Snag <snag_one@msn.com> writes:
>On 11/1/2023 12:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>>> On 11/1/2023 12:05 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>>>>> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>
>>>>> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
>>>>> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
>>>>> come after more of us.
>>>>
>>>> Are you claiming that you're cheating the rest of us and you're pissed
>>>> because they might come after you for it?
>>>>
>>>> They're going after the fancy schemes used by rich to illegally shield
>>>> their income.
>>>>
>>>> The IRS could care less if you claimed more charitable contributions
>>>> than you actually made.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Kind of response I expected from you.
>>
>> In other words, you can't defend your statement, so you resort
>> to ad homenim.
>>
>> What is the problem with the IRS 'coming after more of us' if you're
>> not cheating?
>>
>
> The master of ad hominems attacks !

Yes, Frank usually resorts to that tactic.

>The fact of the matter is that
>there are so many conflicting tax laws that it is not possible to file a
>return without any conflicts or mistakes they can hang you with .

That's certainly not the fault of the IRS. Congress creates the
tax laws. If you don't like them, ask your rep to fix them.

And your complaint only applies to some 1% of tax filers, the rest
have no such conflicting issues to be concerned with.

>However , I don't think that's what those 87,000 are for . They've also
>purchased a lot of "weapons of war" , and many millions of rounds of
>ammo .

OK, Now you are completely in friggin nutcase territory.

On 2023-11-01, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
>>On 2023-11-01, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
>>> the crazies.
>>
>>He is kind of crazy. Just not as boisterous as MTG, for example.
>>
> Kinda? An election denier is just the start... Religious nutter
> trying to force his religion on everyone. Against the ACA.

"Kinda" by modern GOP standards. No Jewish space lasers. AFAIK,
no demon possession by having sex. Or maybe he just hasn't gotten
around to mentioning the latter.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2023-11-01, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Snag <snag_one@msn.com> writes:
>>On 11/1/2023 12:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>>>> On 11/1/2023 12:05 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>>>>>> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
>>>>>> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
>>>>>> come after more of us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you claiming that you're cheating the rest of us and you're pissed
>>>>> because they might come after you for it?
>>>>>
>>>>> They're going after the fancy schemes used by rich to illegally shield
>>>>> their income.
>>>>>
>>>>> The IRS could care less if you claimed more charitable contributions
>>>>> than you actually made.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind of response I expected from you.
>>>
>>> In other words, you can't defend your statement, so you resort
>>> to ad homenim.
>>>
>>> What is the problem with the IRS 'coming after more of us' if you're
>>> not cheating?
>>>
>>
>> The master of ad hominems attacks !
>
> Yes, Frank usually resorts to that tactic.
>
>>The fact of the matter is that
>>there are so many conflicting tax laws that it is not possible to file a
>>return without any conflicts or mistakes they can hang you with .
>
> That's certainly not the fault of the IRS. Congress creates the
> tax laws. If you don't like them, ask your rep to fix them.
>
> And your complaint only applies to some 1% of tax filers, the rest
> have no such conflicting issues to be concerned with.

A person with a W-2 who takes the standard deduction would be hard-
pressed to file a return _with_ conflicts or mistakes. The IRS is
pretty forgiving of arithmetic errors.

>>However , I don't think that's what those 87,000 are for . They've also
>>purchased a lot of "weapons of war" , and many millions of rounds of
>>ammo .
>
> OK, Now you are completely in friggin nutcase territory.

