On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 06:56:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

> Ah yes, I boarded the 747 with an old friend, met at the airport,
> we were heading towars the same destination,
> long time no see, he had reserved a seat on the upper deck,
> wanted to show me (I was booked on the lower deck)
> but the stewardes did not allow me to climb those stairs when boarding

https://travelupdate.com/747-upper-deck-lounge-longest/

It took a while before the airlines realized they could add seats to the
upper deck. When we were setting up a molding plant in Minnesota I would
fly out Sunday night. The Chicago to Minneapolis hop was mostly stews
relocating for the Monday red-eyes. Party time!. Northwest was a bit
different than other airlines of the day. They didn't use the little nips.
The galleys had real bottles of booze. There were sleeves over the labels
but it wasn't rotgut and the stews poured heavy.

Looking back it's a wonder I didn't spread myself over the prairie on the
150 mile drive from Minneapolis to Morris.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:26:18 +0100, D wrote:

> I do like the modern business class trend of being able to sleep flat.
> But that is still not enough to make me voluntarily travel in a metal
> tube for 10-13 hours.

I've reached the point where if I can't drive there I'm not going.

> Sadly my wife loves travelling so she forces me on a long trip every 2
> years or so. =( I try to trick her into getting a dog, so I'd have 15
> years of peace, but not working. =(

No, you'd have to pay for a boarding kennel and both the wife and dog
would be pissed at you.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 23:40:27 -0400, "68hx.1804" <68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote:

> That's what you get with the old American Spirit and
> build 'em RIGHT.
>
> SOME firm should realize that there's STILL a market
> for near-identical aircraft and build some C47-1/2 ...
>
> Oh, and RIVETS may pop, but the entire seam doesn't
> shred like with welded/glued construction. Sometimes
> Old School really IS better.

You ready to trade your current vehicle in on a '37 Model A?

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On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:26:18 +0100, D wrote:
>
>
>> I do like the modern business class trend of being able to sleep flat.
>> But that is still not enough to make me voluntarily travel in a metal
>> tube for 10-13 hours.
>
> I've reached the point where if I can't drive there I'm not going.

You're a wise man of great taste! This is one of my goals. I might accept
train if they work as well and are as quiet as in Japan.

>
>> Sadly my wife loves travelling so she forces me on a long trip every 2
>> years or so. =( I try to trick her into getting a dog, so I'd have 15
>> years of peace, but not working. =(
>
> No, you'd have to pay for a boarding kennel and both the wife and dog
> would be pissed at you.

Haha, good point! ;)

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 22:54:44 +0100, D wrote:

> You're a wise man of great taste! This is one of my goals. I might
> accept train if they work as well and are as quiet as in Japan.

I like trains but the nearest Amtrak terminal is about 120 miles away. We
have two train stations. The old Milwaukee terminal is now the Boone and
Crockett Club headquarters and the right of way is a bike trail. The
Northern Pacific is offices I think. That one has working rails but they
are all freight except for very rare excursions.

On a sunny day (15 Mar 2024 17:56:39 GMT) it happened rbowman
<bowman@montana.com> wrote in <l5jgemFg9boU10@mid.individual.net>:

>On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 06:56:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
>> Ah yes, I boarded the 747 with an old friend, met at the airport,
>> we were heading towars the same destination,
>> long time no see, he had reserved a seat on the upper deck,
>> wanted to show me (I was booked on the lower deck)
>> but the stewardes did not allow me to climb those stairs when boarding
>
>https://travelupdate.com/747-upper-deck-lounge-longest/

Links say 'site is under maintenance, try later'.

>It took a while before the airlines realized they could add seats to the
>upper deck. When we were setting up a molding plant in Minnesota I would
>fly out Sunday night. The Chicago to Minneapolis hop was mostly stews
>relocating for the Monday red-eyes. Party time!. Northwest was a bit
>different than other airlines of the day. They didn't use the little nips.
>The galleys had real bottles of booze. There were sleeves over the labels
>but it wasn't rotgut and the stews poured heavy.
>
>Looking back it's a wonder I didn't spread myself over the prairie on the
>150 mile drive from Minneapolis to Morris.

hehe:-)
I just did read an other Boeing lost a panel today... (ouside next to the wing)
Quite unbelievable given all the noise the previous one made in the headlines!

