Use a non-porous expanding foam to get into the right spots. A mfr says you can get at least partial use of a can right side up or sideways if you start it upsidedown.

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Bob F - Thanks for this idea. If I try to do more painting with the Zinsser odor blocking sealer, I'll look for "paint pads." I didn't know they made them.

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I've tried this. I live in a small town, not many plumbers. I talked with the largest company's "lead plumber" who wanted to try to help. But he's never run into a problem like this before, and also thought a product like Zinsser B.I.N. would be the best choice. I then called two other plumbers, same result.

I did a lot of looking online to compare odor-blocking sealers and paints. It looked like the top-ranking odor sealer is the Zinsser B.I.N., which is not pleasant to apply. You have to wear a respirator, the fumes are terrific. But it dries very quickly, in about 45 minutes, total cure is over a few days. But it hasn't solved the problem.

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Yes, this was done when before the granite top was put down. All new plywood on all the old cabinets, and then the granite placed on top (and also on top of the side extensions or flanges of the built-in type of sink).

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:15:04 +0000, Owl1
<8548e75263d3ef110f6cf5905c302693@example.com> wrote:

>Yes, this was done when before the granite top was put down. All new plywood on all the old cabinets, and then the granite placed on top (and also on top of the side extensions or flanges of the built-in type of sink).

Sounds dreadful, but at least you know which company doesn't know how to install
a stone countertop properly. That can be useful information, assuming they're
still doing it that way.

BTW, I agree with the previous poster who said to remove the sink, remove as
much of the plywood as necessary, being careful not to disturb or damage the
stone, then install a new sink.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 Jul 2023 15:47:21 -0500, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:15:04 +0000, Owl1
><8548e75263d3ef110f6cf5905c302693@example.com> wrote:
>
>>Yes, this was done when before the granite top was put down. All new plywood on all the old cabinets, and then the granite placed on top (and also on top of the side extensions or flanges of the built-in type of sink).
>
>Sounds dreadful, but at least you know which company doesn't know how to install
>a stone countertop properly. That can be useful information, assuming they're
>still doing it that way.
>
>BTW, I agree with the previous poster who said to remove the sink, remove as
>much of the plywood as necessary, being careful not to disturb or damage the
>stone, then install a new sink.

ON the sides maybe you could use a router to cut away the plywood, even
if you had to cut if several inches away from the sink. But that would
still leave the back and front where I gather there is no room for a
router or any other saw.

So forget that and how about this? IIUC, you're not going to be able
to save the sink, since it's so hard to get the stinking coating off.
So disconnect the drain and the water and cut away the sink from the
center. You can leave the part that is trapped between the stone and
the plywood, and you can probably leave** an apron of a few inches
hanging straight down. Then put in a surface mount sink into the hole.

**If the side pieces stick too far into the hole, bend them up and cut
them, or bend back and forth till it breaks.

Best to shop for the new sink in advance, just in case you can't find
one almost as big but not quite. But there are scores or hundreds of
models of sinks for sale, you'll find one.

On 7/26/23 12:06 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> The OP needs to find a way to remove the sink and install
> a new one. Period.

Agreed.
That's the only way this problem is gonna be solved.

Micky (and others, whose replies I've really appreciated!) -

Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this. What a frustrating dilemma to try to solve! As I mentioned in one of my replies, the sink we chose isn't a standard rectangular shape, but has some "free form" modernistic curves in it, so the hole for the sink in the granite countertop was cut to that shape. Woe is me -- to try to find any other sink with that shape and size!

At this point, my wife is in favor of our trying to tolerate the smell. Both of us hate perfumed deodorizers so we'll look into alternatives to the Arm & Hammer odor eliminator that hasn't helped.

Another option at this point, though admittedly not a good one: I don't own an airless paint sprayer, but I may buy or rent one so I can try to spray the Zinsser odor blocker up onto the sides, front, and back of the sink that I couldn't reach well even with the soft foam extension I sewed together. I realize that spraying the Zinsser would be an unlikely help since it didn't block the odor from the bottom of the sink.

If we can't live with the problem, I'll contact granite countertop installers to see if they can lift the granite top and replace the sink (that is, _IF_ I can find another sink that shape!).

And I may contact the sink's manufacturer in writing to see if they can be persuaded to accept responsibility. No one buys an undermount sink that may require tearing out the granite countertop in the future because the sink's sound-deadening material starts off-gassing an intolerable stink.

