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 by: hub...@ccanoemail.com - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:12 UTC

Just found these screws loose & missing
when changing over to summer tires -

- I don't even know what they do ..
... nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.

https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9

John T.

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 by: Bob F - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:45 UTC

On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> Just found these screws loose & missing
> when changing over to summer tires -
>
> - I don't even know what they do ..
> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>
> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>
> John T.

You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
easily pulled off.

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 by: hub...@ccanoemail.com - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 20:08 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>
>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>
>> John T.
>
>You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
>brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>easily pulled off.
>

Ha. Ha. Ha.
Any serious answers are appreciated.
John T.

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 by: Bob F - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 21:14 UTC

On 4/15/2024 1:08 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>>
>>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>
>>> John T.
>>
>> You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
>> brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>> easily pulled off.
>>
>
> Ha. Ha. Ha.
> Any serious answers are appreciated.
> John T.

Ummmm?

That was a serious answer.

With the unnecessary word "use" accidentally left in from an edit.

Screwing bolts into those threaded holes pushes against the hub to force
the drum/disk off. You should see that the threaded holes do not
continue into the hub. They can only push against it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV0kfP17Co0

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 by: micky - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:28 UTC

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400,
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>>
>>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>
>>> John T.
>>
>>You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
>>brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>easily pulled off.
>>
>
> Ha. Ha. Ha.
>Any serious answers are appreciated.
> John T.

Bob has a great sense of humor, however this time it was misplaced. The
screws that go there press the brake disk against the inner half off the
caliper. Without them, the brakes may not work. Please get it fixed
soon.

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 by: hub...@ccanoemail.com - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:36 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:28:29 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400,
>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>>>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>>>
>>>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>>>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>
>>>> John T.
>>>
>>>You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
>>>brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>>easily pulled off.
>>>
>>
>> Ha. Ha. Ha.
>>Any serious answers are appreciated.
>> John T.
>
>Bob has a great sense of humor, however this time it was misplaced. The
>screws that go there press the brake disk against the inner half off the
>caliper. Without them, the brakes may not work. Please get it fixed
>soon.
>

Sheeesh.
John T.

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 by: Bob F - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 23:45 UTC

On 4/15/2024 3:36 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:28:29 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400,
>> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>>>>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>>>>
>>>>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>>>>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>>
>>>>> John T.
>>>>
>>>> You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
>>>> brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>>> easily pulled off.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ha. Ha. Ha.
>>> Any serious answers are appreciated.
>>> John T.
>>
>> Bob has a great sense of humor, however this time it was misplaced. The
>> screws that go there press the brake disk against the inner half off the
>> caliper. Without them, the brakes may not work. Please get it fixed
>> soon.
>>
>
> Sheeesh.
> John T.

Have you looked at the video in my last reply?

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 by: Clare Snyder - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:18 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 12:12:52 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>Just found these screws loose & missing
>when changing over to summer tires -
>
>- I don't even know what they do ..
>.. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>
>https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>
> John T.
They keep the rotor or drum from falling off on the assembly line.
Not a bad idea to keep them in place but they are not at all critical

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 by: Clare Snyder - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:21 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>>
>>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>
>>> John T.
>>
>>You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
>>brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>easily pulled off.
>>
>
> Ha. Ha. Ha.
>Any serious answers are appreciated.
> John T.
Actually on SOME drums the hole in the drum WAS threaded - on Japanese
cars thery were M8. On those vehicles they WERE a built-in drum
puller. However, on the picture shown they are NOT threaded, and the
holes are countersunk, and they ARE just a fixture to hold the
rotors/drums on the hub on the assembly line

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 by: Clare Snyder - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:21 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:28:29 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400,
>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>>>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>>>
>>>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>>>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>
>>>> John T.
>>>
>>>You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
>>>brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>>easily pulled off.
>>>
>>
>> Ha. Ha. Ha.
>>Any serious answers are appreciated.
>> John T.
>
>Bob has a great sense of humor, however this time it was misplaced. The
>screws that go there press the brake disk against the inner half off the
>caliper. Without them, the brakes may not work. Please get it fixed
>soon.
Not so

