On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 20:21:26 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
wrote:

>On 08/29/2021 02:44 PM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 4:40:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:59:04 -0700 (PDT), "angelica...@yahoo.com"
>>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 12:53:35 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On 08/29/2021 05:54 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 11:17:15 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 08/28/2021 05:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/28/2021 6:08 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <sgdr7e$37l$1...@dont-email.me>, "frank "@frank.net says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They may not all start out too dishonest, but the longer they stay in
>>>>>>>>>>> office the more dishonest they get. Biden had been around over 40
>>>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is a problem living in the swamp. We need term limits for all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We do not need term limits as they can be voted out at the end of each
>>>>>>>>> term.. What we do need is a limit on the Supreme court. Almost all of
>>>>>>>>> them seem to die in office. No easy way to remove any of them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am all for them being 'retired' out of court when they reach the
>>>>>>>>> social security age. We need some younger ones in office instead of the
>>>>>>>>> older ones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Republican Party platform says we should have term limits. They
>>>>>>>> never push it though. While we CAN vote them out of office, it does not
>>>>>>>> happen very often. How else can you account for McConnell, Pelosi,
>>>>>>>> Graham and a bunch of others. In principle I agree with you but in
>>>>>>>> reality, we need limits.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for the Supreme Court. the law is the law and the Constitution is the
>>>>>>>> same. What would younger people do that older ones cannot do?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the la is the law and the Constitution is the same, why all the
>>>>>>> hullabaloo about court appointees? The law is what 9 justices say it is.
>>>>>>> Once positive law supersedes natural law a society is circling the drain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only natural law is "survival of the fittest. I think I'd rather have positive law.
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
>>>>>
>>>>> So much for Western thought from Aristotle onward. According to you that
>>>>> little thing in the Declaration of Independence about 'all men are
>>>>> created equal' is unfounded.
>>>>
>>>> It's a pretty fantasy. Something to aspire to.
>>>>
>>>>> Prior to the 14th Amendment and subsequent
>>>>> Supreme Court decisions like Brown there was no equality. Prior to the
>>>>> 19th Amendment women should sit down and shut up as recommended by Paul.
>>>>
>>>> That certainly was how it worked.
>>>>
>>>>> What do you think positive law is based on? The divine right of rulers?
>>>>
>>>> Custom and practice.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> Who's custom and practice?
>>> In this all inclusive world are you saying 2.4 billion Muslims are
>>> wrong? ;-)
>>
>> America. We're talking about American jurisprudence.
>
>Shall we start with the Marshall court? Adams and the Federalist Party
>were soon out of power but Marshall had 34 years to consolidate the
>power of the central government and the judiciary.

Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803) was his landmark
decision.
That was when the SCOTUS decided they could throw out any legislation
they deemed unconstitutional.
On the one hand it was one of the checks on power envisioned by the
founding fathers but it is subject to abuse by as few as five people.

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:37:54 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

> Those people breed masterminds like goats.
>

Substitute the word 'like' to 'with the'

--
Tekkie

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:12:27 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote
>> angelica...@yahoo.com <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 4:40:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:59:04 -0700 (PDT), "angelica...@yahoo.com"
>>>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 12:53:35 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
>>>> >> On 08/29/2021 05:54 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> >> > On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 11:17:15 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
>>>> >> >> On 08/28/2021 05:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> >> >>> On 8/28/2021 6:08 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> In article <sgdr7e$37l$1...@dont-email.me>, "frank "@frank.net
>>>> >> >>>> says...
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>> They may not all start out too dishonest, but the longer they
>>>> >> >>>>>> stay in
>>>> >> >>>>>> office the more dishonest they get. Biden had been around over
>>>> >> >>>>>> 40
>>>> >> >>>>>> years.
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>> That is a problem living in the swamp. We need term limits for
>>>> >> >>>>> all.
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> We do not need term limits as they can be voted out at the end
>>>> >> >>>> of each
>>>> >> >>>> term.. What we do need is a limit on the Supreme court. Almost
>>>> >> >>>> all of
>>>> >> >>>> them seem to die in office. No easy way to remove any of them.
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> I am all for them being 'retired' out of court when they reach
>>>> >> >>>> the
>>>> >> >>>> social security age. We need some younger ones in office instead
>>>> >> >>>> of the
>>>> >> >>>> older ones.
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>> The Republican Party platform says we should have term limits.
>>>> >> >>> They
>>>> >> >>> never push it though. While we CAN vote them out of office, it
>>>> >> >>> does not
>>>> >> >>> happen very often. How else can you account for McConnell,
>>>> >> >>> Pelosi,
>>>> >> >>> Graham and a bunch of others. In principle I agree with you but
>>>> >> >>> in
>>>> >> >>> reality, we need limits.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> As for the Supreme Court. the law is the law and the Constitution
>>>> >> >>> is the
>>>> >> >>> same. What would younger people do that older ones cannot do?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> If the la is the law and the Constitution is the same, why all the
>>>> >> >> hullabaloo about court appointees? The law is what 9 justices say
>>>> >> >> it is.
>>>> >> >> Once positive law supersedes natural law a society is circling the
>>>> >> >> drain.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > The only natural law is "survival of the fittest. I think I'd
>>>> >> > rather have positive law.
>>>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So much for Western thought from Aristotle onward. According to you
>>>> >> that
>>>> >> little thing in the Declaration of Independence about 'all men are
>>>> >> created equal' is unfounded.
>>>> >
>>>> >It's a pretty fantasy. Something to aspire to.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Prior to the 14th Amendment and subsequent
>>>> >> Supreme Court decisions like Brown there was no equality. Prior to
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> 19th Amendment women should sit down and shut up as recommended by
>>>> >> Paul.
>>>> >
>>>> >That certainly was how it worked.
>>>> >
>>>> >> What do you think positive law is based on? The divine right of
>>>> >> rulers?
>>>> >
>>>> >Custom and practice.
>>>> >
>>>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>>> Who's custom and practice?
>>>> In this all inclusive world are you saying 2.4 billion Muslims are
>>>> wrong? ;-)
>>>
>>>America. We're talking about American jurisprudence.
>
>> Lawmakers and local judges are elected officials.
>
>Not universally true in the USA with local judges.
>
>> Special interests raise the money that elect them.
>
>More mindless bullshit with plenty of elected local judges.

Speak about things you know. If kangaroo fucking comes up, you are our
go to guy.

On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 13:09:58 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com posted for all of us to
digest...

