OT Kevin McCarthy, the immediate past Speaker of the House, said today
or yesterday that he expected trump to be the next president, and he
wanted him to be.

Some questions I wish reporters would ask Repub. politicians:

Do you think President trump used adequate care in his handing of secret
and top secret documents.

If he says Yes,... So do you use the same standards he does when you
have possession of or have read secret and top secret documents?

If he says his standards are higher/stricter:
If your standards are higher, why do you think trump's standards are
adequate? Are you just being eccentric?

If he says No, Then why do you support someone who mishandles the
nations security?

On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 19:52:05 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>OT Kevin McCarthy, the immediate past Speaker of the House, said today
>or yesterday that he expected trump to be the next president, and he
>wanted him to be.
>Some questions I wish reporters would ask Repub. politicians:
>Do you think President trump used adequate care in his handing of secret
>and top secret documents.
>If he says Yes,... So do you use the same standards he does when you
>have possession of or have read secret and top secret documents?
>If he says his standards are higher/stricter:
>If your standards are higher, why do you think trump's standards are
>adequate? Are you just being eccentric?
>If he says No, Then why do you support someone who mishandles the
>nations security?
>

Yes No ... seriously !
They're politicians ... they'll rattle off talking points
ask for a donation and leave you to answer your own
Yes No questions .. geeezze.
John T.

micky wrote:
> OT Kevin McCarthy, the immediate past Speaker of the House, said today
> or yesterday that he expected trump to be the next president, and he
> wanted him to be.
>
> Some questions I wish reporters would ask Repub. politicians:
>
> Do you think President trump used adequate care in his handing of secret
> and top secret documents.
>
> If he says Yes,... So do you use the same standards he does when you
> have possession of or have read secret and top secret documents?
>
> If he says his standards are higher/stricter:
> If your standards are higher, why do you think trump's standards are
> adequate? Are you just being eccentric?
>
>
>
> If he says No, Then why do you support someone who mishandles the
> nations security?
>

I'd like to ask a Demoncrap about Bidenomics (not that I'd get an honest answer).

Bidenomics: Americans Falling Behind on Auto Payments at Record Rate, Mass Repossessions Looming

A new snapshot of the struggles of American consumers to keep up with their bills comes from data showing a rise in vehicle owners having trouble making their payments on time.

The rate of subprime interest rate borrowers who are behind 60 days or more on their payments hit 6.11 percent in September, according to Bloomberg.

That’s the highest share who can’t make ends meet since 1994, and up from the 5.93 percent rate at the start of this year.

“The subprime borrower is getting squeezed. They can often be a first line of where we start to see the negative effects of macroeconomic headwinds,” Margaret Rowe, senior director at Fitch, said.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/bidenomics-americans-falling-behind-auto-payments-record-rate/

On 10/23/2023 6:26 AM, Skid Marks wrote:
> micky wrote:
>> OT Kevin McCarthy, the immediate past Speaker of the House, said today
>> or yesterday that he expected trump to be the next president, and he
>> wanted him to be.
>>
>> Some questions I wish reporters would ask Repub. politicians:
>>
>> Do you think President trump used adequate care in his handing of secret
>> and top secret documents.
>>
>> If he says Yes,... So do you use the same standards he does when you
>> have possession of or have read secret and top secret documents?
>>
>> If he says his standards are higher/stricter:
>> If your standards are higher, why do you think trump's standards are
>> adequate?   Are you just being eccentric?
>>
>>
>>
>> If he says No,   Then why do you support someone who mishandles the
>> nations security?
>>
>
>
> I'd like to ask a Demoncrap about Bidenomics (not that I'd get an honest
> answer).
>
>
> Bidenomics: Americans Falling Behind on Auto Payments at Record Rate,
> Mass Repossessions Looming
>
> A new snapshot of the struggles of American consumers to keep up with
> their bills comes from data showing a rise in vehicle owners having
> trouble making their payments on time.
>
> The rate of subprime interest rate borrowers who are behind 60 days or
> more on their payments hit 6.11 percent in September, according to
> Bloomberg.
>
> That’s the highest share who can’t make ends meet since 1994, and up
> from the 5.93 percent rate at the start of this year.
>
> “The subprime borrower is getting squeezed. They can often be a first
> line of where we start to see the negative effects of macroeconomic
> headwinds,” Margaret Rowe, senior director at Fitch, said.
>
>
> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/bidenomics-americans-falling-behind-auto-payments-record-rate/
>
mickey et al do not care about the poor economy, open borders, wars
breaking out etc. They are blinded by our sycophantic media and their TDS.

