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by: olade - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 02:18 UTC

A few hypersonic will put an end to US carriers at seas. An encirclement on
them will put them into the pockets after stalled. It will end US navy
completely.

US thinking of defending some countries is a dream. US navy admirals do not
want to die with their men at seas for fighting for nobody before finishing
their career term.

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by: Rusty Wyse - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:00 UTC

On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 7:18:29 PM UTC-7, olade wrote:
> A few hypersonic will put an end to US carriers at seas. An encirclement on
> them will put them into the pockets after stalled. It will end US navy
> completely.
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> US thinking of defending some countries is a dream. US navy admirals do not
> want to die with their men at seas for fighting for nobody before finishing
> their career term.

Today is NOT the 1940s... The 8,000 miles of ocean is a huge obstacle for the U.S. to fight a war in the Asia area. Plus, China's hypersonic weapons can reach every corner of the world... Plus, we have seen the results of the Vietnam War, the Afghanistan War,... There is no way the U.S. can win a war in Asia against China...

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> Can the US Navy fight and win a war?
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"olade" wrote in message news:sl7ohi$6kt$1@dont-email.me...
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> A few hypersonic will put an end to US carriers at seas.

A few responding ICBMs will put an end to China as an entity...

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by: Rusty Wyse - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:43 UTC

On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:32:14 AM UTC-7, Byker wrote:
> "olade" wrote in message news:sl7ohi$6kt$1...@dont-email.me...
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> > A few hypersonic will put an end to US carriers at seas.
> A few responding ICBMs will put an end to China as an entity...

Hummmm!!! ICBMs....
And we have to depend on Russia for rocket engines...
even our Space Station...
We need Russia to supply our space station...
We sold billions of dollars of defensive weapons to Saudi Arabia...
It can't even prevent an attack from Iran's missile attack...

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On 10/26/2021 12:32 PM, Byker wrote:
> "olade" wrote in message news:sl7ohi$6kt$1@dont-email.me...
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>> A few hypersonic will put an end to US carriers at seas.
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> A few responding ICBMs will put an end to China as an entity...

If Americans stopped purchasing Chinese goods, China could not afford to
manufacture Hyper-sonic missiles and would be very busy trying to
feed well over a Billion out of work Chinese citizens. At which point
a devastating nuclear attack on China would actually be doing the ruling
order there a favor. Isn't it about time to bring back heavy industry to
America? That is what won WWII. I cannot fathom why the Chinese would
want a war with anyone at this time. They are not short of
Liebensraum(sp) and being a Capitalist Communist Nation have a better
living standard then they have had for centuries.

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by: Rusty Wyse - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 18:00 UTC

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 2:41:04 AM UTC-7, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> On 10/26/2021 12:32 PM, Byker wrote:
> > "olade" wrote in message news:sl7ohi$6kt$1...@dont-email.me...
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> >> A few hypersonic will put an end to US carriers at seas.
> >
> > A few responding ICBMs will put an end to China as an entity...
> If Americans stopped purchasing Chinese goods,

Today's world has more than just one country. The U.S. does not dominate anywhere today. Face the fact!!!

>China could not afford to
> manufacture Hyper-sonic missiles

China had hypersonic weapons for over 40 years...

> and would be very busy trying to
> feed well over a Billion out of work Chinese citizens.

China's BRI connects the world to China...
As the Romans used to say...
"All roads lead to China..."

> At which point
> a devastating nuclear attack on China would actually be doing the ruling
> order there a favor.

The U.S. has nukes...
Russia has nukes...
China has nukes...
Pakistan has nukes...
Even little Israel has nukes...
You just toast mankind...
No one can survive nuke-war...

> Isn't it about time to bring back heavy industry to
> America?

We have them... Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed-Martin, General Dynamic,...
And a lot more...

> That is what won WWII.

And that was how many years ago???
A lot has changed, hasn't it. China connected their whole country with bullet trains within 10 years and their bullet trains are full of riders. We just had a train wreck in Idaho which killed 3 people...
In 10 years, we can't even get our bullet train-track out of the city limit of Fresno, California. China's freeways are full of cars traveling in every direction. We got bumper-to-bumper traffic jams...
.... A lot has changed...

> I cannot fathom why the Chinese would
> want a war with anyone at this time.

After the Vietnam War, after the Afghanistan War,...
Do we need another war anywhere around the world???
Can we even afford to fight a war against China? We can't even beat third-rate countries like Vietnam and Afghanistan... How can we defeat China with their modern weapons??? plus 4 times our population??? China even out-produce us...

>They are not short of
> Liebensraum(sp) and being a Capitalist Communist Nation have a better
> living standard then they have had for centuries.