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 by: hub...@ccanoemail.com - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:21 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:45:31 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/15/2024 3:36 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:28:29 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400,
>>> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>>>>>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>>>>>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>
>>>>> You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
>>>>> brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>>>> easily pulled off.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ha. Ha. Ha.
>>>> Any serious answers are appreciated.
>>>> John T.
>>>
>>> Bob has a great sense of humor, however this time it was misplaced. The
>>> screws that go there press the brake disk against the inner half off the
>>> caliper. Without them, the brakes may not work. Please get it fixed
>>> soon.
>>>
>>
>> Sheeesh.
>> John T.
>
>Have you looked at the video in my last reply?
>

Yep. It seems to deal with drum brakes.
John T.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:34 UTC

On 16/4/2024 7:14 am, Bob F wrote:
> On 4/15/2024 1:08 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>> Just found these screws   loose  &  missing
>>>> when changing over to summer tires  -
>>>>
>>>> -  I don't even know what they do   ..
>>>> ..  nor  what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>
>>>>      John T.
>>>
>>> You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
>>> brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>> easily pulled off.
>>>
>>
>>    Ha.  Ha.  Ha.
>> Any serious answers are appreciated.
>>     John T.
>
> Ummmm?
>
> That was a serious answer.
>
> With the unnecessary word "use" accidentally left in from an edit.
>
> Screwing bolts into those threaded holes pushes against the hub to force
> the drum/disk off. You should see that the threaded holes do not
> continue into the hub. They can only push against it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV0kfP17Co0
>
In total agreement with you here. I've removed more drums and discs than
I care to remember and those threaded holes are a blessing.

I'd prefer to see them blanked off with a dummy cs screw just to keep
the threads clean and clear. The dummy cs screw doesn't need to retain
anything, just prevent those threads gunking up.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:52 UTC

On 16/4/2024 10:21 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>>>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>>>
>>>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>>>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>
>>>> John T.
>>>
>>> You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
>>> brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>> easily pulled off.
>>>
>>
>> Ha. Ha. Ha.
>> Any serious answers are appreciated.
>> John T.
> Actually on SOME drums the hole in the drum WAS threaded - on Japanese
> cars thery were M8. On those vehicles they WERE a built-in drum
> puller. However, on the picture shown they are NOT threaded, and the
> holes are countersunk, and they ARE just a fixture to hold the

Noticed the countersinking.

> rotors/drums on the hub on the assembly line

Also if the wheel comes off. Not so much with a disc as that will be
constrained by the caliper.

Recently removed the rear drums on a Toyota Yaris - 2 threaded holes, no
screws in them. When I was refitting them, I was careful to ensure that
the threaded holes were adjacent a solid chunk of the axle flange

--
Xeno

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Bob F - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:57 UTC

On 4/15/2024 5:52 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 16/4/2024 10:21 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>> Just found these screws   loose  &  missing
>>>>> when changing over to summer tires  -
>>>>>
>>>>> -  I don't even know what they do   ..
>>>>> ..  nor  what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>>
>>>>>      John T.
>>>>
>>>> You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the
>>>> parking
>>>> brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>>> easily pulled off.
>>>>
>>>
>>>   Ha.  Ha.  Ha.
>>> Any serious answers are appreciated.
>>>    John T.
>> Actually on SOME drums the hole in the drum WAS threaded - on Japanese
>> cars thery were M8. On those vehicles they WERE a built-in drum
>> puller. However, on the picture shown they are NOT threaded, and the
>> holes are countersunk, and they ARE just a fixture to hold the
>
> Noticed the countersinking.
>
>> rotors/drums on the hub on the assembly line
>
> Also if the wheel comes off. Not so much with a disc as that will be
> constrained by the caliper.
>
> Recently removed the rear drums on a Toyota Yaris - 2 threaded holes, no
> screws in them. When I was refitting them, I was careful to ensure that
> the threaded holes were adjacent a solid chunk of the axle flange
>

More important is making sure the adjustment hole is lined up with the
correct hole in the hub. The others will be right then.

