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 by: krw...@notreal.com - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 14:33 UTC

On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 02:45:03 +0000, Ruth
<1e46773fd804c00b8d5234c0aa3ae6de@example.com> wrote:

>I have an old Craftsman 10 inch electronic radial saw. The model number is 113.197250. It is about 40 years old. When I turned it on it started but then it got caught in the kerf and stalled. The Instruction book says to hit the red reset button on top of the motor. I cannot find a reset button. What shall I do?

I don't see a reset button at all. Perhaps there is something in the
motor itself but it doesn't look like my old one, which did have the
reset button.

<https://www.manualslib.com/manual/497496/Craftsman-113-197250.html?page=86#manual>

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 by: hub...@ccanoemail.com - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 15:49 UTC

On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:33:36 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 02:45:03 +0000, Ruth
><1e46773fd804c00b8d5234c0aa3ae6de@example.com> wrote:
>
>>I have an old Craftsman 10 inch electronic radial saw. The model number is 113.197250. It is about 40 years old. When I turned it on it started but then it got caught in the kerf and stalled. The Instruction book says to hit the red reset button on top of the motor. I cannot find a reset button. What shall I do?
>
>I don't see a reset button at all. Perhaps there is something in the
>motor itself but it doesn't look like my old one, which did have the
>reset button.
>
><https://www.manualslib.com/manual/497496/Craftsman-113-197250.html?page=86#manual>
>

Pages 81 - 82 Motor Troubleshooting makes no mention
of a reset button - so there probably isn't one on your model.
John T.

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 by: knuttle - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 17:43 UTC

On 9/1/2022 11:49 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:33:36 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 02:45:03 +0000, Ruth
>> <1e46773fd804c00b8d5234c0aa3ae6de@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have an old Craftsman 10 inch electronic radial saw. The model number is 113.197250. It is about 40 years old. When I turned it on it started but then it got caught in the kerf and stalled. The Instruction book says to hit the red reset button on top of the motor. I cannot find a reset button. What shall I do?
>>
>> I don't see a reset button at all. Perhaps there is something in the
>> motor itself but it doesn't look like my old one, which did have the
>> reset button.
>>
>> <https://www.manualslib.com/manual/497496/Craftsman-113-197250.html?page=86#manual>
>>
>
>
> Pages 81 - 82 Motor Troubleshooting makes no mention
> of a reset button - so there probably isn't one on your model.
> John T.
Just a guess, but if you unplug it and wait for 10 seconds, plug it in
and turn it on it may function as a reset, and start .

There is one other thing you can do when the saw is unplugged, and that
is check if everything rotates freely.

On some of the old Sears saw were here was a switch that was part of he
starting system for the motor. If debris gets into the switch the motor
will not start. FIRST UNPLUG THE MOTOR. On mine there is a cover on
the end of the motor. Remove the cover, and carefully clean the area,
making sure there rare no wood chips in the contacts.

Part of my routine end of project routine is to vacuum out all of the
ports in the motor, to remove any debris that got into the motor during
the project.

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 by: hub...@ccanoemail.com - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 17:53 UTC

On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 13:43:02 -0400, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 9/1/2022 11:49 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:33:36 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 02:45:03 +0000, Ruth
>>> <1e46773fd804c00b8d5234c0aa3ae6de@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have an old Craftsman 10 inch electronic radial saw. The model number is 113.197250. It is about 40 years old. When I turned it on it started but then it got caught in the kerf and stalled. The Instruction book says to hit the red reset button on top of the motor. I cannot find a reset button. What shall I do?
>>>
>>> I don't see a reset button at all. Perhaps there is something in the
>>> motor itself but it doesn't look like my old one, which did have the
>>> reset button.
>>>
>>> <https://www.manualslib.com/manual/497496/Craftsman-113-197250.html?page=86#manual>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Pages 81 - 82 Motor Troubleshooting makes no mention
>> of a reset button - so there probably isn't one on your model.
>> John T.
>Just a guess, but if you unplug it and wait for 10 seconds, plug it in
>and turn it on it may function as a reset, and start .
>
>There is one other thing you can do when the saw is unplugged, and that
>is check if everything rotates freely.
>
>On some of the old Sears saw were here was a switch that was part of he
>starting system for the motor. If debris gets into the switch the motor
>will not start. FIRST UNPLUG THE MOTOR. On mine there is a cover on
>the end of the motor. Remove the cover, and carefully clean the area,
>making sure there rare no wood chips in the contacts.
>
>Part of my routine end of project routine is to vacuum out all of the
>ports in the motor, to remove any debris that got into the motor during
>the project.