>
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:37:54 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 08/28/2021 12:14 PM, Tekkie? wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:09:14 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of us to
> >> digest...
> >>
> >>>
> >>> And another thing. A whole bunch of people need to resign or be fired.
> >>>
> >>> Blinken
> >>> NSA, whoever that dumb kid is
> >>> General Milley
> >>> Lloyd Austin
> >>> General McKenzie, the commander in Afghanistan
> >>>
> >>> They knew an ISIS attack was highly likely. What a bunch of morons to have
> >>> a system, a procedure in place, where 13 marines can get killed at once.
> >>> They were doing pat downs, relying on the Taliban to have screened them first.
> >>> How stupid is that, given the nature of this threat and 20 years of experience?
> >>> But it fits right in with Biden's nonsense, where he talks like the Taliban are our
> >>> allies now. The procedure should have been the marines are
> >>> behind a heavy sand bag or similar structure, with just a viewing window. People
> >>> approach one at a time, stop 25 feet away, lift up their clothes, show if they
> >>> have anything underneath. Spread out any bags to show there is nothing there
> >>> or don't allow bags. At most, one or two marines might have been wounded,
> >>> but you wouldn't have this disaster. This isn't rocket science. And I saw that
> >>> idiot Gen McKenzie on TV saying there was no other way. I just cited one.
> >>> What a ship of fools.
> >>
> >> I agree. Now they retaliate with a drone strike that they state took out two
> >> top ISIS people. This leads to the question why they didn't do this prior to
> >> the bombing if they knew who they were? So on past history are they lying now,
> >> lying before, or sticking to their lying ways? Maybe they just killed two
> >> random people. Who knows what to believe. This is only the start...
> >>
> >
> >
> >https://www.rt.com/usa/533035-us-drone-pilots-afghanistan-leak-footage/
> >
> >Truth or bullshit? IDK.
> >
> >https://www.theriseeast.com/global/isi-linked-pakistani-aslam-farooqui-is-the-mastermind-behind-kabul-airport-attack/
> >
> >I would think if they got Farooqui it would be shouted from the
> >rooftops. Even if they did blow up the 'mastermind', they've blown up
> >past masterminds. Those people breed masterminds like goats.
> >
>
> Collateral Damage is just the "rub of the green" in warfare. During
> WWII "Bomber Harris" (Air Marshal RAF) perfected the carpet bombing of
> cities. Curtis LeMay bested him by adding napalm in Japan. Then we
> nuked them ... twice.
> That was "the good war".

And the last one we won...

--
Tekkie

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 14:19:55 -0400, Frank posted for all of us to digest...

>
> On 8/27/2021 11:51 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 14:41:58 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/27/2021 7:06 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Best I heard about Biden is 'his voters are turning over in their
> >>> graves'.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> You are always wrong.
> >
> > Probably just those swing voters who held their nose and voted for
> > Biden because they were pissed at Trump.
> > Yellow dog guys like you are going to support Biden to the end and you
> > will love 38% approval Kammy when he is gone, just like the MAGA hat
> > Trump people support him.
> > I am happy to say I didn't vote for either of them.
> >
> >
>
> Maybe Biden is smarter than we thought and put Cackling Kamala in office
> to assure he would not be forced out of the presidency.

That is sorta a parallel of Obama putting Joe as VP. Nobody would off him
because they would get Joe.

--
Tekkie

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:55:34 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

>
> On 08/28/2021 01:06 PM, Alex wrote:
> > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
> >> On 08/27/2021 07:13 PM, Alex wrote:
> >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
> >>>> On 08/27/2021 10:10 AM, Frank wrote:
> >>>>> On 8/27/2021 11:27 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 07:49:19 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 08/27/2021 07:12 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:01:24 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> And I know Micky and Bob F and the most of the rest of the lib
> >>>>>>>>> loons will never admit it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It was soap opera time when Biden stepped to the podium last
> >>>>>>>> evening.
> >>>>>>>> I flipped through the channels this morning. One started off with
> >>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>> like "the President went through the full range of emotions in his
> >>>>>>>> speech".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Confusion, crocodile tears, more confusion?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have a certain grudging respect for Biden now. At least he has said
> >>>>>> "the buck stops here".
> >>>>>> I assume he is not seeking a second term.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is true that he could have easily tossed the Trump deal in the
> >>>>>> trash along with all of his other EOs reversing Trump decisions.
> >>>>>> I think he was happy that he had the framework to get us out of a
> >>>>>> losing war. I just think he was hoping to do it a little more
> >>>>>> smoothly.
> >>>>>> This is Vietnam in April 75. There was no pretty way to get out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Guess you missed the part after he said he took responsibility.
> >>>>> Then he
> >>>>> went on to blame Trump for setting the deadline.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have much less respect for Biden than I did in the past now learning
> >>>>> he is a liar and a crook.
> >>>>
> >>>> He's in his second childhood. Like a ten year old everything is
> >>>> someone else's fault.
> >>>
> >>> Of course Trump was never like that.
> >>
> >> And Obama, and Bush, and Clinton, and .... Presumably Truman didn't
> >> blame the previous Democratic administration or GHWB the previous
> >> Republican administration. Ford and Johnson are special cases.
> >>
> >> Carter was too nice a guy to give Nixon the credit he fully deserved.
> >>
> >> It's only to be expected. If the opposing party doesn't consist of
> >> incompetent, wrong-headed, corrupt fools why even bother?
> >
> > Because you claim to be going to do things differently. Nothing
> > to do with incompetent, wrong-headed, corrupt, just different.
> > Most obviously with Joe and illegals and Trump's stupid wall.
>
> As I understand it Joe overreached on the illegals. Applicants will stay
> in Mexico. He also got schooled on the eviction moratorium that even he
> knew was an unconstitutional use of power.
>
> Trump screwed up when he didn't hire the Hungarians to build the wall:
>
> https://checkyourfact.com/2018/10/28/fact-check-hungary-99-percent-border-wall/
>
> Poland is doing well too.
>
> https://whitehousewire.com/2021/08/27/poland-is-building-a-wallwhy-cant-we/
>
> I've seen the 'wall' at Quitobaquito Springs in Organ Pipe NM. What a
> fucking joke.
>
> http://www.surgent.net/pix/q/quitobaquito7.jpg
>
> You can't tell from that angle but Mexico route 2 is about 100 yards
> south. For a while the park rangers would drive people out in vans with
> armed guards. You could drive out by yourself the last time I was there.
> I provided my own security.
>
> 30 years ago it was a 3 strand barbed wire fence. Now the wire doesn't
> even have barbs.

Thanks, I feel more secure than ever. Now we got Afghans in Philly to disperse.
Keep your powder dry.

--
Tekkie

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 18:08:16 -0400, Ralph Mowery posted for all of us to
digest...

