"It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.

The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.

The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
>
> The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
>
> The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
>
> https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages

It's mostly due to ignorant Trumpers and their ilk, very bad. Notice America does not try to cover it up.

In contrast, how about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China

The Chinese government has actively engaged in disinformation to downplay the emergence of COVID-19 in China and manipulate information about its spread around the world.[1][2] The government also detained whistleblowers and journalists claiming they were spreading rumors when they were publicly raising concerns about people being hospitalized for a "mysterious illness" resembling SARS.[3][4]

The blame for the failure to report cases of COVID-19 at the onset is unclear because of the difficulty pinpointing it as a failure by either local or national officials.[5] The Associated Press reported that, "increasing political repression has made officials more hesitant to report cases without a clear green light from the top."[5] There are ongoing investigations in an effort to understand what happened, including an investigation by the World Health Organization (WHO) which will probe into what Wuhan officials knew at the time of the outbreak.[6]

A February 14, 2021 exposé by the Associated Press said that China took a "leading role" in spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19.

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 6:35:15 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
> >
> > The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
> >
> > The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
> >
> > https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages
> It's mostly due to ignorant Trumpers and their ilk, very bad. Notice America does not try to cover it up.
>
> In contrast, how about this?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China
>
> The Chinese government has actively engaged in disinformation to downplay the emergence of COVID-19 in China and manipulate information about its spread around the world.[1][2] The government also detained whistleblowers and journalists claiming they were spreading rumors when they were publicly raising concerns about people being hospitalized for a "mysterious illness" resembling SARS.[3][4]
>
> The blame for the failure to report cases of COVID-19 at the onset is unclear because of the difficulty pinpointing it as a failure by either local or national officials.[5] The Associated Press reported that, "increasing political repression has made officials more hesitant to report cases without a clear green light from the top."[5] There are ongoing investigations in an effort to understand what happened, including an investigation by the World Health Organization (WHO) which will probe into what Wuhan officials knew at the time of the outbreak.[6]
>
> A February 14, 2021 exposé by the Associated Press said that China took a "leading role" in spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19.

Sorry.
Again, the quality of any publication is as good as the audience.
America publication are good sources of information concerning America and/or other Western nations.
Not a reliable source of information concerning China.

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 6:35:15 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
> >
> > The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
> >
> > The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
> >
> > https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages
> It's mostly due to ignorant Trumpers and their ilk, very bad. Notice America does not try to cover it up.

Why do you keep on calling Trump supporters ignorant?
For argument's sake, let us assume that they are indeed ignorant.
One still has to wonder whether they are made ignorant or born ignorant.
If they are not born ignorant, what and/or who had misled them?
And why are they more prone to misinformation?
>
> In contrast, how about this?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China
>
> The Chinese government has actively engaged in disinformation to downplay the emergence of COVID-19 in China and manipulate information about its spread around the world.[1][2] The government also detained whistleblowers and journalists claiming they were spreading rumors when they were publicly raising concerns about people being hospitalized for a "mysterious illness" resembling SARS.[3][4]
>
> The blame for the failure to report cases of COVID-19 at the onset is unclear because of the difficulty pinpointing it as a failure by either local or national officials.[5] The Associated Press reported that, "increasing political repression has made officials more hesitant to report cases without a clear green light from the top."[5] There are ongoing investigations in an effort to understand what happened, including an investigation by the World Health Organization (WHO) which will probe into what Wuhan officials knew at the time of the outbreak.[6]
>
> A February 14, 2021 exposé by the Associated Press said that China took a "leading role" in spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19.

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:14:48 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 6:35:15 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
> > >
> > > The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
> > >
> > > The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
> > >
> > > https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages
> > It's mostly due to ignorant Trumpers and their ilk, very bad. Notice America does not try to cover it up.
> >
> > In contrast, how about this?
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China
> >
> > The Chinese government has actively engaged in disinformation to downplay the emergence of COVID-19 in China and manipulate information about its spread around the world.[1][2] The government also detained whistleblowers and journalists claiming they were spreading rumors when they were publicly raising concerns about people being hospitalized for a "mysterious illness" resembling SARS.[3][4]
> >
> > The blame for the failure to report cases of COVID-19 at the onset is unclear because of the difficulty pinpointing it as a failure by either local or national officials.[5] The Associated Press reported that, "increasing political repression has made officials more hesitant to report cases without a clear green light from the top."[5] There are ongoing investigations in an effort to understand what happened, including an investigation by the World Health Organization (WHO) which will probe into what Wuhan officials knew at the time of the outbreak.[6]
> >
> > A February 14, 2021 exposé by the Associated Press said that China took a "leading role" in spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19.
> Sorry.
> Again, the quality of any publication is as good as the audience.
> America publication are good sources of information concerning America and/or other Western nations.
> Not a reliable source of information concerning China.