In any event, it's not 87,000 all at once. It's over the course
of a decade. And they're not all auditors. That figure include
those geniuses who answer taxpayer questions and all other kinds
of employees.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 11/1/23 11:40, Snag wrote:
> On 11/1/2023 12:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>>> On 11/1/2023 12:05 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>>>>> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>
>>>>> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would
>>>>> get the
>>>>> rich to pay their fair share.  The BS part is that we know they will
>>>>> come after more of us.
>>>>
>>>> Are you claiming that you're cheating the rest of us and you're pissed
>>>> because they might come after you for it?
>>>>
>>>> They're going after the fancy schemes used by rich to illegally shield
>>>> their income.
>>>>
>>>> The IRS could care less if you claimed more charitable contributions
>>>> than you actually made.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Kind of response I expected from you.
>>
>> In other words, you can't defend your statement, so you resort
>> to ad homenim.
>>
>> What is the problem with the IRS 'coming after more of us' if you're
>> not cheating?
>>
>
>   The master of ad hominems attacks ! The fact of the matter is that
> there are so many conflicting tax laws that it is not possible to file a
> return without any conflicts or mistakes they can hang you with .
> However , I don't think that's what those 87,000 are for . They've also
> purchased a lot of "weapons of war" , and many millions of rounds of
> ammo . I think those new hires are to be the "enforcement arm" of the
> tax thieves . These are not sworn law enforcement (AFAIK) and are not
> obligated to support the constitution ...

You missed one: targeting your political enemies.

On 11/1/23 12:05, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 18:55:43 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>
>> Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
>>> On 2023-11-01, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
>>>> the crazies.
>>>
>>> He is kind of crazy. Just not as boisterous as MTG, for example.
>>>
>> Kinda? An election denier is just the start... Religious nutter
>> trying to force his religion on everyone. Against the ACA.
>>
>> He believes that teaching evolution is one of the causes of
>> mass shootings.
>>
>> He doesn't believe in the separation of church and state.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Johnson_(Louisiana_politician)
>>
>> Probably the worst and most anti-freedom speaker the GOP has ever had.
>
>
> Someone should have drained _that_ Louisiana swamp ..
> John T.

Be careful, the wikipedia cite:

Scott, Rachel; Siegel, Benjamin; Peller, Lauren; Beth Hensley, Sarah
(October 25, 2023). "Who is new House Speaker Mike Johnson?". ABC News.
Archived from the original on October 25, 2023. Retrieved October 26, 2023.

is American Pravda (abc news). Wikipedia is well know to be
wildly politically slanted to the left.

Here is his quote from the ABC hit piece:
https://politicalwire.com/2023/10/26/johnson-doesnt-believe-in-separation-of-church-and-state/

“the founders wanted to protect the church from an
encroaching state, not the other way around.”

This is true. The first amendment clearly states such:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

In the hit piece, Johnson went on to state:

"If anybody tries to convince you that your biblical beliefs
or your religious viewpoint needs to separated from public
affairs, you should politely remind them to review their
history and you should not back down.”

Ahh! Now we see what he is specifically talking about. The
Left believes in "freedom from religion", not "freedom of
religion". This was American Pravda's twist.

The Left wants NO moral values other than their own taken
to government.

v Pravde net izvestiy, v Izvestiyakh net pravdy

On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
> >>
> >> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
> >>
> >> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
> >>
> >> -T
> >
> > The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
> > tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
> > somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
> > multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
> > revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
> > in lost revenue.
> >
> > As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
> > the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
> > And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
> > how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
> > surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
> come after more of us.

Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
to the Trump GOP.

On 11/3/2023 10:09 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
>>>>
>>>> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
>>>>
>>>> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> -T
>>>
>>> The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
>>> tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
>>> somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
>>> multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
>>> revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
>>> in lost revenue.
>>>
>>> As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
>>> the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
>>> And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
>>> how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
>>> surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
>> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
>> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
>> come after more of us.
>
> Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
> it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
> jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
> been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
> in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
> Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
> to the Trump GOP.

Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
TDS?

Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>On 11/3/2023 10:09 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
>>>>>
>>>>> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> -T
>>>>
>>>> The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
>>>> tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
>>>> somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
>>>> multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
>>>> revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
>>>> in lost revenue.
>>>>
>>>> As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
>>>> the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
>>>> And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
>>>> how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
>>>> surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
>>> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
>>> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
>>> come after more of us.
>>
>> Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
>> it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
>> jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
>> been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
>> in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
>> Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
>> to the Trump GOP.
>
>
>Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
>TDS?

So you cannot refute Trader's argument, and you devolve to ad hominem. Again.

