On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > >
> >
> > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> >
> > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> >
> > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> >
> > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX. Homer's parents are buried there.
> >
> > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street..
> >
> > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc.culture..china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> >
> > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > rst9...@yahoo.com
> >
> > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> >
> > Rusty Wyse
> > Resty Wyseman
> >
> >
> > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> >
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> >
> >
> > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > my things from "home" to California.
> > >
> > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital. My brother in
> > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > or given away without telling me.
> > >
> > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > enough to care.
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > ------------
> > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > ---------------
> > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > > ********************************
> > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > >
> > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > >
> > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history.
> > > >
> > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > >
> > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > >
> > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > >
> > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > >
> > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > >
> > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > >
> > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
> > > >
> > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > >
> > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > >
> > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > >
> > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > >
> > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > >
> > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > >
> > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > >
> > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.

My father is Hoover Mar. At age 13, he came over from the Hom Hin Lay village in China to the US around 1938 as a paper son to Mar Teung. Mar Teung was a nephew of Mar Kim. After Mar Teung picked up Hoover Mar at Angel Island, he dropped him off with Tony Mar, who took him to Safford AZ where he worked at the Star Cafe restaurant. Hoover worked in Safford AZ until he left to go work with Ben in Junction City KS around 1953. In 1954, Hoover moved down to work at Mar's Barbecue in Wichita KS, which then later expanded to become Mar's Garden Restaurant. Hoover bought Mar's Garden Restaurant from Young Mar and Wah Mar in 1965 and owned and operated it with his business partner Sam Gee until 1975, when Hoover took over the restaurant completely. Hoover retired in 1991 and passed away in 2007.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:52:58 AM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> > I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > > >
> > >
> > > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > >
> > > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> > >
> > > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> > >
> > > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX.. Homer's parents are buried there.
> > >
> > > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street.
> > >
> > > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc.culture.china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> > >
> > > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > > rst9...@yahoo.com
> > >
> > > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> > >
> > > Rusty Wyse
> > > Resty Wyseman
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> > >
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > > my things from "home" to California.
> > > >
> > > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital. My brother in
> > > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > > or given away without telling me.
> > > >
> > > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > > enough to care.
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > > ------------
> > > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > ********************************
> > > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history..
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > > >
> > > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > >
> > > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
>
> My father is Hoover Mar.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:43:31 AM UTC-6, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:52:58 AM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> > > I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > >
> > > > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> > > >
> > > > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> > > >
> > > > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX. Homer's parents are buried there.
> > > >
> > > > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street.
> > > >
> > > > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc.culture.china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> > > >
> > > > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > > > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > > > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > > > rst9...@yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> > > >
> > > > Rusty Wyse
> > > > Resty Wyseman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > > > my things from "home" to California.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital. My brother in
> > > > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > > > or given away without telling me.
> > > > >
> > > > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > > > enough to care.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > > > ------------
> > > > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > ********************************
> > > > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
> >
> > My father is Hoover Mar.
> I attended your father's wedding in China. The last time I saw him was in Safford, Arizona around the mid-1950's when he came to visit. I remember your father was a very handsome man. I know your family background if you care to know... email me at: yale...@gmail.com
> > At age 13, he came over from the Hom Hin Lay village in China to the US around 1938 as a paper son to Mar Teung. Mar Teung was a nephew of Mar Kim.. After Mar Teung picked up Hoover Mar at Angel Island, he dropped him off with Tony Mar,
> Tony Mar. my father...
> > who took him to Safford AZ where he worked at the Star Cafe restaurant.
> Me, too... until I went to college...
> > Hoover worked in Safford AZ
> I came to the U.S. in 1949, and to Safford, AZ, in December, 1949, Hoover wasn't there... He apparently had gone somewhere else...
> > until he left to go work with Ben in Junction City KS around 1953.
> No, he left Safford before I came to the U.S. in 1949...
> > In 1954, Hoover moved down to work at Mar's Barbecue in Wichita KS, which then later expanded to become Mar's Garden Restaurant. Hoover bought Mar's Garden Restaurant from Young Mar and Wah Mar in 1965 and owned and operated it with his business partner Sam Gee until 1975, when Hoover took over the restaurant completely. Hoover retired in 1991 and passed away in 2007.
> I don't know any of these...
> I started working at U.S. Naval Weapons Research Center at China Lake, California in 1962...
> >
> > I remember traveling up to Junction City KS with my parents to visit Ben and his wife. We would also visit with Yim Toy Mah and his family, who owned and operated the Circle Restaurant, also in Junction City KS.
> I have never been to Junction City, never been to Kansas... I haven't seen Uncle Ben or his family since the days in China...
> >
> > I would be interested in finding out more from other relatives of Tony and Ben, as well as anyone related to Mar Teung!
> I don't know Mar Teung, but I can tell you anything you want to know about Tony's family. Some about Ben's family... I know general information concerning your family...
> email me at:
> yale...@gmail.com
> We have a lot to talk about...

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:02:05 PM UTC-6, John Mar wrote:
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:43:31 AM UTC-6, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:52:58 AM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> > > > I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> > > > >
> > > > > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX. Homer's parents are buried there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street.
> > > > >
> > > > > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc.culture.china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> > > > >
> > > > > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > > > > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > > > > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > > > > rst9...@yahoo.com
> > > > >
> > > > > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> > > > >
> > > > > Rusty Wyse
> > > > > Resty Wyseman
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > > > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > > > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > > > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > > > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > > > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > > > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > > > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > > > > my things from "home" to California.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital. My brother in
> > > > > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > > > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > > > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > > > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > > > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > > > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > > > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > > > > or given away without telling me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > > > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > > > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > > > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > > > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > > > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > > > > enough to care.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > > > > ------------
> > > > > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > > ********************************
> > > > > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc.. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
> > >
> > > My father is Hoover Mar.
