On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 16:20:11 -0700 (PDT), John Grossbohlin
<grossboj@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:18:53 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> John Grossbohlin <gros...@gmail.com> on Fri, 7 Oct 2022 08:10:13
>> -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>> >On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:06:49 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> >> Greetings all
>> >> Whilst cleaning out yet another box/container marked "Stuff" I
>> >> found that I have two "bits" of 1 inch band saw blade, about a foot
>> >> and a half in length. Having seen videos on how to turn spade bits
>> >> into router irons, I have two questions:
>> >> 1) "What was I thinking?"
>> >> 2) what can be done with a piece of band saw blade? It is not
>> >> exactly stiff enough for use in plane, although it might work for a
>> >> knife blade.
>> >>
>> >> Any ideas for "alternative" uses?
>> >
>> >I'm late to this... was off doing another one of my expedition bicycle trips. ;~)
>> >
>> >Anyhow, broken bandsaw blades make good stock for shop made scratch stocks. These can be used for making decorative beads on furniture, guns, etc. An associate of mine uses one to make a trench into which contrasting wood can be inserted on small projects.
>> >
>> >If you aren't familiar with them Woodcraft sells a fancy one by Hock.
>> >
>> >https://www.woodcraft.com/products/hock-scratch-stock?gclid=Cj0KCQjwnP-ZBhDiARIsAH3FSRdE8V7uDs05dQKfyMxMKBuG5Hs6ZhMZDnDi1QJCnubNjPgR0St0_VcaAuC1EALw_wcB
>> Looks cool.
>>
>> Now to make my own.
>>
>> There is an old saying about how when one is young, one has time,
>> but no money; but when one is older one has the money, but no time. I
>> seem to be in a paradox, I have little time. and little money. Hmmm
>> ... maybe I'm just middle age.
>> --
>> pyotr filipivich
>> "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."
>
>...and when you retire you'll be so busy you'll wonder how you ever had time for a job. At least that has been my experience... kids, grandkids, elder care, maintenance on aging homes.... all this in the face of diminished capacity...

You forgot, going to the gym, then to the doctor, so you don't have to
see ever more doctors.

I told my wife that I'm collecting "ists", so far I have a
cardiologist, electro-physiologist, two orthopedists, a
rheumatologist, a neurologist, and an endocrinologist on hold.

My wife replied that there is one I can't have, a gynecologist. I told
her that these days, who knows???

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:36:16 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 16:20:11 -0700 (PDT), John Grossbohlin
> <gros...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:18:53 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >> John Grossbohlin <gros...@gmail.com> on Fri, 7 Oct 2022 08:10:13
> >> -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
> >> >On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:06:49 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >> >> Greetings all
> >> >> Whilst cleaning out yet another box/container marked "Stuff" I
> >> >> found that I have two "bits" of 1 inch band saw blade, about a foot
> >> >> and a half in length. Having seen videos on how to turn spade bits
> >> >> into router irons, I have two questions:
> >> >> 1) "What was I thinking?"
> >> >> 2) what can be done with a piece of band saw blade? It is not
> >> >> exactly stiff enough for use in plane, although it might work for a
> >> >> knife blade.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any ideas for "alternative" uses?
> >> >
> >> >I'm late to this... was off doing another one of my expedition bicycle trips. ;~)
> >> >
> >> >Anyhow, broken bandsaw blades make good stock for shop made scratch stocks. These can be used for making decorative beads on furniture, guns, etc. An associate of mine uses one to make a trench into which contrasting wood can be inserted on small projects.
> >> >
> >> >If you aren't familiar with them Woodcraft sells a fancy one by Hock.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.woodcraft.com/products/hock-scratch-stock?gclid=Cj0KCQjwnP-ZBhDiARIsAH3FSRdE8V7uDs05dQKfyMxMKBuG5Hs6ZhMZDnDi1QJCnubNjPgR0St0_VcaAuC1EALw_wcB
> >> Looks cool.
> >>
> >> Now to make my own.
> >>
> >> There is an old saying about how when one is young, one has time,
> >> but no money; but when one is older one has the money, but no time. I
> >> seem to be in a paradox, I have little time. and little money. Hmmm
> >> ... maybe I'm just middle age.
> >> --
> >> pyotr filipivich
> >> "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."
> >
> >...and when you retire you'll be so busy you'll wonder how you ever had time for a job. At least that has been my experience... kids, grandkids, elder care, maintenance on aging homes.... all this in the face of diminished capacity...
> You forgot, going to the gym, then to the doctor, so you don't have to
> see ever more doctors.
>
> I told my wife that I'm collecting "ists", so far I have a
> cardiologist, electro-physiologist, two orthopedists, a
> rheumatologist, a neurologist, and an endocrinologist on hold.
>
> My wife replied that there is one I can't have, a gynecologist. I told
> her that these days, who knows???