On 11/3/2023 9:59 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>> On 11/3/2023 10:09 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -T
>>>>>
>>>>> The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
>>>>> tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
>>>>> somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
>>>>> multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
>>>>> revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
>>>>> in lost revenue.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
>>>>> the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
>>>>> And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
>>>>> how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
>>>>> surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
>>>> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
>>>> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
>>>> come after more of us.
>>>
>>> Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
>>> it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
>>> jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
>>> been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
>>> in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
>>> Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
>>> to the Trump GOP.
>>
>>
>> Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
>> TDS?
>
> So you cannot refute Trader's argument, and you devolve to ad hominem. Again.

Funny how the people who whine about other's "TDS" are the ones that are
obviously deranged, by trump lies.

On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:50:52 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:

>
>
>Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
>TDS?
>

A new syndrome has been identified -

Deranged
Ultra
Myopic
MAGA
Syndrome

myopic :

2. unable or unwilling to act prudently;
3. lacking tolerance or understanding;

.... the sufferers are often referred to by the acronym
DUMMies
John T.
:-)

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 10:59:00 -0700, Bob F
<bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/3/2023 9:59 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>>> On 11/3/2023 10:09 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48?AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>>> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16?AM UTC-4, T wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -T
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
>>>>>> tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
>>>>>> somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
>>>>>> multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
>>>>>> revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
>>>>>> in lost revenue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
>>>>>> the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
>>>>>> And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
>>>>>> how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
>>>>>> surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
>>>>> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
>>>>> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
>>>>> come after more of us.
>>>>
>>>> Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
>>>> it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
>>>> jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
>>>> been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
>>>> in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
>>>> Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
>>>> to the Trump GOP.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
>>> TDS?
>>
>> So you cannot refute Trader's argument, and you devolve to ad hominem. Again.
>
>Funny how the people who whine about other's "TDS" are the ones that are
>obviously deranged, by trump lies.

Absolutely. Deep down, that must be what they meant when they come up
with the term.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Nov 2023 15:25:06 -0400,
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

>On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:50:52 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
>>TDS?
>>
>
>
> A new syndrome has been identified -
>
>Deranged
>Ultra
>Myopic
>MAGA
>Syndrome
>
>myopic :
>
>2. unable or unwilling to act prudently;
>3. lacking tolerance or understanding;
>
>... the sufferers are often referred to by the acronym
> DUMMies
> John T.
> :-)

I heard that word used on the news, or talk radio, and I didn't know
what was meant. Good, now I know.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48?AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16?AM UTC-4, T wrote:
>> >> Hi All,
>> >>
>> >> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
>> >>
>> >> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
>> >>
>> >> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
>> >>
>> >> -T
>> >
>> > The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
>> > tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
>> > somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
>> > multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
>> > revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
>> > in lost revenue.
>> >
>> > As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
>> > the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
>> > And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
>> > how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
>> > surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
>> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
>> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
>> come after more of us.
>
>Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
>it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
>jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
>been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
>in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
>Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
>to the Trump GOP.

Yes, if it had worked in a reasonable time, a month or less, and even if
it didn't work but to make a point, it would have been okay. But
almost 9 months makes him look like a jackass who's too stupid to know
that he's hurting the military and innocent soldiers. Especially from a
guy who never served in the armed forces. Neither have I but that would
be one more reason I wouldn't pull a stupid stunt like this.

No wonder his name is Tuberville. He's one big yam.

On 11/3/2023 3:25 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:50:52 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
>> TDS?
>>
>
>
> A new syndrome has been identified -
>
> Deranged
> Ultra
> Myopic
> MAGA
> Syndrome
>
> myopic :
>
> 2. unable or unwilling to act prudently;
> 3. lacking tolerance or understanding;
>
> ... the sufferers are often referred to by the acronym
> DUMMies
> John T.
> :-)

If someone says, he I want you to meet my friend. He is charged with 40
felonies, has been convicted of sexual abuse, draft dodger, calls war
heroes suckers, makes fun of disabled vets, so I'll have him join us at
your house tonight.

Your reaction most likely would be, HELL NO. Yet people want him to be
the leader of our country.