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 22:54:44 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> You're a wise man of great taste! This is one of my goals. I might
>> accept train if they work as well and are as quiet as in Japan.
>
> I like trains but the nearest Amtrak terminal is about 120 miles away. We
> have two train stations. The old Milwaukee terminal is now the Boone and
> Crockett Club headquarters and the right of way is a bike trail. The
> Northern Pacific is offices I think. That one has working rails but they
> are all freight except for very rare excursions.
>

Ahh.. so maybe a chance for you to jump onto the freight trains? How
nostalgic that would be! ;)

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:13:17 +0100, D wrote:

> Ahh.. so maybe a chance for you to jump onto the freight trains? How
> nostalgic that would be!

Yeah, right, a geriatric hobo. A lot of them are coal trains and the cars
look like they're a bit short on creature comforts.

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:13:17 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Ahh.. so maybe a chance for you to jump onto the freight trains? How
>> nostalgic that would be!
>
> Yeah, right, a geriatric hobo. A lot of them are coal trains and the cars
> look like they're a bit short on creature comforts.
>

Tss... and here I thought nostalgia and all there was was coal trains. =(

On 3/17/24 2:02 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 06:44:08 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
>> Spring is starting very early here, need to mow the grass,..
>> some flowers are blooming, butterfies.
>
> I haven't seen any butterflies although some of the smaller insects have
> hatched out. It will probably be a month before I have to fire up the
> lawnmower. We're about 5 degrees further south than Amsterdam but there's
> no ocean to help.

Weather report is for one last cold-snap
this week.

After that, pretty tropical ... El Nino is
back after less than a year. Hung around for
almost four years last time. Near-permanent
"tropical jet" now ..........

If you live on the Gulf Coast - better do those
Cat4+ improvements. Lots of steel straps holding
things together. Consider houses made from
welded-together old steel cargo containers,
really.

I see there's now a fair prediction that ALL
arctic ice will vanish, maybe within just a
few years. BIG boon to TRADE .... not so sure
what it means for other stuff. After the Dino
Asteroid there was a good span where the world
was tropical rain-forest pole to pole. We may
be seeing a repeat. No, NOT bad for "diversity",
indeed a boon, esp for the new little furry
things, but damned inconvenient for current
human systems. We'd better find NEW systems ...

