On 3 Feb 2024 07:16:22 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3btA2Qu1-k
>
> I stopped and checked it out one day. I didn't see signs of any usage. It
> looked like their might have been a game camera at some point but FW&P
> either removed it or someone stole it.
>
> There are others that go under the road. The last deer I hit was just
> north of St. Ignatius. He left the scene before I could load him in the
> car. That's legal but you have to take the whole thing; no gut piles along
> the highway.

Feeling better again, you self-admiring, endlessly blathering bigmouth and
drama queen? <BG>

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 22:02:18 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>
>I forgot that the original door sticker said the tires were 17", so
>Firestone's listing is certainly wrong, or conceivably there were two
>sizes and their listing is incomplete.
>

The trim package can make the difference - my car has 16 inch wheels
but the same car with the luxury trim has 17 inch.
John T.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 03 Feb 2024 07:07:14 -0500,
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 22:02:18 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>I forgot that the original door sticker said the tires were 17", so
>>Firestone's listing is certainly wrong, or conceivably there were two
>>sizes and their listing is incomplete.
>>
>
>The trim package can make the difference - my car has 16 inch wheels
>but the same car with the luxury trim has 17 inch.
> John T.

Aha. You're right. I looked at what tirerack.com had to say.

2005 Toyota Solara SE SLE V6 Convertible:
What Tire Size is on Your Vehicle?
Toyota equips your vehicle with TWO possible sizes during production.
(Learn More**)
Factory Tire Sizes
16" 215/60-16
17" 215/55-17

Optional Tire Sizes
18" 225/45-18
19" 225/40-19

They also allow for custom sizes and maybe will tell you if the tire
will fit or not.

But for the 2005 Toyota Solara SE SLE V6 *Coupe*, it says
Toyota equips your vehicle with ONE possible size during production
17" 215/55-17
Optional Tire Sizes
16" 215/60-16
18" 225/45-18
19" 225/40-19
SPR 155/70-17 Temporary/Compact Spare -- included for completeness.
When selecting a Factory tire size, note that the proper Factory tire
size for the vehicle is determined by options or changes by the
manufacturer.

But there is really nothing about being an SLE that enables more or
fewer sizes to be used than in an SE, afaik??? All the differences are
in the interior, I've assumed. It has a better radio and maybe other
stuff like leather seats. Surely the tire wells are no different??????
Yes, if you add the possible factory list to the optional list, the
lists are the same.

Unsure what to select?
We can help! Our trained experts have years of tire fitment experience
and are available to answer questions.
Call 888-541-1777. Monday - Friday: 8AM - 8PM ET, Saturday: 9AM - 4PM ET

**Factory sizes are based on the best information currently available to
us. Variations based on options or changes by the manufacturer may
change the Factory size on your vehicle. Please verify the size listed
matches the tire size listed on your vehicle (usually found in the DOOR
JAMB or gas cap) or in the Owner's Manual.

This means Tirerack's listing is more accurate than Firestone's, and
that doesn't suprise me, because Firestone is established and Tirerack
was new and had to try harder. What does surprise me is that, When
Firestone gathered its data, who gave it incomplete data? Was it early
in the 2005 year, before Toyota made the other size an option? That
might be. .... except that TireRack started before 1990 and was selling
online by 1998, also before, 6+ years before, my car was made.

I've never participated in choosing the size before. I've let the shop
do it. So I've learned a lesson. BTW, the same company that came out
to fix my flat when I was out of town will also put on mail-order tires,
so you don't have to squeeze them into your trunk or back seat, go to a
gas station or tire shop and wait around. There are days when I don't
go anywhere and they'll come then. The key search word is MOBILE tire
service.

Wait. TireRack has its own list of local trucks and cooperating
companies that will come out and install TireRack tires, INCLUDING the
Firestone I was at yesterday, but when I called them a month ago to come
out and fix my flat, they wouldn't do it. Maybe they don't like doing
this and only do it for TireRack, or maybe they don't do it for them
anymore either but their location is still on the list and the map.