>
> In article <sgdr7e$37l$1@dont-email.me>, "frank "@frank.net says...
> >
> > > They may not all start out too dishonest, but the longer they stay in
> > > office the more dishonest they get. Biden had been around over 40
> > > years.
> > >
> >
> > That is a problem living in the swamp. We need term limits for all.
> >
> >
> >
>
> We do not need term limits as they can be voted out at the end of each
> term.. What we do need is a limit on the Supreme court. Almost all of
> them seem to die in office. No easy way to remove any of them.
>
> I am all for them being 'retired' out of court when they reach the
> social security age. We need some younger ones in office instead of the
> older ones.

I am in favor of recall elections, for any time, any politician. Like Newsome
in CA. It might force them to listen to the voters. IDK

--
Tekkie

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:46:01 -0400, Tekkie© <Tekkie@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 13:09:58 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com posted for all of us to
>digest...
>
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:37:54 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 08/28/2021 12:14 PM, Tekkie? wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:09:14 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of us to
>> >> digest...
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> And another thing. A whole bunch of people need to resign or be fired.
>> >>>
>> >>> Blinken
>> >>> NSA, whoever that dumb kid is
>> >>> General Milley
>> >>> Lloyd Austin
>> >>> General McKenzie, the commander in Afghanistan
>> >>>
>> >>> They knew an ISIS attack was highly likely. What a bunch of morons to have
>> >>> a system, a procedure in place, where 13 marines can get killed at once.
>> >>> They were doing pat downs, relying on the Taliban to have screened them first.
>> >>> How stupid is that, given the nature of this threat and 20 years of experience?
>> >>> But it fits right in with Biden's nonsense, where he talks like the Taliban are our
>> >>> allies now. The procedure should have been the marines are
>> >>> behind a heavy sand bag or similar structure, with just a viewing window. People
>> >>> approach one at a time, stop 25 feet away, lift up their clothes, show if they
>> >>> have anything underneath. Spread out any bags to show there is nothing there
>> >>> or don't allow bags. At most, one or two marines might have been wounded,
>> >>> but you wouldn't have this disaster. This isn't rocket science. And I saw that
>> >>> idiot Gen McKenzie on TV saying there was no other way. I just cited one.
>> >>> What a ship of fools.
>> >>
>> >> I agree. Now they retaliate with a drone strike that they state took out two
>> >> top ISIS people. This leads to the question why they didn't do this prior to
>> >> the bombing if they knew who they were? So on past history are they lying now,
>> >> lying before, or sticking to their lying ways? Maybe they just killed two
>> >> random people. Who knows what to believe. This is only the start...
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >https://www.rt.com/usa/533035-us-drone-pilots-afghanistan-leak-footage/
>> >
>> >Truth or bullshit? IDK.
>> >
>> >https://www.theriseeast.com/global/isi-linked-pakistani-aslam-farooqui-is-the-mastermind-behind-kabul-airport-attack/
>> >
>> >I would think if they got Farooqui it would be shouted from the
>> >rooftops. Even if they did blow up the 'mastermind', they've blown up
>> >past masterminds. Those people breed masterminds like goats.
>> >
>>
>> Collateral Damage is just the "rub of the green" in warfare. During
>> WWII "Bomber Harris" (Air Marshal RAF) perfected the carpet bombing of
>> cities. Curtis LeMay bested him by adding napalm in Japan. Then we
>> nuked them ... twice.
>> That was "the good war".
>
>And the last one we won...

Come on man. We kicked some serious construction worker ass in
Grenada. Didn't you see Heartbreak Ridge?

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:17:03 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...

>
> On 08/28/2021 05:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 8/28/2021 6:08 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> >> In article <sgdr7e$37l$1@dont-email.me>, "frank "@frank.net says...
> >>>
> >>>> They may not all start out too dishonest, but the longer they stay in
> >>>> office the more dishonest they get. Biden had been around over 40
> >>>> years.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> That is a problem living in the swamp. We need term limits for all.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> We do not need term limits as they can be voted out at the end of each
> >> term.. What we do need is a limit on the Supreme court. Almost all of
> >> them seem to die in office. No easy way to remove any of them.
> >>
> >> I am all for them being 'retired' out of court when they reach the
> >> social security age. We need some younger ones in office instead of the
> >> older ones.
> >>
> >>
> > The Republican Party platform says we should have term limits. They
> > never push it though. While we CAN vote them out of office, it does not
> > happen very often. How else can you account for McConnell, Pelosi,
> > Graham and a bunch of others. In principle I agree with you but in
> > reality, we need limits.
> >
> > As for the Supreme Court. the law is the law and the Constitution is the
> > same. What would younger people do that older ones cannot do?
> >
> >
>
> If the la is the law and the Constitution is the same, why all the
> hullabaloo about court appointees? The law is what 9 justices say it is.
> Once positive law supersedes natural law a society is circling the drain.

How the heck can anyone follow the laws if SCOTUS doesn't have a unanimous
ruling? They are written by lawyers, for lawyers. SCOTUS interprets the laws vs
the Constitution, state judges do the same. It's Kabuki theater.

--
Tekkie

In article <PQaXI.6013$g81.2812@fx33.iad>, Tekkie@comcast.net says...
>
> > If the la is the law and the Constitution is the same, why all the
> > hullabaloo about court appointees? The law is what 9 justices say it is.
> > Once positive law supersedes natural law a society is circling the drain.
>
> How the heck can anyone follow the laws if SCOTUS doesn't have a unanimous
> ruling? They are written by lawyers, for lawyers. SCOTUS interprets the laws vs
> the Constitution, state judges do the same. It's Kabuki theater.
>
>

The law is what only 5 out of the 9 justices say it is. Many times they
have a say so after lower courts have already expressed their opinion.
I still think it should be all or at least 2/3 of them as it is
difficult to get that many people to agree on every thing.