On 3/14/24 10:17 AM, 62hz.1804 wrote:
> On 3/13/2024 11:11 PM, 68hx.1804 wrote:
>> On 3/13/24 10:28 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>> 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote on 3/13/2024 10:43 AM:
>>>>> On 3/13/2024 6:45 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:56:35 +0100) it happened D
>>>>>> <nospam@example.net> wrote in
>>>>>> <baefe377-09f9-f476-0d38-76aa9f160636@example.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I have become a bit more reluctant too after on a flight
>>>>>>>> from Barcelona Spain to Amsterdam Netherlands
>>>>>>>> an engine caught fire and we had to circle around and dump fuel
>>>>>>>> before landing back again in Barcelona
>>>>>>>> welcomed by fire trucks and what not.
>>>>>>>> People were applauding the captain too.
>>>>>>>> I considered myself stupid as I had spotted a big pool of what
>>>>>>>> looked like oil
>>>>>>>> under one engine, but thought : 'Somebody must have checked that'.
>>>>>>>> Normally a captain should at least walk around the plane before
>>>>>>>> boarding to see if anything is wrong,
>>>>>>>> but these guys just walked straight in and took of.
>>>>>>>> When home later on an other flight I called the newspaper,
>>>>>>>> reported the incident, and they then did an article about airplane
>>>>>>>> maintenance.
>>>>>>>> I was sitting all the way in the front when I heard the hammer
>>>>>>>> (alarm bells) come on...
>>>>>>>> was just reading about Bill and Monica... those days.
>>>>>>>> But I am still flying :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it a low cost budget airline perhaps? I remember on several
>>>>>>> occasions when flying ryanair, that the crew was so stressed they
>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>> have any security demonstrations, and once I remember they let a
>>>>>>> parent
>>>>>>> just sit with her infant in her arms without any seatbelt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would not seem implausible that similar stress also makes pilots
>>>>>>> skip
>>>>>>> their security controls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really do not remember that,. booked it and the return flight
>>>>>> through a local travel agency.
>>>>>> Had to get a taxi when back, late at night, no public transport at
>>>>>> that time to where I lived,
>>>>>> got the money for the taxi back from the traval agency.
>>>>>> Next few times from here (Netherlands) to the UK I took a boat
>>>>>> (where I would often fly),
>>>>>> did not even make much difference in time,
>>>>>> more freedom, you can walk around, stay on deck if you want, or
>>>>>> even get a cabin.
>>>>>> But I do think I will look for a non-Boeing flight next time.
>>>>>> What comes back in my memory is that just after he became
>>>>>> precedent (or was it President ;-0)
>>>>>> trump was at Boeing telling how great it was.
>>>>>> Is there a correlation? 2019:
>>>>>>   https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1QT2MQ/
>>>>>> Trump does not care about anything, that attitude sort of spreads...
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/06/business/boeing-airbus-world-trade-organization.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the story.  It is not political and your time frame is off.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downfall:_The_Case_Against_Boeing
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a simple matter of management putting profits over quality.
>>>>> A fault of many corporations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a two day visit to Boeing facilities and labs decades ago and
>>>>> was impressed with their attention to detail even endurance tests
>>>>> on aircraft in long time service.  Sadly this has changed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a failure of the American-style unfettered capitalist system.
>>>
>>> The government requiring that businesses hire unqualified niggers
>>> and women is NOT unfettered capitalism.
>>
>>
>>    Wipe yer ass with that white hood and throw
>>    it in the garbage
>
> He's on your side, Nazi. *He* says "woke" and "wokie," too, the same as
> you. He's telling you to launder *your* white hood, put it on and wear
> it proudly like your fellow KKK.

Yip yip yip little Xi-suckup Wokie ...

Nobody believes in you anymore.

Inform Xi of your total failure.

MIGHT be a janitorial future for you.