> > I attended your father's wedding in China. The last time I saw him was in Safford, Arizona around the mid-1950's when he came to visit. I remember your father was a very handsome man. I know your family background if you care to know... email me at: yale...@gmail.com
> > > At age 13, he came over from the Hom Hin Lay village in China to the US around 1938 as a paper son to Mar Teung. Mar Teung was a nephew of Mar Kim. After Mar Teung picked up Hoover Mar at Angel Island, he dropped him off with Tony Mar,
> > Tony Mar. my father...
> > > who took him to Safford AZ where he worked at the Star Cafe restaurant.
> > Me, too... until I went to college...
> > > Hoover worked in Safford AZ
> > I came to the U.S. in 1949, and to Safford, AZ, in December, 1949, Hoover wasn't there... He apparently had gone somewhere else...
> > > until he left to go work with Ben in Junction City KS around 1953.
> > No, he left Safford before I came to the U.S. in 1949...
> > > In 1954, Hoover moved down to work at Mar's Barbecue in Wichita KS, which then later expanded to become Mar's Garden Restaurant. Hoover bought Mar's Garden Restaurant from Young Mar and Wah Mar in 1965 and owned and operated it with his business partner Sam Gee until 1975, when Hoover took over the restaurant completely. Hoover retired in 1991 and passed away in 2007..
> > I don't know any of these...
> > I started working at U.S. Naval Weapons Research Center at China Lake, California in 1962...
> > >
> > > I remember traveling up to Junction City KS with my parents to visit Ben and his wife. We would also visit with Yim Toy Mah and his family, who owned and operated the Circle Restaurant, also in Junction City KS.
> > I have never been to Junction City, never been to Kansas... I haven't seen Uncle Ben or his family since the days in China...
> > >
> > > I would be interested in finding out more from other relatives of Tony and Ben, as well as anyone related to Mar Teung!
> > I don't know Mar Teung, but I can tell you anything you want to know about Tony's family. Some about Ben's family... I know general information concerning your family...
> > email me at:
> > yale...@gmail.com
> > We have a lot to talk about...
> Sorry, I'm not able to see your email address in the post, and when I click on it nothing happens. Perhaps you can send me an email directly? johng....@gmail.com.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 1:03:20 PM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:02:05 PM UTC-6, John Mar wrote:
> > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:43:31 AM UTC-6, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:52:58 AM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> > > > > I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX. Homer's parents are buried there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc..culture.china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > rst9...@yahoo.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rusty Wyse
> > > > > > Resty Wyseman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0...@yahoo..com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > > > > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > > > > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > > > > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > > > > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > > > > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > > > > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > > > > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > > > > > my things from "home" to California.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital. My brother in
> > > > > > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > > > > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > > > > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > > > > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > > > > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > > > > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > > > > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > > > > > or given away without telling me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > > > > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > > > > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > > > > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > > > > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > > > > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > > > > > enough to care.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > > > > > ------------
> > > > > > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > > > ********************************
> > > > > > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
> > > >
> > > > My father is Hoover Mar.
> > > I attended your father's wedding in China. The last time I saw him was in Safford, Arizona around the mid-1950's when he came to visit. I remember your father was a very handsome man. I know your family background if you care to know... email me at: yale...@gmail.com
> > > > At age 13, he came over from the Hom Hin Lay village in China to the US around 1938 as a paper son to Mar Teung. Mar Teung was a nephew of Mar Kim. After Mar Teung picked up Hoover Mar at Angel Island, he dropped him off with Tony Mar,
> > > Tony Mar. my father...
> > > > who took him to Safford AZ where he worked at the Star Cafe restaurant.
> > > Me, too... until I went to college...
> > > > Hoover worked in Safford AZ
> > > I came to the U.S. in 1949, and to Safford, AZ, in December, 1949, Hoover wasn't there... He apparently had gone somewhere else...
> > > > until he left to go work with Ben in Junction City KS around 1953.
> > > No, he left Safford before I came to the U.S. in 1949...
> > > > In 1954, Hoover moved down to work at Mar's Barbecue in Wichita KS, which then later expanded to become Mar's Garden Restaurant. Hoover bought Mar's Garden Restaurant from Young Mar and Wah Mar in 1965 and owned and operated it with his business partner Sam Gee until 1975, when Hoover took over the restaurant completely. Hoover retired in 1991 and passed away in 2007.
> > > I don't know any of these...
> > > I started working at U.S. Naval Weapons Research Center at China Lake, California in 1962...
> > > >
> > > > I remember traveling up to Junction City KS with my parents to visit Ben and his wife. We would also visit with Yim Toy Mah and his family, who owned and operated the Circle Restaurant, also in Junction City KS.
> > > I have never been to Junction City, never been to Kansas... I haven't seen Uncle Ben or his family since the days in China...
> > > >
> > > > I would be interested in finding out more from other relatives of Tony and Ben, as well as anyone related to Mar Teung!
> > > I don't know Mar Teung, but I can tell you anything you want to know about Tony's family. Some about Ben's family... I know general information concerning your family...
> > > email me at:
> > > yale...@gmail.com
> > > We have a lot to talk about...
> > Sorry, I'm not able to see your email address in the post, and when I click on it nothing happens. Perhaps you can send me an email directly? johng...@gmail.com.