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 by: Bob F - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:58 UTC

On 4/15/2024 5:21 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:45:31 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/15/2024 3:36 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:28:29 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400,
>>>> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>>>>>>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>>>>>>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the parking
>>>>>> brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>>>>> easily pulled off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha. Ha. Ha.
>>>>> Any serious answers are appreciated.
>>>>> John T.
>>>>
>>>> Bob has a great sense of humor, however this time it was misplaced. The
>>>> screws that go there press the brake disk against the inner half off the
>>>> caliper. Without them, the brakes may not work. Please get it fixed
>>>> soon.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sheeesh.
>>> John T.
>>
>> Have you looked at the video in my last reply?
>>
>
> Yep. It seems to deal with drum brakes.
> John T.

Or disk/drums like my 04 Sienna rear brakes, or like yours. I can see
the parking brake cable coming in behind the disk at 4 o'clock in your
pic. If the holes are not threaded, I guess Clare is right.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:02 UTC

On 16/4/2024 10:57 am, Bob F wrote:
> On 4/15/2024 5:52 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/4/2024 10:21 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Just found these screws   loose  &  missing
>>>>>> when changing over to summer tires  -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -  I don't even know what they do   ..
>>>>>> ..  nor  what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      John T.
>>>>>
>>>>> You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the
>>>>> parking
>>>>> brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>>>> easily pulled off.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Ha.  Ha.  Ha.
>>>> Any serious answers are appreciated.
>>>>    John T.
>>> Actually on SOME drums the hole in the drum WAS threaded - on Japanese
>>> cars thery were M8. On those vehicles they WERE a built-in drum
>>> puller. However, on the picture shown they are NOT threaded, and the
>>> holes are countersunk, and they ARE just a fixture to hold the
>>
>> Noticed the countersinking.
>>
>>> rotors/drums on the hub on the assembly line
>>
>> Also if the wheel comes off. Not so much with a disc as that will be
>> constrained by the caliper.
>>
>> Recently removed the rear drums on a Toyota Yaris - 2 threaded holes,
>> no screws in them. When I was refitting them, I was careful to ensure
>> that the threaded holes were adjacent a solid chunk of the axle flange
>>
>
> More important is making sure the adjustment hole is lined up with the
> correct hole in the hub. The others will be right then.

Done from (through) a slot in the backing plate. That aperture has a
rubber bung in it.
--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Bob F - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:04 UTC

On 4/15/2024 6:02 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 16/4/2024 10:57 am, Bob F wrote:
>> On 4/15/2024 5:52 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 16/4/2024 10:21 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Just found these screws   loose  &  missing
>>>>>>> when changing over to summer tires  -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -  I don't even know what they do   ..
>>>>>>> ..  nor  what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      John T.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the
>>>>>> parking
>>>>>> brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it to be
>>>>>> easily pulled off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Ha.  Ha.  Ha.
>>>>> Any serious answers are appreciated.
>>>>>    John T.
>>>> Actually on SOME drums the hole in the drum WAS threaded - on Japanese
>>>> cars thery were M8. On those vehicles they WERE a built-in drum
>>>> puller. However, on the picture shown they are NOT threaded, and the
>>>> holes are countersunk, and they ARE just a fixture to hold the
>>>
>>> Noticed the countersinking.
>>>
>>>> rotors/drums on the hub on the assembly line
>>>
>>> Also if the wheel comes off. Not so much with a disc as that will be
>>> constrained by the caliper.
>>>
>>> Recently removed the rear drums on a Toyota Yaris - 2 threaded holes,
>>> no screws in them. When I was refitting them, I was careful to ensure
>>> that the threaded holes were adjacent a solid chunk of the axle flange
>>>
>>
>> More important is making sure the adjustment hole is lined up with the
>> correct hole in the hub. The others will be right then.
>
> Done from (through) a slot in the backing plate. That aperture has a
> rubber bung in it.

