<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>

"Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled and police can shut down businesses and construction sites under wide-ranging new powers. "

Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote

>
> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>

> "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled

And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his circumstances.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698

> and police can shut down businesses and construction
> sites under wide-ranging new powers. "

But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are fine.

On 7/28/21 11:14 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>
>
> "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled and police can shut down businesses and construction sites under wide-ranging new powers."
>
>

Even though I'm thousands of miles away, I feel safer already!

On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:26:49 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
> >
> > <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>
>
> > "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled
> And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his circumstances.
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698
> > and police can shut down businesses and construction
> > sites under wide-ranging new powers. "
> But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are fine.

The odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are so small now. Are all these restrictions doing more harm than good? The rules were arbitrary from the start. Our governments could've just said this is what we know, we suggest
citizens do such and such. A bureaucrat sitting in a city office has no idea what's happening in small town Montana.
Some figures about how dangerous Covid is now.
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/27/vaccinated-americans-are-more-likely-die-lightning-strike-than-covid-dont-bring-back-restrictions/>

On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 8:08:09 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:26:49 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
> > Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
> > >
> > > <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>
> >
> > > "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled
> > And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his circumstances.
> > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698
> > > and police can shut down businesses and construction
> > > sites under wide-ranging new powers. "
> > But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are fine.
> The odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are so small now. Are all these restrictions doing more harm than good? The rules were arbitrary from the start. Our governments could've just said this is what we know, we suggest
> citizens do such and such. A bureaucrat sitting in a city office has no idea what's happening in small town Montana.

Don't counties in Montana report to the state health authorities? I can
see what the COVID infection rates are anywhere in Michigan. Only about
10 (staunchly Republican) counties in Michigan have worrisome infection
rates.

Ah, here we are:
<https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map/montana>

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 8:08:09 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:26:49 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
> > Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
> > >
> > > <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>
> >
> > > "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled
> > And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his circumstances.
> > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698
> > > and police can shut down businesses and construction
> > > sites under wide-ranging new powers. "
> > But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are fine.
> The odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are so small now. Are all these restrictions doing more harm than good?

Depends on what you consider small. With the original Covid variants, the vaccines were
only shown to be about 95% effective in preventing symptomatic infection. We learned
later that more than 5% are getting infected without symptoms. And with Delta the
numbers have gotten worse. With case numbers surging again, back up to the levels
of January in some states, the odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are not
what I would call small.

The rules were arbitrary from the start. Our governments could've just said this is what we know, we suggest
> citizens do such and such.

And given the resistance, the refusals by a large portion of the population, that would
not have been nearly as effective.

>A bureaucrat sitting in a city office has no idea what's happening in small town Montana.

??? Surely the city office in that town knows, the governor knows what
is happening in small towns in their state.

> Some figures about how dangerous Covid is now.
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/27/vaccinated-americans-are-more-likely-die-lightning-strike-than-covid-dont-bring-back-restrictions/>

That's the good news. But protection from dying from Covid is different from
not getting infected.

On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 06:42:30 -0700 (PDT), "angelica...@yahoo.com"
<angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 8:08:09 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:26:49 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
>> > Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > >
>> > > <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>
>> >
>> > > "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled
>> > And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his circumstances.
>> > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698
>> > > and police can shut down businesses and construction
>> > > sites under wide-ranging new powers. "
>> > But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are fine.
>> The odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are so small now. Are all these restrictions doing more harm than good? The rules were arbitrary from the start. Our governments could've just said this is what we know, we suggest
>> citizens do such and such. A bureaucrat sitting in a city office has no idea what's happening in small town Montana.
>
>Don't counties in Montana report to the state health authorities? I can
>see what the COVID infection rates are anywhere in Michigan. Only about
>10 (staunchly Republican) counties in Michigan have worrisome infection
>rates.
>Ah, here we are:
><https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map/montana>
>Cindy Hamilton

That's a nice resource - county-by-county ..
Our Provincial data and County data require a bit more
drilling-into and study / interpretation.

I totalled the Montana County daily averages = 101 ;
Montana population 1 million.
Ontario population almost 15 million is running ~ 160 per day.
I like to see the graphs for "trends" also :

https://tinyurl.com/xv7wc5uy

< hope the link works >
John T.