> I guess that doesn't work either. The first part of the email is johngmar60.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:44:01 PM UTC-8, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 1:03:20 PM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:02:05 PM UTC-6, John Mar wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:43:31 AM UTC-6, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:52:58 AM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> > > > > > I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX. Homer's parents are buried there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc.culture.china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > rst9...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rusty Wyse
> > > > > > > Resty Wyseman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > > > > > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > > > > > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > > > > > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > > > > > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > > > > > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > > > > > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > > > > > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > > > > > > my things from "home" to California.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital. My brother in
> > > > > > > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > > > > > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > > > > > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > > > > > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > > > > > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > > > > > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > > > > > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > > > > > > or given away without telling me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > > > > > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > > > > > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > > > > > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > > > > > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > > > > > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > > > > > > enough to care.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > > > > > > ------------
> > > > > > > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > > > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > > > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > > > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > > > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > > > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > > > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > > > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > > > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > > > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > > > > ********************************
> > > > > > > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
> > > > >
> > > > > My father is Hoover Mar.
> > > > I attended your father's wedding in China. The last time I saw him was in Safford, Arizona around the mid-1950's when he came to visit. I remember your father was a very handsome man. I know your family background if you care to know... email me at: yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > At age 13, he came over from the Hom Hin Lay village in China to the US around 1938 as a paper son to Mar Teung. Mar Teung was a nephew of Mar Kim. After Mar Teung picked up Hoover Mar at Angel Island, he dropped him off with Tony Mar,
> > > > Tony Mar. my father...
> > > > > who took him to Safford AZ where he worked at the Star Cafe restaurant.
> > > > Me, too... until I went to college...
> > > > > Hoover worked in Safford AZ
> > > > I came to the U.S. in 1949, and to Safford, AZ, in December, 1949, Hoover wasn't there... He apparently had gone somewhere else...
> > > > > until he left to go work with Ben in Junction City KS around 1953..
> > > > No, he left Safford before I came to the U.S. in 1949...
> > > > > In 1954, Hoover moved down to work at Mar's Barbecue in Wichita KS, which then later expanded to become Mar's Garden Restaurant. Hoover bought Mar's Garden Restaurant from Young Mar and Wah Mar in 1965 and owned and operated it with his business partner Sam Gee until 1975, when Hoover took over the restaurant completely. Hoover retired in 1991 and passed away in 2007.
> > > > I don't know any of these...
> > > > I started working at U.S. Naval Weapons Research Center at China Lake, California in 1962...
> > > > >
> > > > > I remember traveling up to Junction City KS with my parents to visit Ben and his wife. We would also visit with Yim Toy Mah and his family, who owned and operated the Circle Restaurant, also in Junction City KS.
> > > > I have never been to Junction City, never been to Kansas... I haven't seen Uncle Ben or his family since the days in China...
> > > > >
> > > > > I would be interested in finding out more from other relatives of Tony and Ben, as well as anyone related to Mar Teung!
> > > > I don't know Mar Teung, but I can tell you anything you want to know about Tony's family. Some about Ben's family... I know general information concerning your family...
> > > > email me at:
> > > > yale...@gmail.com
> > > > We have a lot to talk about...
> > > Sorry, I'm not able to see your email address in the post, and when I click on it nothing happens. Perhaps you can send me an email directly? johng...@gmail.com.
> > I guess that doesn't work either. The first part of the email is johngmar60.
> Please check your email address... johngmar60 @ gmail.com
> to continue our conversation

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:11:39 PM UTC-7, Chris M. wrote:
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:44:01 PM UTC-8, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 1:03:20 PM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:02:05 PM UTC-6, John Mar wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:43:31 AM UTC-6, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:52:58 AM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> > > > > > > I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX. Homer's parents are buried there.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc.culture.china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > rst9...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rusty Wyse
> > > > > > > > Resty Wyseman
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > > > > > > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > > > > > > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > > > > > > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > > > > > > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > > > > > > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > > > > > > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > > > > > > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > > > > > > > my things from "home" to California.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital. My brother in
> > > > > > > > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > > > > > > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > > > > > > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > > > > > > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > > > > > > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > > > > > > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > > > > > > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > > > > > > > or given away without telling me.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > > > > > > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > > > > > > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > > > > > > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > > > > > > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > > > > > > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > > > > > > > enough to care.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > > > > > > > ------------
> > > > > > > > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > > > > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > > > > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > > > > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > > > > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > > > > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > > > > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > > > > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > > > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > > > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > > > > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > > > > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > > > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > ********************************
> > > > > > > > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My father is Hoover Mar.
> > > > > I attended your father's wedding in China. The last time I saw him was in Safford, Arizona around the mid-1950's when he came to visit. I remember your father was a very handsome man. I know your family background if you care to know... email me at: yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > > At age 13, he came over from the Hom Hin Lay village in China to the US around 1938 as a paper son to Mar Teung. Mar Teung was a nephew of Mar Kim. After Mar Teung picked up Hoover Mar at Angel Island, he dropped him off with Tony Mar,
> > > > > Tony Mar. my father...
> > > > > > who took him to Safford AZ where he worked at the Star Cafe restaurant.
> > > > > Me, too... until I went to college...
> > > > > > Hoover worked in Safford AZ
> > > > > I came to the U.S. in 1949, and to Safford, AZ, in December, 1949, Hoover wasn't there... He apparently had gone somewhere else...
> > > > > > until he left to go work with Ben in Junction City KS around 1953.
