In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Apr 2024 19:17:53 GMT,
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

>rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 12:04:40 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the correction. You're absolutely correct. I watched all
>>> the TV westerns back then and when you see people on galloping horses
>>> out west, for me, it's easy to conflate them all. At least I got the
>>> name of Roy Roger's horse right!
>>
>>https://www.dailynews.com/2010/01/14/end-of-the-trail-for-roy-rogers-
>>museum/
>>
>>I knew Trigger was in the Victorville museum but wasn't aware it had been
>>moved to Branson before it failed. I wonder where Trigger is these days?
>
>Paywalled.
>
>In any case, nobody born after 1960 would even know who Roy Rogers

My nephew thinks he invented the drive-through window.

>was, much less Trigger.

Make sure the roast beef sandwiches are made from beef.

>I have several of my Father's Roy Rogers
>and the _fillintheblank_ adventure books, but I suspect they are also
>rather rare now; without them I'd not be familiar with RR at all.

On 4/17/2024 3:35 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Apr 2024 19:17:53 GMT,
> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 12:04:40 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the correction. You're absolutely correct. I watched all
>>>> the TV westerns back then and when you see people on galloping horses
>>>> out west, for me, it's easy to conflate them all. At least I got the
>>>> name of Roy Roger's horse right!
>>>
>>> https://www.dailynews.com/2010/01/14/end-of-the-trail-for-roy-rogers-
>>> museum/
>>>
>>> I knew Trigger was in the Victorville museum but wasn't aware it had been
>>> moved to Branson before it failed. I wonder where Trigger is these days?
>>
>> Paywalled.
>>
>> In any case, nobody born after 1960 would even know who Roy Rogers
>
> My nephew thinks he invented the drive-through window.
>
>> was, much less Trigger.
>
> Make sure the roast beef sandwiches are made from beef.
>
>> I have several of my Father's Roy Rogers
>> and the _fillintheblank_ adventure books, but I suspect they are also
>> rather rare now; without them I'd not be familiar with RR at all.

Seems Mr. Google has conflicting information on who really did.

In 1931, a California Pig Stand franchise introduced a drive-through
service that bypassed the carhops. The first identified drive through
restaurant was established in 1947 at Red's Giant Hamburg located in
Springfield, Missouri.

In-N-Out is credited as the first chain to have a two-way speaker system
for drive-thru orders. Founder Harry Snyder invented the system from his
garage in 1948. The innovation meant customers didn't have to leave
their cars or speak to an employee face-to-face.

Wendy's introduced the first modern drive through to the world; what
Dave Thomas coined the “Pick-Up Window”. This innovation was so
revolutionary that customers needed instructions on how to talk through
the speaker to place an order.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:29:00 -0400, Ed P wrote:

> Wendy's introduced the first modern drive through to the world; what
> Dave Thomas coined the “Pick-Up Window”. This innovation was so
> revolutionary that customers needed instructions on how to talk through
> the speaker to place an order.

What a devolution from the days of carhops. By coincidence I watched
'American Graffiti' last week. Poking around later I found one site
claiming when they tried to auction the cars after the movie was done the
only one to move was the '58 Impala that went for a few hundred.

On 4/17/2024 7:08 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:29:00 -0400, Ed P wrote:
>
>> Wendy's introduced the first modern drive through to the world; what
>> Dave Thomas coined the “Pick-Up Window”. This innovation was so
>> revolutionary that customers needed instructions on how to talk through
>> the speaker to place an order.
>
> What a devolution from the days of carhops. By coincidence I watched
> 'American Graffiti' last week. Poking around later I found one site
> claiming when they tried to auction the cars after the movie was done the
> only one to move was the '58 Impala that went for a few hundred.

I'd have though they would bring a decent price but it seems vintage
cars are not the hobby they were for us.

Most Friday and Saturday nights we'd go to a place with car hops for
burgers. One night in 1962 we met a few girls there too. Married one
of them in 1966.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 20:01:24 -0400, Ed P wrote:

> I'd have though they would bring a decent price but it seems vintage
> cars are not the hobby they were for us.

Don't forget 'after the movie was done' was 1973 iirc. I can see people
taking a pass on the Edsel and the Citroen 2CV.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/archived/american-graffiti-deuce-coupe/

According to that site the Deuce coupe and '55 Chevy were sold too.