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 10:45:44 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 10/23/2023 6:26 AM, Skid Marks wrote:
> > micky wrote:
> >> OT Kevin McCarthy, the immediate past Speaker of the House, said today
> >> or yesterday that he expected trump to be the next president, and he
> >> wanted him to be.
> >>
> >> Some questions I wish reporters would ask Repub. politicians:
> >>
> >> Do you think President trump used adequate care in his handing of secret
> >> and top secret documents.
> >>
> >> If he says Yes,... So do you use the same standards he does when you
> >> have possession of or have read secret and top secret documents?
> >>
> >> If he says his standards are higher/stricter:
> >> If your standards are higher, why do you think trump's standards are
> >> adequate? Are you just being eccentric?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If he says No, Then why do you support someone who mishandles the
> >> nations security?
> >>
> >
> >
> > I'd like to ask a Demoncrap about Bidenomics (not that I'd get an honest
> > answer).
> >
> >
> > Bidenomics: Americans Falling Behind on Auto Payments at Record Rate,
> > Mass Repossessions Looming
> >
> > A new snapshot of the struggles of American consumers to keep up with
> > their bills comes from data showing a rise in vehicle owners having
> > trouble making their payments on time.
> >
> > The rate of subprime interest rate borrowers who are behind 60 days or
> > more on their payments hit 6.11 percent in September, according to
> > Bloomberg.
> >
> > That’s the highest share who can’t make ends meet since 1994, and up
> > from the 5.93 percent rate at the start of this year.
> >
> > “The subprime borrower is getting squeezed. They can often be a first
> > line of where we start to see the negative effects of macroeconomic
> > headwinds,” Margaret Rowe, senior director at Fitch, said.
> >
> >
> > https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/bidenomics-americans-falling-behind-auto-payments-record-rate/
> >
> mickey et al do not care about the poor economy, open borders, wars
> breaking out etc. They are blinded by our sycophantic media and their TDS..

I'm sure Micky and most other people wouldn't care much about Trump at this
point if he was not running for president again, with 58% support from Republicans.
And I would not call this a poor economy. GDP is growing, unemployment
is at historic lows, I see help wanted signs up all over town. Inflation is a problem,
but at least it's headed down and has been cut in half. My biggest concern is
that the FED is overdoing it, going to cause a recession, instead of waiting a
few months to see how what they have already done works.

On 10/23/2023 6:26 AM, Skid Marks wrote:

>
>
> Bidenomics: Americans Falling Behind on Auto Payments at Record Rate,
> Mass Repossessions Looming

That happens when you buy a BMW on a Chevy budget.

On 2023-10-23, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> I'm sure Micky and most other people wouldn't care much about Trump at this
> point if he was not running for president again, with 58% support from Republicans.

I certainly would like to see him up against the wall for his handling
of classified documents. If he were anybody else, he'd already be
in prison.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 10/23/2023 11:07 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 10:45:44 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 10/23/2023 6:26 AM, Skid Marks wrote:
>>> micky wrote:
>>>> OT Kevin McCarthy, the immediate past Speaker of the House, said today
>>>> or yesterday that he expected trump to be the next president, and he
>>>> wanted him to be.
>>>>
>>>> Some questions I wish reporters would ask Repub. politicians:
>>>>
>>>> Do you think President trump used adequate care in his handing of secret
>>>> and top secret documents.
>>>>
>>>> If he says Yes,... So do you use the same standards he does when you
>>>> have possession of or have read secret and top secret documents?
>>>>
>>>> If he says his standards are higher/stricter:
>>>> If your standards are higher, why do you think trump's standards are
>>>> adequate? Are you just being eccentric?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If he says No, Then why do you support someone who mishandles the
>>>> nations security?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to ask a Demoncrap about Bidenomics (not that I'd get an honest
>>> answer).
>>>
>>>
>>> Bidenomics: Americans Falling Behind on Auto Payments at Record Rate,
>>> Mass Repossessions Looming
>>>
>>> A new snapshot of the struggles of American consumers to keep up with
>>> their bills comes from data showing a rise in vehicle owners having
>>> trouble making their payments on time.
>>>
>>> The rate of subprime interest rate borrowers who are behind 60 days or
>>> more on their payments hit 6.11 percent in September, according to
>>> Bloomberg.
>>>
>>> That’s the highest share who can’t make ends meet since 1994, and up
>>> from the 5.93 percent rate at the start of this year.
>>>
>>> “The subprime borrower is getting squeezed. They can often be a first
>>> line of where we start to see the negative effects of macroeconomic
>>> headwinds,” Margaret Rowe, senior director at Fitch, said.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/bidenomics-americans-falling-behind-auto-payments-record-rate/
>>>
>> mickey et al do not care about the poor economy, open borders, wars
>> breaking out etc. They are blinded by our sycophantic media and their TDS.
>
> I'm sure Micky and most other people wouldn't care much about Trump at this
> point if he was not running for president again, with 58% support from Republicans.
> And I would not call this a poor economy. GDP is growing, unemployment
> is at historic lows, I see help wanted signs up all over town. Inflation is a problem,
> but at least it's headed down and has been cut in half. My biggest concern is
> that the FED is overdoing it, going to cause a recession, instead of waiting a
> few months to see how what they have already done works.

