"During a meeting with the Russian Security Council, Putin said that the proximity of the violence in Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip to Russia "directly affects" his country's agenda on security.

"I would like to ask my colleagues to comment on the current situation in the Middle East, I mean the escalated Palestinian-Israeli conflict. This is happening in the immediate vicinity of our borders and directly affects our security interests," Putin is quoted saying by the Turkish state-run news agency Anadolu Agency.
....
A week of back-and-forth attacks has left more than 120 Palestinians killed—including 31 children and 20 women, according to the Associated Press. An additional 900 have been injured. Seven people have been killed in Israel, including a 6-year-old boy and a soldier, the AP said.

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Larov pushed for an international effort to diffuse the conflict, calling for a "quartet" to meet on the situation.

"I think we came to a common conclusion that the most urgent task is calling a meeting of the quartet of international mediators: Russia, the United States, the U.N. and the European Union," Larov said at a joint briefing with U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres, adding that Guterres should act as the coordinator of the meeting.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Vershinin has called on Israel to "immediately" stop all settlement activities in the Palestinian territories, according to Russian state-owned news agency RIA Novosti.

Vershinin said Moscow wants the "status quo of Jerusalem's sacred sites" to be respected as Palestinian protesters and Israeli police clash on a daily basis in the city."

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 8:14:03 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> "During a meeting with the Russian Security Council, Putin said that the proximity of the violence in Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip to Russia "directly affects" his country's agenda on security.
>
> "I would like to ask my colleagues to comment on the current situation in the Middle East, I mean the escalated Palestinian-Israeli conflict. This is happening in the immediate vicinity of our borders and directly affects our security interests," Putin is quoted saying by the Turkish state-run news agency Anadolu Agency.
> ...
> A week of back-and-forth attacks has left more than 120 Palestinians killed—including 31 children and 20 women, according to the Associated Press. An additional 900 have been injured. Seven people have been killed in Israel, including a 6-year-old boy and a soldier, the AP said.
>
> On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Larov pushed for an international effort to diffuse the conflict, calling for a "quartet" to meet on the situation.
>
> "I think we came to a common conclusion that the most urgent task is calling a meeting of the quartet of international mediators: Russia, the United States, the U.N. and the European Union," Larov said at a joint briefing with U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres, adding that Guterres should act as the coordinator of the meeting.
>
> Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Vershinin has called on Israel to "immediately" stop all settlement activities in the Palestinian territories, according to Russian state-owned news agency RIA Novosti.
>
> Vershinin said Moscow wants the "status quo of Jerusalem's sacred sites" to be respected as Palestinian protesters and Israeli police clash on a daily basis in the city."

The shortest distance between Russia and Israel is about 750 miles (1200 km).

"ltlee1" wrote in message
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>
> The shortest distance between Russia and Israel is about 750 miles (1200
> km).

It's 1,644 miles between Tel Aviv and the Kremlin:
https://tinyurl.com/d4k5usmw, well within the range of Jericho missiles...

"Russia" is bigger than just Moscow.

Israeli missiles could indeed hit Moscow, but
that's not the real threat. The problem is akin
to "Balkanization". Russia has a lot of interests,
a lot of alliances. A wider mid-eastern war
could drag in Russia.

The worst problem is Iran. It is a major instigator
and funder of anti-Israeli activities - yet for a number
of reasons Russia is pretty much stuck with Iran
as a "friend".

Russia doesn't give a shit about Israel per-se, just
a minor burr under the saddle, but its "friends" DO.

So yes, Putin is correct - the current conflict IS a
direct threat to Russian security.

To Putin's advantage, the USA is currently ruled by
a spineless senile idiot who is hostage to his brain-
dead neo-communist buddies. That almost takes
the USA out of the equation. Iran WILL take advantage
and will drag Russia in its wake. Russia itself (and
China) will find some ways to take advantage as well.

AOC/Omar - idiots infused with mind-killing ideologies -
are helping things along. Their extreme, genocidal,
anti-Zionism is worthy of the NAZIs. They have a lot
of influence and will confuse/corrupt US responses
to Russian, and other, threats.