It is a fickle hobby. I was at an auction in Indianapolis in the '80s when
a beautifully restored '61 Corvair was wheeled out. The bidding didn't
even hit the reserve. The auctioneer finally told the owner that he could
withdraw the car but the bids reflected what he could expect. Fat fenders
were in that year.

James Dean more or less grew up in Fairmount IN so they have an annual
Dean Festival. Bathtub Mercs come out of the woodwork. I salivated.

On 2024-04-18, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
> On 4/17/2024 7:08 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:29:00 -0400, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> Wendy's introduced the first modern drive through to the world; what
>>> Dave Thomas coined the “Pick-Up Window”. This innovation was so
>>> revolutionary that customers needed instructions on how to talk through
>>> the speaker to place an order.
>>
>> What a devolution from the days of carhops. By coincidence I watched
>> 'American Graffiti' last week. Poking around later I found one site
>> claiming when they tried to auction the cars after the movie was done the
>> only one to move was the '58 Impala that went for a few hundred.
>
> I'd have though they would bring a decent price but it seems vintage
> cars are not the hobby they were for us.

You simply live in the wrong place.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g44866890/2023-woodward-dream-cruise-coolest-cars/

Bear in mind that cars which were new when you were young are now
classics. And that "coolest cars" is one guy's opinion.

You might be able to find some better stuff if you search for video.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 4/17/2024 3:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 12:04:40 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the correction. You're absolutely correct. I watched all
>>> the TV westerns back then and when you see people on galloping horses
>>> out west, for me, it's easy to conflate them all. At least I got the
>>> name of Roy Roger's horse right!
>>
>> https://www.dailynews.com/2010/01/14/end-of-the-trail-for-roy-rogers-
>> museum/
>>
>> I knew Trigger was in the Victorville museum but wasn't aware it had been
>> moved to Branson before it failed. I wonder where Trigger is these days?
>
> Paywalled.
>
> In any case, nobody born after 1960 would even know who Roy Rogers
> was, much less Trigger. I have several of my Father's Roy Rogers
> and the _fillintheblank_ adventure books, but I suspect they are also
> rather rare now; without them I'd not be familiar with RR at all.
>

Even our language has become a puzzlement to the generations that
followed those of us who were born in the mid-40s and remember the
earliest days of TV availability. I've been asked why do we say "dial"
a number? Why do I say "the phone is "ringing"? or"type" a letter?
etc. I'm well aware of movie stars and big bands from the 30s and 40s,
but these days, most youngsters knowledge base rarely includes popular
culture icons prior to their own birth dates (with rare exceptions, e.g.
the Beatles. They likely never heard of or saw or handled a slide rule
and possibly not even a stand-alone pocket calculator or a transistor
radio. Naturally, the opposite is also true. I often have no idea what
and/or who they're talking about!

On 2024-04-18, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

> Even our language has become a puzzlement to the generations that
> followed those of us who were born in the mid-40s and remember the
> earliest days of TV availability. I've been asked why do we say "dial"
> a number? Why do I say "the phone is "ringing"? or"type" a letter?
> etc. I'm well aware of movie stars and big bands from the 30s and 40s,

Youngsters won't watch anything in black and white.

I was recently surprised to learn that Captain Kangaroo's outfit was
red, since I watched him exclusively on a black-and-white television.
I thought it was blue.

It made no nevermind to me how old a movie was. I remember how
thrilling Fritz Lang's "M" was when I saw it at about 1 am on TV.
This was 40-45 years after its release. Of course, "The Terminator"
is 40 years old now.

> but these days, most youngsters knowledge base rarely includes popular
> culture icons prior to their own birth dates (with rare exceptions, e.g.
> the Beatles.

Even they're not a sure thing. In the 1980s, I knew a teacher who
had a student say, "You mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?"

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 4/18/2024 12:03 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-04-18, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
>> Even our language has become a puzzlement to the generations that
>> followed those of us who were born in the mid-40s and remember the
>> earliest days of TV availability. I've been asked why do we say "dial"
>> a number? Why do I say "the phone is "ringing"? or"type" a letter?
>> etc. I'm well aware of movie stars and big bands from the 30s and 40s,
>
> Youngsters won't watch anything in black and white.