You always say that. CCP often lies to save face. Too bad you are fooled by their obvious BS.

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:21:03 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 6:35:15 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
> > >
> > > The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
> > >
> > > The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
> > >
> > > https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages
> > It's mostly due to ignorant Trumpers and their ilk, very bad. Notice America does not try to cover it up.
> Why do you keep on calling Trump supporters ignorant?
> For argument's sake, let us assume that they are indeed ignorant.
> One still has to wonder whether they are made ignorant or born ignorant.
> If they are not born ignorant, what and/or who had misled them?
> And why are they more prone to misinformation?

I'm not a shrink. Just as China is full of "peasants" who more educated people mock, America is full of Trumpers.

> >
> > In contrast, how about this?
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China
> >
> > The Chinese government has actively engaged in disinformation to downplay the emergence of COVID-19 in China and manipulate information about its spread around the world.[1][2] The government also detained whistleblowers and journalists claiming they were spreading rumors when they were publicly raising concerns about people being hospitalized for a "mysterious illness" resembling SARS.[3][4]
> >
> > The blame for the failure to report cases of COVID-19 at the onset is unclear because of the difficulty pinpointing it as a failure by either local or national officials.[5] The Associated Press reported that, "increasing political repression has made officials more hesitant to report cases without a clear green light from the top."[5] There are ongoing investigations in an effort to understand what happened, including an investigation by the World Health Organization (WHO) which will probe into what Wuhan officials knew at the time of the outbreak.[6]
> >
> > A February 14, 2021 exposé by the Associated Press said that China took a "leading role" in spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19.

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:14:48 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 6:35:15 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
> > >
> > > The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
> > >
> > > The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
> > >
> > > https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages
> > It's mostly due to ignorant Trumpers and their ilk, very bad. Notice America does not try to cover it up.
> >
> > In contrast, how about this?
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China
> >
> > The Chinese government has actively engaged in disinformation to downplay the emergence of COVID-19 in China and manipulate information about its spread around the world.[1][2] The government also detained whistleblowers and journalists claiming they were spreading rumors when they were publicly raising concerns about people being hospitalized for a "mysterious illness" resembling SARS.[3][4]
> >
> > The blame for the failure to report cases of COVID-19 at the onset is unclear because of the difficulty pinpointing it as a failure by either local or national officials.[5] The Associated Press reported that, "increasing political repression has made officials more hesitant to report cases without a clear green light from the top."[5] There are ongoing investigations in an effort to understand what happened, including an investigation by the World Health Organization (WHO) which will probe into what Wuhan officials knew at the time of the outbreak.[6]
> >
> > A February 14, 2021 exposé by the Associated Press said that China took a "leading role" in spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19.
> Sorry.
> Again, the quality of any publication is as good as the audience.
> America publication are good sources of information concerning America and/or other Western nations.
> Not a reliable source of information concerning China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China

In March 2020, Taiwan's Ministry of Justice Investigation Bureau warned that China was trying to undermine trust in factual news by portraying the Taiwanese government reports as fake news. Taiwanese authorities have been ordered to use all possible means to track whether the messages were linked to instructions given by the Chinese Communist Party. The PRC's Taiwan Affairs Office denied the claims, calling them lies, and said that Taiwan's Democratic Progressive Party was "inciting hatred" between the two sides. They then claimed that the "DPP continues to politically manipulate the virus".[65] According to The Washington Post, China has used organized disinformation campaigns against Taiwan for decades.[66]