<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote
>>> angelica...@yahoo.com <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 4:40:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:59:04 -0700 (PDT), "angelica...@yahoo.com"
>>>>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 12:53:35 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> >> On 08/29/2021 05:54 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> >> > On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 11:17:15 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> >> >> On 08/28/2021 05:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> >> >>> On 8/28/2021 6:08 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>> In article <sgdr7e$37l$1...@dont-email.me>, "frank "@frank.net
>>>>> >> >>>> says...
>>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>> They may not all start out too dishonest, but the longer
>>>>> >> >>>>>> they
>>>>> >> >>>>>> stay in
>>>>> >> >>>>>> office the more dishonest they get. Biden had been around
>>>>> >> >>>>>> over
>>>>> >> >>>>>> 40
>>>>> >> >>>>>> years.
>>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>> That is a problem living in the swamp. We need term limits
>>>>> >> >>>>> for
>>>>> >> >>>>> all.
>>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> We do not need term limits as they can be voted out at the end
>>>>> >> >>>> of each
>>>>> >> >>>> term.. What we do need is a limit on the Supreme court. Almost
>>>>> >> >>>> all of
>>>>> >> >>>> them seem to die in office. No easy way to remove any of them.
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> I am all for them being 'retired' out of court when they reach
>>>>> >> >>>> the
>>>>> >> >>>> social security age. We need some younger ones in office
>>>>> >> >>>> instead
>>>>> >> >>>> of the
>>>>> >> >>>> older ones.
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>> The Republican Party platform says we should have term limits.
>>>>> >> >>> They
>>>>> >> >>> never push it though. While we CAN vote them out of office, it
>>>>> >> >>> does not
>>>>> >> >>> happen very often. How else can you account for McConnell,
>>>>> >> >>> Pelosi,
>>>>> >> >>> Graham and a bunch of others. In principle I agree with you but
>>>>> >> >>> in
>>>>> >> >>> reality, we need limits.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> As for the Supreme Court. the law is the law and the
>>>>> >> >>> Constitution
>>>>> >> >>> is the
>>>>> >> >>> same. What would younger people do that older ones cannot do?
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> If the la is the law and the Constitution is the same, why all
>>>>> >> >> the
>>>>> >> >> hullabaloo about court appointees? The law is what 9 justices
>>>>> >> >> say
>>>>> >> >> it is.
>>>>> >> >> Once positive law supersedes natural law a society is circling
>>>>> >> >> the
>>>>> >> >> drain.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > The only natural law is "survival of the fittest. I think I'd
>>>>> >> > rather have positive law.
>>>>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> So much for Western thought from Aristotle onward. According to you
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> little thing in the Declaration of Independence about 'all men are
>>>>> >> created equal' is unfounded.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >It's a pretty fantasy. Something to aspire to.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Prior to the 14th Amendment and subsequent
>>>>> >> Supreme Court decisions like Brown there was no equality. Prior to
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> 19th Amendment women should sit down and shut up as recommended by
>>>>> >> Paul.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >That certainly was how it worked.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> What do you think positive law is based on? The divine right of
>>>>> >> rulers?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Custom and practice.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> Who's custom and practice?
>>>>> In this all inclusive world are you saying 2.4 billion Muslims are
>>>>> wrong? ;-)
>>>>
>>>>America. We're talking about American jurisprudence.
>>
>>> Lawmakers and local judges are elected officials.
>>
>>Not universally true in the USA with local judges.
>>
>>> Special interests raise the money that elect them.
>>
>>More mindless bullshit with plenty of elected local judges.
>
> Speak about things you know.

I did, because I read Judge Mader's memoir where she
spelt out the detail of which judges were elected and
which were appointed and how she funded her election.
She just happens to have been a judge in LA, fuckwit.
https://www.amazon.com/Inside-Robe-Criminal-Justice-America-ebook/dp/B08S5T7C8M/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=mader&qid=1630355874&sr=8-3

Tekkie© <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 13:09:58 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com posted for all of us
> to
> digest...
>
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:37:54 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 08/28/2021 12:14 PM, Tekkie? wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:09:14 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of
>> >> us to
>> >> digest...
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> And another thing. A whole bunch of people need to resign or be
>> >>> fired.
>> >>>
>> >>> Blinken
>> >>> NSA, whoever that dumb kid is
>> >>> General Milley
>> >>> Lloyd Austin
>> >>> General McKenzie, the commander in Afghanistan
>> >>>
>> >>> They knew an ISIS attack was highly likely. What a bunch of morons
>> >>> to have
>> >>> a system, a procedure in place, where 13 marines can get killed at
>> >>> once.
>> >>> They were doing pat downs, relying on the Taliban to have screened
>> >>> them first.
>> >>> How stupid is that, given the nature of this threat and 20 years of
>> >>> experience?
>> >>> But it fits right in with Biden's nonsense, where he talks like the
>> >>> Taliban are our
>> >>> allies now. The procedure should have been the marines are
>> >>> behind a heavy sand bag or similar structure, with just a viewing
>> >>> window. People
>> >>> approach one at a time, stop 25 feet away, lift up their clothes,
>> >>> show if they
>> >>> have anything underneath. Spread out any bags to show there is
>> >>> nothing there
>> >>> or don't allow bags. At most, one or two marines might have been
>> >>> wounded,
>> >>> but you wouldn't have this disaster. This isn't rocket science.
>> >>> And I saw that
>> >>> idiot Gen McKenzie on TV saying there was no other way. I just
>> >>> cited one.
>> >>> What a ship of fools.
>> >>
>> >> I agree. Now they retaliate with a drone strike that they state took
>> >> out two
>> >> top ISIS people. This leads to the question why they didn't do this
>> >> prior to
>> >> the bombing if they knew who they were? So on past history are they
>> >> lying now,
>> >> lying before, or sticking to their lying ways? Maybe they just killed
>> >> two
>> >> random people. Who knows what to believe. This is only the start...
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >https://www.rt.com/usa/533035-us-drone-pilots-afghanistan-leak-footage/
>> >
>> >Truth or bullshit? IDK.
>> >
>> >https://www.theriseeast.com/global/isi-linked-pakistani-aslam-farooqui-is-the-mastermind-behind-kabul-airport-attack/
>> >
>> >I would think if they got Farooqui it would be shouted from the
>> >rooftops. Even if they did blow up the 'mastermind', they've blown up
>> >past masterminds. Those people breed masterminds like goats.
>> >
>>
>> Collateral Damage is just the "rub of the green" in warfare. During
>> WWII "Bomber Harris" (Air Marshal RAF) perfected the carpet bombing of
>> cities. Curtis LeMay bested him by adding napalm in Japan. Then we
>> nuked them ... twice.
>> That was "the good war".
>
> And the last one we won...

More mindless bullshit with Korea, the first Gulf War etc etc etc.

