In short, "the gospel of American Progress—democracy, liberalism, equality" is not true. Not in harmony with natural human tendencies.

"Nation-building abroad was a fool's errand, but the fall of Kabul may have troubling implications closer to home.
....
There was no good way for the war in Afghanistan to end, but even the pessimists didn’t think it was going to be this bad. Mere days after the long-awaited drawdown of U.S. troops, Kabul has fallen and the nation has effectively been handed over to the Taliban.
....
The prevailing narrative as to why is simple: Western democracy would never have taken root in Afghanistan, which is fundamentally a primitive, tribal society; any imperialistic attempt to transplant an American system there was doomed from the beginning for the simple fact that Afghanistan is not America.

There is an important element of truth here, but it is not the whole truth. The disaster in Afghanistan is not just a lesson in particularism. This explanation fails, for instance, to consider why other imperial endeavors lasted so much longer when they were no less foreign to the places and the people they controlled. All empires fall—plenty of them in Afghanistan alone—but why did the American empire fall there so quickly?
....
This is the key: America, the last imperial force in the West, failed because its feckless elite have adopted a creed with failure written into it. (Paging James Burnham…) To fully understand the failure, we have to recognize what Tucker Carlson called, in a blistering Monday monologue, “the main lesson of the fall of Kabul: We are led by buffoons. They have no idea what they’re doing; we know that now. They’re imposters. Everything they touch turns to chaos—not just there, but here.”

Carlson continued with a bit of a Freudian slip: “America is—uh, Afghanistan is not the first country our leaders have left worse than they found it.” We must consider the possibility that the gospel of American Progress—democracy, liberalism, equality—failed in Afghanistan not because it is not Afghan but because it is not true. Because, if we are really being honest, it’s not doing too hot on the homefront either.

....in reaction to the malignant nationalism of Nazi Germany, Western intellectuals had completely forsworn the “strong gods”—“the old attachments to nation, clan, and religion”—in favor of an open society, an ideological and technocratic liberalism that placed a rationalized vision of human rights and structural neutrality above all else—including a sober view of the reality on the ground..

It was this postwar consensus (which Burnham aptly called “the ideology of Western suicide”) that two generations of American elites tried to export to the Middle East. But its failure was built-in: Because the human tendencies perverted in National Socialism were themselves natural and good, suppressing them wholesale could never serve human or social flourishing. That suppression would always be unstable, and perhaps just as corrosive as active corruption. We cannot export a product built to self-destruct and then pretend to be surprised when it explodes."

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/afghanistans-return-of-the-strong-gods/

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 9:51:27 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> In short, "the gospel of American Progress—democracy, liberalism, equality" is not true. Not in harmony with natural human tendencies.
>
> "Nation-building abroad was a fool's errand, but the fall of Kabul may have troubling implications closer to home.
> ...
> There was no good way for the war in Afghanistan to end, but even the pessimists didn’t think it was going to be this bad. Mere days after the long-awaited drawdown of U.S. troops, Kabul has fallen and the nation has effectively been handed over to the Taliban.
> ...
> The prevailing narrative as to why is simple: Western democracy would never have taken root in Afghanistan, which is fundamentally a primitive, tribal society; any imperialistic attempt to transplant an American system there was doomed from the beginning for the simple fact that Afghanistan is not America.
>
> There is an important element of truth here, but it is not the whole truth. The disaster in Afghanistan is not just a lesson in particularism. This explanation fails, for instance, to consider why other imperial endeavors lasted so much longer when they were no less foreign to the places and the people they controlled. All empires fall—plenty of them in Afghanistan alone—but why did the American empire fall there so quickly?
> ...
> This is the key: America, the last imperial force in the West, failed because its feckless elite have adopted a creed with failure written into it. (Paging James Burnham…) To fully understand the failure, we have to recognize what Tucker Carlson called, in a blistering Monday monologue, “the main lesson of the fall of Kabul: We are led by buffoons. They have no idea what they’re doing; we know that now. They’re imposters. Everything they touch turns to chaos—not just there, but here.”
>
> Carlson continued with a bit of a Freudian slip: “America is—uh, Afghanistan is not the first country our leaders have left worse than they found it.” We must consider the possibility that the gospel of American Progress—democracy, liberalism, equality—failed in Afghanistan not because it is not Afghan but because it is not true. Because, if we are really being honest, it’s not doing too hot on the homefront either.
>
> ...in reaction to the malignant nationalism of Nazi Germany, Western intellectuals had completely forsworn the “strong gods”—“the old attachments to nation, clan, and religion”—in favor of an open society, an ideological and technocratic liberalism that placed a rationalized vision of human rights and structural neutrality above all else—including a sober view of the reality on the ground.
>
> It was this postwar consensus (which Burnham aptly called “the ideology of Western suicide”) that two generations of American elites tried to export to the Middle East. But its failure was built-in: Because the human tendencies perverted in National Socialism were themselves natural and good, suppressing them wholesale could never serve human or social flourishing. That suppression would always be unstable, and perhaps just as corrosive as active corruption. We cannot export a product built to self-destruct and then pretend to be surprised when it explodes."
>
> https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/afghanistans-return-of-the-strong-gods/