On my old Craftsman RAS, when the centrifugal capacitor start
switch was stuck - the saw would grunt & make a bad noise as
it tried - but failed - to start rotating.
If I'm reading this OP's post correctly - he has a dead motor <?>
John T.

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 by: knuttle - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 19:17 UTC

On 9/1/2022 1:43 PM, knuttle wrote:
> On 9/1/2022 11:49 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:33:36 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 02:45:03 +0000, Ruth
>>> <1e46773fd804c00b8d5234c0aa3ae6de@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have an old Craftsman 10 inch electronic radial saw. The model
>>>> number is 113.197250. It is about 40 years old. When I turned it on
>>>> it started but then it got caught in the kerf  and stalled. The
>>>> Instruction book says to hit the red reset button on top of the
>>>> motor. I cannot find a reset button. What shall I do?
>>>
>>> I don't see a reset button at all.  Perhaps there is something in the
>>> motor itself but it doesn't look like my old one, which did have the
>>> reset button.
>>>
>>> <https://www.manualslib.com/manual/497496/Craftsman-113-197250.html?page=86#manual>
>>>
>>
>>
>>    Pages  81 - 82  Motor Troubleshooting  makes no mention
>> of a  reset button  -   so there probably isn't one on your model.
>>     John T.
> Just a guess, but if you unplug it and wait for 10 seconds, plug it in
> and turn it on it may function as a reset, and start .
>
> There is one other thing you can do when the saw is unplugged, and that
> is check if everything rotates freely.
>
> On some of the old Sears saw were here was a switch that was part of he
> starting system for the motor.  If debris gets into the switch the motor
> will not start.  FIRST UNPLUG THE MOTOR.  On mine there is a cover on
> the end of the motor.  Remove the cover, and carefully clean the area,
> making sure there rare no wood chips in the contacts.
>
> Part of my routine end of project routine is to vacuum out all of the
> ports in the motor, to remove any debris that got into the motor during
> the project.
>
While it is intimidating to start tearing into an electric motor as I
described above it is quite simple to clean out.
If it dead as hubops said, what is more economical 15 minutes removing
the cover and cleaning the switch to make the repair or $200 for a new
motor.

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 by: knuttle - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 19:18 UTC

On 9/1/2022 1:43 PM, knuttle wrote:
> On 9/1/2022 11:49 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:33:36 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 02:45:03 +0000, Ruth
>>> <1e46773fd804c00b8d5234c0aa3ae6de@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have an old Craftsman 10 inch electronic radial saw. The model
>>>> number is 113.197250. It is about 40 years old. When I turned it on
>>>> it started but then it got caught in the kerf  and stalled. The
>>>> Instruction book says to hit the red reset button on top of the
>>>> motor. I cannot find a reset button. What shall I do?
>>>
>>> I don't see a reset button at all.  Perhaps there is something in the
>>> motor itself but it doesn't look like my old one, which did have the
>>> reset button.
>>>
>>> <https://www.manualslib.com/manual/497496/Craftsman-113-197250.html?page=86#manual>
>>>
>>
>>
>>    Pages  81 - 82  Motor Troubleshooting  makes no mention
>> of a  reset button  -   so there probably isn't one on your model.
>>     John T.
> Just a guess, but if you unplug it and wait for 10 seconds, plug it in
> and turn it on it may function as a reset, and start .
>
> There is one other thing you can do when the saw is unplugged, and that
> is check if everything rotates freely.
>
> On some of the old Sears saw were here was a switch that was part of he
> starting system for the motor.  If debris gets into the switch the motor
> will not start.  FIRST UNPLUG THE MOTOR.  On mine there is a cover on
> the end of the motor.  Remove the cover, and carefully clean the area,
> making sure there rare no wood chips in the contacts.
>
> Part of my routine end of project routine is to vacuum out all of the
> ports in the motor, to remove any debris that got into the motor during
> the project.
>
While it is intimidating to start tearing into an electric motor as I
described above it is quite simple to clean out. If you have an air
pressure source you may also try to blow the area clean.
If it dead as hubops said, what is more economical 15 minutes removing
the cover and cleaning the switch to make the repair or $200 for a new
motor.