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:55:32 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:14:48 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 6:35:15 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
> > > >
> > > > The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
> > > >
> > > > The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
> > > >
> > > > https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages
> > > It's mostly due to ignorant Trumpers and their ilk, very bad. Notice America does not try to cover it up.
> > >
> > > In contrast, how about this?
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China
> > >
> > > The Chinese government has actively engaged in disinformation to downplay the emergence of COVID-19 in China and manipulate information about its spread around the world.[1][2] The government also detained whistleblowers and journalists claiming they were spreading rumors when they were publicly raising concerns about people being hospitalized for a "mysterious illness" resembling SARS.[3][4]
> > >
> > > The blame for the failure to report cases of COVID-19 at the onset is unclear because of the difficulty pinpointing it as a failure by either local or national officials.[5] The Associated Press reported that, "increasing political repression has made officials more hesitant to report cases without a clear green light from the top."[5] There are ongoing investigations in an effort to understand what happened, including an investigation by the World Health Organization (WHO) which will probe into what Wuhan officials knew at the time of the outbreak.[6]
> > >
> > > A February 14, 2021 exposé by the Associated Press said that China took a "leading role" in spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19.
> > Sorry.
> > Again, the quality of any publication is as good as the audience.
> > America publication are good sources of information concerning America and/or other Western nations.
> > Not a reliable source of information concerning China.
> You always say that. CCP often lies to save face. Too bad you are fooled by their obvious BS.

And the U.S. doesn't???
As you said...
"...Too bad you are fooled by their obvious BS."

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:58:39 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:21:03 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 6:35:15 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
> > > >
> > > > The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
> > > >
> > > > The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
> > > >
> > > > https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages
> > > It's mostly due to ignorant Trumpers and their ilk, very bad. Notice America does not try to cover it up.
> > Why do you keep on calling Trump supporters ignorant?
> > For argument's sake, let us assume that they are indeed ignorant.
> > One still has to wonder whether they are made ignorant or born ignorant..
> > If they are not born ignorant, what and/or who had misled them?
> > And why are they more prone to misinformation?
> I'm not a shrink. Just as China is full of "peasants" who more educated people mock, America is full of Trumpers.

And the U.S. is NOT "full of "peasants" who more educated people mock,..."???
Even "peasants" mock other "peasants" in America!!!!

> > >
> > > In contrast, how about this?
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China
> > >
> > > The Chinese government has actively engaged in disinformation to downplay the emergence of COVID-19 in China and manipulate information about its spread around the world.[1][2] The government also detained whistleblowers and journalists claiming they were spreading rumors when they were publicly raising concerns about people being hospitalized for a "mysterious illness" resembling SARS.[3][4]
> > >
> > > The blame for the failure to report cases of COVID-19 at the onset is unclear because of the difficulty pinpointing it as a failure by either local or national officials.[5] The Associated Press reported that, "increasing political repression has made officials more hesitant to report cases without a clear green light from the top."[5] There are ongoing investigations in an effort to understand what happened, including an investigation by the World Health Organization (WHO) which will probe into what Wuhan officials knew at the time of the outbreak.[6]
> > >
> > > A February 14, 2021 exposé by the Associated Press said that China took a "leading role" in spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19.

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 1:18:43 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 12:14:48 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 6:35:15 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
> > > >
> > > > The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
> > > >
> > > > The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
> > > >
> > > > https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages
> > > It's mostly due to ignorant Trumpers and their ilk, very bad. Notice America does not try to cover it up.
> > >
> > > In contrast, how about this?
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China
> > >
> > > The Chinese government has actively engaged in disinformation to downplay the emergence of COVID-19 in China and manipulate information about its spread around the world.[1][2] The government also detained whistleblowers and journalists claiming they were spreading rumors when they were publicly raising concerns about people being hospitalized for a "mysterious illness" resembling SARS.[3][4]
> > >
> > > The blame for the failure to report cases of COVID-19 at the onset is unclear because of the difficulty pinpointing it as a failure by either local or national officials.[5] The Associated Press reported that, "increasing political repression has made officials more hesitant to report cases without a clear green light from the top."[5] There are ongoing investigations in an effort to understand what happened, including an investigation by the World Health Organization (WHO) which will probe into what Wuhan officials knew at the time of the outbreak.[6]
> > >
> > > A February 14, 2021 exposé by the Associated Press said that China took a "leading role" in spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19.
> > Sorry.
> > Again, the quality of any publication is as good as the audience.
> > America publication are good sources of information concerning America and/or other Western nations.
> > Not a reliable source of information concerning China.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China
>
> In March 2020, Taiwan's Ministry of Justice Investigation Bureau warned that China was trying to undermine trust in factual news by portraying the Taiwanese government reports as fake news. Taiwanese authorities have been ordered to use all possible means to track whether the messages were linked to instructions given by the Chinese Communist Party. The PRC's Taiwan Affairs Office denied the claims, calling them lies, and said that Taiwan's Democratic Progressive Party was "inciting hatred" between the two sides. They then claimed that the "DPP continues to politically manipulate the virus".[65] According to The Washington Post, China has used organized disinformation campaigns against Taiwan for decades.[66]

There is a word for that.... propaganda...