On 2023-11-03, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
> On 11/3/2023 3:25 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:50:52 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
>>> TDS?
>>>
>>
>>
>> A new syndrome has been identified -
>>
>> Deranged
>> Ultra
>> Myopic
>> MAGA
>> Syndrome
>>
>> myopic :
>>
>> 2. unable or unwilling to act prudently;
>> 3. lacking tolerance or understanding;
>>
>> ... the sufferers are often referred to by the acronym
>> DUMMies
>> John T.
>> :-)
>
> If someone says, he I want you to meet my friend. He is charged with 40
> felonies, has been convicted of sexual abuse, draft dodger, calls war
> heroes suckers, makes fun of disabled vets, so I'll have him join us at
> your house tonight.

Even before all that, I recognized Donald Trump as the sort of guy
you avoid standing near, and walk away from when seeing him at a
cocktail party.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 2:02:52 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
> On 11/3/2023 9:59 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
> >> On 11/3/2023 10:09 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >>>> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -T
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
> >>>>> tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
> >>>>> somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
> >>>>> multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
> >>>>> revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
> >>>>> in lost revenue.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
> >>>>> the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
> >>>>> And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
> >>>>> how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
> >>>>> surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
> >>>> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
> >>>> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
> >>>> come after more of us.
> >>>
> >>> Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
> >>> it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
> >>> jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
> >>> been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
> >>> in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
> >>> Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
> >>> to the Trump GOP.
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
> >> TDS?
> >
> > So you cannot refute Trader's argument, and you devolve to ad hominem. Again.
> Funny how the people who whine about other's "TDS" are the ones that are
> obviously deranged, by trump lies.

And it's not like Trump is still front and center in the public forum, running for
president, sucking up all the oxygen, making himself the center of attention, right?
Oh wait, he is.

On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 4:12:51 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48?AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16?AM UTC-4, T wrote:
> >> >> Hi All,
> >> >>
> >> >> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
> >> >>
> >> >> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> -T
> >> >
> >> > The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
> >> > tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
> >> > somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
> >> > multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
> >> > revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
> >> > in lost revenue.
> >> >
> >> > As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
> >> > the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
> >> > And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
> >> > how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
> >> > surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
> >> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
> >> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
> >> come after more of us.
> >
> >Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
> >it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
> >jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
> >been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
> >in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
> >Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
> >to the Trump GOP.
> Yes, if it had worked in a reasonable time, a month or less, and even if
> it didn't work but to make a point, it would have been okay. But
> almost 9 months makes him look like a jackass who's too stupid to know
> that he's hurting the military and innocent soldiers. Especially from a
> guy who never served in the armed forces. Neither have I but that would
> be one more reason I wouldn't pull a stupid stunt like this.
>
> No wonder his name is Tuberville. He's one big yam.

And now many of the other GOP Senators are fed up, calling him out, so there is
a bit of a GOP crap show going on in the Senate too.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 14:34:01 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 4:12:51?PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
>> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48?AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> >> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16?AM UTC-4, T wrote:
>> >> >> Hi All,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -T
>> >> >
>> >> > The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
>> >> > tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
>> >> > somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
>> >> > multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
>> >> > revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
>> >> > in lost revenue.
>> >> >
>> >> > As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
>> >> > the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
>> >> > And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
>> >> > how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
>> >> > surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
>> >> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
>> >> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
>> >> come after more of us.
>> >
>> >Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
>> >it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
>> >jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
>> >been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
>> >in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
>> >Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
>> >to the Trump GOP.
>> Yes, if it had worked in a reasonable time, a month or less, and even if
>> it didn't work but to make a point, it would have been okay. But
>> almost 9 months makes him look like a jackass who's too stupid to know
>> that he's hurting the military and innocent soldiers. Especially from a
>> guy who never served in the armed forces. Neither have I but that would
>> be one more reason I wouldn't pull a stupid stunt like this.
>>
>> No wonder his name is Tuberville. He's one big yam.
>
>And now many of the other GOP Senators are fed up, calling him out, so there is
>a bit of a GOP crap show going on in the Senate too.