I've never seen one like that. I have always done it through the hole in
the drum. With a rubber plug.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:04 UTC

On 16/4/2024 10:58 am, Bob F wrote:
> On 4/15/2024 5:21 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:45:31 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/15/2024 3:36 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:28:29 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400,
>>>>> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just found these screws   loose  &  missing
>>>>>>>> when changing over to summer tires  -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -  I don't even know what they do   ..
>>>>>>>> ..  nor  what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       John T.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the
>>>>>>> parking
>>>>>>> brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> easily pulled off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Ha.  Ha.  Ha.
>>>>>> Any serious answers are appreciated.
>>>>>>     John T.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob has a great sense of humor, however this time it was
>>>>> misplaced.  The
>>>>> screws that go there press the brake disk against the inner half
>>>>> off the
>>>>> caliper.  Without them, the brakes may not work.  Please get it fixed
>>>>> soon.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sheeesh.
>>>>     John T.
>>>
>>> Have you looked at the video in my last reply?
>>>
>>
>>   Yep.  It seems to deal with  drum brakes.
>>     John T.
>
> Or disk/drums like my 04 Sienna rear brakes, or like yours. I can see
> the parking brake cable coming in behind the disk at 4 o'clock in your
> pic. If the holes are not threaded, I guess Clare is right.

I saw the countersink but, on my small screen, couldn't tell if the
holes were threaded. Eyesight isn't what it used to be! :-(

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 02:03 UTC

On 16/4/2024 11:04 am, Bob F wrote:
> On 4/15/2024 6:02 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/4/2024 10:57 am, Bob F wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2024 5:52 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 16/4/2024 10:21 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:08:44 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 11:45:28 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/15/2024 9:12 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just found these screws   loose  &  missing
>>>>>>>> when changing over to summer tires  -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -  I don't even know what they do   ..
>>>>>>>> ..  nor  what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      John T.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You use screw bolts into those holes to remove the drum from the
>>>>>>> parking
>>>>>>> brakes if you cannot release the shoes sufficiently to allow it
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> easily pulled off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Ha.  Ha.  Ha.
>>>>>> Any serious answers are appreciated.
>>>>>>    John T.
>>>>> Actually on SOME drums the hole in the drum WAS threaded - on Japanese
>>>>> cars thery were M8. On those vehicles they WERE a built-in drum
>>>>> puller. However, on the picture shown they are NOT threaded, and the
>>>>> holes are countersunk, and they ARE just a fixture to hold the
>>>>
>>>> Noticed the countersinking.
>>>>
>>>>> rotors/drums on the hub on the assembly line
>>>>
>>>> Also if the wheel comes off. Not so much with a disc as that will be
>>>> constrained by the caliper.
>>>>
>>>> Recently removed the rear drums on a Toyota Yaris - 2 threaded
>>>> holes, no screws in them. When I was refitting them, I was careful
>>>> to ensure that the threaded holes were adjacent a solid chunk of the
>>>> axle flange
>>>>
>>>
>>> More important is making sure the adjustment hole is lined up with
>>> the correct hole in the hub. The others will be right then.
>>
>> Done from (through) a slot in the backing plate. That aperture has a
>> rubber bung in it.
>
> I've never seen one like that. I have always done it through the hole in
> the drum. With a rubber plug.

The Yaris was the same as this one. https://youtu.be/Y272SV3sHJo

Back in the 70s, the backing plate hole for adjustment was the norm. For
the most part, it was brought about by the inclusion of self adjusters.
If you adjusted them too tight, the self adjuster acted as a ratchet and
prevented you loosening the adjuster back off. That then necessitated
the use of a second tool (long thin screwdriver) to push the self
adjuster plate away whilst backing off the adjuster.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: hub...@ccanoemail.com - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:24 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 20:18:22 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 12:12:52 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>Just found these screws loose & missing
>>when changing over to summer tires -
>>
>>- I don't even know what they do ..
>>.. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>
>>https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>
>> John T.
> They keep the rotor or drum from falling off on the assembly line.
>Not a bad idea to keep them in place but they are not at all critical
>

My brother raised the question - could a backed-out screw
interfere / affect the wheel seating flat against the disc ?
... it seems possible - I'll need to check that, next time I have
a wheel off ..
John T.