And I see there is a Mr. Tire very close to me on the TireRack list too.
I didn't think to call them. And when I google mobile tire service ,
neither they nor Firestone shows up. I tried to call nearby places, so
it would only take them 5 or 10 minutes to get to me.

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 22:02:18 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>
>I forgot that the original door sticker said the tires were 17", so
>Firestone's listing is certainly wrong, or conceivably there were two
>sizes and their listing is incomplete.
>
>If they were easy to write to, I'd write to them, but I'm sure they're
>not.
>
>In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 02 Feb 2024 21:28:13 -0500, Clare Snyder
><clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>>Went to firestone, on time, and they were very nice, but it took 90
>>>minutes. Some of that was not their doing. I had found the tire for my
>>>car on their website and put it in their shopping cart, a 215/60R16
>>>(which I verified later), but when he went to put it on the rim it
>>>wouldn't fit. I had a 17" tire and a 17" rim. Either the Firestone
>>>listing is wrong or the original owner bought different rims than
>>>normally came with a 2005 Toyota Solara SLE.
>>>
>>>Yhat they are 17" might be why I had to pay $70 for each tire even at
>>>the used** tire place. I think those two were the first tires I bought
>>>for this car, an maybe 17" are harder to find. ?? **They sell new
>>>tires too, and would have offfered me new if they didn't have used, but
>>>there were no stickers on them so I think they were used.
>>>
>> 17 inch was standard on the V6 Solara Sport and Solara convertible
4 cyl and non-sport or non-convertible could come with 16 as standard.
I am sure 6 cyl sport and convertible was the minority od Solara sales

On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 09:03:52 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 03 Feb 2024 07:07:14 -0500,
>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 22:02:18 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I forgot that the original door sticker said the tires were 17", so
>>>Firestone's listing is certainly wrong, or conceivably there were two
>>>sizes and their listing is incomplete.
>>>
>>
>>The trim package can make the difference - my car has 16 inch wheels
>>but the same car with the luxury trim has 17 inch.
>> John T.
>
>Aha. You're right. I looked at what tirerack.com had to say.
>
>2005 Toyota Solara SE SLE V6 Convertible:
> What Tire Size is on Your Vehicle?
>Toyota equips your vehicle with TWO possible sizes during production.
>(Learn More**)
> Factory Tire Sizes
> 16" 215/60-16
> 17" 215/55-17
>
> Optional Tire Sizes
> 18" 225/45-18
> 19" 225/40-19
>
>They also allow for custom sizes and maybe will tell you if the tire
>will fit or not.
>
>But for the 2005 Toyota Solara SE SLE V6 *Coupe*, it says
> Toyota equips your vehicle with ONE possible size during production
> 17" 215/55-17
> Optional Tire Sizes
> 16" 215/60-16
> 18" 225/45-18
> 19" 225/40-19
> SPR 155/70-17 Temporary/Compact Spare -- included for completeness.
>When selecting a Factory tire size, note that the proper Factory tire
>size for the vehicle is determined by options or changes by the
>manufacturer.
>
>But there is really nothing about being an SLE that enables more or
>fewer sizes to be used than in an SE, afaik??? All the differences are
>in the interior, I've assumed. It has a better radio and maybe other
>stuff like leather seats. Surely the tire wells are no different??????
>Yes, if you add the possible factory list to the optional list, the
>lists are the same.
>
>Unsure what to select?
>We can help! Our trained experts have years of tire fitment experience
>and are available to answer questions.
>Call 888-541-1777. Monday - Friday: 8AM - 8PM ET, Saturday: 9AM - 4PM ET
>
>**Factory sizes are based on the best information currently available to
>us. Variations based on options or changes by the manufacturer may
>change the Factory size on your vehicle. Please verify the size listed
>matches the tire size listed on your vehicle (usually found in the DOOR
>JAMB or gas cap) or in the Owner's Manual.
>
>This means Tirerack's listing is more accurate than Firestone's, and
>that doesn't suprise me, because Firestone is established and Tirerack
>was new and had to try harder. What does surprise me is that, When
>Firestone gathered its data, who gave it incomplete data? Was it early
>in the 2005 year, before Toyota made the other size an option? That
>might be. .... except that TireRack started before 1990 and was selling
>online by 1998, also before, 6+ years before, my car was made.
>
>I've never participated in choosing the size before. I've let the shop
>do it. So I've learned a lesson. BTW, the same company that came out
>to fix my flat when I was out of town will also put on mail-order tires,
>so you don't have to squeeze them into your trunk or back seat, go to a
>gas station or tire shop and wait around. There are days when I don't
>go anywhere and they'll come then. The key search word is MOBILE tire
>service.
>
>Wait. TireRack has its own list of local trucks and cooperating
>companies that will come out and install TireRack tires, INCLUDING the
>Firestone I was at yesterday, but when I called them a month ago to come
>out and fix my flat, they wouldn't do it. Maybe they don't like doing
>this and only do it for TireRack, or maybe they don't do it for them
>anymore either but their location is still on the list and the map.
>
>And I see there is a Mr. Tire very close to me on the TireRack list too.
>I didn't think to call them. And when I google mobile tire service ,
>neither they nor Firestone shows up. I tried to call nearby places, so
>it would only take them 5 or 10 minutes to get to me.