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On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 5:15:09 PM UTC-4, Owl1 wrote:
> Micky (and others, whose replies I've really appreciated!) -
>
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this. What a frustrating dilemma to try to solve! As I mentioned in one of my replies, the sink we chose isn't a standard rectangular shape, but has some "free form" modernistic curves in it, so the hole for the sink in the granite countertop was cut to that shape. Woe is me -- to try to find any other sink with that shape and size!
>
> At this point, my wife is in favor of our trying to tolerate the smell. Both of us hate perfumed deodorizers so we'll look into alternatives to the Arm & Hammer odor eliminator that hasn't helped.
>
> Another option at this point, though admittedly not a good one: I don't own an airless paint sprayer, but I may buy or rent one so I can try to spray the Zinsser odor blocker up onto the sides, front, and back of the sink that I couldn't reach well even with the soft foam extension I sewed together. I realize that spraying the Zinsser would be an unlikely help since it didn't block the odor from the bottom of the sink.
>
> If we can't live with the problem, I'll contact granite countertop installers to see if they can lift the granite top and replace the sink (that is, _IF_ I can find another sink that shape!).
>
> And I may contact the sink's manufacturer in writing to see if they can be persuaded to accept responsibility. No one buys an undermount sink that may require tearing out the granite countertop in the future because the sink's sound-deadening material starts off-gassing an intolerable stink.
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If you missed a suggestion, take the counter off along with the sink attached.

On 7/27/2023 2:15 PM, Owl1 wrote:
> Micky (and others, whose replies I've really appreciated!) -
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this. What a frustrating dilemma
> to try to solve! As I mentioned in one of my replies, the sink we chose
> isn't a standard rectangular shape, but has some "free form" modernistic
> curves in it, so the hole for the sink in the granite countertop was cut
> to that shape. Woe is me -- to try to find any other sink with that
> shape and size!
>
> At this point, my wife is in favor of our trying to tolerate the smell.
> Both of us hate perfumed deodorizers so we'll look into alternatives to
> the Arm & Hammer odor eliminator that hasn't helped.
>
> Another option at this point, though admittedly not a good one: I don't
> own an airless paint sprayer, but I may buy or rent one so I can try to
> spray the Zinsser odor blocker up onto the sides, front, and back of the
> sink that I couldn't reach well even with the soft foam extension I
> sewed together. I realize that spraying the Zinsser would be an unlikely
> help since it didn't block the odor from the bottom of the sink.
>
> If we can't live with the problem, I'll contact granite countertop
> installers to see if they can lift the granite top and replace the sink
> (that is, _IF_ I can find another sink that shape!).
>
> And I may contact the sink's manufacturer in writing to see if they can
> be persuaded to accept responsibility. No one buys an undermount sink
> that may require tearing out the granite countertop in the future
> because the sink's sound-deadening material starts off-gassing an
> intolerable stink.
>

Another possibility could be to get (rent?) an ozone generator and run
it for weeks under the sink, and see if it will oxidize away whatever
stinks.

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:15:02 +0000, Owl1
<8548e75263d3ef110f6cf5905c302693@example.com> wrote:

>Micky (and others, whose replies I've really appreciated!) -
>
>Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this. What a frustrating dilemma to try to solve! As I mentioned in one of my replies, the sink we chose isn't a standard rectangular shape,

I missed that.

>but has some "free form" modernistic curves in it, so the hole for the sink in the granite countertop was cut to that shape. Woe is me -- to try to find any other sink with that shape and size!
>
>At this point, my wife is in favor of our trying to tolerate the smell. Both of us hate perfumed deodorizers so we'll look into alternatives to the Arm & Hammer odor eliminator that hasn't helped.

Generally, people stop noticing both good and bad smells after a while.
The sensors get tired or something. That's how garbage men are able to
do their job without being botherer, or bothered much?, by the smell.
But I don't know if that means they have to start from the beginning
everr day or if it carries over from day to day.

Also, maybe you can convince yourselves it's a good smell. For example,
I like the smell of oil refineries. I've heard that some people like
the smell of sweat or even flatulence.

Right now I'm in Baltimore smelling the Canadian forest fires and I'm
starting to like that smell (after about 10 days.)

>Another option at this point, though admittedly not a good one: I don't own an airless paint sprayer, but I may buy or rent one so I can try to spray the Zinsser odor blocker up onto the sides, front, and back of the sink that I couldn't reach well even with the soft foam extension I sewed together. I realize that spraying the Zinsser would be an unlikely help since it didn't block the odor from the bottom of the sink.
>
>If we can't live with the problem, I'll contact granite countertop installers to see if they can lift the granite top and replace the sink (that is, _IF_ I can find another sink that shape!).
>
>And I may contact the sink's manufacturer in writing to see if they can be persuaded to accept responsibility. No one buys an undermount sink that may require tearing out the granite countertop in the future because the sink's sound-deadening material starts off-gassing an intolerable stink.