One of, so far, a small number of articles challenging the American Gospel of democracy, liberalism,
equality. No. The strong gods of old attachments to nation, clan, and religion as conceived by the
religious and the nationalistic right would not have the final words. But there will be a paradigm shift
within the next 10 to 20 years.

Everywhere they touched they hoped they can turn their war target into ice
cream. But instead they get themselves into dust and ash.

"ltlee1" wrote in message
news:2b8844be-0ce8-486d-ae3a-c4a79db3b114n@googlegroups.com...

In short, "the gospel of American Progress—democracy, liberalism, equality"
is not true. Not in harmony with natural human tendencies.

"Nation-building abroad was a fool's errand, but the fall of Kabul may have
troubling implications closer to home.
....
There was no good way for the war in Afghanistan to end, but even the
pessimists didn’t think it was going to be this bad. Mere days after the
long-awaited drawdown of U.S. troops, Kabul has fallen and the nation has
effectively been handed over to the Taliban.
....
The prevailing narrative as to why is simple: Western democracy would never
have taken root in Afghanistan, which is fundamentally a primitive, tribal
society; any imperialistic attempt to transplant an American system there
was doomed from the beginning for the simple fact that Afghanistan is not
America.

There is an important element of truth here, but it is not the whole truth.
The disaster in Afghanistan is not just a lesson in particularism. This
explanation fails, for instance, to consider why other imperial endeavors
lasted so much longer when they were no less foreign to the places and the
people they controlled. All empires fall—plenty of them in Afghanistan
alone—but why did the American empire fall there so quickly?
....
This is the key: America, the last imperial force in the West, failed
because its feckless elite have adopted a creed with failure written into
it. (Paging James Burnham…) To fully understand the failure, we have to
recognize what Tucker Carlson called, in a blistering Monday monologue, “the
main lesson of the fall of Kabul: We are led by buffoons. They have no idea
what they’re doing; we know that now. They’re imposters. Everything they
touch turns to chaos—not just there, but here.”

Carlson continued with a bit of a Freudian slip: “America is—uh, Afghanistan
is not the first country our leaders have left worse than they found it.” We
must consider the possibility that the gospel of American
Progress—democracy, liberalism, equality—failed in Afghanistan not because
it is not Afghan but because it is not true. Because, if we are really being
honest, it’s not doing too hot on the homefront either.

....in reaction to the malignant nationalism of Nazi Germany, Western
intellectuals had completely forsworn the “strong gods”—“the old attachments
to nation, clan, and religion”—in favor of an open society, an ideological
and technocratic liberalism that placed a rationalized vision of human
rights and structural neutrality above all else—including a sober view of
the reality on the ground.

It was this postwar consensus (which Burnham aptly called “the ideology of
Western suicide”) that two generations of American elites tried to export to
the Middle East. But its failure was built-in: Because the human tendencies
perverted in National Socialism were themselves natural and good,
suppressing them wholesale could never serve human or social flourishing.
That suppression would always be unstable, and perhaps just as corrosive as
active corruption. We cannot export a product built to self-destruct and
then pretend to be surprised when it explodes."

