On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 17:37:44 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 07 Oct 2023 17:30:18 -0400, Clare Snyder
><clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 09:04:44 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Better yet,
>>>>https://www.honeywellstore.com/store/products/the-round-non-progammable-thermostat-ct87k1004.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>as per the Owners Manual :
>>>
>>>This thermostat contains a Lithium battery which
>>>may contain Perchlorate material.
>>>Perchlorate Material—special handling may apply,
>>>See www.dtsc.ca.gov/hazardouswaste/perchlorate
>>>
>>>Someone earlier suggested that the battery is just for
>>>the tiny light ?
>>> John T.
>> There is one little caveat inthe description - MERCURY FREE - all
>>the ones I've been aquainted with were the "mechanical" mercury type
>>and had no back-light. The battery on the new ones appears to be a
>>"lifetime" non serviceable battery
>
>My father was a dentist and when I was about 7, he brought me home a
>little bottle of mercury. Maybe 10 cc's. I still have it. I used to
>play with the mercury and get it on my hands, in my fingerprints. If
>anyone feels that some of my posts didnt' make sense, that's why.

We played with mercury, as young kids.
I forget where we got it - thermometers, thermostats,
car trunk light switches, .. possibly other sources ?
We knew it was poisonous but it was neat to roll around
in the palm of your hand ..
9 year olds are immortal ..
John T.

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 14:52:22 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 10/7/23 13:14, Fishrrman wrote:
>> On 10/6/23 6:04 PM, T wrote:
>>>
>>> Found one on Fleebay, but I do not trust Fleebay.
>>
>> I suggest you give it a try.
>> How much will you lose?
>
>$25.69
>
>My wife was able to find a
>
> vintage robertshaw room thermostat model 260d-1, brand new n box
>
>on fleebay.
>
>When I can't find something, she searches and when she
>can't find them, I search. It is amazing how well
>that works. Different brain architectures male and
>female. (It helps to have an ultra feminine, highly
>intelligent, traditional wife.)
>
>So we will see. A lot cheaper than that $95
>and a service call scam. And I bet the $95 one
>has a hidden battery too.

Someone posted a Graingers link that seemed to have a couple
of robert shaw old-school models .. new.
John T.

On 10/7/23 15:27, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 14:52:22 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 10/7/23 13:14, Fishrrman wrote:
>>> On 10/6/23 6:04 PM, T wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Found one on Fleebay, but I do not trust Fleebay.
>>>
>>> I suggest you give it a try.
>>> How much will you lose?
>>
>> $25.69
>>
>> My wife was able to find a
>>
>> vintage robertshaw room thermostat model 260d-1, brand new n box
>>
>> on fleebay.
>>
>> When I can't find something, she searches and when she
>> can't find them, I search. It is amazing how well
>> that works. Different brain architectures male and
>> female. (It helps to have an ultra feminine, highly
>> intelligent, traditional wife.)
>>
>> So we will see. A lot cheaper than that $95
>> and a service call scam. And I bet the $95 one
>> has a hidden battery too.
>
>
> Someone posted a Graingers link that seemed to have a couple
> of robert shaw old-school models .. new.
> John T.

Did not see it. Would you copy and paste it?

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 15:54:18 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 10/7/23 15:27, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 14:52:22 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/7/23 13:14, Fishrrman wrote:
>>>> On 10/6/23 6:04 PM, T wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Found one on Fleebay, but I do not trust Fleebay.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest you give it a try.
>>>> How much will you lose?
>>>
>>> $25.69
>>>
>>> My wife was able to find a
>>>
>>> vintage robertshaw room thermostat model 260d-1, brand new n box
>>>
>>> on fleebay.
>>>
>>> When I can't find something, she searches and when she
>>> can't find them, I search. It is amazing how well
>>> that works. Different brain architectures male and
>>> female. (It helps to have an ultra feminine, highly
>>> intelligent, traditional wife.)
>>>
>>> So we will see. A lot cheaper than that $95
>>> and a service call scam. And I bet the $95 one
>>> has a hidden battery too.
>>
>>
>> Someone posted a Graingers link that seemed to have a couple
>> of robert shaw old-school models .. new.
>> John T.
>
>Did not see it. Would you copy and paste it?

yep.

https://www.grainger.com/category/hvac-and-refrigeration/hvac-controls-and-thermostats/room-thermostats/low-voltage-thermostats/nonprogrammable-low-voltage-thermostats

John T.