You can tell your wife that she is wrong, if you dare.

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/health/2013/12/10/you-were-wondering-can-a-gynecologist-see-men/3924725/

On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:58:23 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:36:16 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 16:20:11 -0700 (PDT), John Grossbohlin
>> <gros...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:18:53 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> >> John Grossbohlin <gros...@gmail.com> on Fri, 7 Oct 2022 08:10:13
>> >> -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>> >> >On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:06:49 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> >> >> Greetings all
>> >> >> Whilst cleaning out yet another box/container marked "Stuff" I
>> >> >> found that I have two "bits" of 1 inch band saw blade, about a foot
>> >> >> and a half in length. Having seen videos on how to turn spade bits
>> >> >> into router irons, I have two questions:
>> >> >> 1) "What was I thinking?"
>> >> >> 2) what can be done with a piece of band saw blade? It is not
>> >> >> exactly stiff enough for use in plane, although it might work for a
>> >> >> knife blade.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Any ideas for "alternative" uses?
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm late to this... was off doing another one of my expedition bicycle trips. ;~)
>> >> >
>> >> >Anyhow, broken bandsaw blades make good stock for shop made scratch stocks. These can be used for making decorative beads on furniture, guns, etc. An associate of mine uses one to make a trench into which contrasting wood can be inserted on small projects.
>> >> >
>> >> >If you aren't familiar with them Woodcraft sells a fancy one by Hock.
>> >> >
>> >> >https://www.woodcraft.com/products/hock-scratch-stock?gclid=Cj0KCQjwnP-ZBhDiARIsAH3FSRdE8V7uDs05dQKfyMxMKBuG5Hs6ZhMZDnDi1QJCnubNjPgR0St0_VcaAuC1EALw_wcB
>> >> Looks cool.
>> >>
>> >> Now to make my own.
>> >>
>> >> There is an old saying about how when one is young, one has time,
>> >> but no money; but when one is older one has the money, but no time. I
>> >> seem to be in a paradox, I have little time. and little money. Hmmm
>> >> ... maybe I'm just middle age.
>> >> --
>> >> pyotr filipivich
>> >> "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."
>> >
>> >...and when you retire you'll be so busy you'll wonder how you ever had time for a job. At least that has been my experience... kids, grandkids, elder care, maintenance on aging homes.... all this in the face of diminished capacity...
>> You forgot, going to the gym, then to the doctor, so you don't have to
>> see ever more doctors.
>>
>> I told my wife that I'm collecting "ists", so far I have a
>> cardiologist, electro-physiologist, two orthopedists, a
>> rheumatologist, a neurologist, and an endocrinologist on hold.
>>
>> My wife replied that there is one I can't have, a gynecologist. I told
>> her that these days, who knows???
>
>You can tell your wife that she is wrong, if you dare.
>
>https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/health/2013/12/10/you-were-wondering-can-a-gynecologist-see-men/3924725/

I didn't realize that they weren't allowed to treat men or lose their
board certification. I just thought it was one of those "it's just
not done" things.