> > > > > No, he left Safford before I came to the U.S. in 1949...
> > > > > > In 1954, Hoover moved down to work at Mar's Barbecue in Wichita KS, which then later expanded to become Mar's Garden Restaurant. Hoover bought Mar's Garden Restaurant from Young Mar and Wah Mar in 1965 and owned and operated it with his business partner Sam Gee until 1975, when Hoover took over the restaurant completely. Hoover retired in 1991 and passed away in 2007.
> > > > > I don't know any of these...
> > > > > I started working at U.S. Naval Weapons Research Center at China Lake, California in 1962...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I remember traveling up to Junction City KS with my parents to visit Ben and his wife. We would also visit with Yim Toy Mah and his family, who owned and operated the Circle Restaurant, also in Junction City KS.
> > > > > I have never been to Junction City, never been to Kansas... I haven't seen Uncle Ben or his family since the days in China...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would be interested in finding out more from other relatives of Tony and Ben, as well as anyone related to Mar Teung!
> > > > > I don't know Mar Teung, but I can tell you anything you want to know about Tony's family. Some about Ben's family... I know general information concerning your family...
> > > > > email me at:
> > > > > yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > We have a lot to talk about...
> > > > Sorry, I'm not able to see your email address in the post, and when I click on it nothing happens. Perhaps you can send me an email directly? johng...@gmail.com.
> > > I guess that doesn't work either. The first part of the email is johngmar60.
> > Please check your email address... johngmar60 @ gmail.com
> > to continue our conversation
Hello: Is anyone still active on this thread? I am Sam Kee's great-great-granddaughter. Mar Moon was my grandfather. I would love to learn more if anyone is still responding to this thread.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:18:05 PM UTC-7, Chris M. wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:11:39 PM UTC-7, Chris M. wrote:
> > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:44:01 PM UTC-8, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 1:03:20 PM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:02:05 PM UTC-6, John Mar wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:43:31 AM UTC-6, rst88...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:52:58 AM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> > > > > > > > I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX. Homer's parents are buried there.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc.culture.china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > rst9...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rusty Wyse
> > > > > > > > > Resty Wyseman
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > > > > > > > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > > > > > > > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > > > > > > > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > > > > > > > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > > > > > > > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > > > > > > > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > > > > > > > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > > > > > > > > my things from "home" to California.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital. My brother in
> > > > > > > > > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > > > > > > > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > > > > > > > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > > > > > > > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > > > > > > > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > > > > > > > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > > > > > > > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > > > > > > > > or given away without telling me.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > > > > > > > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > > > > > > > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > > > > > > > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > > > > > > > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > > > > > > > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > > > > > > > > enough to care.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk.....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > > > > > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > > > > > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > > > > > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > > > > > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > > > > > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > > > > > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > > > > > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T.. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My father is Hoover Mar.
> > > > > > I attended your father's wedding in China. The last time I saw him was in Safford, Arizona around the mid-1950's when he came to visit. I remember your father was a very handsome man. I know your family background if you care to know... email me at: yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > At age 13, he came over from the Hom Hin Lay village in China to the US around 1938 as a paper son to Mar Teung. Mar Teung was a nephew of Mar Kim. After Mar Teung picked up Hoover Mar at Angel Island, he dropped him off with Tony Mar,
> > > > > > Tony Mar. my father...
> > > > > > > who took him to Safford AZ where he worked at the Star Cafe restaurant.
> > > > > > Me, too... until I went to college...
> > > > > > > Hoover worked in Safford AZ
> > > > > > I came to the U.S. in 1949, and to Safford, AZ, in December, 1949, Hoover wasn't there... He apparently had gone somewhere else...
> > > > > > > until he left to go work with Ben in Junction City KS around 1953.
> > > > > > No, he left Safford before I came to the U.S. in 1949...
> > > > > > > In 1954, Hoover moved down to work at Mar's Barbecue in Wichita KS, which then later expanded to become Mar's Garden Restaurant. Hoover bought Mar's Garden Restaurant from Young Mar and Wah Mar in 1965 and owned and operated it with his business partner Sam Gee until 1975, when Hoover took over the restaurant completely. Hoover retired in 1991 and passed away in 2007.
> > > > > > I don't know any of these...
> > > > > > I started working at U.S. Naval Weapons Research Center at China Lake, California in 1962...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I remember traveling up to Junction City KS with my parents to visit Ben and his wife. We would also visit with Yim Toy Mah and his family, who owned and operated the Circle Restaurant, also in Junction City KS.
> > > > > > I have never been to Junction City, never been to Kansas... I haven't seen Uncle Ben or his family since the days in China...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would be interested in finding out more from other relatives of Tony and Ben, as well as anyone related to Mar Teung!
> > > > > > I don't know Mar Teung, but I can tell you anything you want to know about Tony's family. Some about Ben's family... I know general information concerning your family...
> > > > > > email me at:
> > > > > > yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > > We have a lot to talk about...
> > > > > Sorry, I'm not able to see your email address in the post, and when I click on it nothing happens. Perhaps you can send me an email directly? johng...@gmail.com.
> > > > I guess that doesn't work either. The first part of the email is johngmar60.