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 06:44:33 +1000, "Alex" <ased21@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Tekkie© <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote
>> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 13:09:58 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com posted for all of us
>> to
>> digest...
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:37:54 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 08/28/2021 12:14 PM, Tekkie? wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:09:14 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of
>>> >> us to
>>> >> digest...
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And another thing. A whole bunch of people need to resign or be
>>> >>> fired.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Blinken
>>> >>> NSA, whoever that dumb kid is
>>> >>> General Milley
>>> >>> Lloyd Austin
>>> >>> General McKenzie, the commander in Afghanistan
>>> >>>
>>> >>> They knew an ISIS attack was highly likely. What a bunch of morons
>>> >>> to have
>>> >>> a system, a procedure in place, where 13 marines can get killed at
>>> >>> once.
>>> >>> They were doing pat downs, relying on the Taliban to have screened
>>> >>> them first.
>>> >>> How stupid is that, given the nature of this threat and 20 years of
>>> >>> experience?
>>> >>> But it fits right in with Biden's nonsense, where he talks like the
>>> >>> Taliban are our
>>> >>> allies now. The procedure should have been the marines are
>>> >>> behind a heavy sand bag or similar structure, with just a viewing
>>> >>> window. People
>>> >>> approach one at a time, stop 25 feet away, lift up their clothes,
>>> >>> show if they
>>> >>> have anything underneath. Spread out any bags to show there is
>>> >>> nothing there
>>> >>> or don't allow bags. At most, one or two marines might have been
>>> >>> wounded,
>>> >>> but you wouldn't have this disaster. This isn't rocket science.
>>> >>> And I saw that
>>> >>> idiot Gen McKenzie on TV saying there was no other way. I just
>>> >>> cited one.
>>> >>> What a ship of fools.
>>> >>
>>> >> I agree. Now they retaliate with a drone strike that they state took
>>> >> out two
>>> >> top ISIS people. This leads to the question why they didn't do this
>>> >> prior to
>>> >> the bombing if they knew who they were? So on past history are they
>>> >> lying now,
>>> >> lying before, or sticking to their lying ways? Maybe they just killed
>>> >> two
>>> >> random people. Who knows what to believe. This is only the start...
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >https://www.rt.com/usa/533035-us-drone-pilots-afghanistan-leak-footage/
>>> >
>>> >Truth or bullshit? IDK.
>>> >
>>> >https://www.theriseeast.com/global/isi-linked-pakistani-aslam-farooqui-is-the-mastermind-behind-kabul-airport-attack/
>>> >
>>> >I would think if they got Farooqui it would be shouted from the
>>> >rooftops. Even if they did blow up the 'mastermind', they've blown up
>>> >past masterminds. Those people breed masterminds like goats.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Collateral Damage is just the "rub of the green" in warfare. During
>>> WWII "Bomber Harris" (Air Marshal RAF) perfected the carpet bombing of
>>> cities. Curtis LeMay bested him by adding napalm in Japan. Then we
>>> nuked them ... twice.
>>> That was "the good war".
>>
>> And the last one we won...
>
>More mindless bullshit with Korea, the first Gulf War etc etc etc.

Korea? If you call fighting 4 years to end up 200 miles worse off than
you were 3 years ago a win you have a strange standard you go by.

The first gulf war would have been a win if GHWB had just picked up
our stuff and came home after he liberated Kuwait but he had to snatch
defeat from the jaws of victory and set up a situation that let his
idiot son invade Iraq.
We killed Saddam, HWs goal but you certainly can't call the ISIS
wonderland we created a win.
Our NATO ally Turkey will still be persecuting the Kurds long after we
forget about that mistake.

<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote
> Alex <ased21@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Tekkie© <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote
>>> gfretwell@aol.com wrote
>>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:37:54 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On 08/28/2021 12:14 PM, Tekkie? wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:09:14 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of
>>>> >> us to
>>>> >> digest...
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> And another thing. A whole bunch of people need to resign or be
>>>> >>> fired.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Blinken
>>>> >>> NSA, whoever that dumb kid is
>>>> >>> General Milley
>>>> >>> Lloyd Austin
>>>> >>> General McKenzie, the commander in Afghanistan
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> They knew an ISIS attack was highly likely. What a bunch of
>>>> >>> morons
>>>> >>> to have
>>>> >>> a system, a procedure in place, where 13 marines can get killed at
>>>> >>> once.
>>>> >>> They were doing pat downs, relying on the Taliban to have screened
>>>> >>> them first.
>>>> >>> How stupid is that, given the nature of this threat and 20 years of
>>>> >>> experience?
>>>> >>> But it fits right in with Biden's nonsense, where he talks like the
>>>> >>> Taliban are our
>>>> >>> allies now. The procedure should have been the marines are
>>>> >>> behind a heavy sand bag or similar structure, with just a viewing
>>>> >>> window. People
>>>> >>> approach one at a time, stop 25 feet away, lift up their clothes,
>>>> >>> show if they
>>>> >>> have anything underneath. Spread out any bags to show there is
>>>> >>> nothing there
>>>> >>> or don't allow bags. At most, one or two marines might have been
>>>> >>> wounded,
>>>> >>> but you wouldn't have this disaster. This isn't rocket science.
>>>> >>> And I saw that
>>>> >>> idiot Gen McKenzie on TV saying there was no other way. I just
>>>> >>> cited one.
>>>> >>> What a ship of fools.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I agree. Now they retaliate with a drone strike that they state took
>>>> >> out two
>>>> >> top ISIS people. This leads to the question why they didn't do this
>>>> >> prior to
>>>> >> the bombing if they knew who they were? So on past history are they
>>>> >> lying now,
>>>> >> lying before, or sticking to their lying ways? Maybe they just
>>>> >> killed
>>>> >> two
>>>> >> random people. Who knows what to believe. This is only the start...
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >https://www.rt.com/usa/533035-us-drone-pilots-afghanistan-leak-footage/
>>>> >
>>>> >Truth or bullshit? IDK.
>>>> >
>>>> >https://www.theriseeast.com/global/isi-linked-pakistani-aslam-farooqui-is-the-mastermind-behind-kabul-airport-attack/
>>>> >
>>>> >I would think if they got Farooqui it would be shouted from the
>>>> >rooftops. Even if they did blow up the 'mastermind', they've blown up
>>>> >past masterminds. Those people breed masterminds like goats.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Collateral Damage is just the "rub of the green" in warfare. During
>>>> WWII "Bomber Harris" (Air Marshal RAF) perfected the carpet bombing of
>>>> cities. Curtis LeMay bested him by adding napalm in Japan. Then we
>>>> nuked them ... twice.
>>>> That was "the good war".
>>>
>>> And the last one we won...
>>
>>More mindless bullshit with Korea, the first Gulf War etc etc etc.
>
> Korea? If you call fighting 4 years to end up 200 miles worse off than
> you were 3 years ago a win you have a strange standard you go by.

Even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should
have noticed that south korea is doing fine.

> The first gulf war would have been a win if GHWB had
> just picked up our stuff and came home after he liberated
> Kuwait but he had to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

More of your mindless bullshit. He sensible chose not to invade Iraq.