I'm surprised most of those things aren't treated by urologists. OTOH,
I thought a gynecologist might get involved in breast cancer but I
guess that's in the purview of oncologists. The edges of some of these
things gets fuzzy.

On 10/13/2022 12:03 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:58:23 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

> I'm surprised most of those things aren't treated by urologists. OTOH,
> I thought a gynecologist might get involved in breast cancer but I
> guess that's in the purview of oncologists. The edges of some of these
> things gets fuzzy.

I used to have an optometrist who did ophthalmology "as sort of a hobby"
(I think "hobby" was his word, he said he "kept up" with it). He
billed the insurance company (and me) for his exams as though he was an
ophthalmologist too. When he got to the point of being on the verge of
prescribing medication for me, I informed him that I would visit a
credentialed ophthalmologist before that happened. He did not refer me
to one or even suggest that I visit one either, which seems a little
irresponsible to me now, in retrospect. The pressure in my eyes has
been a little high all of my life, so it doesn't alarm me as much as it
alerts optometrists (it's the "changes" which are most significant, and
most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient). Like it
is was said above, the edges of some of these things can get fuzzy (no
pun intended).

On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:39:01 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> On 10/13/2022 12:03 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:58:23 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> > I'm surprised most of those things aren't treated by urologists. OTOH,
> > I thought a gynecologist might get involved in breast cancer but I
> > guess that's in the purview of oncologists. The edges of some of these
> > things gets fuzzy.
> I used to have an optometrist who did ophthalmology "as sort of a hobby"
> (I think "hobby" was his word, he said he "kept up" with it). He
> billed the insurance company (and me) for his exams as though he was an
> ophthalmologist too. When he got to the point of being on the verge of
> prescribing medication for me, I informed him that I would visit a
> credentialed ophthalmologist before that happened. He did not refer me
> to one or even suggest that I visit one either, which seems a little
> irresponsible to me now, in retrospect. The pressure in my eyes has
> been a little high all of my life, so it doesn't alarm me as much as it
> alerts optometrists (it's the "changes" which are most significant, and
> most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient). Like it
> is was said above, the edges of some of these things can get fuzzy (no
> pun intended).

While there is history of Glaucoma in my family, I have elevated pressures
but it's not related to Glaucoma. I have thick corneas which tend to make
the pressures read higher. (My brother has the same "issue".)

re: "most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient"

I have not found that to be the case. Every optometrist I've ever been to
have put me on a regular Glaucoma testing schedule (field of vision, etc.)
No one has said "It's just thick corneas, don't worry about it." They factor
in the few points higher due to the corneas but they don't ignore the family
history.

In a couple of weeks I'm having cataract surgery. I've reached the point where
glasses just don't work anymore. The foggy vision, the muted colors, etc. The
headlight glare from the new LED headlights is becoming a safety issue. I'm
going above and beyond the basic replacement lenses that insurance covers
in the hope of eliminating the need for glasses all together. Worst case is I'll
still need reading glasses for very fine work. I'm hoping and praying for the
best case.

The thing about going back to "sometimes needing readers" is that you are
always looking for those damn readers. Just like having multiple tape measures,
there's never a pair of readers nearby when you need them. When you need
to wear glasses 24-7, you always know where they are. ;-)

On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 14:38:56 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/13/2022 12:03 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:58:23 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>
>> I'm surprised most of those things aren't treated by urologists. OTOH,
>> I thought a gynecologist might get involved in breast cancer but I
>> guess that's in the purview of oncologists. The edges of some of these
>> things gets fuzzy.
>
>I used to have an optometrist who did ophthalmology "as sort of a hobby"
>(I think "hobby" was his word, he said he "kept up" with it). He
>billed the insurance company (and me) for his exams as though he was an
>ophthalmologist too. When he got to the point of being on the verge of
>prescribing medication for me, I informed him that I would visit a
>credentialed ophthalmologist before that happened. He did not refer me
>to one or even suggest that I visit one either, which seems a little
>irresponsible to me now, in retrospect. The pressure in my eyes has
>been a little high all of my life, so it doesn't alarm me as much as it
>alerts optometrists (it's the "changes" which are most significant, and
>most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient). Like it
>is was said above, the edges of some of these things can get fuzzy (no
>pun intended).