>>
>>Don't counties in Montana report to the state health authorities? I can
>>see what the COVID infection rates are anywhere in Michigan. Only about
>>10 (staunchly Republican) counties in Michigan have worrisome infection
>>rates.
>>Ah, here we are:
>><https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map/montana>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>
>That's a nice resource - county-by-county ..
>Our Provincial data and County data require a bit more
>drilling-into and study / interpretation.
>
>I totalled the Montana County daily averages = 101 ;
> Montana population 1 million.
>Ontario population almost 15 million is running ~ 160 per day.
> I like to see the graphs for "trends" also :
>https://tinyurl.com/xv7wc5uy
>< hope the link works >
> John T.

.. can't link directly to the "Time Trends" data page -
and then expand the default time frame .. duh.
John T.

On 07/29/2021 06:08 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:26:49 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>
>>
>>> "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled
>> And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his circumstances.
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698
>>> and police can shut down businesses and construction
>>> sites under wide-ranging new powers. "
>> But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are fine.
>
> The odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are so small now. Are all these restrictions doing more harm than good? The rules were arbitrary from the start. Our governments could've just said this is what we know, we suggest
> citizens do such and such. A bureaucrat sitting in a city office has no idea what's happening in small town Montana.
> Some figures about how dangerous Covid is now.
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/27/vaccinated-americans-are-more-likely-die-lightning-strike-than-covid-dont-bring-back-restrictions/>
>

A bureaucrat from this small town in Montana sitting on the county
health board mandated masks early in the game. Other counties did not.
It's worth mentioning it's also one of the few towns that voted for
Clinton, Biden, or whatever other yellow dog is running.

On 07/29/2021 07:42 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 8:08:09 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:26:49 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>
>>>
>>>> "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled
>>> And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his circumstances.
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698
>>>> and police can shut down businesses and construction
>>>> sites under wide-ranging new powers. "
>>> But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are fine.
>> The odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are so small now. Are all these restrictions doing more harm than good? The rules were arbitrary from the start. Our governments could've just said this is what we know, we suggest
>> citizens do such and such. A bureaucrat sitting in a city office has no idea what's happening in small town Montana.
>
> Don't counties in Montana report to the state health authorities? I can
> see what the COVID infection rates are anywhere in Michigan. Only about
> 10 (staunchly Republican) counties in Michigan have worrisome infection
> rates.
>
> Ah, here we are:
> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map/montana>

Actually the counties were marching to their own drummers. The
Democratic governor ordered a state wide mandate in July 2020. We fired
him in November and the mandate was lifted in February.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/montana/articles/2021-02-12/montana-governor-lifts-statewide-mask-mandate

We fired most of the Democrats; in 2022 we'll probably get rid of the US
Senator with a D after his name.

Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote

>>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>

>>> "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled

>> And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his
>> circumstances.
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698

>>> and police can shut down businesses and construction
>>> sites under wide-ranging new powers. "

>> But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are fine.

> The odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are so small now.

They aren't that small, 250 new ones a day with well over 50
having already spread the infection by the time they have
been identified isn't small. And that's with the heavy restrictions.
It would be a lot higher with no restrictions at all and would
have seen a lot more than the current 12 killed by the virus.

> Are all these restrictions doing more harm than good?

Only if you don’t care about those who are killed
and the something like 30% who end up with very
severe health downsides from long covid.

> The rules were arbitrary from the start.

But vastly better than nothing. That’s the reason Australia
and New Zealand have ended up with a vastly better result
than the USA and UK, let alone India and Indonesia.

And Australia and New Zealand haven't even ended up
with a worse GDP result than the USA and the UK either.

We have certainly ended up with a worse result for some
of those who were out of the country when the restrictions
on even citizens returning were introduced, but there will
always be some real downsides with any pandemic. We
did the same thing the spanish flu too, quite a few of the
troops returning from europe weren't allowed to land
and had to stay on the ships at sea until it was clear that
no one on the ship was infected.

> Our governments could've just said this is what
> we know, we suggest citizens do such and such.

And fools like fretwell would have done nothing different at all.