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 08:59:32 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote
>> Alex <ased21@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Tekkie© <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote
>>>> gfretwell@aol.com wrote
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:37:54 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On 08/28/2021 12:14 PM, Tekkie? wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:09:14 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of
>>>>> >> us to
>>>>> >> digest...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> And another thing. A whole bunch of people need to resign or be
>>>>> >>> fired.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Blinken
>>>>> >>> NSA, whoever that dumb kid is
>>>>> >>> General Milley
>>>>> >>> Lloyd Austin
>>>>> >>> General McKenzie, the commander in Afghanistan
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> They knew an ISIS attack was highly likely. What a bunch of
>>>>> >>> morons
>>>>> >>> to have
>>>>> >>> a system, a procedure in place, where 13 marines can get killed at
>>>>> >>> once.
>>>>> >>> They were doing pat downs, relying on the Taliban to have screened
>>>>> >>> them first.
>>>>> >>> How stupid is that, given the nature of this threat and 20 years of
>>>>> >>> experience?
>>>>> >>> But it fits right in with Biden's nonsense, where he talks like the
>>>>> >>> Taliban are our
>>>>> >>> allies now. The procedure should have been the marines are
>>>>> >>> behind a heavy sand bag or similar structure, with just a viewing
>>>>> >>> window. People
>>>>> >>> approach one at a time, stop 25 feet away, lift up their clothes,
>>>>> >>> show if they
>>>>> >>> have anything underneath. Spread out any bags to show there is
>>>>> >>> nothing there
>>>>> >>> or don't allow bags. At most, one or two marines might have been
>>>>> >>> wounded,
>>>>> >>> but you wouldn't have this disaster. This isn't rocket science.
>>>>> >>> And I saw that
>>>>> >>> idiot Gen McKenzie on TV saying there was no other way. I just
>>>>> >>> cited one.
>>>>> >>> What a ship of fools.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I agree. Now they retaliate with a drone strike that they state took
>>>>> >> out two
>>>>> >> top ISIS people. This leads to the question why they didn't do this
>>>>> >> prior to
>>>>> >> the bombing if they knew who they were? So on past history are they
>>>>> >> lying now,
>>>>> >> lying before, or sticking to their lying ways? Maybe they just
>>>>> >> killed
>>>>> >> two
>>>>> >> random people. Who knows what to believe. This is only the start...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >https://www.rt.com/usa/533035-us-drone-pilots-afghanistan-leak-footage/
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Truth or bullshit? IDK.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >https://www.theriseeast.com/global/isi-linked-pakistani-aslam-farooqui-is-the-mastermind-behind-kabul-airport-attack/
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I would think if they got Farooqui it would be shouted from the
>>>>> >rooftops. Even if they did blow up the 'mastermind', they've blown up
>>>>> >past masterminds. Those people breed masterminds like goats.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Collateral Damage is just the "rub of the green" in warfare. During
>>>>> WWII "Bomber Harris" (Air Marshal RAF) perfected the carpet bombing of
>>>>> cities. Curtis LeMay bested him by adding napalm in Japan. Then we
>>>>> nuked them ... twice.
>>>>> That was "the good war".
>>>>
>>>> And the last one we won...
>>>
>>>More mindless bullshit with Korea, the first Gulf War etc etc etc.
>>
>> Korea? If you call fighting 4 years to end up 200 miles worse off than
>> you were 3 years ago a win you have a strange standard you go by.
>
>Even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should
>have noticed that south korea is doing fine.
>
Winning implies wee beat someone. The Kims are still running North
Korea or are you saying that is just fine too?

>> The first gulf war would have been a win if GHWB had
>> just picked up our stuff and came home after he liberated
>> Kuwait but he had to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
>
>More of your mindless bullshit. He sensible chose not to invade Iraq.
>
>
But he kept bombing them

<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote
>>> Alex <ased21@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> Tekkie© <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote
>>>>> gfretwell@aol.com wrote
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:37:54 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On 08/28/2021 12:14 PM, Tekkie? wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:09:14 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all
>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>> >> us to
>>>>>> >> digest...
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> And another thing. A whole bunch of people need to resign or be
>>>>>> >>> fired.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Blinken
>>>>>> >>> NSA, whoever that dumb kid is
>>>>>> >>> General Milley
>>>>>> >>> Lloyd Austin
>>>>>> >>> General McKenzie, the commander in Afghanistan
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> They knew an ISIS attack was highly likely. What a bunch of
>>>>>> >>> morons
>>>>>> >>> to have
>>>>>> >>> a system, a procedure in place, where 13 marines can get killed
>>>>>> >>> at
>>>>>> >>> once.
>>>>>> >>> They were doing pat downs, relying on the Taliban to have
>>>>>> >>> screened
>>>>>> >>> them first.
>>>>>> >>> How stupid is that, given the nature of this threat and 20 years
>>>>>> >>> of
>>>>>> >>> experience?
>>>>>> >>> But it fits right in with Biden's nonsense, where he talks like
>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>> >>> Taliban are our
>>>>>> >>> allies now. The procedure should have been the marines are
>>>>>> >>> behind a heavy sand bag or similar structure, with just a viewing
>>>>>> >>> window. People
>>>>>> >>> approach one at a time, stop 25 feet away, lift up their clothes,
>>>>>> >>> show if they
>>>>>> >>> have anything underneath. Spread out any bags to show there is
>>>>>> >>> nothing there
>>>>>> >>> or don't allow bags. At most, one or two marines might have
>>>>>> >>> been
>>>>>> >>> wounded,
>>>>>> >>> but you wouldn't have this disaster. This isn't rocket science.
>>>>>> >>> And I saw that
>>>>>> >>> idiot Gen McKenzie on TV saying there was no other way. I just
>>>>>> >>> cited one.
>>>>>> >>> What a ship of fools.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I agree. Now they retaliate with a drone strike that they state
>>>>>> >> took
>>>>>> >> out two
>>>>>> >> top ISIS people. This leads to the question why they didn't do
>>>>>> >> this
>>>>>> >> prior to
>>>>>> >> the bombing if they knew who they were? So on past history are
>>>>>> >> they
>>>>>> >> lying now,
>>>>>> >> lying before, or sticking to their lying ways? Maybe they just
>>>>>> >> killed
>>>>>> >> two
>>>>>> >> random people. Who knows what to believe. This is only the
>>>>>> >> start...
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >https://www.rt.com/usa/533035-us-drone-pilots-afghanistan-leak-footage/
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Truth or bullshit? IDK.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >https://www.theriseeast.com/global/isi-linked-pakistani-aslam-farooqui-is-the-mastermind-behind-kabul-airport-attack/
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >I would think if they got Farooqui it would be shouted from the
>>>>>> >rooftops. Even if they did blow up the 'mastermind', they've blown
>>>>>> >up
>>>>>> >past masterminds. Those people breed masterminds like goats.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Collateral Damage is just the "rub of the green" in warfare. During
>>>>>> WWII "Bomber Harris" (Air Marshal RAF) perfected the carpet bombing
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> cities. Curtis LeMay bested him by adding napalm in Japan. Then we
>>>>>> nuked them ... twice.
>>>>>> That was "the good war".
>>>>>
>>>>> And the last one we won...
>>>>
>>>>More mindless bullshit with Korea, the first Gulf War etc etc etc.
>>>
>>> Korea? If you call fighting 4 years to end up 200 miles worse off than
>>> you were 3 years ago a win you have a strange standard you go by.
>>
>>Even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should
>>have noticed that south korea is doing fine.
>>
> Winning implies wee beat someone.