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/afghanistans-return-of-the-strong-gods/

On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:15:26 AM UTC-4, matte kudasai@gmail.com chotto matte kudasai wrote:
> Everywhere they touched they hoped they can turn their war target into ice
> cream. But instead they get themselves into dust and ash.
>
>
>
> "ltlee1" wrote in message
> news:2b8844be-0ce8-486d...@googlegroups.com...
> In short, "the gospel of American Progress—democracy, liberalism, equality"
> is not true. Not in harmony with natural human tendencies.
>
> "Nation-building abroad was a fool's errand, but the fall of Kabul may have
> troubling implications closer to home.
> ...
> There was no good way for the war in Afghanistan to end, but even the
> pessimists didn’t think it was going to be this bad. Mere days after the
> long-awaited drawdown of U.S. troops, Kabul has fallen and the nation has
> effectively been handed over to the Taliban.
> ...
> The prevailing narrative as to why is simple: Western democracy would never
> have taken root in Afghanistan, which is fundamentally a primitive, tribal
> society; any imperialistic attempt to transplant an American system there
> was doomed from the beginning for the simple fact that Afghanistan is not
> America.
>
> There is an important element of truth here, but it is not the whole truth.
> The disaster in Afghanistan is not just a lesson in particularism. This
> explanation fails, for instance, to consider why other imperial endeavors
> lasted so much longer when they were no less foreign to the places and the
> people they controlled. All empires fall—plenty of them in Afghanistan
> alone—but why did the American empire fall there so quickly?
> ...
> This is the key: America, the last imperial force in the West, failed
> because its feckless elite have adopted a creed with failure written into
> it. (Paging James Burnham…) To fully understand the failure, we have to
> recognize what Tucker Carlson called, in a blistering Monday monologue, “the
> main lesson of the fall of Kabul: We are led by buffoons. They have no idea
> what they’re doing; we know that now. They’re imposters. Everything they
> touch turns to chaos—not just there, but here.”
>
> Carlson continued with a bit of a Freudian slip: “America is—uh, Afghanistan
> is not the first country our leaders have left worse than they found it.” We
> must consider the possibility that the gospel of American
> Progress—democracy, liberalism, equality—failed in Afghanistan not because
> it is not Afghan but because it is not true. Because, if we are really being
> honest, it’s not doing too hot on the homefront either.
>
> ...in reaction to the malignant nationalism of Nazi Germany, Western
> intellectuals had completely forsworn the “strong gods”—“the old attachments
> to nation, clan, and religion”—in favor of an open society, an ideological
> and technocratic liberalism that placed a rationalized vision of human
> rights and structural neutrality above all else—including a sober view of
> the reality on the ground.
>
> It was this postwar consensus (which Burnham aptly called “the ideology of
> Western suicide”) that two generations of American elites tried to export to
> the Middle East. But its failure was built-in: Because the human tendencies
> perverted in National Socialism were themselves natural and good,
> suppressing them wholesale could never serve human or social flourishing.
> That suppression would always be unstable, and perhaps just as corrosive as
> active corruption. We cannot export a product built to self-destruct and
> then pretend to be surprised when it explodes."
>
> https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/afghanistans-return-of-the-strong-gods/

No evidence that American (Gospel) democracy works as its has been preached..

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 3:26:22 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 9:51:27 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > In short, "the gospel of American Progress—democracy, liberalism, equality" is not true. Not in harmony with natural human tendencies.
> >
> > "Nation-building abroad was a fool's errand, but the fall of Kabul may have troubling implications closer to home.
> > ...
> > There was no good way for the war in Afghanistan to end, but even the pessimists didn’t think it was going to be this bad. Mere days after the long-awaited drawdown of U.S. troops, Kabul has fallen and the nation has effectively been handed over to the Taliban.
> > ...
> > The prevailing narrative as to why is simple: Western democracy would never have taken root in Afghanistan, which is fundamentally a primitive, tribal society; any imperialistic attempt to transplant an American system there was doomed from the beginning for the simple fact that Afghanistan is not America.
> >
> > There is an important element of truth here, but it is not the whole truth. The disaster in Afghanistan is not just a lesson in particularism. This explanation fails, for instance, to consider why other imperial endeavors lasted so much longer when they were no less foreign to the places and the people they controlled. All empires fall—plenty of them in Afghanistan alone—but why did the American empire fall there so quickly?
> > ...
> > This is the key: America, the last imperial force in the West, failed because its feckless elite have adopted a creed with failure written into it.. (Paging James Burnham…) To fully understand the failure, we have to recognize what Tucker Carlson called, in a blistering Monday monologue, “the main lesson of the fall of Kabul: We are led by buffoons. They have no idea what they’re doing; we know that now. They’re imposters. Everything they touch turns to chaos—not just there, but here.”
> >
> > Carlson continued with a bit of a Freudian slip: “America is—uh, Afghanistan is not the first country our leaders have left worse than they found it.” We must consider the possibility that the gospel of American Progress—democracy, liberalism, equality—failed in Afghanistan not because it is not Afghan but because it is not true. Because, if we are really being honest, it’s not doing too hot on the homefront either.
> >
> > ...in reaction to the malignant nationalism of Nazi Germany, Western intellectuals had completely forsworn the “strong gods”—“the old attachments to nation, clan, and religion”—in favor of an open society, an ideological and technocratic liberalism that placed a rationalized vision of human rights and structural neutrality above all else—including a sober view of the reality on the ground.
> >
> > It was this postwar consensus (which Burnham aptly called “the ideology of Western suicide”) that two generations of American elites tried to export to the Middle East. But its failure was built-in: Because the human tendencies perverted in National Socialism were themselves natural and good, suppressing them wholesale could never serve human or social flourishing. That suppression would always be unstable, and perhaps just as corrosive as active corruption. We cannot export a product built to self-destruct and then pretend to be surprised when it explodes."
> >
> > https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/afghanistans-return-of-the-strong-gods/
> One of, so far, a small number of articles challenging the American Gospel of democracy, liberalism,
> equality. No. The strong gods of old attachments to nation, clan, and religion as conceived by the
> religious and the nationalistic right would not have the final words. But there will be a paradigm shift
> within the next 10 to 20 years.