> > > Please check your email address... johngmar60 @ gmail.com
> > > to continue our conversation
> Hello: Is anyone still active on this thread? I am Sam Kee's great-great-granddaughter. Mar Moon was my grandfather. I would love to learn more if anyone is still responding to this thread.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:59:48 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:18:05 PM UTC-7, Chris M. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:11:39 PM UTC-7, Chris M. wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:44:01 PM UTC-8, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 1:03:20 PM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:02:05 PM UTC-6, John Mar wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:43:31 AM UTC-6, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:52:58 AM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> > > > > > > > > I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk.....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX. Homer's parents are buried there.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc.culture.china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > rst9...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Rusty Wyse
> > > > > > > > > > Resty Wyseman
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0....@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > > > > > > > > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > > > > > > > > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > > > > > > > > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > > > > > > > > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > > > > > > > > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > > > > > > > > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > > > > > > > > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > > > > > > > > > my things from "home" to California.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital.. My brother in
> > > > > > > > > > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > > > > > > > > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > > > > > > > > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > > > > > > > > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > > > > > > > > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > > > > > > > > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > > > > > > > > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > > > > > > > > > or given away without telling me.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > > > > > > > > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > > > > > > > > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > > > > > > > > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > > > > > > > > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > > > > > > > > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > > > > > > > > > enough to care.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk.....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My father is Hoover Mar.
> > > > > > > I attended your father's wedding in China. The last time I saw him was in Safford, Arizona around the mid-1950's when he came to visit. I remember your father was a very handsome man. I know your family background if you care to know... email me at: yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > At age 13, he came over from the Hom Hin Lay village in China to the US around 1938 as a paper son to Mar Teung. Mar Teung was a nephew of Mar Kim. After Mar Teung picked up Hoover Mar at Angel Island, he dropped him off with Tony Mar,
> > > > > > > Tony Mar. my father...
> > > > > > > > who took him to Safford AZ where he worked at the Star Cafe restaurant.
> > > > > > > Me, too... until I went to college...
> > > > > > > > Hoover worked in Safford AZ
> > > > > > > I came to the U.S. in 1949, and to Safford, AZ, in December, 1949, Hoover wasn't there... He apparently had gone somewhere else...
> > > > > > > > until he left to go work with Ben in Junction City KS around 1953.
> > > > > > > No, he left Safford before I came to the U.S. in 1949...
> > > > > > > > In 1954, Hoover moved down to work at Mar's Barbecue in Wichita KS, which then later expanded to become Mar's Garden Restaurant. Hoover bought Mar's Garden Restaurant from Young Mar and Wah Mar in 1965 and owned and operated it with his business partner Sam Gee until 1975, when Hoover took over the restaurant completely. Hoover retired in 1991 and passed away in 2007.
> > > > > > > I don't know any of these...
> > > > > > > I started working at U.S. Naval Weapons Research Center at China Lake, California in 1962...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I remember traveling up to Junction City KS with my parents to visit Ben and his wife. We would also visit with Yim Toy Mah and his family, who owned and operated the Circle Restaurant, also in Junction City KS.
> > > > > > > I have never been to Junction City, never been to Kansas... I haven't seen Uncle Ben or his family since the days in China...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would be interested in finding out more from other relatives of Tony and Ben, as well as anyone related to Mar Teung!
> > > > > > > I don't know Mar Teung, but I can tell you anything you want to know about Tony's family. Some about Ben's family... I know general information concerning your family...
> > > > > > > email me at:
> > > > > > > yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > We have a lot to talk about...
> > > > > > Sorry, I'm not able to see your email address in the post, and when I click on it nothing happens. Perhaps you can send me an email directly? johng...@gmail.com.
> > > > > I guess that doesn't work either. The first part of the email is johngmar60.
> > > > Please check your email address... johngmar60 @ gmail.com
> > > > to continue our conversation
> > Hello: Is anyone still active on this thread? I am Sam Kee's great-great-granddaughter. Mar Moon was my grandfather. I would love to learn more if anyone is still responding to this thread.
> Yale Mar has been around recently, but not in the last few weeks.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:18:05 PM UTC-7, Chris M. wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:11:39 PM UTC-7, Chris M. wrote:
> > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:44:01 PM UTC-8, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 1:03:20 PM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:02:05 PM UTC-6, John Mar wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:43:31 AM UTC-6, rst88...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:52:58 AM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> > > > > > > > I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX. Homer's parents are buried there.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc.culture.china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > rst9...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rusty Wyse
> > > > > > > > > Resty Wyseman
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > > > > > > > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > > > > > > > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > > > > > > > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > > > > > > > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > > > > > > > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > > > > > > > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > > > > > > > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > > > > > > > > my things from "home" to California.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital. My brother in
> > > > > > > > > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > > > > > > > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > > > > > > > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > > > > > > > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > > > > > > > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > > > > > > > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > > > > > > > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > > > > > > > > or given away without telling me.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > > > > > > > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > > > > > > > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > > > > > > > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > > > > > > > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > > > > > > > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > > > > > > > > enough to care.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk.....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > > > > > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > > > > > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > > > > > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > > > > > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > > > > > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > > > > > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > > > > > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T.. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My father is Hoover Mar.
> > > > > > I attended your father's wedding in China. The last time I saw him was in Safford, Arizona around the mid-1950's when he came to visit. I remember your father was a very handsome man. I know your family background if you care to know... email me at: yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > At age 13, he came over from the Hom Hin Lay village in China to the US around 1938 as a paper son to Mar Teung. Mar Teung was a nephew of Mar Kim. After Mar Teung picked up Hoover Mar at Angel Island, he dropped him off with Tony Mar,
> > > > > > Tony Mar. my father...
> > > > > > > who took him to Safford AZ where he worked at the Star Cafe restaurant.
> > > > > > Me, too... until I went to college...
