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"The US strategic containment against China has severely divided the world and threatened China's long-term security. Objectively speaking, the US has destroyed the foundation for the world to do something great together. The COVID-19 pandemic is surging across the world but countries are acting in their own ways. This is the result of political antagonism in today's world..

The US is, on the one hand, making the utmost effort to divide the world, while on the other, building a drawbridge over the huge gap among the major powers. The rope of the drawbridge is held in Washington's hand. The US lowers the drawbridge when it needs it, and raises it up when it doesn't need it any more. It shows Washington's unscrupulous desire to control the world.. Is there any reason for China to let the US get whatever it wants?

China and the US can work together on the climate issue and carry out necessary cooperation. But it is obviously hard for the entire Chinese society to accept placing such cooperation in the arrogant logic of the US' China policy of "competition, cooperation, and confrontation," or letting the US arbitrarily define the political implications of China-US cooperation on the climate issue. The US lacks both morality and justice to do so, and it lacks a compelling force to ask China to offer what the US wants.

Cooperation must be mutually beneficial. This is both the principle of sticking to the facts and a strategic morality. If the US continues its comprehensive containment of China, and keeps pushing the hostility between the two countries, it will create constant pollution in the space for bilateral cooperation. This is common sense and conventional wisdom. Many of the US policies toward China are zero-sum, leaving the world a strong impression that the US would not be satisfied until it suffocates China's development. Under such circumstances, Chinese society's willingness to cooperate with the US can hardly be immune to the impact of vigilance against the US.

Washington should not have thought that showing a little willingness toward cooperation in its comprehensive containment of Beijing is "mercy" to China. If they really think that way, they will find no grateful Chinese.

When it comes to climate, China believes that cooperation is necessary, as stated earlier. But if the cooperation has other extended meanings aimed at boosting Washington's political gains, such cooperation must be considered in the big picture of China-US ties. "

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 by: .kitaro.. - Sun, 5 Sep 2021 09:03 UTC

US cannot be friend with China because they need an big enemy for their
great power to shove and bring it down to ground zero. They need to have a
big power to destroy in order to show the world how great America is.

If China is equal to US, America will not have a power to destroy. They will
not have any country to show the world they can bring it down to ground
zero. The US wants the world to see the power of Muhammad Ali and Joe
Frasier.

They will not destroy Russia because they are somewhat white and white based
colour. Hence they have to have China, as their enemy to be destroyed.

"ltlee1" wrote in message
news:ce84658a-a92b-44f4-9f23-c35394c01124n@googlegroups.com...

"The US strategic containment against China has severely divided the world
and threatened China's long-term security. Objectively speaking, the US has
destroyed the foundation for the world to do something great together. The
COVID-19 pandemic is surging across the world but countries are acting in
their own ways. This is the result of political antagonism in today's world.

The US is, on the one hand, making the utmost effort to divide the world,
while on the other, building a drawbridge over the huge gap among the major
powers. The rope of the drawbridge is held in Washington's hand. The US
lowers the drawbridge when it needs it, and raises it up when it doesn't
need it any more. It shows Washington's unscrupulous desire to control the
world. Is there any reason for China to let the US get whatever it wants?

China and the US can work together on the climate issue and carry out
necessary cooperation. But it is obviously hard for the entire Chinese
society to accept placing such cooperation in the arrogant logic of the US'
China policy of "competition, cooperation, and confrontation," or letting
the US arbitrarily define the political implications of China-US cooperation
on the climate issue. The US lacks both morality and justice to do so, and
it lacks a compelling force to ask China to offer what the US wants.

Cooperation must be mutually beneficial. This is both the principle of
sticking to the facts and a strategic morality. If the US continues its
comprehensive containment of China, and keeps pushing the hostility between
the two cosountries, it will create constant pollution in the space for
bilateral cooperation. This is common sense and conventional wisdom. Many of
the US policies toward China are zero-sum, leaving the world a strong
impression that the US would not be satisfied until it suffocates China's
development. Under such circumstances, Chinese society's willingness to
cooperate with the US can hardly be immune to the impact of vigilance
against the US.

Washington should not have thought that showing a little willingness toward
cooperation in its comprehensive containment of Beijing is "mercy" to China.
If they really think that way, they will find no grateful Chinese.

When it comes to climate, China believes that cooperation is necessary, as
stated earlier. But if the cooperation has other extended meanings aimed at
boosting Washington's political gains, such cooperation must be considered
in the big picture of China-US ties. "

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 by: spacer - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 22:01 UTC

When Trump withdrew from climate change, they lost their power to control
the world on climate change. After Biden got US back into the climate change
forum, he still did not sign up to goals and setting of it.

Instead he appointed Kerri to lead and control the conference again. Kerri
in video conference faced a formidable team of councillors from Beijing. It
is clear China does not want US control China and other countries on setting
goals and meeting climate matters.

Hence Kerri was disappointed when his ruse to rule and control China on
climate change has failed. However, US should know they have to solve their
own climate change too. Hence it i is best for US to go on its own too.