On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 17:37:44 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 07 Oct 2023 17:30:18 -0400, Clare Snyder
><clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 09:04:44 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Better yet,
>>>>https://www.honeywellstore.com/store/products/the-round-non-progammable-thermostat-ct87k1004.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>as per the Owners Manual :
>>>
>>>This thermostat contains a Lithium battery which
>>>may contain Perchlorate material.
>>>Perchlorate Material—special handling may apply,
>>>See www.dtsc.ca.gov/hazardouswaste/perchlorate
>>>
>>>Someone earlier suggested that the battery is just for
>>>the tiny light ?
>>> John T.
>> There is one little caveat inthe description - MERCURY FREE - all
>>the ones I've been aquainted with were the "mechanical" mercury type
>>and had no back-light. The battery on the new ones appears to be a
>>"lifetime" non serviceable battery
>
>My father was a dentist and when I was about 7, he brought me home a
>little bottle of mercury. Maybe 10 cc's. I still have it. I used to
>play with the mercury and get it on my hands, in my fingerprints. If
>anyone feels that some of my posts didnt' make sense, that's why.
I still have a vial of the stuff and I add a bit every time I
dispose of a mercury switch

On 10/7/23 16:05, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> Did not see it. Would you copy and paste it?
> yep.
>
> https://www.grainger.com/category/hvac-and-refrigeration/hvac-controls-and-thermostats/room-thermostats/low-voltage-thermostats/nonprogrammable-low-voltage-thermostats
>
> John T.

Thank you!

On 10/7/2023 12:43 PM, Frank wrote:

>
> I recently tossed smoke and CO alarms with irreplaceable batteries. I
> replaced them with detectors with replaceable AA batteries.
>
>What country do you live in? I thought those were no longer allowed to
be sold in the U.S. Where did you buy them?

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 8 Oct 2023 14:39:11 -0400, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>On 10/7/2023 12:43 PM, Frank wrote:
>
>>
>> I recently tossed smoke and CO alarms with irreplaceable batteries. I
>> replaced them with detectors with replaceable AA batteries.
>>
>What country do you live in? I thought those were no longer allowed to
>be sold in the U.S. Where did you buy them?

I don't think so. I just bought one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002RLQZ2M and it has a separate battery. I
can't figure out how to replace it easily if I mount the thing on the
ceiling.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 09 Oct 2023 09:10:09 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 8 Oct 2023 14:39:11 -0400, Retirednoguilt
><HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
>>On 10/7/2023 12:43 PM, Frank wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I recently tossed smoke and CO alarms with irreplaceable batteries. I
>>> replaced them with detectors with replaceable AA batteries.
>>>
>>What country do you live in? I thought those were no longer allowed to
>>be sold in the U.S. Where did you buy them?
>
>I don't think so. I just bought one of these:
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002RLQZ2M and it has a separate battery. I

Bought from Amazon.

>can't figure out how to replace it easily if I mount the thing on the
>ceiling.

But you might be right about CO detectors. The same one that came with
a separate battery now comes with the battery built in. Says good for
10 years. I can no more take the battery out for the 6 months I don't
run the furnace, to try to make it 20 years. (Did that work?)

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 09 Oct 2023 09:15:30 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 09 Oct 2023 09:10:09 -0400, micky
><NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>>In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 8 Oct 2023 14:39:11 -0400, Retirednoguilt
>><HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 10/7/2023 12:43 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recently tossed smoke and CO alarms with irreplaceable batteries. I
>>>> replaced them with detectors with replaceable AA batteries.
>>>>
>>>What country do you live in? I thought those were no longer allowed to
>>>be sold in the U.S. Where did you buy them?
>>
>>I don't think so. I just bought one of these:
>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002RLQZ2M and it has a separate battery. I
>
>Bought from Amazon.
>
>>can't figure out how to replace it easily if I mount the thing on the
>>ceiling.
>
>But you might be right about CO detectors. The same one that came with
>a separate battery now comes with the battery built in. Says good for
>10 years. I can no more take the battery out for the 6 months I don't
>run the furnace, to try to make it 20 years. (Did that work?)

That was an AC detector with a backup battery. I unplugged it but then
it would beep so I took the battery out for 6 months. Did that work to
double the length the detector lasted? (I still have an AC smoke
detector that is 44 years old and it works well.)

On 10/9/2023 9:10 AM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 8 Oct 2023 14:39:11 -0400, Retirednoguilt
> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/7/2023 12:43 PM, Frank wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I recently tossed smoke and CO alarms with irreplaceable batteries. I
>>> replaced them with detectors with replaceable AA batteries.
>>>
>> What country do you live in? I thought those were no longer allowed to
>> be sold in the U.S. Where did you buy them?
>
> I don't think so. I just bought one of these:
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002RLQZ2M and it has a separate battery. I
> can't figure out how to replace it easily if I mount the thing on the
> ceiling.