> > > > > > > Hoover worked in Safford AZ
> > > > > > I came to the U.S. in 1949, and to Safford, AZ, in December, 1949, Hoover wasn't there... He apparently had gone somewhere else...
> > > > > > > until he left to go work with Ben in Junction City KS around 1953.
> > > > > > No, he left Safford before I came to the U.S. in 1949...
> > > > > > > In 1954, Hoover moved down to work at Mar's Barbecue in Wichita KS, which then later expanded to become Mar's Garden Restaurant. Hoover bought Mar's Garden Restaurant from Young Mar and Wah Mar in 1965 and owned and operated it with his business partner Sam Gee until 1975, when Hoover took over the restaurant completely. Hoover retired in 1991 and passed away in 2007.
> > > > > > I don't know any of these...
> > > > > > I started working at U.S. Naval Weapons Research Center at China Lake, California in 1962...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I remember traveling up to Junction City KS with my parents to visit Ben and his wife. We would also visit with Yim Toy Mah and his family, who owned and operated the Circle Restaurant, also in Junction City KS.
> > > > > > I have never been to Junction City, never been to Kansas... I haven't seen Uncle Ben or his family since the days in China...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would be interested in finding out more from other relatives of Tony and Ben, as well as anyone related to Mar Teung!
> > > > > > I don't know Mar Teung, but I can tell you anything you want to know about Tony's family. Some about Ben's family... I know general information concerning your family...
> > > > > > email me at:
> > > > > > yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > > We have a lot to talk about...
> > > > > Sorry, I'm not able to see your email address in the post, and when I click on it nothing happens. Perhaps you can send me an email directly? johng...@gmail.com.
> > > > I guess that doesn't work either. The first part of the email is johngmar60.
> > > Please check your email address... johngmar60 @ gmail.com
> > > to continue our conversation
> Hello: Is anyone still active on this thread? I am Sam Kee's great-great-granddaughter. Mar Moon was my grandfather. I would love to learn more if anyone is still responding to this thread.

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 7:38:14 AM UTC+8, Satish Kumar wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:18:05 PM UTC-7, Chris M. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:11:39 PM UTC-7, Chris M. wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:44:01 PM UTC-8, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 1:03:20 PM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:02:05 PM UTC-6, John Mar wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:43:31 AM UTC-6, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:52:58 AM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> > > > > > > > > I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk.....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX. Homer's parents are buried there.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc.culture.china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > rst9...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Rusty Wyse
> > > > > > > > > > Resty Wyseman
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0....@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > > > > > > > > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > > > > > > > > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > > > > > > > > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > > > > > > > > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > > > > > > > > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > > > > > > > > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > > > > > > > > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > > > > > > > > > my things from "home" to California.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital.. My brother in
> > > > > > > > > > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > > > > > > > > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > > > > > > > > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > > > > > > > > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > > > > > > > > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > > > > > > > > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > > > > > > > > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > > > > > > > > > or given away without telling me.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > > > > > > > > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > > > > > > > > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > > > > > > > > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > > > > > > > > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > > > > > > > > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > > > > > > > > > enough to care.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk.....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My father is Hoover Mar.
> > > > > > > I attended your father's wedding in China. The last time I saw him was in Safford, Arizona around the mid-1950's when he came to visit. I remember your father was a very handsome man. I know your family background if you care to know... email me at: yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > At age 13, he came over from the Hom Hin Lay village in China to the US around 1938 as a paper son to Mar Teung. Mar Teung was a nephew of Mar Kim. After Mar Teung picked up Hoover Mar at Angel Island, he dropped him off with Tony Mar,
> > > > > > > Tony Mar. my father...
> > > > > > > > who took him to Safford AZ where he worked at the Star Cafe restaurant.
> > > > > > > Me, too... until I went to college...
> > > > > > > > Hoover worked in Safford AZ
> > > > > > > I came to the U.S. in 1949, and to Safford, AZ, in December, 1949, Hoover wasn't there... He apparently had gone somewhere else...
> > > > > > > > until he left to go work with Ben in Junction City KS around 1953.
> > > > > > > No, he left Safford before I came to the U.S. in 1949...
> > > > > > > > In 1954, Hoover moved down to work at Mar's Barbecue in Wichita KS, which then later expanded to become Mar's Garden Restaurant. Hoover bought Mar's Garden Restaurant from Young Mar and Wah Mar in 1965 and owned and operated it with his business partner Sam Gee until 1975, when Hoover took over the restaurant completely. Hoover retired in 1991 and passed away in 2007.
> > > > > > > I don't know any of these...
> > > > > > > I started working at U.S. Naval Weapons Research Center at China Lake, California in 1962...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I remember traveling up to Junction City KS with my parents to visit Ben and his wife. We would also visit with Yim Toy Mah and his family, who owned and operated the Circle Restaurant, also in Junction City KS.
> > > > > > > I have never been to Junction City, never been to Kansas... I haven't seen Uncle Ben or his family since the days in China...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would be interested in finding out more from other relatives of Tony and Ben, as well as anyone related to Mar Teung!
> > > > > > > I don't know Mar Teung, but I can tell you anything you want to know about Tony's family. Some about Ben's family... I know general information concerning your family...
> > > > > > > email me at:
> > > > > > > yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > We have a lot to talk about...
> > > > > > Sorry, I'm not able to see your email address in the post, and when I click on it nothing happens. Perhaps you can send me an email directly? johng...@gmail.com.
> > > > > I guess that doesn't work either. The first part of the email is johngmar60.