I'm not sure. When the news report started, I thought it would be a
lot, but later it seemed to be only 2. A woman and a man who were both
in the armed forces. I guess I missed one word, a number, it could be
more and they only played the words of two of them.

trader_4 wrote:
> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 2:02:52 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
>> On 11/3/2023 9:59 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>>>> On 11/3/2023 10:09 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -T
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
>>>>>>> tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
>>>>>>> somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
>>>>>>> multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
>>>>>>> revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
>>>>>>> in lost revenue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
>>>>>>> the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
>>>>>>> And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
>>>>>>> how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
>>>>>>> surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
>>>>>> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
>>>>>> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
>>>>>> come after more of us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
>>>>> it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
>>>>> jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
>>>>> been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
>>>>> in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
>>>>> Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
>>>>> to the Trump GOP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
>>>> TDS?
>>>
>>> So you cannot refute Trader's argument, and you devolve to ad hominem. Again.
>> Funny how the people who whine about other's "TDS" are the ones that are
>> obviously deranged, by trump lies.
>
> And it's not like Trump is still front and center in the public forum, running for
> president, sucking up all the oxygen, making himself the center of attention, right?
> Oh wait, he is.
>

When the Democrats started censoring people (even medical doctors) who were discussing treatment options for the Montana-Wuhan Virus, I instantly knew the Democrats were evil.
Censorship is the act of an evil tyrant dictator.

If someone doesn't like freedom, they should get the eff out of the US and move to a commie country. FJB and the commiecrats!

On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 5:40:15 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 14:34:01 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 4:12:51?PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
> >> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
> >> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48?AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> >> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16?AM UTC-4, T wrote:
> >> >> >> Hi All,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -T
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
> >> >> > tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
> >> >> > somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
> >> >> > multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
> >> >> > revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
> >> >> > in lost revenue.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
> >> >> > the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
> >> >> > And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
> >> >> > how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
> >> >> > surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
> >> >> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
> >> >> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
> >> >> come after more of us.
> >> >
> >> >Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
> >> >it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
> >> >jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
> >> >been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
> >> >in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
> >> >Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
> >> >to the Trump GOP.
> >> Yes, if it had worked in a reasonable time, a month or less, and even if
> >> it didn't work but to make a point, it would have been okay. But
> >> almost 9 months makes him look like a jackass who's too stupid to know
> >> that he's hurting the military and innocent soldiers. Especially from a
> >> guy who never served in the armed forces. Neither have I but that would
> >> be one more reason I wouldn't pull a stupid stunt like this.
> >>
> >> No wonder his name is Tuberville. He's one big yam.
> >
> >And now many of the other GOP Senators are fed up, calling him out, so there is
> >a bit of a GOP crap show going on in the Senate too.
> I'm not sure. When the news report started, I thought it would be a
> lot, but later it seemed to be only 2. A woman and a man who were both
> in the armed forces. I guess I missed one word, a number, it could be
> more and they only played the words of two of them.

Other questions are how one Senator can do this and why in 9 months they
couldn't just do the approvals one at a time? They have done some individually,
Tuberville is apparently just blocking doing them in batches. Definitely some
screwed up rules and processes that need to be changed and the work ethic
seems to be lacking too.

Ed P wrote:
> On 11/3/2023 3:25 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:50:52 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
>>> TDS?
>>>
>>
>>
>>    A  new syndrome has been identified  -
>>
>> Deranged
>> Ultra
>> Myopic
>> MAGA
>> Syndrome
>>
>> myopic  :
>>
>> 2. unable or unwilling to act prudently;
>> 3. lacking tolerance or understanding;
>>
>> ...  the sufferers are often referred to by the  acronym
>>    DUMMies
>>     John T.
>>       :-)
>
> If someone says, he I want you to meet my friend.  He is charged with 40 felonies, has been convicted of sexual abuse, draft dodger, calls war heroes suckers, makes fun of disabled vets, so I'll have him join us at your house tonight.
>
> Your reaction most likely would be, HELL NO.  Yet people want him to be the leader of our country.

And you vote for the party of treasonous liars who perpetrated the Russia Collusion Hoax?

https://capitalresearch.org/article/players-in-the-russia-collusion-hoax-part-2/

Or the treasonous liars who claimed Hunter's laptop was fake?

https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2022/03/named-and-shamed-the-51-intel-officials-who-lied-about-the-hunter-biden-laptop-emails/

And you are willing to let the corrupt Soros judges pre-select candidates for US elections? Is that not blatant election interference?