As a last resort, yOu could lend your house to one of your children,
maybe the stinkiest one, who can't afford a nice house of his own, and
take it back 10 years from now when the smell is gone.

On 7/27/2023 7:31 PM, Bob F wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 2:15 PM, Owl1 wrote:
>> Micky (and others, whose replies I've really appreciated!) -
>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this. What a frustrating
>> dilemma to try to solve! As I mentioned in one of my replies, the
>> sink we chose isn't a standard rectangular shape, but has some "free
>> form" modernistic curves in it, so the hole for the sink in the
>> granite countertop was cut to that shape. Woe is me -- to try to find
>> any other sink with that shape and size!
>>
>> At this point, my wife is in favor of our trying to tolerate the
>> smell. Both of us hate perfumed deodorizers so we'll look into
>> alternatives to the Arm & Hammer odor eliminator that hasn't helped.
>>
>> Another option at this point, though admittedly not a good one: I
>> don't own an airless paint sprayer, but I may buy or rent one so I
>> can try to spray the Zinsser odor blocker up onto the sides, front,
>> and back of the sink that I couldn't reach well even with the soft
>> foam extension I sewed together. I realize that spraying the Zinsser
>> would be an unlikely help since it didn't block the odor from the
>> bottom of the sink.
>>
>> If we can't live with the problem, I'll contact granite countertop
>> installers to see if they can lift the granite top and replace the
>> sink (that is, _IF_ I can find another sink that shape!).
>>
>> And I may contact the sink's manufacturer in writing to see if they
>> can be persuaded to accept responsibility. No one buys an undermount
>> sink that may require tearing out the granite countertop in the
>> future because the sink's sound-deadening material starts off-gassing
>> an intolerable stink.
>>
>
> Another possibility could be to get (rent?) an ozone generator and run
> it for weeks under the sink, and see if it will oxidize away whatever
> stinks.
>

Indoor ozone can damage your lungs.

https://www.epa.gov/ozone-pollution-and-your-patients-health/health-effects-ozone-general-population

On 7/27/2023 6:29 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 7:31 PM, Bob F wrote:
>> On 7/27/2023 2:15 PM, Owl1 wrote:
>>> Micky (and others, whose replies I've really appreciated!) -
>>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this. What a frustrating
>>> dilemma to try to solve! As I mentioned in one of my replies, the
>>> sink we chose isn't a standard rectangular shape, but has some "free
>>> form" modernistic curves in it, so the hole for the sink in the
>>> granite countertop was cut to that shape. Woe is me -- to try to find
>>> any other sink with that shape and size!
>>>
>>> At this point, my wife is in favor of our trying to tolerate the
>>> smell. Both of us hate perfumed deodorizers so we'll look into
>>> alternatives to the Arm & Hammer odor eliminator that hasn't helped.
>>>
>>> Another option at this point, though admittedly not a good one: I
>>> don't own an airless paint sprayer, but I may buy or rent one so I
>>> can try to spray the Zinsser odor blocker up onto the sides, front,
>>> and back of the sink that I couldn't reach well even with the soft
>>> foam extension I sewed together. I realize that spraying the Zinsser
>>> would be an unlikely help since it didn't block the odor from the
>>> bottom of the sink.
>>>
>>> If we can't live with the problem, I'll contact granite countertop
>>> installers to see if they can lift the granite top and replace the
>>> sink (that is, _IF_ I can find another sink that shape!).
>>>
>>> And I may contact the sink's manufacturer in writing to see if they
>>> can be persuaded to accept responsibility. No one buys an undermount
>>> sink that may require tearing out the granite countertop in the
>>> future because the sink's sound-deadening material starts off-gassing
>>> an intolerable stink.
>>>
>>
>> Another possibility could be to get (rent?) an ozone generator and run
>> it for weeks under the sink, and see if it will oxidize away whatever
>> stinks.
>>
>
> Indoor ozone can damage your lungs.
>
> https://www.epa.gov/ozone-pollution-and-your-patients-health/health-effects-ozone-general-population

That's why you close the cabinet door.