My et al considered people like you.

With the media, it does not depend on which republican is running as
they will down him equally as they did Trump.

Fortunately people are waking up to media bias buy some like micky et
all never will.

On 10/23/2023 12:41 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-10-23, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure Micky and most other people wouldn't care much about Trump at this
>> point if he was not running for president again, with 58% support from Republicans.
>
> I certainly would like to see him up against the wall for his handling
> of classified documents. If he were anybody else, he'd already be
> in prison.
>

I guess you are blind to the fact that your side did it too.
Biden had them but did the send in the FBI? No, they allowed Biden's
lawyers to investigate.

Corruption and politicization of the bureaucracy started under Obama and
still persists.

On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 12:50:06 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:

>On 10/23/2023 12:41 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2023-10-23, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure Micky and most other people wouldn't care much about Trump at this
>>> point if he was not running for president again, with 58% support from Republicans.
>>
>> I certainly would like to see him up against the wall for his handling
>> of classified documents. If he were anybody else, he'd already be
>> in prison.
>>
>
>I guess you are blind to the fact that your side did it too.
>Biden had them but did the send in the FBI? No, they allowed Biden's
>lawyers to investigate.
>

It wasn't really that The Stable Genius _had_ the documents
that got him in hot water - it was his lying, delaying, obstructing
for several months ... Oh - I guess you are blind to that fact ..
John T.

On 10/23/2023 12:46 PM, Frank wrote:

>
> With the media, it does not depend on which republican is running as
> they will down him equally as they did Trump.
>
> Fortunately people are waking up to media bias buy some like micky et
> all never will.

Yes, I only read news from Alex Jones.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 23 Oct 2023 08:07:12 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 10:45:44?AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 10/23/2023 6:26 AM, Skid Marks wrote:
>> > micky wrote:
>> >> OT Kevin McCarthy, the immediate past Speaker of the House, said today
>> >> or yesterday that he expected trump to be the next president, and he
>> >> wanted him to be.
>> >>
>> >> Some questions I wish reporters would ask Repub. politicians:
>> >>
>> >> Do you think President trump used adequate care in his handing of secret
>> >> and top secret documents.
>> >>
>> >> If he says Yes,... So do you use the same standards he does when you
>> >> have possession of or have read secret and top secret documents?
>> >>
>> >> If he says his standards are higher/stricter:
>> >> If your standards are higher, why do you think trump's standards are
>> >> adequate? Are you just being eccentric?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If he says No, Then why do you support someone who mishandles the
>> >> nations security?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > I'd like to ask a Demoncrap about Bidenomics (not that I'd get an honest
>> > answer).
>> >
>> >
>> > Bidenomics: Americans Falling Behind on Auto Payments at Record Rate,
>> > Mass Repossessions Looming
>> >
>> > A new snapshot of the struggles of American consumers to keep up with
>> > their bills comes from data showing a rise in vehicle owners having
>> > trouble making their payments on time.
>> >
>> > The rate of subprime interest rate borrowers who are behind 60 days or
>> > more on their payments hit 6.11 percent in September, according to
>> > Bloomberg.
>> >
>> > That’s the highest share who can’t make ends meet since 1994, and up
>> > from the 5.93 percent rate at the start of this year.
>> >
>> > “The subprime borrower is getting squeezed. They can often be a first
>> > line of where we start to see the negative effects of macroeconomic
>> > headwinds,” Margaret Rowe, senior director at Fitch, said.
>> >
>> >
>> > https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/bidenomics-americans-falling-behind-auto-payments-record-rate/
>> >
>> mickey et al do not care about the poor economy,

I care about everything that affects people, but a) t he economy is
pretty good. For one thing, Biden doesn't lie like trump and claim that
3 new steel plants have opened when in fact there was never even an
agreement to build them.

> open borders,

That's one of the partial truths** Repubs are spreading. The borders
are, in short, partly closed, partly open.

“[H]alf the truth is often a great lie.” wrote Benjamin Franklin in
1758, and it's certainly true here.

>> wars breaking out etc.

The repubs can't even find a Speaker. They have a crew of 8 who are
anti-American and a bunch of others who were complicit in trying to
steal the election, which is also anti-American.

> They are blinded by our sycophantic media and their TDS.

It's many Repubs who are deranged by trump. If you don't despise him,
you are misled by nonsense you read or you are one of those
>
>I'm sure Micky and most other people wouldn't care much about Trump at this
>point if he was not running for president again, with 58% support from Republicans.

For the record, I would still want to see him in jail. For stealing the
documents, refusing to return them, lying to the public, lying to the
court, obstruction of justice, and showing them to people unauthorized
included foreigners, 20 years would be right.