My error thinking it was a Federal law. However, where I live
(Montgomery County, MD) county law bans the sale of smoke alarms with
replaceable batteries. So does the State of California and perhaps some
other jurisdictions as well. Quite a few states require the 10 year
non-replaceable battery or hard wired power in older homes. Mix and
match alternatives in some states (either 10 yr. battery or hard wired
for all residential properties regardless of age). See:
https://www.universalsecurity.com/legislation/#general

On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 10:17:38 -0400, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>On 10/9/2023 9:10 AM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 8 Oct 2023 14:39:11 -0400, Retirednoguilt
>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/7/2023 12:43 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recently tossed smoke and CO alarms with irreplaceable batteries. I
>>>> replaced them with detectors with replaceable AA batteries.
>>>>
>>> What country do you live in? I thought those were no longer allowed to
>>> be sold in the U.S. Where did you buy them?
>>
>> I don't think so. I just bought one of these:
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002RLQZ2M and it has a separate battery. I
>> can't figure out how to replace it easily if I mount the thing on the
>> ceiling.
>
>My error thinking it was a Federal law. However, where I live
>(Montgomery County, MD) county law bans the sale of smoke alarms with
>replaceable batteries. So does the State of California and perhaps some
>other jurisdictions as well. Quite a few states require the 10 year
>non-replaceable battery or hard wired power in older homes. Mix and
>match alternatives in some states (either 10 yr. battery or hard wired
>for all residential properties regardless of age). See:
>https://www.universalsecurity.com/legislation/#general
>
The stickler is even the hardwired ones the sensor cell has a limited
lifespan and are SUPPOSED to be replaced every 10 years

The majority of research found on this subject emanates from the US.
The US National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) have issued NFPA
Standard 72, National Fire Alarm and Signalling Code, which states
that all smoke alarms (including alarms that use 10 year batteries,
and those that are hard wired) should be replaced when they are ten
years old, or sooner if they don't respond properly when tested.

US fire safety websites, along with those in the UK, Canada, New
Zealand and Australia, tend to recommend the replacement of domestic
smoke alarms, whether battery or mains-wired, when they:

Fail to respond to tests
Are ten years old (varying between date of installation and
manufacture)

On 10/9/2023 12:14 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 10:17:38 -0400, Retirednoguilt
> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/9/2023 9:10 AM, micky wrote:
>>> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 8 Oct 2023 14:39:11 -0400, Retirednoguilt
>>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/7/2023 12:43 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently tossed smoke and CO alarms with irreplaceable batteries. I
>>>>> replaced them with detectors with replaceable AA batteries.
>>>>>
>>>> What country do you live in? I thought those were no longer allowed to
>>>> be sold in the U.S. Where did you buy them?
>>>
>>> I don't think so. I just bought one of these:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002RLQZ2M and it has a separate battery. I
>>> can't figure out how to replace it easily if I mount the thing on the
>>> ceiling.
>>
>> My error thinking it was a Federal law. However, where I live
>> (Montgomery County, MD) county law bans the sale of smoke alarms with
>> replaceable batteries. So does the State of California and perhaps some
>> other jurisdictions as well. Quite a few states require the 10 year
>> non-replaceable battery or hard wired power in older homes. Mix and
>> match alternatives in some states (either 10 yr. battery or hard wired
>> for all residential properties regardless of age). See:
>> https://www.universalsecurity.com/legislation/#general
>>
> The stickler is even the hardwired ones the sensor cell has a limited
> lifespan and are SUPPOSED to be replaced every 10 years
>
> The majority of research found on this subject emanates from the US.
> The US National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) have issued NFPA
> Standard 72, National Fire Alarm and Signalling Code, which states
> that all smoke alarms (including alarms that use 10 year batteries,
> and those that are hard wired) should be replaced when they are ten
> years old, or sooner if they don't respond properly when tested.
>
> US fire safety websites, along with those in the UK, Canada, New
> Zealand and Australia, tend to recommend the replacement of domestic
> smoke alarms, whether battery or mains-wired, when they:
>
> Fail to respond to tests
> Are ten years old (varying between date of installation and
> manufacture)
>

Our condo requires that our building engineer install the hard wired
smoke alarms that are in every unit. That office keeps a record of the
installation date and automatically changes each one at it's 10 year
anniversary. We pay for the alarm, but the condo gets a good price and
we pay only about $15, including removal/recycling of the old ones and
installation of the new one.