My eye pressure was normal, even low normal, but developed glaucoma
anyway. Eye pressure doesn't tell it all. I have an optometrist
looking after it and she has prescribed drugs for it (to lower
pressure even more). Yes, she bills my insurance company for an eye
exam once a year and vision test (eyeglass prescription and cataracts
once a year.

AFAIK ophthalmologists are surgeons. Optometrists can do everything
less.

On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 17:42:53 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:39:01 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> On 10/13/2022 12:03 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> > On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:58:23 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> > I'm surprised most of those things aren't treated by urologists. OTOH,
>> > I thought a gynecologist might get involved in breast cancer but I
>> > guess that's in the purview of oncologists. The edges of some of these
>> > things gets fuzzy.
>> I used to have an optometrist who did ophthalmology "as sort of a hobby"
>> (I think "hobby" was his word, he said he "kept up" with it). He
>> billed the insurance company (and me) for his exams as though he was an
>> ophthalmologist too. When he got to the point of being on the verge of
>> prescribing medication for me, I informed him that I would visit a
>> credentialed ophthalmologist before that happened. He did not refer me
>> to one or even suggest that I visit one either, which seems a little
>> irresponsible to me now, in retrospect. The pressure in my eyes has
>> been a little high all of my life, so it doesn't alarm me as much as it
>> alerts optometrists (it's the "changes" which are most significant, and
>> most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient). Like it
>> is was said above, the edges of some of these things can get fuzzy (no
>> pun intended).
>
>While there is history of Glaucoma in my family, I have elevated pressures
>but it's not related to Glaucoma. I have thick corneas which tend to make
>the pressures read higher. (My brother has the same "issue".)
>
>re: "most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient"
>
>I have not found that to be the case. Every optometrist I've ever been to
>have put me on a regular Glaucoma testing schedule (field of vision, etc.)
>No one has said "It's just thick corneas, don't worry about it." They factor
>in the few points higher due to the corneas but they don't ignore the family
>history.
>
>In a couple of weeks I'm having cataract surgery. I've reached the point where
>glasses just don't work anymore. The foggy vision, the muted colors, etc. The
>headlight glare from the new LED headlights is becoming a safety issue. I'm
>going above and beyond the basic replacement lenses that insurance covers
>in the hope of eliminating the need for glasses all together. Worst case is I'll
>still need reading glasses for very fine work. I'm hoping and praying for the
>best case.
>
>The thing about going back to "sometimes needing readers" is that you are
>always looking for those damn readers. Just like having multiple tape measures,
>there's never a pair of readers nearby when you need them. When you need
>to wear glasses 24-7, you always know where they are. ;-)
On your head? I've been known to lose glasses. I've been known to walk
out of the house without them. I can see distance OK (not well) and
sometimes don't notice it until I have to see something close.

A couple of weeks ago I was picking up my wife and noticed that I
wasn't wearing my glasses? Huh? I couldn't have been going all day
without them. I went to the gym, where I change glass (wear an old
pair at the gym). I couldn't figure out what happened to them. I
found them. Under my butt. Fortunately, the optometrists tech could
fix them.

On 10/13/2022 8:42 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:39:01 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:

> re: "most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient"
>
> I have not found that to be the case. Every optometrist I've ever been to
> have put me on a regular Glaucoma testing schedule (field of vision, etc.)
> No one has said "It's just thick corneas, don't worry about it."