And he should be in jail for attempting to steal the election. 40 years
for that but since they may not be able to show that he was the
initiator and constant driving force, I'd setttle for 10. And I've
never believed in concurrent sentences. That's like giving a 50%
discount, for no good reason**

**Maybe if someone is young and you figure the vinegar will be out of
him by the time he's 40, and that's what's important, to keep him from
new crimes, for example for fighting, or even armed robbery, then
concurrent might make sense. But trump will never change so he should
not benefit from concurrent. His sentences should be consecutive.

>And I would not call this a poor economy. GDP is growing, unemployment
>is at historic lows, I see help wanted signs up all over town. Inflation is a problem,
>but at least it's headed down and has been cut in half. My biggest concern is
>that the FED is overdoing it, going to cause a recession, instead of waiting a
>few months to see how what they have already done works.

I don't know how to manage the economy. I'll defer to you and Janet
Yellin, et al.

Brings up another topic that deserves it's own thread.

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:46:45 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 10/23/2023 11:07 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 10:45:44 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> On 10/23/2023 6:26 AM, Skid Marks wrote:
> >>> micky wrote:
> >>>> OT Kevin McCarthy, the immediate past Speaker of the House, said today
> >>>> or yesterday that he expected trump to be the next president, and he
> >>>> wanted him to be.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some questions I wish reporters would ask Repub. politicians:
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you think President trump used adequate care in his handing of secret
> >>>> and top secret documents.
> >>>>
> >>>> If he says Yes,... So do you use the same standards he does when you
> >>>> have possession of or have read secret and top secret documents?
> >>>>
> >>>> If he says his standards are higher/stricter:
> >>>> If your standards are higher, why do you think trump's standards are
> >>>> adequate? Are you just being eccentric?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If he says No, Then why do you support someone who mishandles the
> >>>> nations security?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to ask a Demoncrap about Bidenomics (not that I'd get an honest
> >>> answer).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bidenomics: Americans Falling Behind on Auto Payments at Record Rate,
> >>> Mass Repossessions Looming
> >>>
> >>> A new snapshot of the struggles of American consumers to keep up with
> >>> their bills comes from data showing a rise in vehicle owners having
> >>> trouble making their payments on time.
> >>>
> >>> The rate of subprime interest rate borrowers who are behind 60 days or
> >>> more on their payments hit 6.11 percent in September, according to
> >>> Bloomberg.
> >>>
> >>> That’s the highest share who can’t make ends meet since 1994, and up
> >>> from the 5.93 percent rate at the start of this year.
> >>>
> >>> “The subprime borrower is getting squeezed. They can often be a first
> >>> line of where we start to see the negative effects of macroeconomic
> >>> headwinds,” Margaret Rowe, senior director at Fitch, said.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/bidenomics-americans-falling-behind-auto-payments-record-rate/
> >>>
> >> mickey et al do not care about the poor economy, open borders, wars
> >> breaking out etc. They are blinded by our sycophantic media and their TDS.
> >
> > I'm sure Micky and most other people wouldn't care much about Trump at this
> > point if he was not running for president again, with 58% support from Republicans.
> > And I would not call this a poor economy. GDP is growing, unemployment
> > is at historic lows, I see help wanted signs up all over town. Inflation is a problem,
> > but at least it's headed down and has been cut in half. My biggest concern is
> > that the FED is overdoing it, going to cause a recession, instead of waiting a
> > few months to see how what they have already done works.
> My et al considered people like you.
>
> With the media, it does not depend on which republican is running as
> they will down him equally as they did Trump.

Odd then that since 1980 there have been 6 terms with Republican presidents
and 5 with Democrats. And no one but Trump is fool enough to give the media
so much to work with. He does it deliberately, then plays the victim to fool
people like you, claiming they are always picking on him for no reason. Did
you see his latest blatant lie? Now that Sidney Powell has plead guilty, Trump
claims she was never his lawyer. This, like so much with mental case Trump
was predictable, it's the old "I don't even know who she is routine" that he
employs when those around him are no longer useful. So, of course the media
knows that's a lie, they easily find where he tweeted in 2020 about his great legal
team for his stolen election BS, he included Powell with Rudy and the others. So
of course the media runs that story, then people like you claim that they are unfairly
picking on poor little Trump.

>
> Fortunately people are waking up to media bias buy some like micky et
> all never will.

Just like some will never wake up to what Trump really is and how terribly unfit
he is to be president.

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:50:16 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 10/23/2023 12:41 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2023-10-23, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm sure Micky and most other people wouldn't care much about Trump at this
> >> point if he was not running for president again, with 58% support from Republicans.
> >
> > I certainly would like to see him up against the wall for his handling
> > of classified documents. If he were anybody else, he'd already be
> > in prison.
> >
> I guess you are blind to the fact that your side did it too.
> Biden had them but did the send in the FBI? No, they allowed Biden's
> lawyers to investigate.