We did.

> The Kims are still running North Korea

But not south korea, fuckwit.

> or are you saying that is just fine too?

Its their country, fuckwit.

>>> The first gulf war would have been a win if GHWB had
>>> just picked up our stuff and came home after he liberated
>>> Kuwait but he had to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

>>More of your mindless bullshit. He sensibly chose not to invade Iraq.
>>
>>
> But he kept bombing them

More of you bare faced lies.

On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 2:46:03 PM UTC-5, Tek...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 13:09:58 -0400, gfre...@aol.com posted for all of us to
> digest...

> > Collateral Damage is just the "rub of the green" in warfare. During
> > WWII "Bomber Harris" (Air Marshal RAF) perfected the carpet bombing of
> > cities. Curtis LeMay bested him by adding napalm in Japan. Then we
> > nuked them ... twice.
> > That was "the good war".
>
> And the last one we won...
>
> --
> Tekkie

This is nitpicky but the United States hasn't been in a declared war since WWII. Everything since has been
a conflict or whatever.
The news people keep saying we're ending our longest war by leaving Afghanistan. Twenty years of Afghanistan compared to sixty eight and counting in Korea. I wonder what criteria the news people are using.

In article <82610e2a-a6ef-44f2-a1fa-79ec45bdbbaan@googlegroups.com>,
deanh6929@gmail.com says...
>
> This is nitpicky but the United States hasn't been in a declared war since WWII. Everything since has been
> a conflict or whatever.
> The news people keep saying we're ending our longest war by leaving Afghanistan. Twenty years of Afghanistan compared to sixty eight and counting in Korea. I wonder what criteria the news people are using.
>
>

The way I look at it is that any time the military is involved in
shooting in another country it is a war. Call it what ever you want.
From the end of WW2 all the 'actions' have only involved getting a bunch
of our people killed and almost no results.

It is mostly political actions. The way I look at is the civilian
government should declare what the objective is and step back and let
the military do what ever is needed to obtain the objective.

Maybe the Desert Storm was one of the few actions like that. Go do
something and get out.

On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-4, Tek...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:17:03 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest...
>
> >
> > On 08/28/2021 05:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 8/28/2021 6:08 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> > >> In article <sgdr7e$37l$1...@dont-email.me>, "frank "@frank.net says...
> > >>>
> > >>>> They may not all start out too dishonest, but the longer they stay in
> > >>>> office the more dishonest they get. Biden had been around over 40
> > >>>> years.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> That is a problem living in the swamp. We need term limits for all.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> We do not need term limits as they can be voted out at the end of each
> > >> term.. What we do need is a limit on the Supreme court. Almost all of
> > >> them seem to die in office. No easy way to remove any of them.
> > >>
> > >> I am all for them being 'retired' out of court when they reach the
> > >> social security age. We need some younger ones in office instead of the
> > >> older ones.
> > >>
> > >>
> > > The Republican Party platform says we should have term limits. They
> > > never push it though. While we CAN vote them out of office, it does not
> > > happen very often. How else can you account for McConnell, Pelosi,
> > > Graham and a bunch of others. In principle I agree with you but in
> > > reality, we need limits.
> > >
> > > As for the Supreme Court. the law is the law and the Constitution is the
> > > same. What would younger people do that older ones cannot do?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > If the la is the law and the Constitution is the same, why all the
> > hullabaloo about court appointees? The law is what 9 justices say it is.
> > Once positive law supersedes natural law a society is circling the drain.
>
> How the heck can anyone follow the laws if SCOTUS doesn't have a unanimous
> ruling?

What's so hard? The SC issues a ruling based on a majority, that ruling is
then the decision of the SC.

They are written by lawyers, for lawyers. SCOTUS interprets the laws vs
> the Constitution, state judges do the same. It's Kabuki theater.
>
> --
> Tekkie

What would you suggest? Flip a coin?
Geez.

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 16:03:58 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com posted for all of us to
digest...

>
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:46:01 -0400, Tekkie© <Tekkie@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 13:09:58 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com posted for all of us to
> >digest...
> >
> >>
> >> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:37:54 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 08/28/2021 12:14 PM, Tekkie? wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:09:14 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of us to
> >> >> digest...
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And another thing. A whole bunch of people need to resign or be fired.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Blinken
> >> >>> NSA, whoever that dumb kid is
> >> >>> General Milley
> >> >>> Lloyd Austin
> >> >>> General McKenzie, the commander in Afghanistan
> >> >>>
> >> >>> They knew an ISIS attack was highly likely. What a bunch of morons to have
> >> >>> a system, a procedure in place, where 13 marines can get killed at once.
> >> >>> They were doing pat downs, relying on the Taliban to have screened them first.
> >> >>> How stupid is that, given the nature of this threat and 20 years of experience?
> >> >>> But it fits right in with Biden's nonsense, where he talks like the Taliban are our
> >> >>> allies now. The procedure should have been the marines are
> >> >>> behind a heavy sand bag or similar structure, with just a viewing window. People
> >> >>> approach one at a time, stop 25 feet away, lift up their clothes, show if they
> >> >>> have anything underneath. Spread out any bags to show there is nothing there
> >> >>> or don't allow bags. At most, one or two marines might have been wounded,
> >> >>> but you wouldn't have this disaster. This isn't rocket science. And I saw that
> >> >>> idiot Gen McKenzie on TV saying there was no other way. I just cited one.
> >> >>> What a ship of fools.
> >> >>
> >> >> I agree. Now they retaliate with a drone strike that they state took out two
> >> >> top ISIS people. This leads to the question why they didn't do this prior to
> >> >> the bombing if they knew who they were? So on past history are they lying now,
> >> >> lying before, or sticking to their lying ways? Maybe they just killed two
> >> >> random people. Who knows what to believe. This is only the start...
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >https://www.rt.com/usa/533035-us-drone-pilots-afghanistan-leak-footage/
> >> >
> >> >Truth or bullshit? IDK.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.theriseeast.com/global/isi-linked-pakistani-aslam-farooqui-is-the-mastermind-behind-kabul-airport-attack/
> >> >
> >> >I would think if they got Farooqui it would be shouted from the
> >> >rooftops. Even if they did blow up the 'mastermind', they've blown up
> >> >past masterminds. Those people breed masterminds like goats.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Collateral Damage is just the "rub of the green" in warfare. During
> >> WWII "Bomber Harris" (Air Marshal RAF) perfected the carpet bombing of
> >> cities. Curtis LeMay bested him by adding napalm in Japan. Then we
> >> nuked them ... twice.
> >> That was "the good war".
> >
> >And the last one we won...
>
> Come on man. We kicked some serious construction worker ass in
> Grenada. Didn't you see Heartbreak Ridge?