> > > > Please check your email address... johngmar60 @ gmail.com
> > > > to continue our conversation
> > Hello: Is anyone still active on this thread? I am Sam Kee's great-great-granddaughter. Mar Moon was my grandfather. I would love to learn more if anyone is still responding to this thread.
> Yale Guen Mar lives at:
> 3851 Twilight Avenue,
> Merced, CA 95348
> He has become a recluse.He was diagnosed with multiple personality disorder by Dr. Long Dong.
>
> Yale Guen Mar lives alone and incommunicado in his house with no contact with his ex-wives, children and grandchildren.
>
> He is not even in touch with his Hmong neighbors who have generously raised money for treatment of his mental issues at Dr. Long Dong's clinic.
>
> It might be therapeutic if someone takes Yale Guen Mar to a visit the graves of his parents (Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong) at East Palm Cemetery (Lot 49) in Tuscon, Arizona.
> Here's the address and phone number:
>
> East Palm Cemetery
>
> 5801 East Grant Road #C
> Tucson, AZ 85712
>
> (520) 886-5561

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 4:38:14 PM UTC-7, Satish Kumar wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:18:05 PM UTC-7, Chris M. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:11:39 PM UTC-7, Chris M. wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:44:01 PM UTC-8, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 1:03:20 PM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:02:05 PM UTC-6, John Mar wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:43:31 AM UTC-6, rst88...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:52:58 AM UTC-8, johng...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Wow Thank you so much. I was just 1 1/2 yrs old when Mar Kim passed and would love to know my Chinese Heritage and family.
> > > > > > > > > I Knew of one of my uncle in Chandler, Az he had a restaurant he passed away I got to met him. but I knew little about him other then we called him little Kim
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-7, sk.....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:45:13 AM UTC-7, chryslerje...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Were they related to Sam Kee? or Mar Kim?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The twins Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) and Ben Shee Mar were born on November 5, 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Your grandfather Mar Kim was probably uncle to the twins Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar's son Homer Yale Mar distinguished himself in the US army - he retired as a colonel.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Homer Yale Mar and his beautiful wife Cynthia live in Duncanville, TX. Homer's parents are buried there.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar's son Yale Guen Mar grew up in Phoenix on 914 10th Street.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He now lives in Merced at 3851 Twilight Avenue and posts on soc.culture.china using mulyiple email IDs like:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > rst0...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > rst2...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > rst7...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > > rst9...@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He uses following names on the newsgroup:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Rusty Wyse
> > > > > > > > > > Resty Wyseman
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Here is Yale Guen Mar's account of the last days of his parents Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.china/ee6C3jdVajw
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 25, 2006 at 5:09:23 PM UTC-8, rst0....@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I am very much interested in hearing from Chinese-Americans within the
> > > > > > > > > > > United States on how their aged parents/grandparents were faring in
> > > > > > > > > > > their sunset years. It was ironic for me growing up in a small town,
> > > > > > > > > > > living in California most of my adult life about a thousand miles from
> > > > > > > > > > > "home". As each of us gets older and educated, we leave "home" only to
> > > > > > > > > > > come "home" for visit once or twice a year. My sibblings live in
> > > > > > > > > > > Tucson about 125 miles away leaving my parents alone at "home". To me,
> > > > > > > > > > > "home" was, is and will always be 914 10th St. and I never take any of
> > > > > > > > > > > my things from "home" to California.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Then my father got sick and checked into the hospital.. My brother in
> > > > > > > > > > > Tucson returned "home" and talked to the doctor, who said my father may
> > > > > > > > > > > be in hospital for about a week. Since my mother can not speak English
> > > > > > > > > > > and alone at home, he decided to transfer my father to Tucson Medical
> > > > > > > > > > > Center where he works and move my mother to a retirement home in
> > > > > > > > > > > Tucson. The house was sold. "Home" is no more. All my college year
> > > > > > > > > > > photos were gone, my short-wave radio, my gun collection, everything in
> > > > > > > > > > > my bedroom, including the photos of my favorite pigs, were thrown away
> > > > > > > > > > > or given away without telling me.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My father recovered and moved into the retirement home with my mother,
> > > > > > > > > > > each taken up a room with a cost of $1,200/month each for a total of
> > > > > > > > > > > $2,400. With no outside activities and eat and sleep, my father died
> > > > > > > > > > > in 15 months later. My mother died two years later after my father. I
> > > > > > > > > > > believe my mother died of loneliness and neglect. I have 3 sibblings
> > > > > > > > > > > living in Tucson, not one would visit and talk to my mother often
> > > > > > > > > > > enough to care.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 10:30:44 PM UTC-7, sk.....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 at 12:40:46 PM UTC-7, rst9 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.huachuca.army.mil/sites/History/PDFS/founding.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On page 156 of above document.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Guard House. Bldg. 22328 (Sam Kee Hall). Built as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > guard house in 1885 with a capacity of thirty-eight men,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the adobe structure originally cost $8,900. During World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > War II, the Provost Marshall used this building for his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > office until the post was closed in 1947. Following the 1954
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reactivation of the U.S. Army Electronic Proving Ground,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it became the site of the post office. It is named for a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > legendary figure at Fort Huachuca. Sam Kee was an enterprising
