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* Re: Times Cryptic cluesTim Chow
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  `* Re: Times Cryptic cluesLuciano Ward
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 by: Tim Chow - Wed, 1 Dec 2021 23:17 UTC

It's been a while since I've posted to this thread...

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-4, Tim Chow wrote:
> My colleagues and I have been doing some old jumbo cryptic crosswords from
> The Times and a few clues have stumped us even after we have seen the answer.
> I was wondering if someone could explain the following to us. Thanks!

King's enemy active, bringing soldiers round him, properly following order
OLIVER CROMWELL

Do penance for previously holy female renowned for mischief
EXPIATE

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 by: Duke - Thu, 2 Dec 2021 18:10 UTC

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 3:17:03 PM UTC-8, Tim Chow wrote:
> It's been a while since I've posted to this thread...
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-4, Tim Chow wrote:
> > My colleagues and I have been doing some old jumbo cryptic crosswords from
> > The Times and a few clues have stumped us even after we have seen the answer.
> > I was wondering if someone could explain the following to us. Thanks!
> King's enemy active, bringing soldiers round him, properly following order
> OLIVER CROMWELL
>
"Active" is LIVE, the "soldiers" are OR, a British convention denoting "other ranks" (I guess corresponding roughly to American "enlisted personnel"). Then WELL ("properly") follows OM, the British "Order of Merit," one of those awards that gives you a medal and letters after your name. Cromwell is defined as "King's enemy."

> Do penance for previously holy female renowned for mischief
> EXPIATE

"holy" clues PI, apparently short for "pious." ATE (two syllables) is "an ancient Greek goddess personifying the fatal blindness or recklessness that produces crime and the divine punishment that follows it" (from dictionary.com). And of course "previously" gives us EX, and the definition is "do penance for."

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 by: Tim Chow - Thu, 2 Dec 2021 23:04 UTC

On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:10:38 PM UTC-5, Duke wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 3:17:03 PM UTC-8, Tim Chow wrote:
> > King's enemy active, bringing soldiers round him, properly following order
> > OLIVER CROMWELL
> >
> "Active" is LIVE, the "soldiers" are OR, a British convention denoting "other ranks" (I guess corresponding roughly to American "enlisted personnel"). Then WELL ("properly") follows OM, the British "Order of Merit," one of those awards that gives you a medal and letters after your name. Cromwell is defined as "King's enemy."

Thanks for this! But where do the letters CR come from?

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Tim Chow

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 by: Luciano Ward - Thu, 2 Dec 2021 23:45 UTC

On Thursday, 2 December 2021 at 17:05:00 UTC-6, Tim Chow wrote:
> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:10:38 PM UTC-5, Duke wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 3:17:03 PM UTC-8, Tim Chow wrote:
> > > King's enemy active, bringing soldiers round him, properly following order
> > > OLIVER CROMWELL
> > >
> > "Active" is LIVE, the "soldiers" are OR, a British convention denoting "other ranks" (I guess corresponding roughly to American "enlisted personnel"). Then WELL ("properly") follows OM, the British "Order of Merit," one of those awards that gives you a medal and letters after your name. Cromwell is defined as "King's enemy."
> Thanks for this! But where do the letters CR come from?
>
> ---
> Tim Chow

I believe it's an abbreviation for 'Charles Rex' or 'Carolus Rex', referring to King Charles I ('him'), who came to a bad end under said enemy.

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 by: David A - Wed, 8 Dec 2021 23:54 UTC

On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 8:15:33 PM UTC-3:30, Luciano Ward wrote:
> On Thursday, 2 December 2021 at 17:05:00 UTC-6, Tim Chow wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 1:10:38 PM UTC-5, Duke wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 3:17:03 PM UTC-8, Tim Chow wrote:
> > > > King's enemy active, bringing soldiers round him, properly following order
> > > > OLIVER CROMWELL
> > > >
> > > "Active" is LIVE, the "soldiers" are OR, a British convention denoting "other ranks" (I guess corresponding roughly to American "enlisted personnel"). Then WELL ("properly") follows OM, the British "Order of Merit," one of those awards that gives you a medal and letters after your name. Cromwell is defined as "King's enemy."
> > Thanks for this! But where do the letters CR come from?
> >
> > ---
> > Tim Chow
> I believe it's an abbreviation for 'Charles Rex' or 'Carolus Rex', referring to King Charles I ('him'), who came to a bad end under said enemy.
Good call, Luciano!

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