally, this week, I'm not doing enough to justify the hassle of
> setting up a scraper plane. Next month is another subject.

I know what you are talking about but I am after something else. Like
when you take the iron out of a plane and scrape with it: no burr and
not at an oblique angle but scraping with it at 90 degrees.

Tim W

TimW <timw@nothanks.com> on Wed, 9 Nov 2022 17:39:43 +0000 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
>On 31/10/2022 21:23, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> TimW <timw@nothanks.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:39:24 +0000 typed in
>> rec.woodworking the following:
>>> I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
>>> plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
>>> for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
>>> online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
>>> some of them good.
>>
>> Sounds like you want a tool for holding a scraper.
>>
>> The trick here is getting the proper edge on the scraper.
>> Basically, you want to roll the edge of the scraper to put a fine burr
>> on the blade.
>> (ASCII art follows)
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> L
>>
>> the L is where the edge has been "pushed over" making the burr which
>> does the actual "scrape" to remover wood fibers.
>>
>> Scraper planes just hold the scraper at the proper angle vertically to
>> have that L engage the wood. Easier on the thumbs.
>>
>> If you google on scraper blade planes you find all sort of images.
>> Personally, this week, I'm not doing enough to justify the hassle of
>> setting up a scraper plane. Next month is another subject.
>
>I know what you are talking about but I am after something else. Like
>when you take the iron out of a plane and scrape with it: no burr and
>not at an oblique angle but scraping with it at 90 degrees.

Hmmm. Maybe that's why mine "doesn't work".
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

On 31/10/2022 21:23, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> TimW <timw@nothanks.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:39:24 +0000 typed in
> rec.woodworking the following:
>> I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
>> plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
>> for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
>> online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
>> some of them good.
>
> Sounds like you want a tool for holding a scraper.
>
> The trick here is getting the proper edge on the scraper.
> Basically, you want to roll the edge of the scraper to put a fine burr
> on the blade.
> (ASCII art follows)
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> L
>
> the L is where the edge has been "pushed over" making the burr which
> does the actual "scrape" to remover wood fibers.
>
> Scraper planes just hold the scraper at the proper angle vertically to
> have that L engage the wood. Easier on the thumbs.
>
> If you google on scraper blade planes you find all sort of images.
> Personally, this week, I'm not doing enough to justify the hassle of
> setting up a scraper plane. Next month is another subject.

The off-the-shelf version would be this:
https://www.lie-nielsen.com/products/small-scraping-planes
the dims of a 6" block plane with a solid plane blade, not a bendy
spring steel cabinet scraper, mounted near to 90deg with no chip breaker.

I can work it out. I think I will buy an old beech plane off of ebay and
cut my 6" off the end. I may be able to re use the handle or other bits.

TW