Yes, I agree. They all keep records. Especially the optometrist I
mentioned. His testing was on the order of $350 per visit. He seemed to
enjoy that he had a patient that made his work slightly more interesting
for him. We would compare pictures of my retina, etc.

>
> In a couple of weeks I'm having cataract surgery. I've reached the point where
> glasses just don't work anymore. The foggy vision, the muted colors, etc. The
> headlight glare from the new LED headlights is becoming a safety issue. I'm
> going above and beyond the basic replacement lenses that insurance covers
> in the hope of eliminating the need for glasses all together. Worst case is I'll
> still need reading glasses for very fine work. I'm hoping and praying for the
> best case.

Please accept my best wishes with your surgery! Each of my parents had
it and they both had outstanding results--and that was several decades
ago. They just had to wear some particularly protective sunglasses for
a few days following the procedure.

On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 10:16:49 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> On 10/13/2022 8:42 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:39:01 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>
> > re: "most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient"
> >
> > I have not found that to be the case. Every optometrist I've ever been to
> > have put me on a regular Glaucoma testing schedule (field of vision, etc.)
> > No one has said "It's just thick corneas, don't worry about it."
> Yes, I agree. They all keep records. Especially the optometrist I
> mentioned. His testing was on the order of $350 per visit. He seemed to
> enjoy that he had a patient that made his work slightly more interesting
> for him. We would compare pictures of my retina, etc.
> >
> > In a couple of weeks I'm having cataract surgery. I've reached the point where
> > glasses just don't work anymore. The foggy vision, the muted colors, etc. The
> > headlight glare from the new LED headlights is becoming a safety issue. I'm
> > going above and beyond the basic replacement lenses that insurance covers
> > in the hope of eliminating the need for glasses all together. Worst case is I'll
> > still need reading glasses for very fine work. I'm hoping and praying for the
> > best case.
> Please accept my best wishes with your surgery! Each of my parents had
> it and they both had outstanding results--and that was several decades
> ago. They just had to wear some particularly protective sunglasses for
> a few days following the procedure.

LMFTFY: procedure*s*

Each eye will be done 3 weeks apart. They do one eye (the non-dominant eye),
then I go back the next day for a follow-up, then another follow-up a week later,
then the other eye 2 weeks after that., then the 2 follow-ups. About a month later,
I go back to my optometrist for a final exam and prescription for glasses if needed.
Hopefully not.

With Covid testing 3 days before each surgery session, I'm looking at 9
appointments over about 8 weeks.

The interesting part will be the 3 weeks between surgeries. One new lens,
one old one. I've been told that they can give me a contact for the "bad" eye
or a clear lens for my current glasses. Since I wear bi-focals, I don't think
a contact will work.