On 3/14/24 10:17 AM, 62hz.1804 wrote:
> On 3/13/2024 11:11 PM, 68hx.1804 wrote:
>> On 3/13/24 10:28 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>> 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote on 3/13/2024 10:43 AM:
>>>>> On 3/13/2024 6:45 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:56:35 +0100) it happened D
>>>>>> <nospam@example.net> wrote in
>>>>>> <baefe377-09f9-f476-0d38-76aa9f160636@example.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I have become a bit more reluctant too after on a flight
>>>>>>>> from Barcelona Spain to Amsterdam Netherlands
>>>>>>>> an engine caught fire and we had to circle around and dump fuel
>>>>>>>> before landing back again in Barcelona
>>>>>>>> welcomed by fire trucks and what not.
>>>>>>>> People were applauding the captain too.
>>>>>>>> I considered myself stupid as I had spotted a big pool of what
>>>>>>>> looked like oil
>>>>>>>> under one engine, but thought : 'Somebody must have checked that'.
>>>>>>>> Normally a captain should at least walk around the plane before
>>>>>>>> boarding to see if anything is wrong,
>>>>>>>> but these guys just walked straight in and took of.
>>>>>>>> When home later on an other flight I called the newspaper,
>>>>>>>> reported the incident, and they then did an article about airplane
>>>>>>>> maintenance.
>>>>>>>> I was sitting all the way in the front when I heard the hammer
>>>>>>>> (alarm bells) come on...
>>>>>>>> was just reading about Bill and Monica... those days.
>>>>>>>> But I am still flying :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it a low cost budget airline perhaps? I remember on several
>>>>>>> occasions when flying ryanair, that the crew was so stressed they
>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>> have any security demonstrations, and once I remember they let a
>>>>>>> parent
>>>>>>> just sit with her infant in her arms without any seatbelt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would not seem implausible that similar stress also makes pilots
>>>>>>> skip
>>>>>>> their security controls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really do not remember that,. booked it and the return flight
>>>>>> through a local travel agency.
>>>>>> Had to get a taxi when back, late at night, no public transport at
>>>>>> that time to where I lived,
>>>>>> got the money for the taxi back from the traval agency.
>>>>>> Next few times from here (Netherlands) to the UK I took a boat
>>>>>> (where I would often fly),
>>>>>> did not even make much difference in time,
>>>>>> more freedom, you can walk around, stay on deck if you want, or
>>>>>> even get a cabin.
>>>>>> But I do think I will look for a non-Boeing flight next time.
>>>>>> What comes back in my memory is that just after he became
>>>>>> precedent (or was it President ;-0)
>>>>>> trump was at Boeing telling how great it was.
>>>>>> Is there a correlation? 2019:
>>>>>>   https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1QT2MQ/
>>>>>> Trump does not care about anything, that attitude sort of spreads...
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/06/business/boeing-airbus-world-trade-organization.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the story.  It is not political and your time frame is off.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downfall:_The_Case_Against_Boeing
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a simple matter of management putting profits over quality.
>>>>> A fault of many corporations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a two day visit to Boeing facilities and labs decades ago and
>>>>> was impressed with their attention to detail even endurance tests
>>>>> on aircraft in long time service.  Sadly this has changed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a failure of the American-style unfettered capitalist system.
>>>
>>> The government requiring that businesses hire unqualified niggers
>>> and women is NOT unfettered capitalism.
>>
>>
>>    Wipe yer ass with that white hood and throw
>>    it in the garbage
>
> He's on your side, Nazi. *He* says "woke" and "wokie," too, the same as
> you. He's telling you to launder *your* white hood, put it on and wear
> it proudly like your fellow KKK.

Go yip yip yipping back to your master Xi with your
little tail between your legs wokieNAZI cur ....