I saw the movie, forgot the war.

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Tekkie

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 06:44:33 +1000, Alex posted for all of us to digest...

>
> Tekkie© <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote
> > On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 13:09:58 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com posted for all of us
> > to
> > digest...
> >
> >>
> >> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:37:54 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 08/28/2021 12:14 PM, Tekkie? wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 05:09:14 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of
> >> >> us to
> >> >> digest...
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And another thing. A whole bunch of people need to resign or be
> >> >>> fired.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Blinken
> >> >>> NSA, whoever that dumb kid is
> >> >>> General Milley
> >> >>> Lloyd Austin
> >> >>> General McKenzie, the commander in Afghanistan
> >> >>>
> >> >>> They knew an ISIS attack was highly likely. What a bunch of morons
> >> >>> to have
> >> >>> a system, a procedure in place, where 13 marines can get killed at
> >> >>> once.
> >> >>> They were doing pat downs, relying on the Taliban to have screened
> >> >>> them first.
> >> >>> How stupid is that, given the nature of this threat and 20 years of
> >> >>> experience?
> >> >>> But it fits right in with Biden's nonsense, where he talks like the
> >> >>> Taliban are our
> >> >>> allies now. The procedure should have been the marines are
> >> >>> behind a heavy sand bag or similar structure, with just a viewing
> >> >>> window. People
> >> >>> approach one at a time, stop 25 feet away, lift up their clothes,
> >> >>> show if they
> >> >>> have anything underneath. Spread out any bags to show there is
> >> >>> nothing there
> >> >>> or don't allow bags. At most, one or two marines might have been
> >> >>> wounded,
> >> >>> but you wouldn't have this disaster. This isn't rocket science.
> >> >>> And I saw that
> >> >>> idiot Gen McKenzie on TV saying there was no other way. I just
> >> >>> cited one.
> >> >>> What a ship of fools.
> >> >>
> >> >> I agree. Now they retaliate with a drone strike that they state took
> >> >> out two
> >> >> top ISIS people. This leads to the question why they didn't do this
> >> >> prior to
> >> >> the bombing if they knew who they were? So on past history are they
> >> >> lying now,
> >> >> lying before, or sticking to their lying ways? Maybe they just killed
> >> >> two
> >> >> random people. Who knows what to believe. This is only the start...
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >https://www.rt.com/usa/533035-us-drone-pilots-afghanistan-leak-footage/
> >> >
> >> >Truth or bullshit? IDK.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.theriseeast.com/global/isi-linked-pakistani-aslam-farooqui-is-the-mastermind-behind-kabul-airport-attack/
> >> >
> >> >I would think if they got Farooqui it would be shouted from the
> >> >rooftops. Even if they did blow up the 'mastermind', they've blown up
> >> >past masterminds. Those people breed masterminds like goats.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Collateral Damage is just the "rub of the green" in warfare. During
> >> WWII "Bomber Harris" (Air Marshal RAF) perfected the carpet bombing of
> >> cities. Curtis LeMay bested him by adding napalm in Japan. Then we
> >> nuked them ... twice.
> >> That was "the good war".
> >
> > And the last one we won...
>
> More mindless bullshit with Korea, the first Gulf War etc etc etc.

Ok Alexander the gomer, what ever you say.

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Tekkie

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 10:15:42 -0400, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

>In article <82610e2a-a6ef-44f2-a1fa-79ec45bdbbaan@googlegroups.com>,
>deanh6929@gmail.com says...
>>
>> This is nitpicky but the United States hasn't been in a declared war since WWII. Everything since has been
>> a conflict or whatever.
>> The news people keep saying we're ending our longest war by leaving Afghanistan. Twenty years of Afghanistan compared to sixty eight and counting in Korea. I wonder what criteria the news people are using.
>>
>>
>
>The way I look at it is that any time the military is involved in
>shooting in another country it is a war. Call it what ever you want.
>From the end of WW2 all the 'actions' have only involved getting a bunch
>of our people killed and almost no results.
>
>It is mostly political actions. The way I look at is the civilian
>government should declare what the objective is and step back and let
>the military do what ever is needed to obtain the objective.
>
>Maybe the Desert Storm was one of the few actions like that. Go do
>something and get out.

Alas we didn't get out tho. The Neocons made up an excuse to keep the
war against Iraq going until they could invade on another lie.

We did kill Saddam but like the death of Qdaffy it just resulted in
chaos that allowed a terrorist sanctuary to arise from the ashes.

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 04:31:31 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman posted for all of us to
digest...

>
> On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 2:46:03 PM UTC-5, Tek...@comcast.net wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 13:09:58 -0400, gfre...@aol.com posted for all of us to
> > digest...
>
> > > Collateral Damage is just the "rub of the green" in warfare. During
> > > WWII "Bomber Harris" (Air Marshal RAF) perfected the carpet bombing of
> > > cities. Curtis LeMay bested him by adding napalm in Japan. Then we
> > > nuked them ... twice.
> > > That was "the good war".
> >
> > And the last one we won...
> >
> > --
> > Tekkie
>
> This is nitpicky but the United States hasn't been in a declared war since WWII. Everything since has been
> a conflict or whatever.
> The news people keep saying we're ending our longest war by leaving Afghanistan. Twenty years of Afghanistan compared to sixty eight and counting in Korea. I wonder what criteria the news people are using.

If asked the MSM would not know. They only know conflict, domestic or abroad,
they foment it and shape it to fit their agenda.

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Tekkie

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 08:30:04 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of us to
digest...

>
> What's so hard? The SC issues a ruling based on a majority, that ruling is
> then the decision of the SC.
>

Then why doesn't your buddy Joe follow it?

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Tekkie

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 14:59:55 -0400, Tekkie© <Tekkie@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 08:30:04 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of us to
>digest...
>
>>
>> What's so hard? The SC issues a ruling based on a majority, that ruling is
>> then the decision of the SC.
>>
>
>Then why doesn't your buddy Joe follow it?

As Mad Maxine says "Who is going to stop them? Who is going to
penalize them?"