The options were established by Toyota cefore the mosels hit the
showroom floor. The wheelwells are the same sise. The 16, 17, 18 and
19 inch tires are all virtually the same diameter IIRC. On SOME models
of SOME cars the brakes are a different size, so the smaller standard
rim will not fit. Just like when I put the big brake upgrade on my
Ranger (that came with 15 inch rims) I had NO CHOICE but to put
minimum 16" rims on.I also chose to put larger diameter tires on so
had to change the speedometer/vss drive gear to correct the
calibration. Actually, I chose the bigger tires and rims first, and
then had to upsize the brakes to stop the truck -----, but now I can
NOT but 14 or 15 inch rimc back on the truck

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 03 Feb 2024 21:59:18 -0500, Clare Snyder
<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

>
>>> 17 inch was standard on the V6 Solara Sport and Solara convertible

>4 cyl and non-sport or non-convertible could come with 16 as standard.
>I am sure 6 cyl sport and convertible was the minority od Solara sales

Probably so, a minority of sales.

It's so sad, IMO, that convertibles are fading away. That's why I watch
detective shows from the 50's, 60's and 70's. Highway Patrol, Mannix and
others. They all drive big convertibles. Sometimes the criminals do
too.

On Sun, 04 Feb 2024 00:45:27 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 03 Feb 2024 21:59:18 -0500, Clare Snyder
><clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>>> 17 inch was standard on the V6 Solara Sport and Solara convertible
>
>>4 cyl and non-sport or non-convertible could come with 16 as standard.
>>I am sure 6 cyl sport and convertible was the minority od Solara sales
>
>Probably so, a minority of sales.
>
>It's so sad, IMO, that convertibles are fading away. That's why I watch
>detective shows from the 50's, 60's and 70's. Highway Patrol, Mannix and
>others. They all drive big convertibles. Sometimes the criminals do
>too.

The convertibles were there basically for the same reason that many cars on TV
during that era had their interior rear view mirror removed.* The TV show
creators wanted viewers to see who is in the car, versus just being able to see
the car itself.