"The core of democracy in the West is procedure, which is reflected in political activities such as elections and voting. But these activities fail to remove institutional injustice, which is also the main limitation of Western democracy. Whole-process democracy, in contrast, conforms to democracy in the Marxist sense of the term. It is in essence people's democracy.

Whole-process democracy unifies the essence and procedures of people's democracy in state governance. In whole-process democracy, the organic unity of the people is the core concept of democracy. Whole-process democracy always respects the choice of the people, and true democracy can be developed only through people's democracy.

Extensive people's participation in all aspects of governance guarantees equal political rights to all members of society, which is different from the "gerrymander" trap in Western democratic elections and voting. For a Marxist party such as the CPC, governance is determined by the Party spirit and the people's needs, a unique characteristic that distinguishes it from other political parties. Specifically, the core concept of Chinese democracy and the practice of whole-process democracy are and will always be meeting the needs of China's diverse groups of people, and ensuring that the people feel a greater sense of gain, happiness and security.

Whole-process democracy also promotes scientific decision-making. In China, every major decision is made on the basis of extensive solicitation of public opinions and many rounds of deliberations. That is to say, no major decision is made without full democratic consultations.

While seeking public opinions, the officials make the people fully aware of the related issues so they can understand how a specific policy will benefit all members of society. By doing so, whole-process democracy guarantees the effective participation of the people and fulfills the requirements of the whole society.

Besides, whole-process democracy helps improve grassroots governance. Self-governance at the grassroots level is an important form of socialist democracy and has helped establish a series of effective institutional arrangements under the Party's leadership. Whole-process democracy encourages the people to participate in social governance, helps maintain social harmony, and facilitates the modernization of China's governance system and enhance its governance capacity.

In other words, whole-process democracy better reflects the people's will, protects the people's rights and interests, and boosts their creativity."

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202108/18/WS611c7503a310efa1bd669890.html

All these American democratic gospels are made by American's whites who
fabricated their own values and gospels on how their democracy should be it.

They killed all the native Red Indians and took over their lands and then
went around world to piss, pee, shit, smack, molest, rape other countries.

They then imposed them to adopt, follow, and American democratic values and
their bullshit systems.