And Chinese people are traveling all over the world...
And they all return to China!!! Isn't that amazing for a communist country!!!!
Yeah!!! A communist country with many many billionaires!!!! like Jack Ma

Forbes list of Chinese billionaires (converted into USD) and is based on an annual assessment of wealth and assets compiled and published by Forbes magazine in 2021.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_by_net_worth
2021 Chinese billionaires top 30 list
Rank Name Net worth (USD) Citizenship Sources of wealth
1 Zhong Shanshan 68.9 billion China beverages, pharmaceuticals
Nongfu Spring/Beijing Wantai Biological Pharmacy

2 Ma Huateng 65.8 billion China internet media
Tencent Holdings

3 Colin Huang 55.3 billion China e-commerce
pinduoduo

4 Jack Ma 48.4 billion China e-commerce
Alibaba Group

5 Wang Wei 39.0 billion China package delivery
SF Express

6 He Xiangjian 37.7 billion China home appliances
Midea Group Co. Ltd

7 Zhang Yiming 35.6 billion China internet media
ByteDance

8 Qin Yinglin 33.5 billion China pig breeding
China's Muyuan Foodstuff

9 William Ding 33.0 billion China online games
Netease

10 Yang Huiyan 29.6 billion China real estate
Country Garden Holdings

11 Robin Zeng 28.4 billion China batteries
Contemporary Amperex Technology (CATL)

12 Xu Jiayin 27.7 billion China real estate
Evergrand Group

13 Pang Kang 26.4 billion China agribusiness
Haitian Flavoring & Food

14 Wang Xing 26.1 billion China e-commerce
Meituan

15 Jiang Rensheng 24.4 billion China vaccines
Zhifei

16 Zhang Zhidong 23.4 billion China internet media
Tencent Holdings

17 Lei Jun 23.0 billion China internet company
Xiaomi

18 Liu Qiangdong 22.4 billion China e-commerce
JD.com

19 Li Xiting 21.5 billion Singapore[4] medical devices
Mindray

20 Li Shufu 19.7 billion China automobiles
Geely Automobile Holdings

20 Zhong Huijuan 19.7 billion China pharmaceuticals
22 Xu Hang 19.5 billion China medical devices
23 Sun Piaoyang 18.9 billion China pharmaceuticals
24 Wu Yajun 18.3 billion China real estate
25 Fan Hongwei 18.2 billion China petrochemicals
26 Chen Bang 17.9 billion China hospitals
27 Su Hua 17.8 billion China video streaming
28 Wang Chuanfu 16.3 billion China batteries, automobiles
29 Chen Zhiping 15.9 billion China e-cigarettes
30 Wei Jianjun 15.9 billion China automobiles

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by: Byker - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 21:14 UTC

"PaxPerPoten" wrote in message news:slb6rd$a8h$1@dont-email.me...
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> I cannot fathom why the Chinese would want a war with anyone at this time.

Since they're already committed, they won't DARE back down. That would mean
an unforgivable "loss of face". Something you find among Orientals just
about everywhere is this infatuation with "death before dishonor." They'd
rather DIE than be "humiliated." Fine. We'll oblige them...

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by: Rusty Wyse - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:40 UTC

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 2:14:41 PM UTC-7, Byker wrote:
> "PaxPerPoten" wrote in message news:slb6rd$a8h$1...@dont-email.me...
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> > I cannot fathom why the Chinese would want a war with anyone at this time.
> Since they're already committed, they won't DARE back down. That would mean
> an unforgivable "loss of face". Something you find among Orientals just
> about everywhere is this infatuation with "death before dishonor." They'd
> rather DIE than be "humiliated." Fine. We'll oblige them...

No one wants to die, stupid...
Racist idiot...

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by: .kitaro.. - Sun, 13 Mar 2022 16:00 UTC

"Rusty Wyse" wrote in message
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Can the US Navy fight and win a war?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/can-the-us-navy-fight-and-win-a-war/ar-AAPVHgC?ocid=msedgntp

Yes, US Navy is a force to be reckoned and hence is able to fight a war. If
not, how come they are still around after many years of supreme power in the
seas.

Henceforth, many countries also build up the naval force. But they do not
have the budget and manpower and aircrafts to maintain their navy force.

Most of them floundered and flunked their naval capacity and capability and
their aircraft carrier, aircraft and manpower become tired from sea manning.

Hence the manpower on board their ships get retired and hence often have to
their docks for shore leaves to be with their loved ones.

In short, they rest forever under "rest and recreation" or }shore leave".

Harp not on that string. -- William Shakespeare, "Henry VI"

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Subject	Author
Can the US Navy fight and win a war?	Rusty Wyse
Re: Can the US Navy fight and win a war?	olade
Re: Can the US Navy fight and win a war?	Rusty Wyse
Re: Can the US Navy fight and win a war?	Byker
Re: Can the US Navy fight and win a war?	Rusty Wyse
Re: Can the US Navy fight and win a war?	PaxPerPoten
Re: Can the US Navy fight and win a war?	Rusty Wyse
Re: Can the US Navy fight and win a war?	Byker
Re: Can the US Navy fight and win a war?	Rusty Wyse
Re: Can the US Navy fight and win a war?	.kitaro..