I have a friend who just went through this with the same surgeon and he
went with the clear lens. He said he had a bit of double vision for the first
week but then his brain adjusted and he was fine. After the second eye
was done, he doesn't need glasses for anything, not even reading or threading
a needle.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:09:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 10:16:49 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> On 10/13/2022 8:42 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> > On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:39:01 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>
>> > re: "most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient"
>> >
>> > I have not found that to be the case. Every optometrist I've ever been to
>> > have put me on a regular Glaucoma testing schedule (field of vision, etc.)
>> > No one has said "It's just thick corneas, don't worry about it."
>> Yes, I agree. They all keep records. Especially the optometrist I
>> mentioned. His testing was on the order of $350 per visit. He seemed to
>> enjoy that he had a patient that made his work slightly more interesting
>> for him. We would compare pictures of my retina, etc.
>> >
>> > In a couple of weeks I'm having cataract surgery. I've reached the point where
>> > glasses just don't work anymore. The foggy vision, the muted colors, etc. The
>> > headlight glare from the new LED headlights is becoming a safety issue. I'm
>> > going above and beyond the basic replacement lenses that insurance covers
>> > in the hope of eliminating the need for glasses all together. Worst case is I'll
>> > still need reading glasses for very fine work. I'm hoping and praying for the
>> > best case.
>> Please accept my best wishes with your surgery! Each of my parents had
>> it and they both had outstanding results--and that was several decades
>> ago. They just had to wear some particularly protective sunglasses for
>> a few days following the procedure.
>
>LMFTFY: procedure*s*
>
>Each eye will be done 3 weeks apart. They do one eye (the non-dominant eye),
>then I go back the next day for a follow-up, then another follow-up a week later,
>then the other eye 2 weeks after that., then the 2 follow-ups. About a month later,
>I go back to my optometrist for a final exam and prescription for glasses if needed.
>Hopefully not.
>
>With Covid testing 3 days before each surgery session, I'm looking at 9
>appointments over about 8 weeks.
>
>The interesting part will be the 3 weeks between surgeries. One new lens,
>one old one. I've been told that they can give me a contact for the "bad" eye
>or a clear lens for my current glasses. Since I wear bi-focals, I don't think
>a contact will work.
>
>I have a friend who just went through this with the same surgeon and he
>went with the clear lens. He said he had a bit of double vision for the first
>week but then his brain adjusted and he was fine. After the second eye
>was done, he doesn't need glasses for anything, not even reading or threading
>a needle.

One of the "tricks" they use to get focus at both close and infinity
is to use a different lens in each eye and let the brain figure it
out. I'm not so sure about that, though. It doesn't always work.

On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:52:47 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:09:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 10:16:49 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> >> On 10/13/2022 8:42 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:39:01 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> >>
> >> > re: "most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient"
> >> >
> >> > I have not found that to be the case. Every optometrist I've ever been to
> >> > have put me on a regular Glaucoma testing schedule (field of vision, etc.)
> >> > No one has said "It's just thick corneas, don't worry about it."
> >> Yes, I agree. They all keep records. Especially the optometrist I
> >> mentioned. His testing was on the order of $350 per visit. He seemed to
> >> enjoy that he had a patient that made his work slightly more interesting
> >> for him. We would compare pictures of my retina, etc.
> >> >
> >> > In a couple of weeks I'm having cataract surgery. I've reached the point where
> >> > glasses just don't work anymore. The foggy vision, the muted colors, etc. The
> >> > headlight glare from the new LED headlights is becoming a safety issue. I'm
> >> > going above and beyond the basic replacement lenses that insurance covers
> >> > in the hope of eliminating the need for glasses all together. Worst case is I'll
> >> > still need reading glasses for very fine work. I'm hoping and praying for the
> >> > best case.
> >> Please accept my best wishes with your surgery! Each of my parents had
> >> it and they both had outstanding results--and that was several decades
> >> ago. They just had to wear some particularly protective sunglasses for
> >> a few days following the procedure.
> >
> >LMFTFY: procedure*s*
> >
> >Each eye will be done 3 weeks apart. They do one eye (the non-dominant eye),
> >then I go back the next day for a follow-up, then another follow-up a week later,
> >then the other eye 2 weeks after that., then the 2 follow-ups. About a month later,
> >I go back to my optometrist for a final exam and prescription for glasses if needed.
> >Hopefully not.
> >
> >With Covid testing 3 days before each surgery session, I'm looking at 9
> >appointments over about 8 weeks.
> >
> >The interesting part will be the 3 weeks between surgeries. One new lens,
> >one old one. I've been told that they can give me a contact for the "bad" eye
> >or a clear lens for my current glasses. Since I wear bi-focals, I don't think
> >a contact will work.
> >
> >I have a friend who just went through this with the same surgeon and he
> >went with the clear lens. He said he had a bit of double vision for the first
> >week but then his brain adjusted and he was fine. After the second eye
> >was done, he doesn't need glasses for anything, not even reading or threading
> >a needle.
> One of the "tricks" they use to get focus at both close and infinity
> is to use a different lens in each eye and let the brain figure it
> out. I'm not so sure about that, though. It doesn't always work.