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 by: hub...@ccanoemail.com - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 19:45 UTC

>
>If it dead as hubops said, what is more economical 15 minutes removing
>the cover and cleaning the switch to make the repair or $200 for a new
>motor.
>

Dead - as in needing a reset / refuse in the electrical supply.
..... not dead as in totally burnt out and needing replacement.
John T.

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 by: Markem618 - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 22:15 UTC

On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 15:45:55 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>
>>
>>If it dead as hubops said, what is more economical 15 minutes removing
>>the cover and cleaning the switch to make the repair or $200 for a new
>>motor.
>>
>
> Dead - as in needing a reset / refuse in the electrical supply.
>.... not dead as in totally burnt out and needing replacement.
> John T.

Do not know if Emerson has stock of that model left, but that is
likely to be the only source that would have a direct replacement.

Ten years back I replace the motor on the Craftsman RAS, cost was
about $80 plus shipping. Inflation has probably increased that a tad.

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On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 17:15:25 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
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>On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 15:45:55 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>If it dead as hubops said, what is more economical 15 minutes removing
>>>the cover and cleaning the switch to make the repair or $200 for a new
>>>motor.
>>>
>>
>> Dead - as in needing a reset / refuse in the electrical supply.
>>.... not dead as in totally burnt out and needing replacement.
>> John T.
>
>Do not know if Emerson has stock of that model left, but that is
>likely to be the only source that would have a direct replacement.
>
>Ten years back I replace the motor on the Craftsman RAS, cost was
>about $80 plus shipping. Inflation has probably increased that a tad.

For $50 you can buy an entire saw, and a big kiss from the seller's
wife.

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>>
>>Ten years back I replace the motor on the Craftsman RAS, cost was
>>about $80 plus shipping. Inflation has probably increased that a tad.
>
>For $50 you can buy an entire saw, and a big kiss from the seller's
>wife.

I got $ 300. for mine a few years ago .. but I had to throw in
a table saw, band saw, and a big old disk/drum sander
to sweeten the deal. ;-)
John T.

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krw@notreal.com writes:
>On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 17:15:25 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 15:45:55 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>If it dead as hubops said, what is more economical 15 minutes removing
>>>>the cover and cleaning the switch to make the repair or $200 for a new
>>>>motor.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dead - as in needing a reset / refuse in the electrical supply.
>>>.... not dead as in totally burnt out and needing replacement.
>>> John T.
>>
>>Do not know if Emerson has stock of that model left, but that is
>>likely to be the only source that would have a direct replacement.
>>
>>Ten years back I replace the motor on the Craftsman RAS, cost was
>>about $80 plus shipping. Inflation has probably increased that a tad.
>
>For $50 you can buy an entire saw, and a big kiss from the seller's
>wife.

Last time I stopped by the Habitat Re store, they had two craftsman
RAS in stock, for well less than a c-note.

Picked up a bunch of handy boxes and octagon boxes for a couple of bucks.

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