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 by: micky - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:37 UTC

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Apr 2024 12:24:34 -0400,
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 20:18:22 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 12:12:52 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>Just found these screws loose & missing
>>>when changing over to summer tires -
>>>
>>>- I don't even know what they do ..
>>>.. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>
>>>https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>
>>> John T.
>> They keep the rotor or drum from falling off on the assembly line.
>>Not a bad idea to keep them in place but they are not at all critical
>>
>
>My brother raised the question - could a backed-out screw
> interfere / affect the wheel seating flat against the disc ?
>.. it seems possible - I'll need to check that, next time I have
>a wheel off ..

It does sound important. I'll check too, next time I have a screw
loose.

> John T.

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 by: Bob F - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 23:11 UTC

On 4/17/2024 2:37 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Apr 2024 12:24:34 -0400,
> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 20:18:22 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 12:12:52 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>>>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>>>
>>>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>>>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>
>>>> John T.
>>> They keep the rotor or drum from falling off on the assembly line.
>>> Not a bad idea to keep them in place but they are not at all critical
>>>
>>
>> My brother raised the question - could a backed-out screw
>> interfere / affect the wheel seating flat against the disc ?
>> .. it seems possible - I'll need to check that, next time I have
>> a wheel off ..
>
> It does sound important. I'll check too, next time I have a screw
> loose.
>

It is not really fair to give us such a straight line.... How can we
not bite?

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 by: Clare Snyder - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 02:20 UTC

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 12:24:34 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 20:18:22 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 12:12:52 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>Just found these screws loose & missing
>>>when changing over to summer tires -
>>>
>>>- I don't even know what they do ..
>>>.. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>
>>>https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>
>>> John T.
>> They keep the rotor or drum from falling off on the assembly line.
>>Not a bad idea to keep them in place but they are not at all critical
>>
>
>My brother raised the question - could a backed-out screw
> interfere / affect the wheel seating flat against the disc ?
>.. it seems possible - I'll need to check that, next time I have
>a wheel off ..
> John T.
Generally not as MOST rims have receasses in the general area. VERY
FEW have a full flat back

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 by: hub...@ccanoemail.com - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 13:38 UTC

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 22:20:38 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 12:24:34 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 20:18:22 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 12:12:52 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>Just found these screws loose & missing
>>>>when changing over to summer tires -
>>>>
>>>>- I don't even know what they do ..
>>>>.. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>
>>>>https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>
>>>> John T.
>>> They keep the rotor or drum from falling off on the assembly line.
>>>Not a bad idea to keep them in place but they are not at all critical
>>>
>>
>>My brother raised the question - could a backed-out screw
>> interfere / affect the wheel seating flat against the disc ?
>>.. it seems possible - I'll need to check that, next time I have
>>a wheel off ..
>> John T.
>>
> Generally not as MOST rims have receasses in the general area. VERY
>FEW have a full flat back
>

Yep. The photo of mine seems to show the screw at the edge
of the indentation but hard to say for sure, without pulling
a wheel off..
John T.

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From: NONONOmi...@fmguy.com (micky)
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Subject: Re: OT car wheel hub screws
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 by: micky - Fri, 19 Apr 2024 00:48 UTC

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:11:03 -0700, Bob F
<bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/17/2024 2:37 PM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 17 Apr 2024 12:24:34 -0400,
>> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 20:18:22 -0400, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 12:12:52 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just found these screws loose & missing
>>>>> when changing over to summer tires -
>>>>>
>>>>> - I don't even know what they do ..
>>>>> .. nor what they're called ? so I can look them up.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/xem0IO9
>>>>>
>>>>> John T.
>>>> They keep the rotor or drum from falling off on the assembly line.
>>>> Not a bad idea to keep them in place but they are not at all critical
>>>>
>>>
>>> My brother raised the question - could a backed-out screw
>>> interfere / affect the wheel seating flat against the disc ?
>>> .. it seems possible - I'll need to check that, next time I have
>>> a wheel off ..
>>
>> It does sound important. I'll check too, next time I have a screw
>> loose.
>>
>
>It is not really fair to give us such a straight line.... How can we
>not bite?

I did my part.

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