They have newer technology: Multifocal lenses. They use concentric
circles for the various distances and let the brain figure it out from there.

Nothing is perfect, there are pros & cons, YMMV, yada-yada-yada.

<https://www.eyecenterrockies.com/the-pros-and-cons-of-multifocal-intraocular-lenses-iols>

On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 07:56:12 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:52:47 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:09:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 10:16:49 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> >> On 10/13/2022 8:42 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> >> > On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:39:01 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > re: "most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient"
>> >> >
>> >> > I have not found that to be the case. Every optometrist I've ever been to
>> >> > have put me on a regular Glaucoma testing schedule (field of vision, etc.)
>> >> > No one has said "It's just thick corneas, don't worry about it."
>> >> Yes, I agree. They all keep records. Especially the optometrist I
>> >> mentioned. His testing was on the order of $350 per visit. He seemed to
>> >> enjoy that he had a patient that made his work slightly more interesting
>> >> for him. We would compare pictures of my retina, etc.
>> >> >
>> >> > In a couple of weeks I'm having cataract surgery. I've reached the point where
>> >> > glasses just don't work anymore. The foggy vision, the muted colors, etc. The
>> >> > headlight glare from the new LED headlights is becoming a safety issue. I'm
>> >> > going above and beyond the basic replacement lenses that insurance covers
>> >> > in the hope of eliminating the need for glasses all together. Worst case is I'll
>> >> > still need reading glasses for very fine work. I'm hoping and praying for the
>> >> > best case.
>> >> Please accept my best wishes with your surgery! Each of my parents had
>> >> it and they both had outstanding results--and that was several decades
>> >> ago. They just had to wear some particularly protective sunglasses for
>> >> a few days following the procedure.
>> >
>> >LMFTFY: procedure*s*
>> >
>> >Each eye will be done 3 weeks apart. They do one eye (the non-dominant eye),
>> >then I go back the next day for a follow-up, then another follow-up a week later,
>> >then the other eye 2 weeks after that., then the 2 follow-ups. About a month later,
>> >I go back to my optometrist for a final exam and prescription for glasses if needed.
>> >Hopefully not.
>> >
>> >With Covid testing 3 days before each surgery session, I'm looking at 9
>> >appointments over about 8 weeks.
>> >
>> >The interesting part will be the 3 weeks between surgeries. One new lens,
>> >one old one. I've been told that they can give me a contact for the "bad" eye
>> >or a clear lens for my current glasses. Since I wear bi-focals, I don't think
>> >a contact will work.
>> >
>> >I have a friend who just went through this with the same surgeon and he
>> >went with the clear lens. He said he had a bit of double vision for the first
>> >week but then his brain adjusted and he was fine. After the second eye
>> >was done, he doesn't need glasses for anything, not even reading or threading
>> >a needle.
>> One of the "tricks" they use to get focus at both close and infinity
>> is to use a different lens in each eye and let the brain figure it
>> out. I'm not so sure about that, though. It doesn't always work.
>
>They have newer technology: Multifocal lenses. They use concentric
>circles for the various distances and let the brain figure it out from there.
>
>Nothing is perfect, there are pros & cons, YMMV, yada-yada-yada.
>
><https://www.eyecenterrockies.com/the-pros-and-cons-of-multifocal-intraocular-lenses-iols>

It seems like the macula would only focus at infinity and anything
closer would be lower resolution. It would seem weird (not that
different lenses aren't).

They're not cheap, either. Unless I missed something, these are also
needed to correct astigmatism.

I guess I have a couple of years to worry about it.