On 18/05/21 3:43 pm, MSB wrote:
> "Russia" is bigger than just Moscow.
>
> Israeli missiles could indeed hit Moscow, but
> that's not the real threat. The problem is akin
> to "Balkanization". Russia has a lot of interests,
> a lot of alliances. A wider mid-eastern war
> could drag in Russia.
>
> The worst problem is Iran. It is a major instigator
> and funder of anti-Israeli activities - yet for a number
> of reasons Russia is pretty much stuck with Iran
> as a "friend".
>
> Russia doesn't give a shit about Israel per-se, just
> a minor burr under the saddle, but its "friends" DO.
>
> So yes, Putin is correct - the current conflict IS a
> direct threat to Russian security.
>
> To Putin's advantage, the USA is currently ruled by
> a spineless senile idiot who is hostage to his brain-
> dead neo-communist buddies. That almost takes
> the USA out of the equation. Iran WILL take advantage
> and will drag Russia in its wake. Russia itself (and
> China) will find some ways to take advantage as well.
>
> AOC/Omar - idiots infused with mind-killing ideologies -
> are helping things along. Their extreme, genocidal,
> anti-Zionism is worthy of the NAZIs. They have a lot
> of influence and will confuse/corrupt US responses
> to Russian, and other, threats.
>

Putin wants to continue his dictatorial reign he'd best rein in his
Middle East buddies

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:59:18 PM UTC-4, George Black wrote:
> On 18/05/21 3:43 pm, MSB wrote:
> > "Russia" is bigger than just Moscow.
> >
> > Israeli missiles could indeed hit Moscow, but
> > that's not the real threat. The problem is akin
> > to "Balkanization". Russia has a lot of interests,
> > a lot of alliances. A wider mid-eastern war
> > could drag in Russia.
> >
> > The worst problem is Iran. It is a major instigator
> > and funder of anti-Israeli activities - yet for a number
> > of reasons Russia is pretty much stuck with Iran
> > as a "friend".
> >
> > Russia doesn't give a shit about Israel per-se, just
> > a minor burr under the saddle, but its "friends" DO.
> >
> > So yes, Putin is correct - the current conflict IS a
> > direct threat to Russian security.
> >
> > To Putin's advantage, the USA is currently ruled by
> > a spineless senile idiot who is hostage to his brain-
> > dead neo-communist buddies. That almost takes
> > the USA out of the equation. Iran WILL take advantage
> > and will drag Russia in its wake. Russia itself (and
> > China) will find some ways to take advantage as well.
> >
> > AOC/Omar - idiots infused with mind-killing ideologies -
> > are helping things along. Their extreme, genocidal,
> > anti-Zionism is worthy of the NAZIs. They have a lot
> > of influence and will confuse/corrupt US responses
> > to Russian, and other, threats.
> >
> Putin wants to continue his dictatorial reign he'd best rein in his
> Middle East buddies

Just curious.
Given US media does not mention about the State of Palestine as an independent country.
Do Americans know that the State of Palestine is an independent nation?
But most countries of the world do formally recognize an independent State of Palestine.
The following map shows the countries, including all European powers, recognize the State of Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine#/media/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 5:14:44 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:59:18 PM UTC-4, George Black wrote:
> > On 18/05/21 3:43 pm, MSB wrote:
> > > "Russia" is bigger than just Moscow.
> > >
> > > Israeli missiles could indeed hit Moscow, but
> > > that's not the real threat. The problem is akin
> > > to "Balkanization". Russia has a lot of interests,
> > > a lot of alliances. A wider mid-eastern war
> > > could drag in Russia.
> > >
> > > The worst problem is Iran. It is a major instigator
> > > and funder of anti-Israeli activities - yet for a number
> > > of reasons Russia is pretty much stuck with Iran
> > > as a "friend".
> > >
> > > Russia doesn't give a shit about Israel per-se, just
> > > a minor burr under the saddle, but its "friends" DO.
> > >
> > > So yes, Putin is correct - the current conflict IS a
> > > direct threat to Russian security.
> > >
> > > To Putin's advantage, the USA is currently ruled by
> > > a spineless senile idiot who is hostage to his brain-
> > > dead neo-communist buddies. That almost takes
> > > the USA out of the equation. Iran WILL take advantage
> > > and will drag Russia in its wake. Russia itself (and
> > > China) will find some ways to take advantage as well.
> > >
> > > AOC/Omar - idiots infused with mind-killing ideologies -
> > > are helping things along. Their extreme, genocidal,
> > > anti-Zionism is worthy of the NAZIs. They have a lot
> > > of influence and will confuse/corrupt US responses
> > > to Russian, and other, threats.
> > >
> > Putin wants to continue his dictatorial reign he'd best rein in his
> > Middle East buddies
> Just curious.
> Given US media does not mention about the State of Palestine as an independent country.
> Do Americans know that the State of Palestine is an independent nation?
>
> But most countries of the world do formally recognize an independent State of Palestine.
> The following map shows the countries, including all European powers, recognize the State of Palestine.

Correction: All Western European powers DO NOT recognize the State of Palestine.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine#/media/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg

"George Black" wrote in message
news:YJidndq65ccTgTn9nZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> Putin wants to continue his dictatorial reign he'd best rein in his Middle
> East buddies

He won't dare do that. He needs foreign satraps to buy all of Russia's
military gear...