"ltlee1" wrote in message
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On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 3:26:22 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 9:51:27 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> > In short, "the gospel of American Progress—democracy, liberalism,
> > equality" is not true. Not in harmony with natural human tendencies.
> >
> > "Nation-building abroad was a fool's errand, but the fall of Kabul may
> > have troubling implications closer to home.
> > ...
> > There was no good way for the war in Afghanistan to end, but even the
> > pessimists didn’t think it was going to be this bad. Mere days after the
> > long-awaited drawdown of U.S. troops, Kabul has fallen and the nation
> > has effectively been handed over to the Taliban.
> > ...
> > The prevailing narrative as to why is simple: Western democracy would
> > never have taken root in Afghanistan, which is fundamentally a
> > primitive, tribal society; any imperialistic attempt to transplant an
> > American system there was doomed from the beginning for the simple fact
> > that Afghanistan is not America.
> >
> > There is an important element of truth here, but it is not the whole
> > truth. The disaster in Afghanistan is not just a lesson in
> > particularism. This explanation fails, for instance, to consider why
> > other imperial endeavors lasted so much longer when they were no less
> > foreign to the places and the people they controlled. All empires
> > fall—plenty of them in Afghanistan alone—but why did the American empire
> > fall there so quickly?
> > ...
> > This is the key: America, the last imperial force in the West, failed
> > because its feckless elite have adopted a creed with failure written
> > into it. (Paging James Burnham…) To fully understand the failure, we
> > have to recognize what Tucker Carlson called, in a blistering Monday
> > monologue, “the main lesson of the fall of Kabul: We are led by
> > buffoons. They have no idea what they’re doing; we know that now. They’re
> > imposters. Everything they touch turns to chaos—not just there, but
> > here.”
> >
> > Carlson continued with a bit of a Freudian slip: “America is—uh,
> > Afghanistan is not the first country our leaders have left worse than
> > they found it.” We must consider the possibility that the gospel of
> > American Progress—democracy, liberalism, equality—failed in Afghanistan
> > not because it is not Afghan but because it is not true. Because, if we
> > are really being honest, it’s not doing too hot on the homefront either.
> >
> > ...in reaction to the malignant nationalism of Nazi Germany, Western
> > intellectuals had completely forsworn the “strong gods”—“the old
> > attachments to nation, clan, and religion”—in favor of an open society,
> > an ideological and technocratic liberalism that placed a rationalized
> > vision of human rights and structural neutrality above all
> > else—including a sober view of the reality on the ground.
> >
> > It was this postwar consensus (which Burnham aptly called “the ideology
> > of Western suicide”) that two generations of American elites tried to
> > export to the Middle East. But its failure was built-in: Because the
> > human tendencies perverted in National Socialism were themselves natural
> > and good, suppressing them wholesale could never serve human or social
> > flourishing. That suppression would always be unstable, and perhaps just
> > as corrosive as active corruption. We cannot export a product built to
> > self-destruct and then pretend to be surprised when it explodes."
> >
> > https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/afghanistans-return-of-the-strong-gods/
> One of, so far, a small number of articles challenging the American Gospel
> of democracy, liberalism,
> equality. No. The strong gods of old attachments to nation, clan, and
> religion as conceived by the
> religious and the nationalistic right would not have the final words. But
> there will be a paradigm shift
> within the next 10 to 20 years.

"The core of democracy in the West is procedure, which is reflected in
political activities such as elections and voting. But these activities fail
to remove institutional injustice, which is also the main limitation of
Western democracy. Whole-process democracy, in contrast, conforms to
democracy in the Marxist sense of the term. It is in essence people's
democracy.

Whole-process democracy unifies the essence and procedures of people's
democracy in state governance. In whole-process democracy, the organic unity
of the people is the core concept of democracy. Whole-process democracy
always respects the choice of the people, and true democracy can be
developed only through people's democracy.

Extensive people's participation in all aspects of governance guarantees
equal political rights to all members of society, which is different from
the "gerrymander" trap in Western democratic elections and voting. For a
Marxist party such as the CPC, governance is determined by the Party spirit
and the people's needs, a unique characteristic that distinguishes it from
other political parties. Specifically, the core concept of Chinese democracy
and the practice of whole-process democracy are and will always be meeting
the needs of China's diverse groups of people, and ensuring that the people
feel a greater sense of gain, happiness and security.

Whole-process democracy also promotes scientific decision-making. In China,
every major decision is made on the basis of extensive solicitation of
public opinions and many rounds of deliberations. That is to say, no major
decision is made without full democratic consultations.

While seeking public opinions, the officials make the people fully aware of
the related issues so they can understand how a specific policy will benefit
all members of society. By doing so, whole-process democracy guarantees the
effective participation of the people and fulfills the requirements of the
whole society.

Besides, whole-process democracy helps improve grassroots governance.
Self-governance at the grassroots level is an important form of socialist
democracy and has helped establish a series of effective institutional
arrangements under the Party's leadership. Whole-process democracy
encourages the people to participate in social governance, helps maintain
social harmony, and facilitates the modernization of China's governance
system and enhance its governance capacity.

In other words, whole-process democracy better reflects the people's will,
protects the people's rights and interests, and boosts their creativity."

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202108/18/WS611c7503a310efa1bd669890.html