That's not true, the FBI investigated, a special counsel is investigating,
Biden was recently interviewed. And there are huge differences in the two
cases. Biden's lawyers initially found a few and immediately notified the
authorities. The govt picked them up the next day. If you want to make a
fair comparison, a few were also found at Pence's house, immediately
returned, with no charges brought. With Trump, it was NARA that
discovered that he had hundreds of classified documents while trying to
do their job and get other WH records that Trump had no right to keep back.
NARA then tried to get him to return them and the rest of the WH records.
Trump stonewalled, refused even many months later when he knew
it had been referred to DOJ and a grand jury was looking into it. When a
subpoena was issued, Trump engaged in a conspiracy, moving classified
documents around to hide them from his lawyer who was going to do the
search to comply with the subpoena. Only after all of that did the FBI
finally raid the place to get them back. What is that, if not overwhelming
evidence of an arrogant guy with terribly bad judgment. And if he's that
deranged and foolish, clearly he's unfit to be president. But then we've
told you that time and time again.

>
> Corruption and politicization of the bureaucracy started under Obama and
> still persists.

Right, as always that's the problem, not that Trump flagrantly violated the
laws governing the handling of classified documents, put national security
at risk. He also flagrantly violated the Presidential Records Act and still has
the balls to lie about what the PRA is for and why it was put into place. According
to Trump it was put in place so a president can declare anything he wants
as personal and take it. In reality it was put in place after Watergate over
concern that presidential records are govt property, to be preserved for the
American people and history and to prevent a president from taking them.
Trump either didn't read even the very first part of it or as usual is just lying.
Even a moron could understand what it says and the intent.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title44/chapter22&edition=prelim

§2201. Definitions
As used in this chapter—

(1) The term "documentary material" means all books, correspondence, memoranda, documents, papers, pamphlets, works of art, models, pictures, photographs, plats, maps, films, and motion pictures, including, but not limited to, audio and visual records, or other electronic or mechanical recordations, whether in analog, digital, or any other form.

(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President's immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President's staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) 1 of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.

(3) The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion therof,2 of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes—

(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and

(C) materials relating exclusively to the President's own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:11:27 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 12:50:06 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>
> >On 10/23/2023 12:41 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On 2023-10-23, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure Micky and most other people wouldn't care much about Trump at this
> >>> point if he was not running for president again, with 58% support from Republicans.
> >>
> >> I certainly would like to see him up against the wall for his handling
> >> of classified documents. If he were anybody else, he'd already be
> >> in prison.
> >>
> >
> >I guess you are blind to the fact that your side did it too.
> >Biden had them but did the send in the FBI? No, they allowed Biden's
> >lawyers to investigate.
> >
> It wasn't really that The Stable Genius _had_ the documents
> that got him in hot water - it was his lying, delaying, obstructing
> for several months ... Oh - I guess you are blind to that fact ..
> John T.

It actually went on for a year, until the FBI raided the place. About 8 months in
it was widely reported that DOJ was investigating it and a grand jury was looking
at it. About 10 months in a subpoena was issued for the return of all of them
and instead of complying, Trump engaged in a conspiracy to hide them from
his lawyer who Trump knew was going to conduct a search to comply with the
subpoena.

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 23 Oct 2023 08:07:12 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 10:45:44?AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> On 10/23/2023 6:26 AM, Skid Marks wrote:
> >> > micky wrote:
> >> >> OT Kevin McCarthy, the immediate past Speaker of the House, said today
> >> >> or yesterday that he expected trump to be the next president, and he
> >> >> wanted him to be.
> >> >>
> >> >> Some questions I wish reporters would ask Repub. politicians:
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you think President trump used adequate care in his handing of secret
> >> >> and top secret documents.
> >> >>
> >> >> If he says Yes,... So do you use the same standards he does when you
> >> >> have possession of or have read secret and top secret documents?
> >> >>
> >> >> If he says his standards are higher/stricter:
> >> >> If your standards are higher, why do you think trump's standards are
> >> >> adequate? Are you just being eccentric?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> If he says No, Then why do you support someone who mishandles the
> >> >> nations security?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'd like to ask a Demoncrap about Bidenomics (not that I'd get an honest
> >> > answer).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Bidenomics: Americans Falling Behind on Auto Payments at Record Rate,
> >> > Mass Repossessions Looming
> >> >
> >> > A new snapshot of the struggles of American consumers to keep up with
> >> > their bills comes from data showing a rise in vehicle owners having
> >> > trouble making their payments on time.
> >> >
> >> > The rate of subprime interest rate borrowers who are behind 60 days or
> >> > more on their payments hit 6.11 percent in September, according to
> >> > Bloomberg.
> >> >
> >> > That’s the highest share who can’t make ends meet since 1994, and up
> >> > from the 5.93 percent rate at the start of this year.
> >> >
> >> > “The subprime borrower is getting squeezed. They can often be a first
> >> > line of where we start to see the negative effects of macroeconomic
> >> > headwinds,” Margaret Rowe, senior director at Fitch, said.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/bidenomics-americans-falling-behind-auto-payments-record-rate/
> >> >
> >> mickey et al do not care about the poor economy,
> I care about everything that affects people, but a) t he economy is
> pretty good. For one thing, Biden doesn't lie like trump and claim that
> 3 new steel plants have opened when in fact there was never even an
> agreement to build them.
>
> > open borders,
>
> That's one of the partial truths** Repubs are spreading. The borders
> are, in short, partly closed, partly open.