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 4:58:42 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
>
> The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
>
> The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
>
> https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages

”中新社德国分社首席记者、中新网研究院副院长彭大伟近日对话马丁·雅克。马丁·雅克表示，要理解中国发展取得的成功，必须理解中国文明的特性，要明白中国不仅仅是一个民族国家(nation state)，而是一个文明型国家(civilization state)。他指出，西方许多人试图强行让中国接受西方人权等价值观的心态使得西方几乎不可能真正理解中国。他同时建议西方国家如果真的想理解中国抗疫为何取得成功，就应该先去了解孔子的儒家思想。
。。。
彭大伟：您曾提到西方理解中国抗疫模式需要先了解孔子的学说，您还提到西方对此缺乏应有的认知。能否详细阐述这一问题？

马丁·雅克：西方的许多中国问题专家并未真正理解中国，造成这一点的原因是西方人在成长阶段接受的教育是“西方做事情的方式是全世界其它地方学习的模范”，西方的范式比全球其它任何地方的都要优越——西方的运作方式、制度、规范……都成为了用来衡量其它国际的准绳。

例如，在“人权”这样的争议话题上，西方从未真正尝试着去理解中国是如何实践其人权理念的。这是由于双方截然不同的历史传统，可追溯到孔子的时代。在孔子的学说中，个体不是世界的中心，人们重视的是集体，集体可以是一个家庭，也可以是范围更大的集体，一直到整个中国。只有当置身于一个集体、一个社会当中时，个体才具有意义。

在我看来，围绕人权问题的大部分争吵都是基于西方希望想将其思维模式输送给中国，而后者并未接受。这么做意味着这些人并不真正需要理解中国，因为最终他们还是会相信自己是对的、中国是错的。如果动辄就向中国喊话“你们只需要照我们的方式来”，那还谈何理解中国呢？

在诚实和谦虚这两方面，西方在疫情期间的表现无疑都是不及格的。(对中国抗疫方式的指责和后来围绕病毒溯源的纷争)真的都只是一种可耻的、用于分化和转移注意力的借口。

中国是如何取得抗疫成功的？第一，中国政府有非常好、非常清晰的抗疫策略。第二点，也是西方从未探讨过的一点，就是人的因素非常重要。中国人拥有很强大的社会凝聚力和团结度，这种传统深深地植入到中华民族的国族意识当中。这也是为什么美国在抗疫中的表现如此差劲——美国没有中国重视集体的观念。“
https://www.guancha.cn/politics/2021_10_03_609575.shtml?s=zwyxgtjbt

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 1:44:01 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 4:58:42 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
> >
> > The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
> >
> > The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
> >
> > https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages
> ”中新社德国分社首席记者、中新网研究院副院长彭大伟近日对话马丁·雅克。马丁·雅克表示，要理解中国发展取得的成功，必须理解中国文明的特性，要明白中国不仅仅是一个民族国家(nation state)，而是一个文明型国家(civilization state)。他指出，西方许多人试图强行让中国接受西方人权等价值观的心态使得西方几乎不可能真正理解中国。他同时建议西方国家如果真的想理解中国抗疫为何取得成功，就应该先去了解孔子的儒家思想。
> 。。。
> 彭大伟：您曾提到西方理解中国抗疫模式需要先了解孔子的学说，您还提到西方对此缺乏应有的认知。能否详细阐述这一问题？
> 马丁·雅克：西方的许多中国问题专家并未真正理解中国，造成这一点的原因是西方人在成长阶段接受的教育是“西方做事情的方式是全世界其它地方学习的模范”，西方的范式比全球其它任何地方的都要优越——西方的运作方式、制度、规范……都成为了用来衡量其它国际的准绳。
> 例如，在“人权”这样的争议话题上，西方从未真正尝试着去理解中国是如何实践其人权理念的。这是由于双方截然不同的历史传统，可追溯到孔子的时代。在孔子的学说中，个体不是世界的中心，人们重视的是集体，集体可以是一个家庭，也可以是范围更大的集体，一直到整个中国。只有当置身于一个集体、一个社会当中时，个体才具有意义。
> 在我看来，围绕人权问题的大部分争吵都是基于西方希望想将其思维模式输送给中国，而后者并未接受。这么做意味着这些人并不真正需要理解中国，因为最终他们还是会相信自己是对的、中国是错的。如果动辄就向中国喊话“你们只需要照我们的方式来”，那还谈何理解中国呢？
> 在诚实和谦虚这两方面，西方在疫情期间的表现无疑都是不及格的。(对中国抗疫方式的指责和后来围绕病毒溯源的纷争)真的都只是一种可耻的、用于分化和转移注意力的借口。
> 中国是如何取得抗疫成功的？第一，中国政府有非常好、非常清晰的抗疫策略。第二点，也是西方从未探讨过的一点，就是人的因素非常重要。中国人拥有很强大的社会凝聚力和团结度，这种传统深深地植入到中华民族的国族意识当中。这也是为什么美国在抗疫中的表现如此差劲——美国没有中国重视集体的观念。“
> https://www.guancha.cn/politics/2021_10_03_609575.shtml?s=zwyxgtjbt