On 7/27/2023 5:22 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:15:02 +0000, Owl1
> <8548e75263d3ef110f6cf5905c302693@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Micky (and others, whose replies I've really appreciated!) -
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this. What a frustrating dilemma to try to solve! As I mentioned in one of my replies, the sink we chose isn't a standard rectangular shape,
>
> I missed that.
>
>> but has some "free form" modernistic curves in it, so the hole for the sink in the granite countertop was cut to that shape. Woe is me -- to try to find any other sink with that shape and size!
>>
>> At this point, my wife is in favor of our trying to tolerate the smell. Both of us hate perfumed deodorizers so we'll look into alternatives to the Arm & Hammer odor eliminator that hasn't helped.
>
> Generally, people stop noticing both good and bad smells after a while.
> The sensors get tired or something. That's how garbage men are able to
> do their job without being botherer, or bothered much?, by the smell.
> But I don't know if that means they have to start from the beginning
> everr day or if it carries over from day to day.
>
> Also, maybe you can convince yourselves it's a good smell. For example,
> I like the smell of oil refineries. I've heard that some people like
> the smell of sweat or even flatulence.
>
> Right now I'm in Baltimore smelling the Canadian forest fires and I'm
> starting to like that smell (after about 10 days.)
>
>> Another option at this point, though admittedly not a good one: I don't own an airless paint sprayer, but I may buy or rent one so I can try to spray the Zinsser odor blocker up onto the sides, front, and back of the sink that I couldn't reach well even with the soft foam extension I sewed together. I realize that spraying the Zinsser would be an unlikely help since it didn't block the odor from the bottom of the sink.
>>
>> If we can't live with the problem, I'll contact granite countertop installers to see if they can lift the granite top and replace the sink (that is, _IF_ I can find another sink that shape!).
>>
>> And I may contact the sink's manufacturer in writing to see if they can be persuaded to accept responsibility. No one buys an undermount sink that may require tearing out the granite countertop in the future because the sink's sound-deadening material starts off-gassing an intolerable stink.
>
> As a last resort, yOu could lend your house to one of your children,
> maybe the stinkiest one, who can't afford a nice house of his own, and
> take it back 10 years from now when the smell is gone.

I still think an epoxy resin is going to seal the surface better than a
(probably) latex paint.

On 7/27/2023 10:01 PM, Bob F wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 6:29 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> On 7/27/2023 7:31 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2023 2:15 PM, Owl1 wrote:
>>>> Micky (and others, whose replies I've really appreciated!) -
>>>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this. What a frustrating
>>>> dilemma to try to solve! As I mentioned in one of my replies, the
>>>> sink we chose isn't a standard rectangular shape, but has some
>>>> "free form" modernistic curves in it, so the hole for the sink in
>>>> the granite countertop was cut to that shape. Woe is me -- to try
>>>> to find any other sink with that shape and size!
>>>>
>>>> At this point, my wife is in favor of our trying to tolerate the
>>>> smell. Both of us hate perfumed deodorizers so we'll look into
>>>> alternatives to the Arm & Hammer odor eliminator that hasn't helped.
>>>>
>>>> Another option at this point, though admittedly not a good one: I
>>>> don't own an airless paint sprayer, but I may buy or rent one so I
>>>> can try to spray the Zinsser odor blocker up onto the sides, front,
>>>> and back of the sink that I couldn't reach well even with the soft
>>>> foam extension I sewed together. I realize that spraying the
>>>> Zinsser would be an unlikely help since it didn't block the odor
>>>> from the bottom of the sink.
>>>>
>>>> If we can't live with the problem, I'll contact granite countertop
>>>> installers to see if they can lift the granite top and replace the
>>>> sink (that is, _IF_ I can find another sink that shape!).
>>>>
>>>> And I may contact the sink's manufacturer in writing to see if they
>>>> can be persuaded to accept responsibility. No one buys an
>>>> undermount sink that may require tearing out the granite countertop
>>>> in the future because the sink's sound-deadening material starts
>>>> off-gassing an intolerable stink.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Another possibility could be to get (rent?) an ozone generator and
>>> run it for weeks under the sink, and see if it will oxidize away
>>> whatever stinks.
>>>
>>
>> Indoor ozone can damage your lungs.
>>
>> https://www.epa.gov/ozone-pollution-and-your-patients-health/health-effects-ozone-general-population
>>
>
> That's why you close the cabinet door.
>
>

It will be like releasing Zyklon B under the sink and close the cabinet
door. Are you stupid or something?

The space down there is not airtight.