2.4 mil came across this year, through September. 240K in September alone.
What would open look like, if not that?

>
>
> “[H]alf the truth is often a great lie.” wrote Benjamin Franklin in
> 1758, and it's certainly true here.
>
> >> wars breaking out etc.
>
> The repubs can't even find a Speaker. They have a crew of 8 who are
> anti-American and a bunch of others who were complicit in trying to
> steal the election, which is also anti-American.
> > They are blinded by our sycophantic media and their TDS.
> It's many Repubs who are deranged by trump. If you don't despise him,
> you are misled by nonsense you read or you are one of those
> >
> >I'm sure Micky and most other people wouldn't care much about Trump at this
> >point if he was not running for president again, with 58% support from Republicans.
> For the record, I would still want to see him in jail. For stealing the
> documents, refusing to return them, lying to the public, lying to the
> court, obstruction of justice, and showing them to people unauthorized
> included foreigners, 20 years would be right.
>
> And he should be in jail for attempting to steal the election. 40 years
> for that but since they may not be able to show that he was the
> initiator and constant driving force, I'd setttle for 10. And I've
> never believed in concurrent sentences. That's like giving a 50%
> discount, for no good reason**
>
> **Maybe if someone is young and you figure the vinegar will be out of
> him by the time he's 40, and that's what's important, to keep him from
> new crimes, for example for fighting, or even armed robbery, then
> concurrent might make sense. But trump will never change so he should
> not benefit from concurrent. His sentences should be consecutive.

Between all the cases, he could very well wind up in jail. Of course it looks
like he's going to win the nomination and he could get elected and pardon himself
and everyone else too, except for the GA election case.

Did you see he's now doing the usual, with Sydney Powell pleading guilty,
Trump now says she was never his lawyer? Media quickly found a tweet
Trump put out in 2020 about his great election fraud legal team, it included
her along with Rudy and the others. She was at the press conferences
the lawyers held, she was there with Rudy at Four Seasons Landscaping,
with dye running down Rudy's face.

micky wrote:
> That's one of the partial truths** Repubs are spreading. The borders
> are, in short, partly closed, partly open.
>
>
> “[H]alf the truth is often a great lie.” wrote Benjamin Franklin in
> 1758, and it's certainly true here.

The hull of the Titanic was, in short, partly open, partly closed. Nothing to worry about, only a small void. It was just an ice cube. The ship was mostly floating...until it mostly sank.
The captain was baffled, the ship was engineered to be safe and secure. It could have been so much worse if everyone had not been vaxxinated.

--
If the left could compete in the realm of ideas, they wouldn't want to censor us.

If the left were truly a majority, they wouldn't need to censor us.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 24 Oct 2023 08:11:33 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 12:46:45?PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 10/23/2023 11:07 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> > On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 10:45:44?AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> >> On 10/23/2023 6:26 AM, Skid Marks wrote:
>> >>> micky wrote:
>> >>>> OT Kevin McCarthy, the immediate past Speaker of the House, said today
>> >>>> or yesterday that he expected trump to be the next president, and he
>> >>>> wanted him to be.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Some questions I wish reporters would ask Repub. politicians:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Do you think President trump used adequate care in his handing of secret
>> >>>> and top secret documents.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If he says Yes,... So do you use the same standards he does when you
>> >>>> have possession of or have read secret and top secret documents?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If he says his standards are higher/stricter:
>> >>>> If your standards are higher, why do you think trump's standards are
>> >>>> adequate? Are you just being eccentric?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If he says No, Then why do you support someone who mishandles the
>> >>>> nations security?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I'd like to ask a Demoncrap about Bidenomics (not that I'd get an honest
>> >>> answer).
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Bidenomics: Americans Falling Behind on Auto Payments at Record Rate,
>> >>> Mass Repossessions Looming
>> >>>
>> >>> A new snapshot of the struggles of American consumers to keep up with
>> >>> their bills comes from data showing a rise in vehicle owners having
>> >>> trouble making their payments on time.
>> >>>
>> >>> The rate of subprime interest rate borrowers who are behind 60 days or
>> >>> more on their payments hit 6.11 percent in September, according to
>> >>> Bloomberg.
>> >>>
>> >>> That’s the highest share who can’t make ends meet since 1994, and up
>> >>> from the 5.93 percent rate at the start of this year.
>> >>>
>> >>> “The subprime borrower is getting squeezed. They can often be a first
>> >>> line of where we start to see the negative effects of macroeconomic
>> >>> headwinds,” Margaret Rowe, senior director at Fitch, said.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/bidenomics-americans-falling-behind-auto-payments-record-rate/
>> >>>
>> >> mickey et al do not care about the poor economy, open borders, wars
>> >> breaking out etc. They are blinded by our sycophantic media and their TDS.
>> >
>> > I'm sure Micky and most other people wouldn't care much about Trump at this
>> > point if he was not running for president again, with 58% support from Republicans.
>> > And I would not call this a poor economy. GDP is growing, unemployment
>> > is at historic lows, I see help wanted signs up all over town. Inflation is a problem,
>> > but at least it's headed down and has been cut in half. My biggest concern is
>> > that the FED is overdoing it, going to cause a recession, instead of waiting a
>> > few months to see how what they have already done works.
>> My et al considered people like you.
>>
>> With the media, it does not depend on which republican is running as
>> they will down him equally as they did Trump.
>
>Odd then that since 1980 there have been 6 terms with Republican presidents
>and 5 with Democrats. And no one but Trump is fool enough to give the media
>so much to work with. He does it deliberately, then plays the victim to fool
>people like you, claiming they are always picking on him for no reason. Did
>you see his latest blatant lie? Now that Sidney Powell has plead guilty, Trump
>claims she was never his lawyer.