Falsehoods look the same in any language.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 2:16:43 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 1:44:01 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 4:58:42 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > "It’s a milestone that by all accounts didn’t have to happen this soon.
> > >
> > > The U.S. death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 700,000 late Friday — a number greater than the population of Boston. The last 100,000 deaths occurred during a time when vaccines — which overwhelmingly prevent deaths, hospitalizations and serious illness — were available to any American over the age of 12.
> > >
> > > The milestone is deeply frustrating to doctors, public health officials and the American public, who watched a pandemic that had been easing earlier in the summer take a dark turn. Tens of millions of Americans have refused to get vaccinated, allowing the highly contagious Delta variant to tear through the country and send the death toll from 600,000 to 700,000 in 3½ months."
> > >
> > > https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-10-02/covid-19-deaths-eclipse-700-000-in-us-as-delta-variant-rages
> > ”中新社德国分社首席记者、中新网研究院副院长彭大伟近日对话马丁·雅克。马丁·雅克表示，要理解中国发展取得的成功，必须理解中国文明的特性，要明白中国不仅仅是一个民族国家(nation state)，而是一个文明型国家(civilization state)。他指出，西方许多人试图强行让中国接受西方人权等价值观的心态使得西方几乎不可能真正理解中国。他同时建议西方国家如果真的想理解中国抗疫为何取得成功，就应该先去了解孔子的儒家思想。
> > 。。。
> > 彭大伟：您曾提到西方理解中国抗疫模式需要先了解孔子的学说，您还提到西方对此缺乏应有的认知。能否详细阐述这一问题？
> > 马丁·雅克：西方的许多中国问题专家并未真正理解中国，造成这一点的原因是西方人在成长阶段接受的教育是“西方做事情的方式是全世界其它地方学习的模范”，西方的范式比全球其它任何地方的都要优越——西方的运作方式、制度、规范……都成为了用来衡量其它国际的准绳。
> > 例如，在“人权”这样的争议话题上，西方从未真正尝试着去理解中国是如何实践其人权理念的。这是由于双方截然不同的历史传统，可追溯到孔子的时代。在孔子的学说中，个体不是世界的中心，人们重视的是集体，集体可以是一个家庭，也可以是范围更大的集体，一直到整个中国。只有当置身于一个集体、一个社会当中时，个体才具有意义。
> > 在我看来，围绕人权问题的大部分争吵都是基于西方希望想将其思维模式输送给中国，而后者并未接受。这么做意味着这些人并不真正需要理解中国，因为最终他们还是会相信自己是对的、中国是错的。如果动辄就向中国喊话“你们只需要照我们的方式来”，那还谈何理解中国呢？
> > 在诚实和谦虚这两方面，西方在疫情期间的表现无疑都是不及格的。(对中国抗疫方式的指责和后来围绕病毒溯源的纷争)真的都只是一种可耻的、用于分化和转移注意力的借口。
> > 中国是如何取得抗疫成功的？第一，中国政府有非常好、非常清晰的抗疫策略。第二点，也是西方从未探讨过的一点，就是人的因素非常重要。中国人拥有很强大的社会凝聚力和团结度，这种传统深深地植入到中华民族的国族意识当中。这也是为什么美国在抗疫中的表现如此差劲——美国没有中国重视集体的观念。“
> > https://www.guancha.cn/politics/2021_10_03_609575.shtml?s=zwyxgtjbt
> Falsehoods look the same in any language.

L. T. Lee still thinks he's a professor teaching a humanity class in college...