"ltlee1" wrote in message
news:5080a459-1365-4c63-9bde-71f3a7639ac9n@googlegroups.com...
>
> Just curious.
> Given US media does not mention about the State of Palestine as an
> independent country.
> Do Americans know that the State of Palestine is an independent nation?

"Palestine" NEVER WAS an independent nation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJb7QQ9U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76NytvQAIs0

> But most countries of the world do formally recognize an independent State
> of Palestine.

And the majority are turd-world backwaters.

> The following map shows the countries, including all European powers,
> recognize the State of Palestine.

Fuck the Euros. The next time they start a World War, they'll be abandoned
to their fate...

On Tue, 18 May 2021 17:06:14 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

>"ltlee1" wrote in message
>news:5080a459-1365-4c63-9bde-71f3a7639ac9n@googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Just curious.
>> Given US media does not mention about the State of Palestine as an
>> independent country.
>> Do Americans know that the State of Palestine is an independent nation?
>
>"Palestine" NEVER WAS an independent nation

Not ENTIRELY relevant. "Amish Country" is not any
official state or nation - but we give them slack and
do not persecute the residents.

Of course the Amish are not on any genocidal
campaign to exerminate "The English" ... it is
not quite such a peaceful co-existence between
Jews and "Palestinians" - and we're talking
almost TWO THOUSAND years. The locals
were happy when the Jews were downtrodden -
politically, militarily, inferior. Not a single tear
at the news of Hitlers activities.

Of course the Jews were just as hard-hearted ...

So, no love lost since forever.

This is NOT going to end. It will be tit for tat for
at least another century - and will end with a
functional genocide (can't say who gets it).

Only some extreme outside force will change
this course of events. Maybe the flying-saucer
people ? Looks like govts ARE now admitting
they exist, but still claim no knowledge of their
origins or intent. However this recent sudden
shift in The Story suggests something's afoot,
imminent ...........

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:40:33 PM UTC-4, MSB wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2021 17:06:14 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
>
> >"ltlee1" wrote in message
> >news:5080a459-1365-4c63...@googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> Just curious.
> >> Given US media does not mention about the State of Palestine as an
> >> independent country.
> >> Do Americans know that the State of Palestine is an independent nation?
> >
> >"Palestine" NEVER WAS an independent nation
> Not ENTIRELY relevant. "Amish Country" is not any
> official state or nation - but we give them slack and
> do not persecute the residents.
>
> Of course the Amish are not on any genocidal
> campaign to exerminate "The English" ... it is
> not quite such a peaceful co-existence between
> Jews and "Palestinians" - and we're talking
> almost TWO THOUSAND years. The locals
> were happy when the Jews were downtrodden -
> politically, militarily, inferior. Not a single tear
> at the news of Hitlers activities.
>
> Of course the Jews were just as hard-hearted ...
>
> So, no love lost since forever.
>
> This is NOT going to end. It will be tit for tat for
> at least another century - and will end with a
> functional genocide (can't say who gets it).
>
> Only some extreme outside force will change
> this course of events. Maybe the flying-saucer
> people ? Looks like govts ARE now admitting
> they exist, but still claim no knowledge of their
> origins or intent. However this recent sudden
> shift in The Story suggests something's afoot,
> imminent ...........

Whether the State of Palestine is an independent country is definitely relevant.
Every nation is entitled to its own defense. But at present, the State of Palestine
is under military embargo while the US has continue to supply Israel with military
aid and weapon. Under this situation, the State of Palestine could only fight
back with stone and other smuggled in weaponry suitable only for terrorism/war-for- freedom.
A State of Palestine with a well equipped and trained army certainly does not
need to resort to terrorism/war for freedom tactics.

As for external invention, Putin had just declared Russia the indispensable nation
of the region. Conflicts within the region is a matter of Russian national security. Hence,
Russia is entitled to be involved.

"MSB" wrote in message news:u819ag1fc2bgda22hu04r0u4h5a25nqg7q@4ax.com...

On Tue, 18 May 2021 17:06:14 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
>>
>>"Palestine" NEVER WAS an independent nation
>
> Not ENTIRELY relevant. "Amish Country" is not any
> official state or nation - but we give them slack and
> do not persecute the residents.

So long as they refrain from car bombs and rocket attacks...

Russia is the only power who could drive and overwhelm Israel to toe to
them.

If not, tanks and missiles will be rushed to rain down at Israel.

"ltlee1" wrote in message
news:fc4b1ab1-52ec-47ff-828f-47eb696df09dn@googlegroups.com...

"During a meeting with the Russian Security Council, Putin said that the
proximity of the violence in Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip to Russia
"directly affects" his country's agenda on security.