> A bureaucrat sitting in a city office has no idea
> what's happening in small town Montana.

That’s bullshit. And it isn't the small town Montana that
matters anyway, it’s the big citys. We have quite different
restrictions that apply in small towns outside Greater
Sydney that includes Wollongong and Newcastle than
apply in Greater Sydney. Basically just masks indoors in
shops etc and sign in at the door electronically so you
can be notified if it later turns out that an infected
person had been there so you can isolate etc. Really
just a minor nuisance at most.

> Some figures about how dangerous Covid is now.
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/27/vaccinated-americans-are-more-likely-die-lightning-strike-than-covid-dont-bring-back-restrictions/>

It isn't just death that matters, something like 30% who get infected
end up with long term very bad health downsides with long covid.

Makes sense to have restrictions until the vast majority of the
population have been vaccinated with vaccines which have
been shown to work against the current rampant strains.

On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 2:04:00 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>
>
> >>> "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled
>
> >> And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his
> >> circumstances.
> >> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698
>
> >>> and police can shut down businesses and construction
> >>> sites under wide-ranging new powers. "
>
> >> But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are fine.
>
> > The odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are so small now.
> They aren't that small, 250 new ones a day with well over 50
> having already spread the infection by the time they have
> been identified isn't small. And that's with the heavy restrictions.
> It would be a lot higher with no restrictions at all and would
> have seen a lot more than the current 12 killed by the virus.
> > Are all these restrictions doing more harm than good?
> Only if you don’t care about those who are killed
> and the something like 30% who end up with very
> severe health downsides from long covid.
> > The rules were arbitrary from the start.
> But vastly better than nothing. That’s the reason Australia
> and New Zealand have ended up with a vastly better result
> than the USA and UK, let alone India and Indonesia.
>
> And Australia and New Zealand haven't even ended up
> with a worse GDP result than the USA and the UK either.
>
> We have certainly ended up with a worse result for some
> of those who were out of the country when the restrictions
> on even citizens returning were introduced, but there will
> always be some real downsides with any pandemic. We
> did the same thing the spanish flu too, quite a few of the
> troops returning from europe weren't allowed to land
> and had to stay on the ships at sea until it was clear that
> no one on the ship was infected.
> > Our governments could've just said this is what
> > we know, we suggest citizens do such and such.
> And fools like fretwell would have done nothing different at all.
> > A bureaucrat sitting in a city office has no idea
> > what's happening in small town Montana.
> That’s bullshit. And it isn't the small town Montana that
> matters anyway, it’s the big citys. We have quite different
> restrictions that apply in small towns outside Greater
> Sydney that includes Wollongong and Newcastle than
> apply in Greater Sydney. Basically just masks indoors in
> shops etc and sign in at the door electronically so you
> can be notified if it later turns out that an infected
> person had been there so you can isolate etc. Really
> just a minor nuisance at most.
> > Some figures about how dangerous Covid is now.
> > <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/27/vaccinated-americans-are-more-likely-die-lightning-strike-than-covid-dont-bring-back-restrictions/>
> It isn't just death that matters, something like 30% who get infected
> end up with long term very bad health downsides with long covid.
>
> Makes sense to have restrictions until the vast majority of the
> population have been vaccinated with vaccines which have
> been shown to work against the current rampant strains.

Wowsers. They're actually having the military involved in this.
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9846939/Soldiers-sent-enforce-lockdown-Sydney.html>

Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>

>>>>> "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled

>>>> And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his
>>>> circumstances.
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698

>>>>> and police can shut down businesses and construction
>>>>> sites under wide-ranging new powers. "

>>>> But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are
>>>> fine.

>>> The odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are so small now.

>> They aren't that small, 250 new ones a day with well over 50
>> having already spread the infection by the time they have
>> been identified isn't small. And that's with the heavy restrictions.
>> It would be a lot higher with no restrictions at all and would
>> have seen a lot more than the current 12 killed by the virus.

>>> Are all these restrictions doing more harm than good?

>> Only if you don’t care about those who are killed
>> and the something like 30% who end up with very
>> severe health downsides from long covid.

>>> The rules were arbitrary from the start.