My wife taught film criticism at a prestigious university for 14 years.
She frequently came home shaking her head at the prejudices and
ignorance of many of her students when it came to knowing about or
willingness to learn about films made before they were teenagers. (She
often wondered why they took her course, which was an elective, if they
expressed disinterest in learning about the subject.) "Alfred
Hitchcock, never heard of him. Which movie was he in?" etc. etc.
>
> I was recently surprised to learn that Captain Kangaroo's outfit was
> red, since I watched him exclusively on a black-and-white television.
> I thought it was blue.
>
> It made no nevermind to me how old a movie was. I remember how
> thrilling Fritz Lang's "M" was when I saw it at about 1 am on TV.
> This was 40-45 years after its release. Of course, "The Terminator"
> is 40 years old now.
>
>> but these days, most youngsters knowledge base rarely includes popular
>> culture icons prior to their own birth dates (with rare exceptions, e.g.
>> the Beatles.
>
> Even they're not a sure thing. In the 1980s, I knew a teacher who
> had a student say, "You mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?"
>

I believe that our home environment as a child has a lot to do with what
we know and what is of interest to us. At least that's my situation.
My parents were smart enough to encourage and nurture my natural
curiosity. One of my earliest gifts when I was about 8 was a
phonograph. The row house they bought in Queens County, NYC was
exceedingly modest and came with a beat up old upright piano in the
unfinished basement. My mother had taken extensive piano lessons as a
child. My parents had very little money to spare but had the piano
refurbished and when I expressed pleasure at hearing my mother play, I
was offered lessons. I ended up taking lessons for almost a decade.
For gifts, I received records of classical piano music to play on my
phonograph. I enjoyed it. Then when Lenny Bernstein announced the
Young People's Concerts at Carnegie Hall, they really couldn't afford it
but got tickets for me to attend every single one of them. And so the
love and appreciation of classical music grew. I developed a life-long
knowledge and love of classical music that far exceeds that of either of
my parents. It's only a hobby of mine, but my favorite hobby. Just one
example.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Apr 2024 20:01:24 -0400, Ed P
<esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 4/17/2024 7:08 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:29:00 -0400, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>> Wendy's introduced the first modern drive through to the world; what
>>> Dave Thomas coined the “Pick-Up Window”. This innovation was so
>>> revolutionary that customers needed instructions on how to talk through
>>> the speaker to place an order.
>>
>> What a devolution from the days of carhops. By coincidence I watched
>> 'American Graffiti' last week. Poking around later I found one site
>> claiming when they tried to auction the cars after the movie was done the
>> only one to move was the '58 Impala that went for a few hundred.
>
>I'd have though they would bring a decent price but it seems vintage
>cars are not the hobby they were for us.
>
>Most Friday and Saturday nights we'd go to a place with car hops for
>burgers. One night in 1962 we met a few girls there too. Married one
>of them in 1966.

That was the trouble with some drive-ins. It seemed like to get your
order it took years.

On 4/18/2024 2:34 PM, Retirednoguilt wrote:

>
> I believe that our home environment as a child has a lot to do with what
> we know and what is of interest to us. At least that's my situation.
> My parents were smart enough to encourage and nurture my natural
> curiosity. One of my earliest gifts when I was about 8 was a
> phonograph. The row house they bought in Queens County, NYC was
> exceedingly modest and came with a beat up old upright piano in the
> unfinished basement. My mother had taken extensive piano lessons as a
> child. My parents had very little money to spare but had the piano
> refurbished and when I expressed pleasure at hearing my mother play, I
> was offered lessons. I ended up taking lessons for almost a decade.
> For gifts, I received records of classical piano music to play on my
> phonograph. I enjoyed it. Then when Lenny Bernstein announced the
> Young People's Concerts at Carnegie Hall, they really couldn't afford it
> but got tickets for me to attend every single one of them. And so the
> love and appreciation of classical music grew. I developed a life-long
> knowledge and love of classical music that far exceeds that of either of
> my parents. It's only a hobby of mine, but my favorite hobby. Just one
> example.

Sounds like you had great parents. We had a piano and my mother and
sister played, I had no real interest and I don't think the talent for
it either. Tried a bit many years later.