On 3/19/2024 1:07 PM, 68hx.1805 wrote:
> On 3/14/24 10:17 AM, 62hz.1804 wrote:
>> On 3/13/2024 11:11 PM, 68hx.1804 wrote:
>>> On 3/13/24 10:28 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote on 3/13/2024 10:43 AM:
>>>>>> On 3/13/2024 6:45 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:56:35 +0100) it happened D
>>>>>>> <nospam@example.net> wrote in
>>>>>>> <baefe377-09f9-f476-0d38-76aa9f160636@example.net>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I have become a bit more reluctant too after on a flight from
>>>>>>>>> Barcelona Spain to Amsterdam Netherlands
>>>>>>>>> an engine caught fire and we had to circle around and dump fuel before
>>>>>>>>> landing back again in Barcelona
>>>>>>>>> welcomed by fire trucks and what not.
>>>>>>>>> People were applauding the captain too.
>>>>>>>>> I considered myself stupid as I had spotted a big pool of what looked
>>>>>>>>> like oil
>>>>>>>>> under one engine, but thought : 'Somebody must have checked that'.
>>>>>>>>> Normally a captain should at least walk around the plane before
>>>>>>>>> boarding to see if anything is wrong,
>>>>>>>>> but these guys just walked straight in and took of.
>>>>>>>>> When home later on an other flight I called the newspaper, reported the
>>>>>>>>> incident, and they then did an article about airplane
>>>>>>>>> maintenance.
>>>>>>>>> I was sitting all the way in the front when I heard the hammer (alarm
>>>>>>>>> bells) come on...
>>>>>>>>> was just reading about Bill and Monica... those days.
>>>>>>>>> But I am still flying :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was it a low cost budget airline perhaps? I remember on several
>>>>>>>> occasions when flying ryanair, that the crew was so stressed they didn't
>>>>>>>> have any security demonstrations, and once I remember they let a parent
>>>>>>>> just sit with her infant in her arms without any seatbelt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would not seem implausible that similar stress also makes pilots skip
>>>>>>>> their security controls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really do not remember that,. booked it and the return flight through a
>>>>>>> local travel agency.
>>>>>>> Had to get a taxi when back, late at night, no public transport at that
>>>>>>> time to where I lived,
>>>>>>> got the money for the taxi back from the traval agency.
>>>>>>> Next few times from here (Netherlands) to the UK I took a boat (where I
>>>>>>> would often fly),
>>>>>>> did not even make much difference in time,
>>>>>>> more freedom, you can walk around, stay on deck if you want, or even get
>>>>>>> a cabin.
>>>>>>> But I do think I will look for a non-Boeing flight next time.
>>>>>>> What comes back in my memory is that just after he became precedent (or
>>>>>>> was it President ;-0)
>>>>>>> trump was at Boeing telling how great it was.
>>>>>>> Is there a correlation? 2019:
>>>>>>>   https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1QT2MQ/
>>>>>>> Trump does not care about anything, that attitude sort of spreads...
>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/06/business/boeing-airbus-world-trade-organization.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the story.  It is not political and your time frame is off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downfall:_The_Case_Against_Boeing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a simple matter of management putting profits over quality. A fault
>>>>>> of many corporations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a two day visit to Boeing facilities and labs decades ago and was
>>>>>> impressed with their attention to detail even endurance tests on aircraft
>>>>>> in long time service.  Sadly this has changed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a failure of the American-style unfettered capitalist system.
>>>>
>>>> The government requiring that businesses hire unqualified niggers
>>>> and women is NOT unfettered capitalism.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Wipe yer ass with that white hood and throw
>>>    it in the garbage
>>
>> He's on your side, Nazi. *He* says "woke" and "wokie," too, the same as you.
>> He's telling you to launder *your* white hood, put it on and wear it proudly
>> like your fellow KKK.
>
>
>   Go yip yip yipping back to

Concession of defeat by Nazi noted.

On 3/19/24 8:08 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (18 Mar 2024 18:01:38 GMT) it happened rbowman
> <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <l5rds2Fmsb0U4@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 05:45:54 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>
>>> I have no problem here with warming, close to a beach,
>>> will attract tourists and increase property prices...
>>> In the far away future it may get too warm sea water will rise and
>>> everything at some point will be flooded..
>>> We will all have to move north to Russia...
>>
>> Seas rise, seas fall.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland
>
> Thank you, very nice, those maps, saved Doggerland3er_en.png
> Made the crossing Netherlands to UK and back by ferry many times.

Yep - Europe/UK all ONE piece of land ... and almost
up until written history. Pity nobody figured-out
writing earlier. "Doggerland" was the final remnant.

Maybe they did figure out writing, but how many of
those possible old recs are now 100' below sea-level ?

Sea level IS going to keep increasing. The Greenies
are freaking at the thought WE are significantly
speeding that up, faster than is easy to cope with.
Alas there are a LOT of factors that go into global
warming - and SUVs/CO2 are only one. Even slight
variations in volcanic dust/sulfates can catalyze
significant trends.

We DO have to figure out - quickly - what to do
about accelerated sea-level rise. Sorry, banning
SUVs and such ain't gonna put a dent in it.

Coastal cities will have to be "built back" from
the sea - ie no new building permits near the
current coasts no matter the cost of the real
estate involved. I'd suggest current +2 meters
as the new legal 'beachfront' mark. 'Current',
of course, changes over time.

Modern structures aren't built to last anyhow.
Concrete/steel construction begins to disintegrate
in about 50 years, even faster near salt water -
see the Miami condo collapse. And Soviet concrete -
yuk !!! Find that weird flying-saucer building in
Bulgaria ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzludzha_monument

SO, you build 'em, use 'em, then demolish forever.
Really OLD coastal stuff, tough shit Charlie ....
hey, you didn't even know the world was round.