>> But vastly better than nothing. That’s the reason Australia
>> and New Zealand have ended up with a vastly better result
>> than the USA and UK, let alone India and Indonesia.

>> And Australia and New Zealand haven't even ended up
>> with a worse GDP result than the USA and the UK either.

>> We have certainly ended up with a worse result for some
>> of those who were out of the country when the restrictions
>> on even citizens returning were introduced, but there will
>> always be some real downsides with any pandemic. We
>> did the same thing the spanish flu too, quite a few of the
>> troops returning from europe weren't allowed to land
>> and had to stay on the ships at sea until it was clear that
>> no one on the ship was infected.

>>> Our governments could've just said this is what
>>> we know, we suggest citizens do such and such.

>> And fools like fretwell would have done nothing different at all.

>>> A bureaucrat sitting in a city office has no idea
>>> what's happening in small town Montana.

>> That’s bullshit. And it isn't the small town Montana that
>> matters anyway, it’s the big citys. We have quite different
>> restrictions that apply in small towns outside Greater
>> Sydney that includes Wollongong and Newcastle than
>> apply in Greater Sydney. Basically just masks indoors in
>> shops etc and sign in at the door electronically so you
>> can be notified if it later turns out that an infected
>> person had been there so you can isolate etc. Really
>> just a minor nuisance at most.

>>> Some figures about how dangerous Covid is now.
>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/27/vaccinated-americans-are-more-likely-die-lightning-strike-than-covid-dont-bring-back-restrictions/>

>> It isn't just death that matters, something like 30% who get infected
>> end up with long term very bad health downsides with long covid.

>> Makes sense to have restrictions until the vast majority of the
>> population have been vaccinated with vaccines which have
>> been shown to work against the current rampant strains.

> Wowsers.

Nope, fewer restrictions than there should have been.
If that had been done early on, there wouldn’t need to
be restrictions now.

> They're actually having the military involved in this.

And we did with internal state border crossings too previously.

And that’s why we got a vastly better result with the virus than you lot
did.

> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9846939/Soldiers-sent-enforce-lockdown-Sydney.html>

On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman posted for all of us to
digest...

>
> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 2:04:00 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
> > Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
> > > Rod Speed wrote
> > >> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
> >
> > >>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>
> >
> > >>> "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled
> >
> > >> And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his
> > >> circumstances.
> > >> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698
> >
> > >>> and police can shut down businesses and construction
> > >>> sites under wide-ranging new powers. "
> >
> > >> But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are fine.
> >
> > > The odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are so small now.
> > They aren't that small, 250 new ones a day with well over 50
> > having already spread the infection by the time they have
> > been identified isn't small. And that's with the heavy restrictions.
> > It would be a lot higher with no restrictions at all and would
> > have seen a lot more than the current 12 killed by the virus.
> > > Are all these restrictions doing more harm than good?
> > Only if you don?t care about those who are killed
> > and the something like 30% who end up with very
> > severe health downsides from long covid.
> > > The rules were arbitrary from the start.
> > But vastly better than nothing. That?s the reason Australia
> > and New Zealand have ended up with a vastly better result
> > than the USA and UK, let alone India and Indonesia.
> >
> > And Australia and New Zealand haven't even ended up
> > with a worse GDP result than the USA and the UK either.
> >
> > We have certainly ended up with a worse result for some
> > of those who were out of the country when the restrictions
> > on even citizens returning were introduced, but there will
> > always be some real downsides with any pandemic. We
> > did the same thing the spanish flu too, quite a few of the
> > troops returning from europe weren't allowed to land
> > and had to stay on the ships at sea until it was clear that
> > no one on the ship was infected.
> > > Our governments could've just said this is what
> > > we know, we suggest citizens do such and such.
> > And fools like fretwell would have done nothing different at all.
> > > A bureaucrat sitting in a city office has no idea
> > > what's happening in small town Montana.
> > That?s bullshit. And it isn't the small town Montana that
> > matters anyway, it?s the big citys. We have quite different
> > restrictions that apply in small towns outside Greater
> > Sydney that includes Wollongong and Newcastle than
> > apply in Greater Sydney. Basically just masks indoors in
> > shops etc and sign in at the door electronically so you
> > can be notified if it later turns out that an infected
> > person had been there so you can isolate etc. Really
> > just a minor nuisance at most.
> > > Some figures about how dangerous Covid is now.
> > > <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/27/vaccinated-americans-are-more-likely-die-lightning-strike-than-covid-dont-bring-back-restrictions/>
> > It isn't just death that matters, something like 30% who get infected
> > end up with long term very bad health downsides with long covid.
> >
> > Makes sense to have restrictions until the vast majority of the
> > population have been vaccinated with vaccines which have
> > been shown to work against the current rampant strains.
>
> Wowsers. They're actually having the military involved in this.
> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9846939/Soldiers-sent-enforce-lockdown-Sydney.html>