*I actually hadn't noticed until I saw it mentioned in TV guide in about the
early 1980s. Once you see it, you start noticing it everywhere on shows from
that era. I don't think they do it as much anymore, but they do other strange
things like asking the rear passengers to crowd tightly together so that a
camera can catch all 4 passengers in a single shot from the front. No one would
actually travel that way.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 03 Feb 2024 22:06:51 -0500, Clare Snyder
<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 09:03:52 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 03 Feb 2024 07:07:14 -0500,
>>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 22:02:18 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I forgot that the original door sticker said the tires were 17", so
>>>>Firestone's listing is certainly wrong, or conceivably there were two
>>>>sizes and their listing is incomplete.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The trim package can make the difference - my car has 16 inch wheels
>>>but the same car with the luxury trim has 17 inch.
>>> John T.
>>
>>Aha. You're right. I looked at what tirerack.com had to say.
>>
>>2005 Toyota Solara SE SLE V6 Convertible:
>> What Tire Size is on Your Vehicle?
>>Toyota equips your vehicle with TWO possible sizes during production.
>>(Learn More**)
>> Factory Tire Sizes
>> 16" 215/60-16
>> 17" 215/55-17
>>
>> Optional Tire Sizes
>> 18" 225/45-18
>> 19" 225/40-19
>>
>>They also allow for custom sizes and maybe will tell you if the tire
>>will fit or not.
>>
>>But for the 2005 Toyota Solara SE SLE V6 *Coupe*, it says
>> Toyota equips your vehicle with ONE possible size during production
>> 17" 215/55-17
>> Optional Tire Sizes
>> 16" 215/60-16
>> 18" 225/45-18
>> 19" 225/40-19
>> SPR 155/70-17 Temporary/Compact Spare -- included for completeness.
>>When selecting a Factory tire size, note that the proper Factory tire
>>size for the vehicle is determined by options or changes by the
>>manufacturer.
>>
>>But there is really nothing about being an SLE that enables more or
>>fewer sizes to be used than in an SE, afaik??? All the differences are
>>in the interior, I've assumed. It has a better radio and maybe other
>>stuff like leather seats. Surely the tire wells are no different??????
>>Yes, if you add the possible factory list to the optional list, the
>>lists are the same.
>>
>>Unsure what to select?
>>We can help! Our trained experts have years of tire fitment experience
>>and are available to answer questions.
>>Call 888-541-1777. Monday - Friday: 8AM - 8PM ET, Saturday: 9AM - 4PM ET
>>
>>**Factory sizes are based on the best information currently available to
>>us. Variations based on options or changes by the manufacturer may
>>change the Factory size on your vehicle. Please verify the size listed
>>matches the tire size listed on your vehicle (usually found in the DOOR
>>JAMB or gas cap) or in the Owner's Manual.
>>
>>This means Tirerack's listing is more accurate than Firestone's, and
>>that doesn't suprise me, because Firestone is established and Tirerack
>>was new and had to try harder. What does surprise me is that, When
>>Firestone gathered its data, who gave it incomplete data? Was it early
>>in the 2005 year, before Toyota made the other size an option? That
>>might be. .... except that TireRack started before 1990 and was selling
>>online by 1998, also before, 6+ years before, my car was made.
>>
>>I've never participated in choosing the size before. I've let the shop
>>do it. So I've learned a lesson. BTW, the same company that came out
>>to fix my flat when I was out of town will also put on mail-order tires,
>>so you don't have to squeeze them into your trunk or back seat, go to a
>>gas station or tire shop and wait around. There are days when I don't
>>go anywhere and they'll come then. The key search word is MOBILE tire
>>service.
>>
>>Wait. TireRack has its own list of local trucks and cooperating
>>companies that will come out and install TireRack tires, INCLUDING the
>>Firestone I was at yesterday, but when I called them a month ago to come
>>out and fix my flat, they wouldn't do it. Maybe they don't like doing
>>this and only do it for TireRack, or maybe they don't do it for them
>>anymore either but their location is still on the list and the map.
>>
>>And I see there is a Mr. Tire very close to me on the TireRack list too.
>>I didn't think to call them. And when I google mobile tire service ,
>>neither they nor Firestone shows up. I tried to call nearby places, so
>>it would only take them 5 or 10 minutes to get to me.
>
>
> The options were established by Toyota cefore the mosels hit the
>showroom floor. The wheelwells are the same sise. The 16, 17, 18 and
>19 inch tires are all virtually the same diameter IIRC. On SOME models
>of SOME cars the brakes are a different size, so the smaller standard
>rim will not fit.

I see. Thanks.

Just like when I put the big brake upgrade on my
>Ranger (that came with 15 inch rims) I had NO CHOICE but to put
>minimum 16" rims on.I also chose to put larger diameter tires on so
>had to change the speedometer/vss drive gear to correct the
>calibration. Actually, I chose the bigger tires and rims first, and
>then had to upsize the brakes to stop the truck -----, but now I can
>NOT but 14 or 15 inch rimc back on the truck