On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 8:59:04 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 07:56:12 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:52:47 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:09:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> >> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 10:16:49 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> >> >> On 10/13/2022 8:42 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> >> > On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:39:01 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > re: "most doctors don't possess the long term view of the patient"
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have not found that to be the case. Every optometrist I've ever been to
> >> >> > have put me on a regular Glaucoma testing schedule (field of vision, etc.)
> >> >> > No one has said "It's just thick corneas, don't worry about it."
> >> >> Yes, I agree. They all keep records. Especially the optometrist I
> >> >> mentioned. His testing was on the order of $350 per visit. He seemed to
> >> >> enjoy that he had a patient that made his work slightly more interesting
> >> >> for him. We would compare pictures of my retina, etc.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In a couple of weeks I'm having cataract surgery. I've reached the point where
> >> >> > glasses just don't work anymore. The foggy vision, the muted colors, etc. The
> >> >> > headlight glare from the new LED headlights is becoming a safety issue. I'm
> >> >> > going above and beyond the basic replacement lenses that insurance covers
> >> >> > in the hope of eliminating the need for glasses all together. Worst case is I'll
> >> >> > still need reading glasses for very fine work. I'm hoping and praying for the
> >> >> > best case.
> >> >> Please accept my best wishes with your surgery! Each of my parents had
> >> >> it and they both had outstanding results--and that was several decades
> >> >> ago. They just had to wear some particularly protective sunglasses for
> >> >> a few days following the procedure.
> >> >
> >> >LMFTFY: procedure*s*
> >> >
> >> >Each eye will be done 3 weeks apart. They do one eye (the non-dominant eye),
> >> >then I go back the next day for a follow-up, then another follow-up a week later,
> >> >then the other eye 2 weeks after that., then the 2 follow-ups. About a month later,
> >> >I go back to my optometrist for a final exam and prescription for glasses if needed.
> >> >Hopefully not.
> >> >
> >> >With Covid testing 3 days before each surgery session, I'm looking at 9
> >> >appointments over about 8 weeks.
> >> >
> >> >The interesting part will be the 3 weeks between surgeries. One new lens,
> >> >one old one. I've been told that they can give me a contact for the "bad" eye
> >> >or a clear lens for my current glasses. Since I wear bi-focals, I don't think
> >> >a contact will work.
> >> >
> >> >I have a friend who just went through this with the same surgeon and he
> >> >went with the clear lens. He said he had a bit of double vision for the first
> >> >week but then his brain adjusted and he was fine. After the second eye
> >> >was done, he doesn't need glasses for anything, not even reading or threading
> >> >a needle.
> >> One of the "tricks" they use to get focus at both close and infinity
> >> is to use a different lens in each eye and let the brain figure it
> >> out. I'm not so sure about that, though. It doesn't always work.
> >
> >They have newer technology: Multifocal lenses. They use concentric
> >circles for the various distances and let the brain figure it out from there.
> >
> >Nothing is perfect, there are pros & cons, YMMV, yada-yada-yada.
> >
> ><https://www.eyecenterrockies.com/the-pros-and-cons-of-multifocal-intraocular-lenses-iols>
> It seems like the macula would only focus at infinity and anything
> closer would be lower resolution. It would seem weird (not that
> different lenses aren't).
>
> They're not cheap, either. Unless I missed something, these are also
> needed to correct astigmatism.

No, they are not cheap. Over $3.2K per eye after insurance covers the
basic surgery. And I do have astigmatism.

>
> I guess I have a couple of years to worry about it.

I don't have the option of waiting - unless I want to continue with poor
vision and hazardous nighttime driving. Early sunsets are upon us and
most of my driving will be in the dark until spring and I just don't want
the stress anymore. Could I go with the basic surgery and then continue
to deal with glasses? Sure. Do I have the cash available for the surgery.
Sure. My only decision left is this: Accept their free financing and invest
the cash during this down market or just pay for it and be done? The
former probably makes more financial sense.

I trust what they say about the brain adjusting to the concentric lenses
and I trust what my friend - who was in the same situation as me - tells
me: It's well worth the money.