He won't say this, that she wasn't his lawyer, in court and his lawyer
won't try to show it in court because it's false. He only trots this
stuff out for his gullible followers, who it seems will believe any
tripe he says.

>This, like so much with mental case Trump
>was predictable, it's the old "I don't even know who she is routine" that he
>employs when those around him are no longer useful. So, of course the media
>knows that's a lie, they easily find where he tweeted in 2020 about his great legal
>team for his stolen election BS, he included Powell with Rudy and the others. So
>of course the media runs that story, then people like you claim that they are unfairly
>picking on poor little Trump.
>
>>
>> Fortunately people are waking up to media bias buy some like micky et
>> all never will.
>
>Just like some will never wake up to what Trump really is and how terribly unfit
>he is to be president.

On 2023-10-24, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> 2.4 mil came across this year, through September. 240K in September alone.
> What would open look like, if not that?

We don't know. 5 million? 10 million?

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 11:57:43 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-10-24, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > 2.4 mil came across this year, through September. 240K in September alone.
> > What would open look like, if not that?
> We don't know. 5 million? 10 million?
>
> --
> Cindy Hamilton

Biden still has over a year left to destroy the country, we could find out.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:01:31 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 11:57:43?AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2023-10-24, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > 2.4 mil came across this year, through September. 240K in September alone.

How many were sent back? How many others will be sent back? You don't
say. How many who remain will fill the severe shortage for unskilled
labor here, at least until they learn English.

People who abide by US immigration rules and take years to get a green
card, and perhaps never do because of other things intervening during
that time... they have every reason to be annoyed, angry, outraged at
illegal immigration. For "cutting in line" and probably making it harder
for people to come legally. That is, if there were no illegals, I would
think legal immigration would be increased and probably sped up too.

*They* have reason to be annoyed, but from my pov, and for the same
reasons, whether they know it or not, from the pov of everyone who is
already here, it makes no difference if new residents come legally or
not In fact compared to those who apply at a US consulate and wait in
their homes until their paperwork is approved, those who spend every
penny they have to take the arduous, dangerous, life-threatening 2700
mile trip from Colombia to the US border will on average be
harder-working and more successful by American standards. People who
rage against them are fighting windmills.

>> > What would open look like, if not that?
>> We don't know. 5 million? 10 million?

Many more than that. People who never thought of coming would show up.
Already more come illegally than otherwise would because of all the
Republicans and Trader who keep saying the border is open. Fortunately,
would-be immigrants have other sources of information and they don't all
believe the Republicans and Trader.
>> --
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>Biden still has over a year left to destroy the country, we could find out.

Even though this is Cassandra-like speculation, it's good you mention
it. It will encourage everyone to vote for trump and help him win. I'm
sure that's what you want. How do I know? By what you do.

trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> writes:
>On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:38:11=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, micky wrote:

>>=20
>> That's one of the partial truths** Repubs are spreading. The borders=20
>> are, in short, partly closed, partly open.=20
>
>2.4 mil came across this year, through September. 240K in September alone.
>What would open look like, if not that?

2.3 million were "apprehended" at the border. How many were immediately
returned?

You continue to avoid providing a viable solution.

On 10/24/2023 12:01 PM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 11:57:43 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2023-10-24, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2.4 mil came across this year, through September. 240K in September alone.
>>> What would open look like, if not that?
>> We don't know. 5 million? 10 million?
>>
>> --
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Biden still has over a year left to destroy the country, we could find out.
>

Illegal entries under Biden exceed at least more then the population of
half dozen states combined.