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > restauranteur who first opened a post concession in 1881.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It was relocated in 1905 to Brayton Hall and, finally in 1920,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to Mar Kim Hall. Sam Kee left his business in the hands of family
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > members when he returned to China in 1919. His restaurant was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > favorite gathering place. On at least one occasion it is reported
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that he advanced soldiers’ pay for the fort when the monthly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > payroll was delayed."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam Kee Hall (actual name - Mar Sam Kee - my great-great grandfather).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar Kim Hall - Mar Kim - My great grandfather.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > My forefathers played an important roles of our Western history.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Ben Shee Mar were twins.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong. They lived on 914 10th Street in Phoenix.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong had lasting regrets about son Yale Guen Mar who gave them only grief.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony Chee Mar (1915-1999) was born in 1915, to Hall T. Mar(Chan) and Choi Kang Ma.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony married Kim Hi Wong. They had 5 children: Eugene Yale Mar, Yale Guen Mar, Donald Yale Mar and 2 other children.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tony passed away in 1999, at age 84 in Arizona.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar is Ben Shee Mar's nephew. Uncle Ben (Yale Guen Mar's father's twin brother) was a very generous uncle. Uncle Ben had wanted to send Yale Guen Mar to Kansas State University in Manhattan. Yale Guen Mar was, then, working for Uncle Ben as a janitor in Junction City Cafe.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yale Guen Mar's stint as a janitor at Junction City Cafe in Kansas came to an end when Ben Shee Mar found out what the lad had been up to.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar was twin brother of Tony Chee Mar. They were born on November 5, 1915.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar married Susan Suey Oy Wong while Tony Chee Mar married Kim Hi Wong.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle Ben died of throat cancer on July 12, 1986. Aunt Susan died on September, 2004.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > They are buried side-by-side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Funeral rites for an elderly person follow the prescribed form and convey relevant respect: rites befitting the person's status, age etc. are performed even if this means the family of the deceased must go into debt to pay for them.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suye Oy Wong were fortunate to be honored at their burial by their children and grandchildren. They lie buried side by side in Duncanville, Texas.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > At Qingming Festival every year, Homer Yale Mar his beautiful wife Cynthia and Homer's siblings pay respect to their parents Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong, and all relatives and ancestors who have passed away. They spend time tidying up the graves and tombstones of Ben Shee Mar and Susan Suey Oy Wong. They offer food, flowers and paper money to their ancestors.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My father is Hoover Mar.
> > > > > > > I attended your father's wedding in China. The last time I saw him was in Safford, Arizona around the mid-1950's when he came to visit. I remember your father was a very handsome man. I know your family background if you care to know... email me at: yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > At age 13, he came over from the Hom Hin Lay village in China to the US around 1938 as a paper son to Mar Teung. Mar Teung was a nephew of Mar Kim. After Mar Teung picked up Hoover Mar at Angel Island, he dropped him off with Tony Mar,
> > > > > > > Tony Mar. my father...
> > > > > > > > who took him to Safford AZ where he worked at the Star Cafe restaurant.
> > > > > > > Me, too... until I went to college...
> > > > > > > > Hoover worked in Safford AZ
> > > > > > > I came to the U.S. in 1949, and to Safford, AZ, in December, 1949, Hoover wasn't there... He apparently had gone somewhere else...
> > > > > > > > until he left to go work with Ben in Junction City KS around 1953.
> > > > > > > No, he left Safford before I came to the U.S. in 1949...
> > > > > > > > In 1954, Hoover moved down to work at Mar's Barbecue in Wichita KS, which then later expanded to become Mar's Garden Restaurant. Hoover bought Mar's Garden Restaurant from Young Mar and Wah Mar in 1965 and owned and operated it with his business partner Sam Gee until 1975, when Hoover took over the restaurant completely. Hoover retired in 1991 and passed away in 2007.
> > > > > > > I don't know any of these...
> > > > > > > I started working at U.S. Naval Weapons Research Center at China Lake, California in 1962...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I remember traveling up to Junction City KS with my parents to visit Ben and his wife. We would also visit with Yim Toy Mah and his family, who owned and operated the Circle Restaurant, also in Junction City KS.
> > > > > > > I have never been to Junction City, never been to Kansas... I haven't seen Uncle Ben or his family since the days in China...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would be interested in finding out more from other relatives of Tony and Ben, as well as anyone related to Mar Teung!
> > > > > > > I don't know Mar Teung, but I can tell you anything you want to know about Tony's family. Some about Ben's family... I know general information concerning your family...
> > > > > > > email me at:
> > > > > > > yale...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > We have a lot to talk about...
> > > > > > Sorry, I'm not able to see your email address in the post, and when I click on it nothing happens. Perhaps you can send me an email directly? johng...@gmail.com.
> > > > > I guess that doesn't work either. The first part of the email is johngmar60.
> > > > Please check your email address... johngmar60 @ gmail.com
> > > > to continue our conversation
> > Hello: Is anyone still active on this thread? I am Sam Kee's great-great-granddaughter. Mar Moon was my grandfather. I would love to learn more if anyone is still responding to this thread.
> Yale Guen Mar lives at:
> 3851 Twilight Avenue,
> Merced, CA 95348
> He has become a recluse.He was diagnosed with multiple personality disorder by Dr. Long Dong.
>
> Yale Guen Mar lives alone and incommunicado in his house with no contact with his ex-wives, children and grandchildren.
>
> He is not even in touch with his Hmong neighbors who have generously raised money for treatment of his mental issues at Dr. Long Dong's clinic.
>
> It might be therapeutic if someone takes Yale Guen Mar to a visit the graves of his parents (Tony Chee Mar and Kim Hi Wong) at East Palm Cemetery (Lot 49) in Tuscon, Arizona.
> Here's the address and phone number:
>
> East Palm Cemetery
>
> 5801 East Grant Road #C
> Tucson, AZ 85712
>
> (520) 886-5561
>