"I would like to ask my colleagues to comment on the current situation in
the Middle East, I mean the escalated Palestinian-Israeli conflict. This is
happening in the immediate vicinity of our borders and directly affects our
security interests," Putin is quoted saying by the Turkish state-run news
agency Anadolu Agency.
....
A week of back-and-forth attacks has left more than 120 Palestinians
killed—including 31 children and 20 women, according to the Associated
Press. An additional 900 have been injured. Seven people have been killed in
Israel, including a 6-year-old boy and a soldier, the AP said.

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Larov pushed for an
international effort to diffuse the conflict, calling for a "quartet" to
meet on the situation.

"I think we came to a common conclusion that the most urgent task is calling
a meeting of the quartet of international mediators: Russia, the United
States, the U.N. and the European Union," Larov said at a joint briefing
with U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres, adding that Guterres should
act as the coordinator of the meeting.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Vershinin has called on Israel to
"immediately" stop all settlement activities in the Palestinian territories,
according to Russian state-owned news agency RIA Novosti.

Vershinin said Moscow wants the "status quo of Jerusalem's sacred sites" to
be respected as Palestinian protesters and Israeli police clash on a daily
basis in the city."

Russia had made demands.
But is Israel the final target Russian displeasure?
Netanyahu brushed off Biden. He nevertheless acknowledged Biden's demand.
Would Netanyahu acknowledge Russian demand?

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:56:08 PM UTC-4, kitaro. wrote:
> Russia is the only power who could drive and overwhelm Israel to toe to
> them.
>
> If not, tanks and missiles will be rushed to rain down at Israel.
>
>
>
>
>
> "ltlee1" wrote in message
> news:fc4b1ab1-52ec-47ff...@googlegroups.com...
> "During a meeting with the Russian Security Council, Putin said that the
> proximity of the violence in Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip to Russia
> "directly affects" his country's agenda on security.
>
> "I would like to ask my colleagues to comment on the current situation in
> the Middle East, I mean the escalated Palestinian-Israeli conflict. This is
> happening in the immediate vicinity of our borders and directly affects our
> security interests," Putin is quoted saying by the Turkish state-run news
> agency Anadolu Agency.
> ...
> A week of back-and-forth attacks has left more than 120 Palestinians
> killed—including 31 children and 20 women, according to the Associated
> Press. An additional 900 have been injured. Seven people have been killed in
> Israel, including a 6-year-old boy and a soldier, the AP said.
>
> On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Larov pushed for an
> international effort to diffuse the conflict, calling for a "quartet" to
> meet on the situation.
>
> "I think we came to a common conclusion that the most urgent task is calling
> a meeting of the quartet of international mediators: Russia, the United
> States, the U.N. and the European Union," Larov said at a joint briefing
> with U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres, adding that Guterres should
> act as the coordinator of the meeting.
>
> Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Vershinin has called on Israel to
> "immediately" stop all settlement activities in the Palestinian territories,
> according to Russian state-owned news agency RIA Novosti.
>
> Vershinin said Moscow wants the "status quo of Jerusalem's sacred sites" to
> be respected as Palestinian protesters and Israeli police clash on a daily
> basis in the city."

On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:11:01 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

>"MSB" wrote in message news:u819ag1fc2bgda22hu04r0u4h5a25nqg7q@4ax.com...
>
>On Tue, 18 May 2021 17:06:14 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Palestine" NEVER WAS an independent nation
>>
>> Not ENTIRELY relevant. "Amish Country" is not any
>> official state or nation - but we give them slack and
>> do not persecute the residents.
>
>So long as they refrain from car bombs and rocket attacks...

"Palestinians" had a different upbringing. They do not, will
not, give in to Jewish rule. This war will go on for centuries,
or until one or another side has suffered total genocide.

In short, "Israel" as we know it cannot persist IF some kind
of peace is to be obtained.

The thing is that the Jews cannot afford to offer any slack
because THEY will be the genocide victims. Therefore
Israel as we know it cannot cease to persist.

See where this leads ?

CENTURIES more of this shit - or at least until Israel
masters the technology required to identify and track
EVERY disaffected Palestinian and exterminate them
with extreme prejudice. Alas this is not a real improvement
in any moral/ethical sense, just conquerors destroying
any and alll resistance like in the bad old days - Israel
doing what the Romans did back in the day.

Oh well, the Chinese will take over everything soon. That
will alter the equation. Zion and Islam may become
de-facto allies. Unfortunately the Chinese are also on
the path to the tech needed to detect/deal with all
opponents and they are decidedly not constrained by
any moral/ethical issues.

Not much penetrates Bidens worm-eaten brain, but some
comments by the Irish PM actually managed to do so. He
said "America cannot lead" and "The world is getting to
look like China".

But it may be too little too late.