Wyoming - 576,851.
Vermont - 643,077.
Alaska - 733,391.
North Dakota - 779,094.
South Dakota - 886,667.
Delaware - 989,948.
Montana - 1,084,225.
Rhode Island - 1,097,379.

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 12:23:59 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:01:31 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 11:57:43?AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On 2023-10-24, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 2.4 mil came across this year, through September. 240K in September alone.
> How many were sent back? How many others will be sent back? You don't
> say.

Why don't you demand those answers of Biden or his puppets? I'd be surprised if
even a few percent were sent back. All they have to do is say asylum, they come in,
get released with a notice to
appear in court in five years, so they are piling up. Your Democrat mayor of NYC
said that the migrant crisis will destroy NYC. Go figure, it's a sanctuary city, they
get free housing, free food, free medical care, refusal to cooperate with ICE.
So they have over 100K in 75 hotels, more arriving daily. Adams won't change any
of that, yet he complains the city is being destroyed. Democrats are a very
strange bunch.

How many who remain will fill the severe shortage for unskilled
> labor here, at least until they learn English.

Most are not permitted to work. And that's irrelevant, we either have an
orderly immigration system where people apply and wait in line or we have
a lib cluster fuck, where they bum rush the border. And what I said would
happen is finally happening. A large and every increasing number are
coming from places other than Mexico or Central America, eg Africa.
Hundreds that are on the terror watch list have been apprehended, we have
no way of knowing how many others waltzed right on in. Do libs need to
see what happened in Israel happen here?

>
> People who abide by US immigration rules and take years to get a green
> card, and perhaps never do because of other things intervening during
> that time... they have every reason to be annoyed, angry, outraged at
> illegal immigration. For "cutting in line" and probably making it harder
> for people to come legally. That is, if there were no illegals, I would
> think legal immigration would be increased and probably sped up too.

Bingo. Which is why Republicans want this BS ended.

>
> *They* have reason to be annoyed, but from my pov, and for the same
> reasons, whether they know it or not, from the pov of everyone who is
> already here, it makes no difference if new residents come legally or
> not In fact compared to those who apply at a US consulate and wait in
> their homes until their paperwork is approved, those who spend every
> penny they have to take the arduous, dangerous, life-threatening 2700
> mile trip from Colombia to the US border will on average be
> harder-working and more successful by American standards. People who
> rage against them are fighting windmills.

Right and next you'll tell us that you're not in favor of open borders.

> >> > What would open look like, if not that?
> >> We don't know. 5 million? 10 million?
> Many more than that. People who never thought of coming would show up.
> Already more come illegally than otherwise would because of all the
> Republicans and Trader who keep saying the border is open. Fortunately,
> would-be immigrants have other sources of information and they don't all
> believe the Republicans and Trader.

Biden has over another year left, at the rate it's been increasing he could get
there yet.

> >> --
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >Biden still has over a year left to destroy the country, we could find out.
> Even though this is Cassandra-like speculation, it's good you mention
> it. It will encourage everyone to vote for trump and help him win. I'm
> sure that's what you want. How do I know? By what you do.

If Trump wins again, it will be on you Democrats. You're just as nuts as the
Trumpers. They insist it has to be Trump. You insist tha it has to be Biden,
even as we see the 80 year old failing at an increasing rate before our eyes.
What's he going to be like in 5 years? But I think there is a good chance that
the Democrats will ditch Biden, one way or another, before the election.

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 12:51:55 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
> >On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:38:11=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, micky wrote:
>
> >>=20
> >> That's one of the partial truths** Repubs are spreading. The borders=20
> >> are, in short, partly closed, partly open.=20
> >
> >2.4 mil came across this year, through September. 240K in September alone.
> >What would open look like, if not that?
> 2.3 million were "apprehended" at the border. How many were immediately
> returned?
>
> You continue to avoid providing a viable solution.

I've provided a viable solution here many times, Republicans would implement it.
Change the BS asylum law so that if there are areas of your own country that are
relatively safe, you can't claim high crime as a reason for asylum. Make it clear
that asylum is for people who are truly being persecuted. Funny thing, the Democrats
wouldn't accept people who were facing genocide, the Jews in WWII, but now all
someone has to do is make some frivolous BS claim and bingo, come right on in.
I'd like to see the circus where this BS is adjudicated, like how does the US prove
whether or not some ahole has really been subjected to gang violence in Venezuela
or Somalia? Of course it doesn't much matter, the ahole just doesn't show up in court
five years in the future.

And neither is the fact that their own country is economically disadvantaged
an excuse either. That's what the regular immigration line that honest people
are waiting for years in is for. Make it so you have to apply while still in your own
country. If you enter illegally, you're barred from applying for legal entry for ten years or
forever. Enter illegally once, you get deported, enter illegally again you get a
year in jail. End sanctuary cities, have all law enforcement cooperate with ICE.
Have guest worker permits for a limited number to come in for two years. Bush,
the last US president with the balls to actually propose immigration reform
had that as part of it. It's not rocket science.