The Netherlands had better come up with a
SERIOUSLY new plan ... either buy parts of
Belgium and Germany or go with the Atlantis
paradigm (which would be cool). Venice ...
glug, glug, glug ... better MOVE all that
arty stuff pronto. Hey, they disassembled
a giant monument to Pharaoh Ramses-II and
moved it, so it CAN be done .....

On 3/27/24 11:37 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 00:32:23 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
>
>> On 3/26/24 2:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:26:55 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> But surely you cannot have ended up at swedish levels of 65%? I
>>>> thought that was more or less impossible in the us?
>>>
>>> No, it's not that bad. Yet. otoh, we don't get much for our money.
>>
>> The "all for one, one for all" thing only goes just SO far :-)
>
> Not very far at all today. I believe that sort of social cohesion requires
> a situation where half the population doesn't want to see the other half
> sharing an ice floe with a hungry polar bear.

Social cohesion/identity ... in most 'western' nations ...
is at a fatal low IMHO. Too many have gone sociopathic
and/or imagine that life will go on fine regardless.

As such, I see this as the END. "Western civ" - it's
history/ideals/philosophies/visions - have reached
a terminal phase. 2500 years - the Giant Flushing
Sound. I do not LIKE it, but this is what I'm
seeing now. All accomplished in the past 50/60
years apparently. Wow.

Back to the 9th century. Start over. No results
but pain assured.

On a sunny day (Thu, 4 Apr 2024 02:40:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<v6KdnYHRPovl1pP7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:

>On 3/27/24 11:37 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 00:32:23 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/26/24 2:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:26:55 +0100, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But surely you cannot have ended up at swedish levels of 65%? I
>>>>> thought that was more or less impossible in the us?
>>>>
>>>> No, it's not that bad. Yet. otoh, we don't get much for our money.
>>>
>>> The "all for one, one for all" thing only goes just SO far :-)
>>
>> Not very far at all today. I believe that sort of social cohesion requires
>> a situation where half the population doesn't want to see the other half
>> sharing an ice floe with a hungry polar bear.
>
> Social cohesion/identity ... in most 'western' nations ...
> is at a fatal low IMHO. Too many have gone sociopathic
> and/or imagine that life will go on fine regardless.
>
> As such, I see this as the END. "Western civ" - it's
> history/ideals/philosophies/visions - have reached
> a terminal phase. 2500 years - the Giant Flushing
> Sound. I do not LIKE it, but this is what I'm
> seeing now. All accomplished in the past 50/60
> years apparently. Wow.
>
> Back to the 9th century. Start over. No results

> but pain assured.

Yep, all green protesters wanting to kill all industry
many of those do not even know how to connect a light bulb
or wonder why they are there alive and well BECAUSE of industry..
Those will likely wind up in grass huts when climate changes a bit more
(climate changes because of Milankovich cycles and variations in the sun's emission)
not much because of us producing CO2
Brainwashed by Al Gore and his polar bears jive.
But new crap must be sold..
Until nobody of the new generation knows how to make a power plant..

Strange, here they are insulating houses

I asked : why insulate when it get ever warmer?
Why not put an airco in it, older people die of over-heating!
No clear answer.
If we do not arm ourselves with technology we will NOT as species be able to live where we do now
Mass migration is already happening, but few places will remain habitable.
Many will die, what will be left of the species?
(poly-tics is in the reply too).

67hx.1803 <67hx.1802@g4t5x.net> wrote:

> The escalating number of Boeing incidents might also
> suggest a campaign of deliberate sabotage

That campaign is called DEI:

<https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1885458/boeing-insider-failing-company-plane-faults>

> The insider also took aim the Boeing's diversity, equity, and inclusion
> (DEI) policies, going so far as to say they have made the company "anti-excellence."