On 7/27/2023 7:26 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 10:01 PM, Bob F wrote:
>> On 7/27/2023 6:29 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2023 7:31 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/2023 2:15 PM, Owl1 wrote:
>>>>> Micky (and others, whose replies I've really appreciated!) -
>>>>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this. What a frustrating
>>>>> dilemma to try to solve! As I mentioned in one of my replies, the
>>>>> sink we chose isn't a standard rectangular shape, but has some
>>>>> "free form" modernistic curves in it, so the hole for the sink in
>>>>> the granite countertop was cut to that shape. Woe is me -- to try
>>>>> to find any other sink with that shape and size!
>>>>>
>>>>> At this point, my wife is in favor of our trying to tolerate the
>>>>> smell. Both of us hate perfumed deodorizers so we'll look into
>>>>> alternatives to the Arm & Hammer odor eliminator that hasn't helped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another option at this point, though admittedly not a good one: I
>>>>> don't own an airless paint sprayer, but I may buy or rent one so I
>>>>> can try to spray the Zinsser odor blocker up onto the sides, front,
>>>>> and back of the sink that I couldn't reach well even with the soft
>>>>> foam extension I sewed together. I realize that spraying the
>>>>> Zinsser would be an unlikely help since it didn't block the odor
>>>>> from the bottom of the sink.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we can't live with the problem, I'll contact granite countertop
>>>>> installers to see if they can lift the granite top and replace the
>>>>> sink (that is, _IF_ I can find another sink that shape!).
>>>>>
>>>>> And I may contact the sink's manufacturer in writing to see if they
>>>>> can be persuaded to accept responsibility. No one buys an
>>>>> undermount sink that may require tearing out the granite countertop
>>>>> in the future because the sink's sound-deadening material starts
>>>>> off-gassing an intolerable stink.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another possibility could be to get (rent?) an ozone generator and
>>>> run it for weeks under the sink, and see if it will oxidize away
>>>> whatever stinks.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Indoor ozone can damage your lungs.
>>>
>>> https://www.epa.gov/ozone-pollution-and-your-patients-health/health-effects-ozone-general-population
>>
>> That's why you close the cabinet door.
>>
>>
>
>
> It will be like releasing Zyklon B under the sink and close the cabinet
> door. Are you stupid or something?
>
> The space down there is not airtight.

If you are that concerned, do it while you are away on vacation or while
the house is being ventilated. It's not like

Ozone is a common solution for odor problems. It is nothing like
hydrogen cyanide.

On 2023-07-28, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 7:26 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> On 7/27/2023 10:01 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2023 6:29 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/2023 7:31 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>> On 7/27/2023 2:15 PM, Owl1 wrote:
>>>>>> Micky (and others, whose replies I've really appreciated!) -
>>>>>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this. What a frustrating
>>>>>> dilemma to try to solve! As I mentioned in one of my replies, the
>>>>>> sink we chose isn't a standard rectangular shape, but has some
>>>>>> "free form" modernistic curves in it, so the hole for the sink in
>>>>>> the granite countertop was cut to that shape. Woe is me -- to try
>>>>>> to find any other sink with that shape and size!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this point, my wife is in favor of our trying to tolerate the
>>>>>> smell. Both of us hate perfumed deodorizers so we'll look into
>>>>>> alternatives to the Arm & Hammer odor eliminator that hasn't helped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another option at this point, though admittedly not a good one: I
>>>>>> don't own an airless paint sprayer, but I may buy or rent one so I
>>>>>> can try to spray the Zinsser odor blocker up onto the sides, front,
>>>>>> and back of the sink that I couldn't reach well even with the soft
>>>>>> foam extension I sewed together. I realize that spraying the
>>>>>> Zinsser would be an unlikely help since it didn't block the odor
>>>>>> from the bottom of the sink.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we can't live with the problem, I'll contact granite countertop
>>>>>> installers to see if they can lift the granite top and replace the
>>>>>> sink (that is, _IF_ I can find another sink that shape!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I may contact the sink's manufacturer in writing to see if they
>>>>>> can be persuaded to accept responsibility. No one buys an
>>>>>> undermount sink that may require tearing out the granite countertop
>>>>>> in the future because the sink's sound-deadening material starts
>>>>>> off-gassing an intolerable stink.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another possibility could be to get (rent?) an ozone generator and
>>>>> run it for weeks under the sink, and see if it will oxidize away
>>>>> whatever stinks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indoor ozone can damage your lungs.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.epa.gov/ozone-pollution-and-your-patients-health/health-effects-ozone-general-population
>>>
>>> That's why you close the cabinet door.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> It will be like releasing Zyklon B under the sink and close the cabinet
>> door. Are you stupid or something?
>>
>> The space down there is not airtight.
>
> If you are that concerned, do it while you are away on vacation or while
> the house is being ventilated. It's not like
>
> Ozone is a common solution for odor problems. It is nothing like
> hydrogen cyanide.

We once had a hot tub that used ozone to help the bromine keep the
water clean. Ozone is not that big a deal. The dose makes the
poison.

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