Always had music in the house. Still do. Music and associated memories.
Whenever I hear Ebb Tide I'm transported back to my 1950s home. The
78 RPM phonograph was in the dining room. Many other association with
people and places.

I go to sleep listening to music every night and music is playing now.

On 18 Apr 2024 08:35:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Bear in mind that cars which were new when you were young are now
> classics. And that "coolest cars" is one guy's opinion.

I had a black '62 Lincoln. The curb weight was around 5400 pounds
propelled by a 430 ci engine. It got about 20 mpg on the highway
comparable to some of the current SUVs.

There are several car shows here during the summer. It is a shock to see
some of the stuff I drove in the '60s and '70s that were nothing special
show up as classics.

Speaking of classics I watched the new Fallout series. I wonder how many
viewers identified the Kaiser Darrin and Messerschmitt. I'd like to have a
Messerschmitt but not 50 grand worth.

https://classiccars.com/listings/find/all-years/messerschmitt

There were others I could identify that were rusted out hulks. Amazon must
have raided every junkyard in 5 states to get their collection.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
>In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Apr 2024 20:01:24 -0400, Ed P
><esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>>On 4/17/2024 7:08 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:29:00 -0400, Ed P wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wendy's introduced the first modern drive through to the world; what
>>>> Dave Thomas coined the �Pick-Up Window�. This innovation was so
>>>> revolutionary that customers needed instructions on how to talk through
>>>> the speaker to place an order.
>>>
>>> What a devolution from the days of carhops. By coincidence I watched
>>> 'American Graffiti' last week. Poking around later I found one site
>>> claiming when they tried to auction the cars after the movie was done the
>>> only one to move was the '58 Impala that went for a few hundred.
>>
>>I'd have though they would bring a decent price but it seems vintage
>>cars are not the hobby they were for us.
>>
>>Most Friday and Saturday nights we'd go to a place with car hops for
>>burgers. One night in 1962 we met a few girls there too. Married one
>>of them in 1966.
>
>That was the trouble with some drive-ins. It seemed like to get your
>order it took years.

A&W used to give baby mugs of rootbeer for free to kids. We'd
get one for the dachshund.

https://awrestaurants.com/blog/complete-history-aw-baby-mug

On 4/18/2024 3:12 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 18 Apr 2024 08:35:48 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>> Bear in mind that cars which were new when you were young are now
>> classics. And that "coolest cars" is one guy's opinion.
>
> I had a black '62 Lincoln. The curb weight was around 5400 pounds
> propelled by a 430 ci engine. It got about 20 mpg on the highway
> comparable to some of the current SUVs.
>
> There are several car shows here during the summer. It is a shock to see
> some of the stuff I drove in the '60s and '70s that were nothing special
> show up as classics.
>
> Speaking of classics I watched the new Fallout series. I wonder how many
> viewers identified the Kaiser Darrin and Messerschmitt. I'd like to have a
> Messerschmitt but not 50 grand worth.
>
> https://classiccars.com/listings/find/all-years/messerschmitt
>
> There were others I could identify that were rusted out hulks. Amazon must
> have raided every junkyard in 5 states to get their collection.

Never saw one of those in person,but they sure stand out.

I do remember Kaiser sedans though. And Hudson, Henry J, etc.

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 16:10:41 -0400, Ed P wrote:

> Never saw one of those in person,but they sure stand out.
>
> I do remember Kaiser sedans though. And Hudson, Henry J, etc.

I have seen Kaisers, Frazers, and Henry Js on the wild. The J is the one
that stood out with that weird little tail light bump like it was modestly
emulating a '51 Caddy. I can't recall if I've ever seen a Kaiser-Darrin
or if its weirdness was imprinted on my mind.

I think the Antique Car Museum in Iowa had a Messerschmitt. A friend who
spent his early years in Germany considered it a suicide machine. Even in
the '50s it was the slowest thing on the road and in danger of getting run
over. The new version sounds like it can provide the same thrills.

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/the-messerschmitt-bubble-car-rides-again

The Hudson Hornets were the hot stock car in their era. There is a
building labeled 'Charlie's Hudsons' on my way to town. It has a glass
front and several Hudson's on display, but it never was a museum. Charlie
died a few years ago and I regret I never stopped to get his story.