China is already on its own in addressing its own climate change. But, US is
avoiding at all costs on signing any matter pertaining to climate change
implementation and other commitment plans. US is more on a rhetoric talks.

Seriously, climate change is affecting every country, and ultimately, every
country has to solve it on their own. Nobody can help them if they do not
care to manage their own environment.

They can seek help from other countries who can provide the knowledge and
ideas on how to prevent or reduce climate change on them. If they don't
solve it on their own, their country will be constantly be flooded and will
also be submerged by sea water.

Instead of running and solving their own climate change, US want to tell
others what to do and what goals to measure their carbon emissions and etc.
US likes to be the boss of everything and also likes to boss at others, too.

They want to set punitive goals for others and check on others in meeting
those goals, but does not want others to check on them. US never likes any
country to boss and question them or to check on them. It is okay they check
on you but not you check on them.

Climate change conference is where collective ideas made in regular forum of
decisions can be used to help and develop technology and build on one
another strengths and weaknesses of different countries, so that achievement
is proactive, faster, quicker, practical, applicable, and affordable to
different country of them.

Henceforth, China has choices to wok on its own climate change affecting
their country. China also chooses and decides its own and also in helping
other countries, too.

Regardless or not, China will not bide to US or Kerri demands to separate
politics from the climate change matters. It is clear US wants to isolate
politics from the climate change in order to clobber at China with punitive
measures if the goals set to China is not met by China.

China is right in that politics and climate change is intertwined and hence
China is aware of US tricks and lies to manipulate them. US will twist and
turn and manipulate themselves to be judge, juror, and punisher, to all
countries for not meeting climate change, while they do not want other to be
the judge, juror, and punisher of their own.

The best way of solving climate change is to have a collective goals of
ideas and costs and other things that can be considered from perspectives of
different countries and let them move on their own time and speed.

In short, the climate change matter is about providing an ideas of tool,
equipment, and alternative infrastructure things in order to capture hot
gases from emitting to the atmosphere, or to remove hot gases from earth so
that fresh air can be replenished.

It is better for US to cut back their talk time of rhetoric to other
countries when they should be one to start work of their own to show the
world on how and what US is doing and has done to it.

"ltlee1" wrote in message
news:ce84658a-a92b-44f4-9f23-c35394c01124n@googlegroups.com...

"The US strategic containment against China has severely divided the world
and threatened China's long-term security. Objectively speaking, the US has
destroyed the foundation for the world to do something great together. The
COVID-19 pandemic is surging across the world but countries are acting in
their own ways. This is the result of political antagonism in today's world.

The US is, on the one hand, making the utmost effort to divide the world,
while on the other, building a drawbridge over the huge gap among the major
powers. The rope of the drawbridge is held in Washington's hand. The US
lowers the drawbridge when it needs it, and raises it up when it doesn't
need it any more. It shows Washington's unscrupulous desire to control the
world. Is there any reason for China to let the US get whatever it wants?

China and the US can work together on the climate issue and carry out
necessary cooperation. But it is obviously hard for the entire Chinese
society to accept placing such cooperation in the arrogant logic of the US'
China policy of "competition, cooperation, and confrontation," or letting
the US arbitrarily define the political implications of China-US cooperation
on the climate issue. The US lacks both morality and justice to do so, and
it lacks a compelling force to ask China to offer what the US wants.

Cooperation must be mutually beneficial. This is both the principle of
sticking to the facts and a strategic morality. If the US continues its
comprehensive containment of China, and keeps pushing the hostility between
the two countries, it will create constant pollution in the space for
bilateral cooperation. This is common sense and conventional wisdom. Many of
the US policies toward China are zero-sum, leaving the world a strong
impression that the US would not be satisfied until it suffocates China's
development. Under such circumstances, Chinese society's willingness to
cooperate with the US can hardly be immune to the impact of vigilance
against the US.

Washington should not have thought that showing a little willingness toward
cooperation in its comprehensive containment of Beijing is "mercy" to China.
If they really think that way, they will find no grateful Chinese.

When it comes to climate, China believes that cooperation is necessary, as
stated earlier. But if the cooperation has other extended meanings aimed at
boosting Washington's political gains, such cooperation must be considered
in the big picture of China-US ties. "

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 by: Byker - Tue, 7 Sep 2021 23:30 UTC

"spacer" AKA "starlet" AKA "kawaga AKA "hotei" AKA "tom" AKA "golden" AKA
"lobo" AKA "kool" AKA "moses" AKA "dubenski" AKA "bobo" AKA "vonnie" AKA
"starlet" AKA "dean" wrote in message news:sh8ng9$2qo$1@dont-email.me...
>
> China is already on its own in addressing its own climate change.

Yup, by building coal-burning power plants as fast as
they can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6A79YN7Kvk

Coal junkies, the Chingchongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw9tEQpYBHM

The Forbidden City never looked so good: https://tinyurl.com/3tmxeb5h

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