That's what happens when the politicians seize power...

--
Tekkie

On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 3:06:12 PM UTC-5, Tek...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman posted for all of us to
> digest...
> >
> > On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 2:04:00 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
> > > Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
> > > > Rod Speed wrote
> > > >> Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote
> > >
> > > >>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9837589/Fines-breaching-Sydneys-lockdown-doubled.html>
> > >
> > > >>> "Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled
> > >
> > > >> And one fool literally copped a $10K fine for lying about his
> > > >> circumstances.
> > > >> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-george-thompson-fined-border-breach/100325698
> > >
> > > >>> and police can shut down businesses and construction
> > > >>> sites under wide-ranging new powers. "
> > >
> > > >> But construction sites with nothing but the construction people are fine.
> > >
> > > > The odds of a vaccinated person getting Covid are so small now.
> > > They aren't that small, 250 new ones a day with well over 50
> > > having already spread the infection by the time they have
> > > been identified isn't small. And that's with the heavy restrictions.
> > > It would be a lot higher with no restrictions at all and would
> > > have seen a lot more than the current 12 killed by the virus.
> > > > Are all these restrictions doing more harm than good?
> > > Only if you don?t care about those who are killed
> > > and the something like 30% who end up with very
> > > severe health downsides from long covid.
> > > > The rules were arbitrary from the start.
> > > But vastly better than nothing. That?s the reason Australia
> > > and New Zealand have ended up with a vastly better result
> > > than the USA and UK, let alone India and Indonesia.
> > >
> > > And Australia and New Zealand haven't even ended up
> > > with a worse GDP result than the USA and the UK either.
> > >
> > > We have certainly ended up with a worse result for some
> > > of those who were out of the country when the restrictions
> > > on even citizens returning were introduced, but there will
> > > always be some real downsides with any pandemic. We
> > > did the same thing the spanish flu too, quite a few of the
> > > troops returning from europe weren't allowed to land
> > > and had to stay on the ships at sea until it was clear that
> > > no one on the ship was infected.
> > > > Our governments could've just said this is what
> > > > we know, we suggest citizens do such and such.
> > > And fools like fretwell would have done nothing different at all.
> > > > A bureaucrat sitting in a city office has no idea
> > > > what's happening in small town Montana.
> > > That?s bullshit. And it isn't the small town Montana that
> > > matters anyway, it?s the big citys. We have quite different
> > > restrictions that apply in small towns outside Greater
> > > Sydney that includes Wollongong and Newcastle than
> > > apply in Greater Sydney. Basically just masks indoors in
> > > shops etc and sign in at the door electronically so you
> > > can be notified if it later turns out that an infected
> > > person had been there so you can isolate etc. Really
> > > just a minor nuisance at most.
> > > > Some figures about how dangerous Covid is now.
> > > > <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/27/vaccinated-americans-are-more-likely-die-lightning-strike-than-covid-dont-bring-back-restrictions/>
> > > It isn't just death that matters, something like 30% who get infected
> > > end up with long term very bad health downsides with long covid.
> > >
> > > Makes sense to have restrictions until the vast majority of the
> > > population have been vaccinated with vaccines which have
> > > been shown to work against the current rampant strains.
> >
> > Wowsers. They're actually having the military involved in this.
> > <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9846939/Soldiers-sent-enforce-lockdown-Sydney.html>
> That's what happens when the politicians seize power...
>
> --
> Tekkie

There are hundreds of quotes about tyranny. I like this one from C.S. Lewis
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”