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 4 Nov 2023 07:14:47 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 5:40:15?PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 14:34:01 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
>> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 4:12:51?PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
>> >> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Nov 2023 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
>> >> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:53:48?AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> >> >> On 11/1/2023 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> >> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:16?AM UTC-4, T wrote:
>> >> >> >> Hi All,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> House GOP Unveils Bill to Fund Israel by Cutting IRS Budget
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-republicans-funding/2023/10/30/id/1140294/
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) !!!!!!!!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -T
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The logic of the linkage there escapes me. Seems money spent at IRS generates
>> >> >> > tax revenue which the govt desperately needs. I don't disagree with making cuts
>> >> >> > somewhere to offset additional funding for Israel or Ukraine, but seems it should be across
>> >> >> > multiple areas, almost all of which are just money outflows that don't generate
>> >> >> > revenue. Instead they target one of the few agencies where more cuts could result
>> >> >> > in lost revenue.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > As to the new Speaker, we'll see how he does now that it's his job to deal with
>> >> >> > the crazies. He also sure looks like a lovely target for the Democrats to run against.
>> >> >> > And he has something in common with George Santos. He came out of nowhere,
>> >> >> > how much has he been vetted? Now that he's a highly visible target, I would not be
>> >> >> > surprised to see something pop up from his past to put him in crisis mode.
>> >> >> They doubled the size of the IRS telling us the BS that it would get the
>> >> >> rich to pay their fair share. The BS part is that we know they will
>> >> >> come after more of us.
>> >> >
>> >> >Is IRS after you? They aren't bothering me. I see CBO estimates that if this goes through
>> >> >it will increase the deficits by $25 bil, so there's that. But it won't pass the Senate, the new
>> >> >jackass knows that. I see that other jackass, Tuberville is still holding up military promotions,
>> >> >been going on since February because he's demanding they stop paying for travel if a woman
>> >> >in the military needs to go out of state for an abortion. That's some bizarre linkage too.
>> >> >Punishing military people, putting the military organization and command in jeopardy. Welcome
>> >> >to the Trump GOP.
>> >> Yes, if it had worked in a reasonable time, a month or less, and even if
>> >> it didn't work but to make a point, it would have been okay. But
>> >> almost 9 months makes him look like a jackass who's too stupid to know
>> >> that he's hurting the military and innocent soldiers. Especially from a
>> >> guy who never served in the armed forces. Neither have I but that would
>> >> be one more reason I wouldn't pull a stupid stunt like this.
>> >>
>> >> No wonder his name is Tuberville. He's one big yam.
>> >
>> >And now many of the other GOP Senators are fed up, calling him out, so there is
>> >a bit of a GOP crap show going on in the Senate too.
>> I'm not sure. When the news report started, I thought it would be a
>> lot, but later it seemed to be only 2. A woman and a man who were both
>> in the armed forces. I guess I missed one word, a number, it could be

This was supposed to be, "I guess IF i missed one word...."

>> more and they only played the words of two of them.
>
>Other questions are how one Senator can do this

In the past they used good judgment or compromised quickly. At least
most of the time.

> and why in 9 months they
>couldn't just do the approvals one at a time?

Because each has a miniumun debate time that amounts to hours each and
with 100's to do it would take weeks of nothing but that.

> They have done some individually,
>Tuberville is apparently just blocking doing them in batches.

And by unanimous consent. Unamimous implies that no one is objecting.

>Definitely some
>screwed up rules and processes that need to be changed and the work ethic
>seems to be lacking too.

On 11/3/23 12:25, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 11:50:52 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> Do you realize that all your responses cause you to disclose your severe
>> TDS?
>>
>
>
> A new syndrome has been identified -
>
> Deranged
> Ultra
> Myopic
> MAGA
> Syndrome
>
> myopic :
>
> 2. unable or unwilling to act prudently;
> 3. lacking tolerance or understanding;
>
> ... the sufferers are often referred to by the acronym
> DUMMies
> John T.
> :-)

Translation: those that refuse to conform to what the
anointed have dictated and choose to think for
themselves.

John, you did not help Orwell write 1984?